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Mershaaay 05/09/12 12:26:00 PM #1:	http://news.yahoo.com/obama-announces-his-support-for-same-sex-marriage.html 1. What a coward. Does anyone really believe he was against gay marriage in 08? 2. Goodbye Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado, Iowa, Ohio, and Florida. He basically just convinced all of the Bush Evangelicals to get out and vote for a Mormon. Congrats. -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness. The Resurrection <cite>Mershaaay posted [p:1126759] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> http://news.yahoo.com/obama-announces-his-support-for-same-sex-marriage.html1. What a coward. Does anyone really believe he was against gay marriage in 08?2. Goodbye Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado, Iowa, Ohio, and Florida. He basically just convinced all of the Bush Evangelicals to get out and vote for a Mormon. Congrats. -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness.The Resurrection </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CherryCokes 05/09/12 12:27:00 PM #2:	why would he lose Iowa -- "30" <cite>CherryCokes posted [p:1126760] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> why would he lose Iowa -- "30" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yoshifan823 05/09/12 12:28:00 PM #3:	Anyone for whom gay marriage is enough of a factor on their vote that this would change their mind voted for McCain in '08 anyways. <cite>yoshifan823 posted [p:1126761] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Anyone for whom gay marriage is enough of a factor on their vote that this would change their mind voted for McCain in '08 anyways. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/09/12 12:29:00 PM #4:	Lots of evangelicals in Iowa. And yeah, Democrats are sorely mistaken if the believe the polls that supposedly show 50% of Americans support gay marriage. If that were really the case, the record on state ballots wouldn't be 31 to 0 or whatever it is. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:1126762] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Lots of evangelicals in Iowa. And yeah, Democrats are sorely mistaken if the believe the polls that supposedly show 50% of Americans support gay marriage. If that were really the case, the record on state ballots wouldn't be 31 to 0 or whatever it is. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yoshifan823 05/09/12 12:29:00 PM #5:	Iowa voted for Gore in '00, too. Iowa's voted Dem in every election since '88 except 2004, and that was because John Kerry instilled as much energy in the democratic party as a wet mop. <cite>yoshifan823 posted [p:1126763] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Iowa voted for Gore in '00, too. Iowa's voted Dem in every election since '88 except 2004, and that was because John Kerry instilled as much energy in the democratic party as a wet mop. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CherryCokes 05/09/12 12:30:00 PM #6:	From: red sox 777 \| #004 Lots of evangelicals in Iowa. And yeah, Democrats are sorely mistaken if the believe the polls that supposedly show 50% of Americans support gay marriage. If that were really the case, the record on state ballots wouldn't be 31 to 0 or whatever it is. more than half of these voted 6 or more years ago -- "30" <cite>CherryCokes posted [p:1126764] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> From: red sox 777 \| #004Lots of evangelicals in Iowa. And yeah, Democrats are sorely mistaken if the believe the polls that supposedly show 50% of Americans support gay marriage. If that were really the case, the record on state ballots wouldn't be 31 to 0 or whatever it is.more than half of these voted 6 or more years ago -- "30" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tereziWright 05/09/12 12:31:00 PM #7:	I doubt the number of people who were gonna vote Obama and will change their minds after this even breaks triple digits. -- http://img.imgcake.com/1327084525516jpgra.jpg http://img.imgcake.com/1326165368699gifme.gif <cite>tereziWright posted [p:1126765] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> I doubt the number of people who were gonna vote Obama and will change their minds after this even breaks triple digits. -- http://img.imgcake.com/1327084525516jpgra.jpghttp://img.imgcake.com/1326165368699gifme.