Board 8 > Save my Villain qualifying DISCUSSION *Spoilers

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Whenever Waluigi has an important role in one of his appearances(yes, this happens), he's typically either a cheating jerkass or the main villain of the game. Most of the time when he shows up though, he's just kind of... there. Dunno if that's enough to disqualify him.

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...when has Waluigi been the main villain? I might have missed that one.

It kind of seems wrong though to remove Wario only because he's had his own series and LOLWaluigi didn't. Waluigi isn't more evil than Wario IMO.

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I thought Waluigi was the main villain in whatever this is, but he's just the first boss >_>

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profDEADPOOL posted...
Except for Ultimate Magneto is completely different then 616 Magneto except for the name and powers. Ultimate Mags is a completely irredeemable evil dude who did his best to destroy planet earth. Nothing at all like his 616 version. Also Wheatly deff is a villain IMO.

Thank you. This was the answer I wanted rather than a simple "They aren't the same characters" because I still saw mutant powers as the same person. This was a reply that actually told me they were different.

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From: crazyisgood | #060
Hybrid(Marvel Universe) - described as an anti-Hero on Marvel.com

There might have been more then one Hybrid because lol no he isn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_(Marvel_Comics)
Is the one I am talking about. Not the kid mind but the other one. Ah yea I just looked. Not the symbiote Hybrid. James Mark Hybrid. I honestly didn't know there was a symbiote Hybrid >_>

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Since when were you all under the impression Aizen was a villain?

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profDEADPOOL posted...
From: crazyisgood | #060
Hybrid(Marvel Universe) - described as an anti-Hero on Marvel.com
There might have been more then one Hybrid because lol no he isn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_(Marvel_Comics)
Is the one I am talking about. Not the kid mind but the other one. Ah yea I just looked. Not the symbiote Hybrid. James Mark Hybrid. I honestly didn't know there was a symbiote Hybrid >_>


Thanks for clarifying on that he will be in than

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Oh, and I just noticed, Ulquiorra (Bleach) is duplicated in that list.

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Kazushi Niida...why did I nominate him again? I'm unsure if I should call him a villain, or a gigantic jerk. What he says/does/tries to do to Kakako is probably why I nominated him in the first place, since he has some pretty bad intentions.

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Golden Sun isn't half-bad, but it needs to cut the crap with the Yes/No questions, which make Zubats look like thylacines in comparison.

Yeah, I wouldn't call him a villain. Certainly not on the scale of Kiriyama, or even Mitsuko Souma.


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From: crazyisgood | #107
Thanks for clarifying on that he will be in than

no problem...Silly marvel stop giving people the same names.

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goddamn Ultimatum sucked

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Oh crap, forgot Gideon Graves (Scott Pilgrim)

Dude's an actual villain, unlike Kazushi, and he has a very catchy battle theme.

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Golden Sun isn't half-bad, but it needs to cut the crap with the Yes/No questions, which make Zubats look like thylacines in comparison.

Ytterbium_70 posted...
Kazushi Niida...why did I nominate him again? I'm unsure if I should call him a villain, or a gigantic jerk. What he says/does/tries to do to Kakako is probably why I nominated him in the first place, since he has some pretty bad intentions.

I never counted him as a villain, but I've only watched the movie so I thought it could of been different in the book or manga. But if it's about the same role as it did in the movie then he's just fodder who happens to be a horrible person >_>.

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malyg posted...
Ytterbium_70 posted...
Kazushi Niida...why did I nominate him again? I'm unsure if I should call him a villain, or a gigantic jerk. What he says/does/tries to do to Kakako is probably why I nominated him in the first place, since he has some pretty bad intentions.

I never counted him as a villain, but I've only watched the movie so I thought it could of been different in the book or manga. But if it's about the same role as it did in the movie then he's just fodder who happens to be a horrible person >_>.

-only watched the movie

The movie is very different from the novel/manga. I advise that you read the manga, which has been posted online: http://mangafox.me/manga/battle_royale/v01/c001/1.html

The novel is better, but the manga's online and it's pretty similar so...

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Golden Sun isn't half-bad, but it needs to cut the crap with the Yes/No questions, which make Zubats look like thylacines in comparison.

