First thing I need to get out of the way: Spider-Man needed to be rebooted. Their universe was pretty f***ed up and I think most of the actors/actresses needed to replaced.
Second thing I need to get out of the way: this reboot really didn't change much.
If you enjoyed the first two movies, and hell, even the third, you will like this movie. Why? It's largely more of the same. A lot of elements from the previous films really do carry over, much more than I expected. The citizens of New York helping Spidey out in the final moments of the film, the film ending (well, very close to the end) with a funeral, a little kid getting rescued by Spider-Man in a "growth" moment for Spider-Man. They might have new actors, but it felt a bit like going through the motion. To their credit, the main villain didn't die this time!
Speaking of which, the Lizard... bleh. He's pretty boring. And they repeat the whole "main villain has outward inner monologue where his 'evil' half insists they much continue their work." He wasn't bad, but he wasn't particularly interesting. His interactions with Spidey are weak, despite an odd insistence that he talk. Making him completely feral I think would have worked better, but then again Connors being aware of his transformation and "improvement" kinda justified his decision to turn everyone into lizard people. But still, when one of their final interactions is him mocking Parker's dead parents and uncle for no damn reason (since their interactions were relatively cordial). You could argue it was the "evil" Lizard side but really that was pretty weak.
A lot of elements were rushed. Some strange plot points, like how he invents the webshooters (hint: he does the equivalent of ordering them from ebay). They rushed other plot points (Uncle Ben's death) or they aborted them halfway through (Spider-Man is hunting down Uncle Ben's killer, gives up after a while).
That being said, it's still an enjoyable film. Spider-Man 2 is still my favorite, I think. But Garfield is a better Spider-Man (and maybe a better Peter Parker, it's close), the Gwen/Peter relationship is much less groan worthy than Mary Jane/Peter from the first movie. The CGI and general action sequences are very well done (though the finale is definitely rushed and a bit underwhelming, think Iron Man). This wasn't some huge change in direction from the previous films, it contains a lot of the same elements. But still enjoyable.
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My only complaint was how weak the lizard felt. Didn't really feel like Spidey was threatened, and the Spidey-Lizard non-battles were underfleshed.
On the other hand, Spidey was much better portrayed, and the Peter-Gwen romance actually caused me to give a d*** about the characters, which is always a plus.
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I'll probably avoid it because I can't stand Dennis Leary and I don't like that they kinda rushed a Spider-Man flick just so the movie rights wouldn't revert back to Marvel.
That's the actor, I think we can trust actors with the acting. Especially since doing an American accent is apparently pretty easy for most English actors. (Not Jason Statham though, but we love him anyway)
Also, Batman is British and he's doing okay at being from Gotham.
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Movie was hella better than the Raimi trilogy, mostly because Tobey McGuire and Kirsten Dunst (especially Kirsten Dunst) are far, far away.
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First thing I need to get out of the way: Spider-Man needed to be rebooted. Their universe was pretty f***ed up and I think most of the actors/actresses needed to replaced.
Second thing I need to get out of the way: this reboot really didn't change much.
If you enjoyed the first two movies, and hell, even the third, you will like this movie. Why? It's largely more of the same. A lot of elements from the previous films really do carry over, much more than I expected. The citizens of New York helping Spidey out in the final moments of the film, the film ending (well, very close to the end) with a funeral, a little kid getting rescued by Spider-Man in a "growth" moment for Spider-Man. They might have new actors, but it felt a bit like going through the motion. To their credit, the main villain didn't die this time!
You're right in that the movie didn't change a lot in terms of the basic structure, but it's Spider-Man. The overview is the same, but it's the way it happened that changed, and it changed for the better. Peter directly seeing his uncle die, the selfish act not seeming so, so out of character, the bully confrontation being just taunting and embarrassing instead of out and out violence, making Aunt May less of an oblivious old woman, changing Peter's love interest from Mary Jane, Generic Girl Next Door, to Gwen Stacy, who is smart, driven, and much more similar to Peter, so it makes sense when they get together, these are little things, but they make the story much better as a whole. Even the result of the funeral is way different. In Spider-Man, the funeral is for the villain, while in Amazing, it's for a hero. In Spider-Man, it ends with Peter walking away from someone who cares about him to live a life of being sad, and in Amazing, while it initially ends with the same thing, the movie itself ends with Peter and Gwen (who are, again, much more suited for each other) ostensibly getting back together.
Speaking of which, the Lizard... bleh. He's pretty boring. And they repeat the whole "main villain has outward inner monologue where his 'evil' half insists they much continue their work." He wasn't bad, but he wasn't particularly interesting. His interactions with Spidey are weak, despite an odd insistence that he talk. Making him completely feral I think would have worked better, but then again Connors being aware of his transformation and "improvement" kinda justified his decision to turn everyone into lizard people. But still, when one of their final interactions is him mocking Parker's dead parents and uncle for no damn reason (since their interactions were relatively cordial). You could argue it was the "evil" Lizard side but really that was pretty weak.