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingButz 05/09/12 12:31:00 PM #8:	Bradley Effect -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/bokbokbokpngur.png Mr Caffeine? He was awesome. - Ayuyu <cite>KingButz posted [p:1126766] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Bradley Effect -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/bokbokbokpngur.pngMr Caffeine? He was awesome. - Ayuyu </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 05/09/12 12:34:00 PM #9:	Obama needed something to convince Liberals to come out and vote for him. Republicans are angry and are always angry, so there's no question that they'll be out to vote Romney in droves. But Liberals are disenchanted and need a helluva push to come out again like they did in 2008. Smart move, I'd say. -- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:1126767] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Obama needed something to convince Liberals to come out and vote for him. Republicans are angry and are always angry, so there's no question that they'll be out to vote Romney in droves. But Liberals are disenchanted and need a helluva push to come out again like they did in 2008.Smart move, I'd say. -- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingButz 05/09/12 12:34:00 PM #10:	It's not that people will change their minds that will change the outcome. It's that the GOP is going to rally a TON of conservatives to hit the polls for this. There will be churches all over rallying their congregations to vote against Obama. This is seriously going to turn out the religious conservatives in droves. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/bokbokbokpngur.png Mr Caffeine? He was awesome. - Ayuyu <cite>KingButz posted [p:1126768] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> It's not that people will change their minds that will change the outcome. It's that the GOP is going to rally a TON of conservatives to hit the polls for this. There will be churches all over rallying their congregations to vote against Obama. This is seriously going to turn out the religious conservatives in droves. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/bokbokbokpngur.pngMr Caffeine? He was awesome. - Ayuyu </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mershaaay 05/09/12 12:34:00 PM #11:	*yoshifan823 posted...* Anyone for whom gay marriage is enough of a factor on their vote that this would change their mind voted for McCain in '08 anyways. Didn't vote for Obama =/= voted for McCain The reason why McCain couldn't hold onto the Bush states was because a very large percentage of Bush's evangelical base didn't bother to vote in '08 -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness. The Resurrection <cite>Mershaaay posted [p:1126769] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> yoshifan823 posted...Anyone for whom gay marriage is enough of a factor on their vote that this would change their mind voted for McCain in '08 anyways.Didn't vote for Obama =/= voted for McCainThe reason why McCain couldn't hold onto the Bush states was because a very large percentage of Bush's evangelical base didn't bother to vote in '08 -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness.The Resurrection </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yoshifan823 05/09/12 12:35:00 PM #12:	What people don't seem to get is that convincing people to vote in elections is about 35% swinging independents, and 65% getting the people who will only vote Dem/Rep to actually show up. The amount of people who are actually up in the air about whether to choose Obama or Romney won't care about this, because anyone who really cares about gay marriage as an issue, enough to make it a voting point, has already picked a side. The only possible way this would hurt Obama is if there are people out there who this convinces to vote in '12 that didn't vote in '08, and that number significantly outnumbers the people who this convinces to vote for Obama in '12 that didn't vote in '08. It's simple algebra. <cite>yoshifan823 posted [p:1126770] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> What people don't seem to get is that convincing people to vote in elections is about 35% swinging independents, and 65% getting the people who will only vote Dem/Rep to actually show up. The amount of people who are actually up in the air about whether to choose Obama or Romney won't care about this, because anyone who really cares about gay marriage as an issue, enough to make it a voting point, has already picked a side. The only possible way this would hurt Obama is if there are people out there who this convinces to vote in '12 that didn't vote in '08, and that number significantly outnumbers the people who this convinces to vote for Obama in '12 that didn't vote in '08.It's simple algebra. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mershaaay 05/09/12 12:35:00 PM #13:	*KingButz posted...