Ytterbium_70 posted...
malyg posted...
Ytterbium_70 posted...
Kazushi Niida...why did I nominate him again? I'm unsure if I should call him a villain, or a gigantic jerk. What he says/does/tries to do to Kakako is probably why I nominated him in the first place, since he has some pretty bad intentions.

I never counted him as a villain, but I've only watched the movie so I thought it could of been different in the book or manga. But if it's about the same role as it did in the movie then he's just fodder who happens to be a horrible person >_>.

-only watched the movie

The movie is very different from the novel/manga. I advise that you read the manga, which has been posted online: http://mangafox.me/manga/battle_royale/v01/c001/1.html

The novel is better, but the manga's online and it's pretty similar so...

I've had the book lying around for about 2 years now. I just read so friggin slow I haven't even started it yet.

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Psycho_Kenshin posted...
I mean, he's pretty much, well, a crime protagonist. Like, why isn't Tony Soprano on here, etc? Because they're characters who are selfish and kill for their own reasons, and most would say yes are evil, but they're not villains. We're supposed to somehow care about them and stuff despite their massive flaws.

I thought I had nominated Tony Soprano, I guess I forgot. And you can care and sympathize with a villain and still recognize them as villains.

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It kind of seems wrong though to remove Wario only because he's had his own series and LOLWaluigi didn't.

I don't see why. Regardless of what Wario's done he's had a starring role as an anti-hero in 8 games and...well I'm not too sure what to call him in the six and a half Warioware games, but probably not villain as most of his actions are perfectly legal. Part of the criteria is if a character spent the majority of their time as a villain -OR- were more memorable as one; for Wario to count, one has to try proving that those 14 games are either a minority or less memorable than other appearances.

Waluigi at his worst is certainly better than Wario's worst (who, judging by the Wiki, tried DESTROYING A PLANET), but he doesn't have a giant stack of games against him.

EDIT: Also a playable anti-hero in Super Mario 64 DS, though I wouldn't call him a star. Baby Wario appears in Yoshi's Island DS as an anti-hero, but I'm not sure I'd count him the same as regular Wario or it as a starring role. Number of important non-villain roles could jump up to 16 if you include them though.

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Save my Villain qualifying DISCUSSION *Spoilers http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/62661961

Waluigi stole some keys or something so he is a villain, it's not his problem Nintendo hates him and so does everyone else for who knows whatever reason...

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When has Wario not been a villain. I haven't played any of the Warioware games so maybe he acts differently, but in most of his other games, he just goes around trying to steal other people's stuff. Even in the games where he helps people, he only did it to get something out of it; he didn't care about there well being and wouldn't have done it otherwise. He was also a villain in SSBB.

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Touched: Steals two Game Boys and drops them in a sewer. When the Sewer King asks which systems were him, he takes them both as well as a brand-new DS. Develops DS games, becomes richer. Alright, maybe a villain here, but not much of one. Also not a very bright one as he probably could have just bought the systems anyway.

Smooth Moves: OM NOM NOM WARIO EATING CAKE. TINY CREATURE STEAL CAKE. WARIO CHASE, FIND MAGIC ARTIFACT, MAKE MORE GAMES BASED ON MAGIC ARTIFACT. ...Stole it again, but those creatures started it by stealing his cake and then leading him right to the artifact. I'd argue it as neutral. He was perfectly content to just do nothing until provoked.

Snapped: Opens his own theme park. Not an evil theme park or anything, just a theme park.

D.I.Y.: Half of his employees have quit his company for a rival one and he has to hire more people to replace them. Still not evil.

64 DS: Crashes the party, but so does Luigi. Helps defeat Bowser. Arguably a hero here as he's no worse than Luigi.

Yoshi's Island DS: Baby Wario. Like Baby Mario, only greedier and with a magnet to grab coins. Neutral at worst.

Master of Disguise: Watches a TV show about a master thief, becomes jealous, invents something that allows him to enter TV shows and steals the thief's magic wand. Goes on adventure. I...does stealing things from fictional characters (I mean fiction within fiction or..my head hurts) count as evil? I guess. It's weird as all hell though.

Brawl: Villain, but has a face-turn and joins the heroes in time for the final battle against the true enemy. I count it as a villain appearance, but he does help save the world--AGAIN--so others may disagree.

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Even in the games where he helps people, he only did it to get something out of it;

That would make him an anti-hero and that's what I'd count him as for almost all his playable appearances with plots.

