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neonreaper
05/07/12 11:15:00 AM
#51:


Menji76 posted...
the avengers didn't even have that big of a midnight release

you are becoming america's ayuyu

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05/07/12 11:37:00 AM
#52:


you are becoming america's ayuyu

I assume that Menji meant that The Avengers midnight showings were not on par with its eventual numbers, which they weren't. They weren't even on par with The Hunger Games. Unless you mean that he's stating the obvious, which I'm not sure it would be, especially to someone that doesn't follow film news.

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LordoftheMorons
05/07/12 11:51:00 AM
#53:


EmDubyaSee posted...
From: DeathChicken | #048
Batman would probably slap Hawkeye silly. And he'd turn Widow's interrogation around on its head to make her cry. The rest, yeah


Batman has NO CHANCE at Hawkeye. Yes, he would take apart Widow though.


Batman can win against any normal human easily. He's smarter and has fancier toys.

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KJH
05/07/12 12:36:00 PM
#54:


Nope, Hawkeye's smarter and has better toys.

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EmDubyaSee
05/07/12 12:40:00 PM
#55:


From: LordoftheMorons | #053
EmDubyaSee posted...
From: DeathChicken | #048
Batman would probably slap Hawkeye silly. And he'd turn Widow's interrogation around on its head to make her cry. The rest, yeah


Batman has NO CHANCE at Hawkeye. Yes, he would take apart Widow though.


Batman can win against any normal human easily. He's smarter and has fancier toys.




Except smarter is debateable (and almost ASSUREDLY wrong) and the other is just a bold faced lie. Hawkeye's toys are leagues more awesome than Batman's.

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LordoftheMorons
05/07/12 1:36:00 PM
#56:


Batman is one of the smartest humans in the DC universe. Is Hawkeye the same for Marvel? And don't pull any "Marvel universe has smarter people than the DC universe" bulls***.

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BakusaiTenketsu
05/07/12 1:42:00 PM
#57:


I am not a Batman fan by any means, but I can attest that he is definitely smarter than Hawkeye.

Hawkeye makes his own gadgets with the help of Tony Stark, and he practices daily to keep his accuracy and skills toned. His physique and mental state are both considered to be average for a man his age.

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SupremeZero
05/07/12 1:42:00 PM
#58:


From: LordoftheMorons | #053
Batman can win against any normal human easily. He's smarter and has fancier toys.


Dat Quiver objects.

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CycloRaptor
05/07/12 1:50:00 PM
#59:


hawkeye has never been portrayed as particularly smart. he is damn good at what he does, but he isn't gonna outsmart batman. outaim batman, perhaps even do pretty well in a straight up fistfight, but he isn't as smart as batman.

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Anagram
05/07/12 1:54:00 PM
#60:


Batman defeats any normal human, including Hawkeye, except for people like Lady Shiva or Karate Kid (the DC Comics Karate Kid, not the movie).

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EmDubyaSee
05/07/12 2:08:00 PM
#61:


From: Anagram | #060
Batman defeats any normal human, including Hawkeye, except for people like Lady Shiva or Karate Kid (the DC Comics Karate Kid, not the movie).




If they fought 100 times. Hawkeye would win all 100 of them.


Hawkeye is able to defeat (not kill, but stop) Hulk. Let's see Batman do that.

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HaRRicH
05/07/12 2:25:00 PM
#62:


Well done, Avengers.

For those ruling out Dark Knight Rises's chance to break this record, haven't most of Batman's movies set box-office records with each release? I'm not ruling another one out.

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BakusaiTenketsu
05/07/12 2:29:00 PM
#63:


The last one was aided by the untimely demise of Heath Ledger.

I stand by the fact that it will do well enough to beat The Hunger Games, but will fall short of The Avengers.

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Anagram
05/07/12 2:40:00 PM
#64:


EmDubyaSee posted...
From: Anagram | #060
Batman defeats any normal human, including Hawkeye, except for people like Lady Shiva or Karate Kid (the DC Comics Karate Kid, not the movie).


If they fought 100 times. Hawkeye would win all 100 of them.


Hawkeye is able to defeat (not kill, but stop) Hulk. Let's see Batman do that.


Batman has equally impressive showings. There's no better master of defeating people who by all rights should kill you in two seconds than Batman, save possibly Captain America.

And then you have the factor that if stealth is possible at all, Batman wins effortlessly.