* It's not that people will change their minds that will change the outcome. It's that the GOP is going to rally a TON of conservatives to hit the polls for this. There will be churches all over rallying their congregations to vote against Obama. This is seriously going to turn out the religious conservatives in droves. DING DING F*ING DING THANK YOU OBAMA FOR THIS GIFT I'm sure his followers are going to cite this day as him martyring himself for gay rights, despite being against it 4 years ago to beat Hillary in the primaries. -- SephirothG*, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness. The Resurrection <cite>Mershaaay posted [p:1126771] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> KingButz posted...It's not that people will change their minds that will change the outcome. It's that the GOP is going to rally a TON of conservatives to hit the polls for this. There will be churches all over rallying their congregations to vote against Obama. This is seriously going to turn out the religious conservatives in droves.DING DING F**ING DINGTHANK YOU OBAMA FOR THIS GIFTI'm sure his followers are going to cite this day as him martyring himself for gay rights, despite being against it 4 years ago to beat Hillary in the primaries. -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness.The Resurrection </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naomi_Diamond 05/09/12 12:36:00 PM #14:	Nothing wrong with gay marriage though, so. -- ziggie ziggie wop wop <cite>Naomi_Diamond posted [p:1126772] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Nothing wrong with gay marriage though, so. -- ziggie ziggie wop wop </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mershaaay 05/09/12 12:37:00 PM #16:	*Robazoid posted...* Obama needed something to convince Liberals to come out and vote for him. Republicans are angry and are always angry, so there's no question that they'll be out to vote Romney in droves. But Liberals are disenchanted and need a helluva push to come out again like they did in 2008. Smart move, I'd say. XFD like all those liberals who came out to vote against Prop 8? Gay marriage drives conservatives who otherwise wouldn't bother to vote -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness. The Resurrection <cite>Mershaaay posted [p:1126774] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Robazoid posted...Obama needed something to convince Liberals to come out and vote for him. Republicans are angry and are always angry, so there's no question that they'll be out to vote Romney in droves. But Liberals are disenchanted and need a helluva push to come out again like they did in 2008.Smart move, I'd say.XFD like all those liberals who came out to vote against Prop 8?Gay marriage drives conservatives who otherwise wouldn't bother to vote -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness.The Resurrection </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/09/12 12:37:00 PM #17:	There are quite a few people who don't vote along party lines so closely. They may have voted for Obama in 2008 for economic reasons, or to stop the war in Iraq. But same sex marriage could be a nonnegotiable issue to them. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:1126775] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> There are quite a few people who don't vote along party lines so closely. They may have voted for Obama in 2008 for economic reasons, or to stop the war in Iraq. But same sex marriage could be a nonnegotiable issue to them. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 05/09/12 12:39:00 PM #18:	I get it Seph, you're against gay marriage. Your hate doesn't somehow distort reality and make this a bad move. -- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:1126776] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> I get it Seph, you're against gay marriage. Your hate doesn't somehow distort reality and make this a bad move. -- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mershaaay 05/09/12 12:39:00 PM #19:	Also, keep in mind how this s* is going to fly at the DNC in North Carolina-- you know, the place where a gay marriage ban just DOUBLED the opposition -- SephirothG*, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness. The Resurrection <cite>Mershaaay posted [p:1126777] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Also, keep in mind how this s** is going to fly at the DNC in North Carolina-- you know, the place where a gay marriage ban just DOUBLED the opposition -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness.The Resurrection </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 05/09/12 12:39:00 PM #20:	Gay marriage drives conservatives who otherwise wouldn't bother to vote "Economy is in the crapper? Man, I don't give a s*. But I'll be damned if I'm gonna let those fs be happy!" -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:1126778] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Gay marriage drives conservatives who otherwise wouldn't bother to vote"Economy is in the crapper? Man, I don't give a s*. But I'll be damned if I'm gonna let those fs be happy!" -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mershaaay 05/09/12 12:41:00 PM #21:	*Robazoid posted...