Wario Land: Steals things from pirates. As he's directly opposed to a group of villains, that probably makes him an anti-hero; he's doing something good, but for the wrong reasons.

Virtual Boy: Tries to steal treasure from some strange creatures who cause him to be swallowed up by the Earth in retaliation and he has to fight his way out. I'd call him an anti-hero here too, though it is less obvious than the first game.

Wario Land 2: Is attacked by the pirate group who instigate the battle this time. As he's going around recovering his possessions which were stolen, one could argue him as a hero in that he doesn't really do anything particularly bad.

Wario Land 3: Trapped in another world, has to go on a quest to return home and winds up saving this new world. Might not have been his intention, but once you've saved a world it gets harder to call you a villain. Also don't think he really did anything bad here.

Wario Land 4: Loots a pyramid. Fairly neutral act as raiding ancient structures is not inherently. Coincidentally saves a princess; anti-hero again.

Shake It: Saves another world in hopes of getting infinite money in reward. He's now officially accomplished far more good than other heroes. Still totally a hero.

Legend of Stafy 3: (EDIT: Not playable and does not belong on list. Leaving it because it's awesome.) Cameo appearances as a parody of Wario Land 4. Helps the main character; perhaps not intentionally, but still, helping heroes against villains does NOT help the argument of him as a villain.

Wario World: One of his stolen treasures was alive and evil. Saved a bunch of Spritelings which were imprisoned by it, making them the third race of creatures that Wario has saved. That he's repeatedly saving the world for the wrong reasons doesn't change the fact that he's the hero of these stories; an anti-hero, but still, a hero.

Warioware: Makes a successful video game company. Tries to steal all the profits for himself, but reluctantly does pay his employees. So he's a legitimate business owner. Greedy, but legitimate.

Mega Party Games: More wacky hi-jinks as he continues to be an inexplicably successful businessman.

Twisted: Breaks his GBA and has Dr. Crygor make him a new one. Crygor makes a motion-controlled system and Wario gets rich by making motion-controlled games. ...There's a joke about the Wii in there somewhere.

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As for villain appearances, I might as well go over those.

Mario Land 2: Steals Mario's castle, turns everyone into zombies (he can do that? @_@), tries to kill Mario when he returns to claim his castle. Evil.

Mario & Wario: Drops objects onto the heads of Mario, Peach, and Yoshi which hypnotize them into walking to their deaths. One of the more abnormal methods of killing someone, but whatever.

Wario's Woods: Tries to take over the Woods with an army of creatures. Not sure why, but he tires to kill those in his path and has an evil army, so alright.

Wario Blast: Goes to Bomberman's planet, steals everything, and (according to the Wiki) tried to destroy the world on the way out. Notable that this is an edited version of a Bomberman only game and that this version never came out in Japan. Shouldn't be canon with any universe.

Dr.Mario 64: Tries to steal the Doctor's "Megavitamins" to sell. Selling drugs on the black market. Wow. That's....that's pretty dark for this universe. @_@

Dance Dance Revolution Mario Mix: Guarding one of the Music Keys. Wants to use their power to make a video game. That's not really evil. Antagonistic, but not villainous. I'm also not sure how he got the Key; one says Waluigi gave them away for people to guard, one says they scattered when Waluigi tried to obtain them. In the later, Wario seems innocent...never played the game though, so not sure.

Brawl: Noted.

Master of Disguise/Wario Land 1: Arguable, more so for MoD.

Even counting all the debatable ones as Villain appearances, it doesn't come out to being more than half the time. And I maintain that the starring roles in games named after him are more memorable than the others.

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Save my Villain qualifying DISCUSSION *Spoilers http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/62661961

It's not Wario's fault if Waluigi is party/sports game filler and no one likes him enough to start a series on him though. If a Waluigi series existed (God forbid) he'd be just Wario's answer to Luigi, and he's shown as such in the games in which both are in.

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If this was a "Save My Heroes" contest, I'd be arguing for Wario's inclusion and using the same arguments. I don't think anyone would argue Waluigi as a hero. I'm not arguing for or against Waluigi's inclusion in this, but Wario shouldn't have anything to do with that decision.

EDIT: Which sounds crazy, I know, and I withdraw whatever argument I was going for.