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DeathChicken
05/07/12 2:40:00 PM
#65:


Batman once took down a helicopter by throwing a knife at it. Hawkeye would get spanked

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MarvelousGerbil
05/07/12 2:48:00 PM
#66:


From: EmDubyaSee | #061
If they fought 100 times. Hawkeye would win all 100 of them.


Hawkeye is able to defeat (not kill, but stop) Hulk. Let's see Batman do that.


Batman is able to defeat (not kill, but stop) Superman. Let's see Hawkeye do that.

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Cybat
05/07/12 2:56:00 PM
#67:


guys it's mwc, why are you bothering

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KokoroAkechi
05/07/12 3:23:00 PM
#68:


Save this for MPFC

>.>

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tereziWright
05/07/12 3:27:00 PM
#69:


Are you people really arguing about this with MWC? Why?

Green Arrow would knock Hawkeye's s*** around, BTW.

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MarvelousGerbil
05/07/12 3:29:00 PM
#70:


From: tereziWright | #069
Are you people really arguing about this with MWC? Why?

Green Arrow would knock Hawkeye's s*** around, BTW.


IMO, Speedy would knock Hawkeye's s*** around...

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tereziWright
05/07/12 3:31:00 PM
#71:


Which Speedy

Dead Cat Speedy or AIDS Speedy

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MarvelousGerbil
05/07/12 3:31:00 PM
#72:


Whichever one was in the Teen Titans cartoon.

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15_and_counting
05/07/12 3:32:00 PM
#73:


MarvelousGerbil posted...
From: EmDubyaSee | #061
If they fought 100 times. Hawkeye would win all 100 of them.


Hawkeye is able to defeat (not kill, but stop) Hulk. Let's see Batman do that.
Batman is able to defeat (not kill, but stop) Superman. Let's see Hawkeye do that.


A punch from a kryptonite ring against Supes is not even close to STRAIGHT UP beating Hulk. They are not on the same planet here.
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tereziWright
05/07/12 3:35:00 PM
#74:


When exactly did Hawkeye beat the Hulk?

Because it wasn't that long ago that The Hulk defeated the entire Marvel universe almost including Blackbolt.

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MarvelousGerbil
05/07/12 3:36:00 PM
#75:


From: 15_and_counting | #073
A punch from a kryptonite ring against Supes is not even close to STRAIGHT UP beating Hulk. They are not on the same planet here.


So? Why does the method of defeat matter? Batman's big thing is that he can plan how to beat someone. I'm sure if Hulk existed in the DC universe, Batman would invent some kind of gamma radiation suppressor. The point is. A can beat B, therefore C cannot beat A doesn't really make for a good argument.

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User728
05/07/12 3:39:00 PM
#76:


From: MarvelousGerbil | #066
Batman is able to defeat (not kill, but stop) Superman. Let's see Hawkeye do that.


Anyone can defeat (not kill, but stop) Superman when holding a piece of kryptonite. There's a reason why Superman constantly has trouble battling a bald headed, powerless moron. Hawkeye stopped a super strong monster who does NOT have that glaring weakness.

Hawkeye PROBABLY would beat Batman (his pinpoint accuracy alone should be able to finish Batman with 1 arrow). Heroes like Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, etc would do it without any issue.
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KommunistKoala
05/07/12 3:39:00 PM
#77:


User728 and MWC welp it was a nice topic while it lasted

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tereziWright
05/07/12 3:41:00 PM
#78:


Pretty uncanny how a very specific group of users are the ones making this argument.

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User728
05/07/12 3:41:00 PM
#79:


From: MarvelousGerbil | #075
So? Why does the method of defeat matter? Batman's big thing is that he can plan how to beat someone. I'm sure if Hulk existed in the DC universe, Batman would invent some kind of gamma radiation suppressor. The point is. A can beat B, therefore C cannot beat A doesn't really make for a good argument.


Oh god this argument again? My first post in this topic already addressed this stupidity. As I said earlier, if someone is going to make the argument "Batman will find a way to win" then I will rebut that with "Character X will find a way to win." See, I can make an empty, all-encompassing statement as well rather than using concrete arguments.
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EmDubyaSee
05/07/12 3:42:00 PM
#80:


From: MarvelousGerbil | #075
So? Why does the method of defeat matter? Batman's big thing is that he can plan how to beat someone. I'm sure if Hulk existed in the DC universe, Batman would invent some kind of gamma radiation suppressor. The point is. A can beat B, therefore C cannot beat A doesn't really make for a good argument.