* I get it Seph, you're against gay marriage. Your hate doesn't somehow distort reality and make this a bad move. Listen to people who are actually astute about political opinion--like me, who booked it that Prop 8 would pass when everyone else here was too delusional to realize it. This issue is going to effectively destroy Obama in NC and VA, which only leaves a few more states Romney needs to pull off the upset. -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness. The Resurrection <cite>Mershaaay posted [p:1126779] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Robazoid posted...I get it Seph, you're against gay marriage. Your hate doesn't somehow distort reality and make this a bad move.Listen to people who are actually astute about political opinion--like me, who booked it that Prop 8 would pass when everyone else here was too delusional to realize it.This issue is going to effectively destroy Obama in NC and VA, which only leaves a few more states Romney needs to pull off the upset. -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness.The Resurrection </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/09/12 12:41:00 PM #22:	Actually, yes, that's exactly people's response. When things are bad, they pick on people weaker than themselves. That's why you see all the calls from lower middle class (not really middle class anymore) people to treat the poor badly. Because they can't win a fight with the rich, so they'll pick a fight with the poor instead. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:1126780] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Actually, yes, that's exactly people's response. When things are bad, they pick on people weaker than themselves. That's why you see all the calls from lower middle class (not really middle class anymore) people to treat the poor badly. Because they can't win a fight with the rich, so they'll pick a fight with the poor instead. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Emporer_Kazbar 05/09/12 12:42:00 PM #23:	From: TheRock1525 \| #020 Gay marriage drives conservatives who otherwise wouldn't bother to vote "Economy is in the crapper? Man, I don't give a s*. But I'll be damned if I'm gonna let those fs be happy!" Actually, yeah, you'd be surprised how true that post is. -- Will not remove this line of my signature until the Seahawks, Jazz or Rockies win a title (Started 5-16-09) SuperNiceDog: Guru winner <cite>Emporer_Kazbar posted [p:1126781] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #020Gay marriage drives conservatives who otherwise wouldn't bother to vote"Economy is in the crapper? Man, I don't give a s*. But I'll be damned if I'm gonna let those fs be happy!"Actually, yeah, you'd be surprised how true that post is. -- Will not remove this line of my signature until the Seahawks, Jazz or Rockies win a title (Started 5-16-09)SuperNiceDog: Guru winner </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Theon_Greyjoy 05/09/12 12:42:00 PM #24:	Smart move, I'd say. That's exactly what it is--a political move. Xfd at people who were actually inspired by this guy and thought he was more than a typical power hungry politician. -- EndOfDiscOne http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/350/normallost6x010065.jpg <cite>Theon_Greyjoy posted [p:1126782] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Smart move, I'd say.That's exactly what it is--a political move. Xfd at people who were actually inspired by this guy and thought he was more than a typical power hungry politician. -- EndOfDiscOnehttp://img43.imageshack.us/img43/350/normallost6x010065.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GaryOak151 05/09/12 12:43:00 PM #25:	I think you guys are underestimating how much money Obama will raise off htis I just donated to him, I know i'm not the only one. -- Warning_Crazy Winner of Board 8 Big Brother! "better than ngamer"- nick <cite>GaryOak151 posted [p:1126783] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> I think you guys are underestimating how much money Obama will raise off htisI just donated to him, I know i'm not the only one. -- Warning_Crazy Winner of Board 8 Big Brother!"better than ngamer"- nick </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 05/09/12 12:43:00 PM #26:	Romney was always going to win Virginia and NC. This isn't 2008 anymore. Next you'll say 'xfd dumb move obama, being a democrat. now you'll never win Texas' -- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:1126784] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Romney was always going to win Virginia and NC. This isn't 2008 anymore.Next you'll say 'xfd dumb move obama, being a democrat. now you'll never win Texas' -- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 05/09/12 12:43:00 PM #27:	*Emporer_Kazbar posted...* From: TheRock1525 \| #020 Gay marriage drives conservatives who otherwise wouldn't bother to vote "Economy is in the crapper? Man, I don't give a s*. But I'll be damned if I'm gonna let those fs be happy!" Actually, yeah, you'd be surprised how true that post is. Yeah, I get that it's true. I'm making fun of how stupid it is. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:1126785] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Emporer_Kazbar posted...From: TheRock1525 \| #020Gay marriage drives conservatives who otherwise wouldn't bother to vote"Economy is in the crapper? Man, I don't give a s*. But I'll be damned if I'm gonna let those fs be happy!"Actually, yeah, you'd be surprised how true that post is.Yeah, I get that it's true. I'm making fun of how stupid it is. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robazoid 05/09/12 12:45:00 PM #28:	*Theon_Greyjoy posted...* Smart move, I'd say. That's exactly what it is--a political move. Xfd at people who were actually inspired by this guy and thought he was more than a typical power hungry politician. I don't see why you singled me out when I haven't argued the morality of this at all. I'm not even American, I pity you from a country to the north where gay people have been able to marry for quite some time now, so I'm not invested in this at all. I just think it's a good political move, which... you seem to agree with me on, at least in that it's a political move. -- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D <cite>Robazoid posted [p:1126786] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Theon_Greyjoy posted...Smart move, I'd say.That's exactly what it is--a political move. Xfd at people who were actually inspired by this guy and thought he was more than a typical power hungry politician.I don't see why you singled me out when I haven't argued the morality of this at all. I'm not even American, I pity you from a country to the north where gay people have been able to marry for quite some time now, so I'm not invested in this at all. I just think it's a good political move, which... you seem to agree with me on, at least in that it's a political move. -- R.O.B.A.Z.O.I.D </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mershaaay 05/09/12 12:45:00 PM #29:	*GaryOak151 posted...* I think you guys are underestimating how much money Obama will raise off htis I just donated to him, I know i'm not the only one. WARNING CRAZY POST Can someone really be this ignorant? Do you think the money he is raising from gay rights groups will outweigh the money Romney will receive from the Religious Right that otherwise would have shunned him for being a Mormon? -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness. The Resurrection <cite>Mershaaay posted [p:1126787] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> GaryOak151 posted...I think you guys are underestimating how much money Obama will raise off htisI just donated to him, I know i'm not the only one.WARNING CRAZY POSTCan someone really be this ignorant? Do you think the money he is raising from gay rights groups will outweigh the money Romney will receive from the Religious Right that otherwise would have shunned him for being a Mormon? -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness.The Resurrection </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mershaaay 05/09/12 12:46:00 PM #30:	*Robazoid posted...* Romney was always going to win Virginia and NC. This isn't 2008 anymore. Next you'll say 'xfd dumb move obama, being a democrat. now you'll never win Texas' NC was probably a gimme, but VA was always in play. The bigger deal is the GIGANTIC evangelical population in Ohio (the one that carried Santorum to victory there), and to a slightly lesser extent, Florida (but Marco Rubio will help him take that one). -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness. The Resurrection <cite>Mershaaay posted [p:1126788] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Robazoid posted...Romney was always going to win Virginia and NC. This isn't 2008 anymore.Next you'll say 'xfd dumb move obama, being a democrat. now you'll never win Texas'NC was probably a gimme, but VA was always in play. The bigger deal is the GIGANTIC evangelical population in Ohio (the one that carried Santorum to victory there), and to a slightly lesser extent, Florida (but Marco Rubio will help him take that one). -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness.The Resurrection </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Theon_Greyjoy 05/09/12 12:47:00 PM #31:	I wasn't trying to single you out Robazoid, I just found the first comment that related to my initial thoughts. -- EndOfDiscOne http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/350/normallost6x010065.jpg <cite>Theon_Greyjoy posted [p:1126789] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> I wasn't trying to single you out Robazoid, I just found the first comment that related to my initial thoughts. -- EndOfDiscOnehttp://img43.imageshack.us/img43/350/normallost6x010065.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingButz 05/09/12 12:48:00 PM #32:	It is most certainly a political move. Obama was kind of in a no-win situation. If he reaffirms his previous position, he will anger a lot of his liberal base. If he says nothing, it's the same as saying he still opposes gay marriage, and his base will become even more apathetic about his reelection. From: GaryOak151 \| #025 I think you guys are underestimating how much money Obama will raise off htis Most of his top supporters were already gay or gay rights activists. This won't change that much $wise. On the other hand, conservatives will be emptying their pockets all over Romney to make sure their opposition to gay marriage is known. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/bokbokbokpngur.png Mr Caffeine? He was awesome. - Ayuyu <cite>KingButz posted [p:1126790] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> It is most certainly a political move. Obama was kind of in a no-win situation.If he reaffirms his previous position, he will anger a lot of his liberal base.If he says nothing, it's the same as saying he still opposes gay marriage, and his base will become even more apathetic about his reelection.From: GaryOak151 \| #025I think you guys are underestimating how much money Obama will raise off htisMost of his top supporters were already gay or gay rights activists. This won't change that much $wise.On the other hand, conservatives will be emptying their pockets all over Romney to make sure their opposition to gay marriage is known. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/bokbokbokpngur.pngMr Caffeine? He was awesome. - Ayuyu </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/09/12 12:55:00 PM #33:	Obama's best shot is probably to double down on Ohio. But even if he wins Ohio, Romney can still win the election by taking 2 out of 3 of: Iowa, New Hampshire, and New Mexico. Obama's probably lost in Florida already because the demographic shift that's taken place there since the 2000 election. It's not a state of retired New Yorkers anymore. Similarly, don't think Nevada or Colorado will be in play- the dynamics of 2008 are gone, and even better, there are significant Mormon populations in both states. Meanwhile, even if those plans don't work, Romney has other potential leads in Oregon, Minnesota/Wisconsin, and maybe even Massachusetts/Maine. MA did elect him as governor, after all. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:1126791] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Obama's best shot is probably to double down on Ohio. But even if he wins Ohio, Romney can still win the election by taking 2 out of 3 of: Iowa, New Hampshire, and New Mexico. Obama's probably lost in Florida already because the demographic shift that's taken place there since the 2000 election. It's not a state of retired New Yorkers anymore. Similarly, don't think Nevada or Colorado will be in play- the dynamics of 2008 are gone, and even better, there are significant Mormon populations in both states.Meanwhile, even if those plans don't work, Romney has other potential leads in Oregon, Minnesota/Wisconsin, and maybe even Massachusetts/Maine. MA did elect him as governor, after all. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red sox 777 05/09/12 1:02:00 PM #35:	One important thing is demographic change. If Romney takes the same states Bush took in 2000, he'd get 285 electoral votes now compared to Bush's 271. Romney is getting 2-3 small states free compared to 2000, basically. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:1126793] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> One important thing is demographic change. If Romney takes the same states Bush took in 2000, he'd get 285 electoral votes now compared to Bush's 271. Romney is getting 2-3 small states free compared to 2000, basically. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 05/09/12 1:04:00 PM #36:	From: UltimaterializerX \| #034 The last time North Carolina changed their constitution was to ban interracial marriage, which to this day is still banned by their constitution. Nothing that comes out of that state is remotely relevant. I was gonna say Ric Flair but then I remembered that he wasn't born there. Carry on. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/33_Moscow_04112012jg_02128.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:1126794] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> From: UltimaterializerX \| #034The last time North Carolina changed their constitution was to ban interracial marriage, which to this day is still banned by their constitution. Nothing that comes out of that state is remotely relevant.I was gonna say Ric Flair but then I remembered that he wasn't born there. Carry on. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/33_Moscow_04112012jg_02128.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yoshifan823 05/09/12 1:04:00 PM #37:	Iowa's not gonna go Romney. <cite>yoshifan823 posted [p:1126795] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Iowa's not gonna go Romney. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 05/09/12 1:05:00 PM #38:	Is Jeff Hardy from there? -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. <cite>voltch posted [p:1126796] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Is Jeff Hardy from there? -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlphaRayAllen 05/09/12 1:06:00 PM #39:	From: yoshifan823 \| #003 Anyone for whom gay marriage is enough of a factor on their vote that this would change their mind voted for McCain in '08 anyways. Isn't this really all that needs to be said? -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>AlphaRayAllen posted [p:1126797] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> From: yoshifan823 \| #003Anyone for whom gay marriage is enough of a factor on their vote that this would change their mind voted for McCain in '08 anyways.Isn't this really all that needs to be said? -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wind 05/09/12 1:06:00 PM #40:	people literally more outraged at other people butt **ing in the privacy of their own homes than america turning into a police state, the abhorrent economy, and the fact that half of our food supply is poisoned what the is wrong with this country like seriously, it's embarrassing to live here at this point <cite>Liquid Wind posted [p:1126798] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> people literally more outraged at other people butt ing in the privacy of their own homes than america turning into a police state, the abhorrent economy, and the fact that half of our food supply is poisonedwhat the ** is wrong with this countrylike seriously, it's embarrassing to live here at this point </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/09/12 1:06:00 PM #41:	Why not? Iowa was razor thin in 2000 and 2004, and Obama only got 54% in 2008. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:1126799] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Why not? Iowa was razor thin in 2000 and 2004, and Obama only got 54% in 2008. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 05/09/12 1:06:00 PM #42:	From: voltch \| #038 Is Jeff Hardy from there? Yes, although I'm not sure he counts as "relevant." Well, I take that back. The police certainly find his activities very relevant. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/33_Moscow_04112012jg_02128.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:1126800] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> From: voltch \| #038Is Jeff Hardy from there?Yes, although I'm not sure he counts as "relevant."Well, I take that back. The police certainly find his activities very relevant. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2012/04/33_Moscow_04112012jg_02128.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 05/09/12 1:09:00 PM #43:	*AlphaRayAllen posted...* From: yoshifan823 \| #003 Anyone for whom gay marriage is enough of a factor on their vote that this would change their mind voted for McCain in '08 anyways. Isn't this really all that needs to be said? Well, the problem is that gay marriage wasn't a huge issue during the 2008 campaign. If it becomes one, then it's possible that they can rally even more evangelical voters that otherwise stayed home in 2008. It's not so much "Obama losing votes to Romney" as it is "Romney getting more evangelical voters to come out." Assuming that's the way it goes. It could also energize Obama's apathetic liberal voters, too. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:1126801] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> AlphaRayAllen posted...From: yoshifan823 \| #003Anyone for whom gay marriage is enough of a factor on their vote that this would change their mind voted for McCain in '08 anyways.Isn't this really all that needs to be said?Well, the problem is that gay marriage wasn't a huge issue during the 2008 campaign. If it becomes one, then it's possible that they can rally even more evangelical voters that otherwise stayed home in 2008.It's not so much "Obama losing votes to Romney" as it is "Romney getting more evangelical voters to come out." Assuming that's the way it goes. It could also energize Obama's apathetic liberal voters, too. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/09/12 1:12:00 PM #44:	My church is evangelical, and people don't vote as myopically as people think. Lots of evangelicals voted for Obama in 2008 because of the economy, or because they wanted to end the Iraq war, or because they didn't trust Sarah Palin with the office of the presidency. So one, there is the rallying effect of increasing turnout, and two, you may also convince some people to change sides. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:1126802] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> My church is evangelical, and people don't vote as myopically as people think. Lots of evangelicals voted for Obama in 2008 because of the economy, or because they wanted to end the Iraq war, or because they didn't trust Sarah Palin with the office of the presidency. So one, there is the rallying effect of increasing turnout, and two, you may also convince some people to change sides. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlphaRayAllen 05/09/12 1:12:00 PM #45:	From: TheRock1525 \| #043 gay marriage wasn't a huge issue during the 2008 campaign -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>AlphaRayAllen posted [p:1126803] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #043gay marriage wasn't a huge issue during the 2008 campaign -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 05/09/12 1:13:00 PM #46:	lol @ Romney having even a slight chance of beating Obama in any situation. Obama could go on the news tomorrow and literally kill a baby with his bare hands, and he would still win the election. -- _foolmo_ 'You are obviously intelligent and insightful' - Sir Chris about me <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:1126804] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> lol @ Romney having even a slight chance of beating Obama in any situation. Obama could go on the news tomorrow and literally kill a baby with his bare hands, and he would still win the election. -- _foolmo_'You are obviously intelligent and insightful' - Sir Chris about me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yoshifan823 05/09/12 1:13:00 PM #47:	*red sox 777 posted...* Why not? Iowa was razor thin in 2000 and 2004, and Obama only got 54% in 2008. Partially blind faith in my state, but Iowa's been trending blue for a while now. Romney is not exactly palatable for the republicans in the state, we're a state where a vast majority of the high-population areas are incredibly liberal, and the low-population areas are filled with farmers and other land workers who aren't thrilled with Mitt Romney's business background. Plus, we've had gay marriage for long enough that people are starting to realize that it's not actually hurting anything. This won't change enough opinions to make a difference. Plus "only 54%" means winning by a minimum of 8 points, which isn't exactly a small margin. <cite>yoshifan823 posted [p:1126805] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> red sox 777 posted...Why not? Iowa was razor thin in 2000 and 2004, and Obama only got 54% in 2008.Partially blind faith in my state, but Iowa's been trending blue for a while now. Romney is not exactly palatable for the republicans in the state, we're a state where a vast majority of the high-population areas are incredibly liberal, and the low-population areas are filled with farmers and other land workers who aren't thrilled with Mitt Romney's business background. Plus, we've had gay marriage for long enough that people are starting to realize that it's not actually hurting anything. This won't change enough opinions to make a difference.Plus "only 54%" means winning by a minimum of 8 points, which isn't exactly a small margin. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VincentLauw 05/09/12 1:15:00 PM #48:	*Liquid Wind posted...* people literally more outraged at other people butt **ing in the privacy of their own homes than america turning into a police state, the abhorrent economy, and the fact that half of our food supply is poisoned what the is wrong with this country like seriously, it's embarrassing to live here at this point it's more the fact that people have always been this way and because we're basically a global community now. we're starting to realize that people generally are extreme in their stances. And vocal too, considering we have the internet to hide behind now -- http://i.imgur.com/xBFwK.gif <cite>VincentLauw posted [p:1126806] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> Liquid Wind posted...people literally more outraged at other people butt ing in the privacy of their own homes than america turning into a police state, the abhorrent economy, and the fact that half of our food supply is poisonedwhat the ** is wrong with this countrylike seriously, it's embarrassing to live here at this pointit's more the fact that people have always been this way and because we're basically a global community now. we're starting to realize that people generally are extreme in their stances. And vocal too, considering we have the internet to hide behind now -- http://i.imgur.com/xBFwK.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingButz 05/09/12 1:15:00 PM #49:	It wasn't. You had a choice between "I oppose gay marriage" and "I don't support gay marriage." It was kind of a non issue -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/bokbokbokpngur.png Mr Caffeine? He was awesome. - Ayuyu <cite>KingButz posted [p:1126807] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> It wasn't. You had a choice between "I oppose gay marriage" and "I don't support gay marriage."It was kind of a non issue -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/bokbokbokpngur.pngMr Caffeine? He was awesome. - Ayuyu </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/09/12 1:15:00 PM #50:	lol @ Romney having even a slight chance of beating Obama in any situation. Obama could go on the news tomorrow and literally kill a baby with his bare hands, and he would still win the election. Why? Why would you have so much faith in Obama's reelection? -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:1126808] in XFD Obama ... [t:62763541]...</cite> <quote> lol @ Romney having even a slight chance of beating Obama in any situation. Obama could go on the news tomorrow and literally kill a baby with his bare hands, and he would still win the election.Why? Why would you have so much faith in Obama's reelection? -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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