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From: crazyisgood | #052
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contest is a sham

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saveus_Maria posted...
From: crazyisgood | #052
MAc Arrowny has been deleted
contest is a sham

Sadly he is a real person.

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Challenged Characters

Akuma (Street Fighter)
Angelus (Buffy)
Artemis Fowl (Artemis Fowl)
Asch the Bloody (Tales of the Abyss)
Bad Girl (No More Heroes)
Ben Chang (Community)
The Black Knight (Fire Emblem 9-10)
Boba Fett (Star Wars)
Bulk (Power Rangers) - removing unless any objections are made.
Catsy (Sailor Moon)
Catwoman (Batman)
Coyote Starrk (Bleach)
David Xanatos (Gargoyles)
Death (Final Destination Series and others)
Dingo (Gargoyles)
Dr. Frank-N-Furter (Rocky Horror)
Dr. Lisa Cuddy (House) - removing unless any objections are made.
Fox (Gargoyles)
Gin Ichimaru (Bleach)
Golbez (FFIV)
Gollum (The Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit)
The Hamburglar (McDonalds)
Iago (Aladdin)
Jimmy “The Tulip” Tudeski (The Whole Nine Yards
Kasushi Niida (Battle Royale)
Laharl (Disgaea)
Light Yagami (Death Note)
Magic Emperor Ghaleon (Lunar: The Silver Star)
Mallorie 'Mal' Cobb (Inception)
Mao (Disgaea 3)
Marche Radiuju (Final Fantasy Tactics Advance)
Marik Ishtar (Yugioh)
Michael Corleone (The Godfather)
Mid Boss (Disgaea)
Milennia (Grandia 2)
Nightmare Moon(My Little Pony Friendship is Magic)
Perona (One Piece)
Q (Star Trek: The Next Generation)
Red Hood/Jason Todd (DC Comics)
Sagat (Street Fighter)
Seto Kaiba (Yu-Gi-Oh)
Skull (Power Rangers) - removing unless any objections are made.
Spike (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)
Storm Shadow (GI Joe)
Sue Sylvester (Glee)
Tim (Braid)
Tom Nook (Animal Crossing)
Tony Montana (Scarface)
Ty Lee (Avatar: The Last Airbender)
Tyler Durden (Fight Club)
Uchiha Itachi (Naruto)
Uncle Iroh (Avatar: The last airbender) - removing unless any objections are made.
Walugi (Mario)
Wario (Super Mario)
Wheatley (Portal 2)
William Birkin (Resident Evil)
Willie Stokes (Bad Santa)
Zero (Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors)

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Save my Villain qualifying DISCUSSION *Spoilers http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/62661961

Angel and Angelus are two different people. They refer to Angelus when talking about Angel losing his soul. They don't just say Angel.

Bulk and Skull are amusing side characters, but not really villains.

I'm an avid Tim and Eric fan, and listing them as villains makes absolutely no sense.

**Buffy Soilers**

Spike is certainly more evil than good. He loses his ability to hurt humans in season 4, but is by all accounts still evil until the end of season 6.

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From: crazyisgood | #129
Sadly he is a real person.

couldn't agree more

although to be fair he fits the qualifications since he spent well over half the time in there being evil!

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Eric Wareheim ([Adult Swim])/Tim Heidecker ([Adult Swim])?

Do they even qualify?

and I missed a character to discuss

Kevin Nash (wcw)

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crazyisgood posted...
Eric Wareheim ([Adult Swim])/Tim Heidecker ([Adult Swim])?

Do they even qualify?

and I missed a character to discuss

Kevin Nash (wcw)

They don't.

Kevin Nash is a bad guy, just one that a lot of people like. I don't know how that fits in with this.

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bump two more hours before Vote-offs begin.

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Save my Villain qualifying DISCUSSION *Spoilers http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/62661961

Leaning to taking Ty Lee out. She was basically a lackey to Azula who was the true villain. When it became obvious (well more obvious) Azula was a psycho she turned against her with Mai

Take Millenia out as well if anything she was somewhat neutral for the first quarter / first half of the game (get power ups or whatever) she was nice to Roan, want to have some fun, made the mother feel better kind of / whatever in that misty village etc) it was clearer she was not a villain by the melfice arc (saved / fell in love with MC as mentioned instead of just taking the power up). Told the main villain to **** off. Helped save the world / take out main villain, became a teacher at the end etc.

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