Because last time I checked Hulk did not GIVE Hawkeye the means to defeat him.

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User728
05/07/12 3:42:00 PM
#81:


From: KommunistKoala | #077
User728 and MWC welp it was a nice topic while it lasted


Nice contribution. Join your middle school's debate team as soon as you can!
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crazyisgood
05/07/12 3:42:00 PM
#82:


how good will Dark Knight Rises do?

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crazyisgood
05/07/12 3:45:00 PM
#83:


ticket sales should be the measurement not cash made.

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User728
05/07/12 3:45:00 PM
#84:


From: crazyisgood | #082
how good will Dark Knight Rises do?


Hopefully not very good so that comics and all media to flow from it (cartoons/movies) will stop with that god awful "super"hero and we can focus on actual interesting characters in the mainstream.
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EmDubyaSee
05/07/12 3:45:00 PM
#85:


From: tereziWright | #078
Pretty uncanny how a very specific group of users are the ones making this argument.




Yeah, the correct ones.

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tereziWright
05/07/12 3:46:00 PM
#86:


welp

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MarvelousGerbil
05/07/12 3:46:00 PM
#87:


From: User728 | #079
Oh god this argument again? My first post in this topic already addressed this stupidity. As I said earlier, if someone is going to make the argument "Batman will find a way to win" then I will rebut that with "Character X will find a way to win." See, I can make an empty, all-encompassing statement as well rather than using concrete arguments.


Batman's whole deal is "finding a way". He'd lose to just about anyone in their first encounter with no planning. Taking planning away from Batman is like saying "Well, anyone could beat spiderman, just take away his webs and his spidey-sense and he doesn't stand a chance"


From: EmDubyaSee | #080
Because last time I checked Hulk did not GIVE Hawkeye the means to defeat him.


I don't know much at all about Hawkeye, and the resident "knows everything about comics" guy is questioning when Hawkeye beat Hulk, but sure, attack me, don't answer the question.

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Tornadoman78
05/07/12 3:47:00 PM
#88:


i went to go see that movie yesterday was great movie

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User728
05/07/12 3:47:00 PM
#89:


From: tereziWright | #078
Pretty uncanny how a very specific group of users are the ones making this argument.


Equally uncanny how no one is able to provide a reason why Batman would win other than "eh...he'll figure it out". Try attacking our arguments, not us personally.
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User728
05/07/12 3:50:00 PM
#90:


From: MarvelousGerbil | #087
[quoted text]

Batman's whole deal is "finding a way". He'd lose to just about anyone in their first encounter with no planning. Taking planning away from Batman is like saying "Well, anyone could beat spiderman, just take away his webs and his spidey-sense and he doesn't stand a chance"


Batman knows martial arts and has a utility belt. Taking away Batman's fighting ability and utility belt would be the equivalent of taking away Spiderman's webs and his spidey-sense. No one in the world could ever have a "Batman vs. _____" character debate if we went with the "he'll figure out how to win" theory because then the whole debate is just loaded from the start.

Take this ridiculous statement, for example: "Batman could defeat The Living Tribunal and The Spectre because he'll find a way to win." It's a loaded statement because I'm shutting the door on any room for debate. You have to remove that nonsense when debating characters.
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MarvelousGerbil
05/07/12 3:52:00 PM
#91:


From: User728 | #089
Equally uncanny how no one is able to provide a reason why Batman would win other than "eh...he'll figure it out". Try attacking our arguments, not us personally.


That's his whole thing. Let's say Batman was an entirely new character and nobody knew anything about him. He could fight Scarecrow and nobody would have a good argument for how he would beat him. You would have to wait and see. I said if Batman was fighting Hulk, he'd probably invent some kind of gamma radiation suppressor (or whatever the Hulk is powered by). It's the best I've got without actually writing a fanfic about it and then everyone would say "lol fanfiction doesn't count" anyway.

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EmDubyaSee
05/07/12 3:52:00 PM
#92:


From: MarvelousGerbil | #087
[quoted text]

Batman's whole deal is "finding a way". He'd lose to just about anyone in their first encounter with no planning. Taking planning away from Batman is like saying "Well, anyone could beat spiderman, just take away his webs and his spidey-sense and he doesn't stand a chance"


[quoted text]

I don't know much at all about Hawkeye, and the resident "knows everything about comics" guy is questioning when Hawkeye beat Hulk, but sure, attack me, don't answer the question.




I'm not attacking you. I'm giving you the legit reason. Batman only "beat" Superman because Superman gave him (as a friend) the ability to beat him should the need ever arise. That doesn't happen, Bats doesn't win if he could plan for 1,000 years. Hawkeye however straight up was able to defeat Hulk.

Also, I'm glad you brought up Spiderman and "spider sense". I don't think Batman could ever beat Spiderman, because you really can't plan for the Spider Sense, even if you know it is there.

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KingButz
05/07/12 3:53:00 PM
#93:


They are arguing that Batman would outsmart Hawkeye because being very smart is one of his attributes.

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EmDubyaSee
05/07/12 3:54:00 PM
#94:


From: KingButz | #093
They are arguing that Batman would outsmart Hawkeye because being very smart is one of his attributes.




And killing you before you can think is one of Hawkeyes

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tereziWright
05/07/12 3:56:00 PM
#95:


Still trying to find out when Hawkeye beat the Hulk.

Texted my Marvel buff friend since I'm a big DC guy, and he says it never happened.

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User728
05/07/12 3:56:00 PM
#96:


From: MarvelousGerbil | #091
That's his whole thing. Let's say Batman was an entirely new character and nobody knew anything about him. He could fight Scarecrow and nobody would have a good argument for how he would beat him. You would have to wait and see. I said if Batman was fighting Hulk, he'd probably invent some kind of gamma radiation suppressor (or whatever the Hulk is powered by). It's the best I've got without actually writing a fanfic about it and then everyone would say "lol fanfiction doesn't count" anyway.


So then I can say that Batman could beat Living Tribunal, Spectre, Galactus, Thanos, Darkseid, and any other god-like comic book character, all at the same time, because he'll figure out a way to do it. I can't be proven wrong, no matter how obviously incorrect I am about it. The 2 gods can literally think him out of existence, but he'll find a way to remain in existence and win. See how loaded that answer is?
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MarvelousGerbil
05/07/12 3:57:00 PM
#97:


From: EmDubyaSee | #092
I'm not attacking you. I'm giving you the legit reason. Batman only "beat" Superman because Superman gave him (as a friend) the ability to beat him should the need ever arise. That doesn't happen, Bats doesn't win if he could plan for 1,000 years. Hawkeye however straight up was able to defeat Hulk.


Batman could find Kryptonite, steal it from Lex Luthor, etc. Also, still not telling us WHEN Hawkeye beat Hulk. Dodging a question makes anyone seem like they don't know what they're talking about.

From: EmDubyaSee | #092
Also, I'm glad you brought up Spiderman and "spider sense". I don't think Batman could ever beat Spiderman, because you really can't plan for the Spider Sense, even if you know it is there.


Automated defense system that attacks from 360 degrees.

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MarvelousGerbil
05/07/12 3:58:00 PM
#98:


From: User728 | #097
So then I can say that Batman could beat Living Tribunal, Spectre, Galactus, Thanos, Darkseid, and any other god-like comic book character, all at the same time, because he'll figure out a way to do it. I can't be proven wrong, no matter how obviously incorrect I am about it. The 2 gods can literally think him out of existence, but he'll find a way to remain in existence and win. See how loaded that answer is?


I gave an obvious answer for how he could beat Hulk. You're saying the logic is flawed because he can't kill God. And then applying that logic to say he can't beat a human marksmen.

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User728
05/07/12 4:01:00 PM
#99:


From: MarvelousGerbil | #098
I gave an obvious answer for how he could beat Hulk. You're saying the logic is flawed because he can't kill God. And then applying that logic to say he can't beat a human marksmen.


I'm using extreme examples to demonstrate my point. Now that we agree the God vs. Batman thing is ridiculous if we claim Batman would figure out a way to win, we can bring that down to some of the earthbound characters (not the video game). I can come up with a counter to your Batman vs Hulk thing. Hulk will smash the gamma radiation suppressor before Batman can complete it. I guess Batman couldn't "figure it out" after all.
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Forceful_Dragon
05/07/12 4:03:00 PM
#100:


Hawkeye "defeats" hulk:




Is it this?

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