As for the villain, I agree that he's the weak part, but the slowly turning crazy is foreshadowing for future movies. The serum he used is obviously a precursor to the Goblin serum, and we all know what that does to people (I mean, it's being made for Norman Osbourne, after all).
A lot of elements were rushed. Some strange plot points, like how he invents the webshooters (hint: he does the equivalent of ordering them from ebay). They rushed other plot points (Uncle Ben's death) or they aborted them halfway through (Spider-Man is hunting down Uncle Ben's killer, gives up after a while).
He orders the webs, not the shooters. The webs are widely available, he just creates a mechanism that allows him to harness them in the way he wants. It makes a lot more sense than him coming up with a magical wonder-chemical that would probably take years and years of research to make, and it's better than organic shooters because it's another instance of solidifying Peter as A Smart Kid.
I'll probably avoid it because I can't stand Dennis Leary and I don't like that they kinda rushed a Spider-Man flick just so the movie rights wouldn't revert back to Marvel.
Denis Leary was, no joke, one of my favorite parts. He's very good at the whole "no-nonsense" kind of thing, while still being able to be funny. I'm not a huge fan of the guy normally, but he does a great job.
A lot of elements were rushed. Some strange plot points, like how he invents the webshooters (hint: he does the equivalent of ordering them from ebay). They rushed other plot points (Uncle Ben's death) or they aborted them halfway through (Spider-Man is hunting down Uncle Ben's killer, gives up after a while).
He orders the webs, not the shooters. The webs are widely available, he just creates a mechanism that allows him to harness them in the way he wants. It makes a lot more sense than him coming up with a magical wonder-chemical that would probably take years and years of research to make, and it's better than organic shooters because it's another instance of solidifying Peter as A Smart Kid.
The problem is that creating a mechanism to shoot out the material in a straight line really isn't that complicated. I mean, I don't mind the idea of webshooters, but he ebay's the web material. What if Oscorp just decides to shut down production of it? Does he have any idea how to build his own? At least with the organic shooters you have justification, but really he's either gotta go all the way with the webshooters (build the mechanism AND the material) or not have them at all, because the current way just comes off as pretty weak.
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A lot of elements were rushed. Some strange plot points, like how he invents the webshooters (hint: he does the equivalent of ordering them from ebay). They rushed other plot points (Uncle Ben's death) or they aborted them halfway through (Spider-Man is hunting down Uncle Ben's killer, gives up after a while).
He orders the webs, not the shooters. The webs are widely available, he just creates a mechanism that allows him to harness them in the way he wants. It makes a lot more sense than him coming up with a magical wonder-chemical that would probably take years and years of research to make, and it's better than organic shooters because it's another instance of solidifying Peter as A Smart Kid.
The problem is that creating a mechanism to shoot out the material in a straight line really isn't that complicated. I mean, I don't mind the idea of webshooters, but he ebay's the web material. What if Oscorp just decides to shut down production of it? Does he have any idea how to build his own? At least with the organic shooters you have justification, but really he's either gotta go all the way with the webshooters (build the mechanism AND the material) or not have them at all, because the current way just comes off as pretty weak.
Like I said, even in this comic book movie, having him come up with the webs would be way too unrealistic. I could see him maybe reverse engineering it, but he ordered a s***-ton, and the practical uses of the stuff, I have to imagine, would keep them in production for a very long time. Oscorp doesn't know that he's using their stuff, and if they did, they'd have to weigh taking that away from him and trusting that he hasn't figured out how to make it or something similar with losing out on all of the money that they make from it in all of its other uses.
I also imagine that making the shooter would be fairly mechanically challenging, especially for a 17 year old high school student. I'm not an engineer or anything, but it's a lot more than just adapting a silly string shooter.
He did in the first film, too. And in neither film did he actually witness the action.
the selfish act not seeming so, so out of character
Except it was rather in character. At the time, he was acting rather selfish: he was only looking at ways to purchase a car to impress Mary Jane, and he acted rather coldly towards Uncle Ben before said event. It was quite clear that Peter and Ben were growing a bit distant.
the bully confrontation being just taunting and embarrassing instead of out and out violence
Both work, really. I don't see any problem with going either route, as one establishes Peter's mindset whereas the other establishes Peter's abilities. Both are acceptable for what they seek to accomplish.
making Aunt May less of an oblivious old woman
Agreed here.
changing Peter's love interest from Mary Jane, Generic Girl Next Door, to Gwen Stacy, who is smart, driven, and much more similar to Peter
Well, here's the inherent problem: you're taking two different approaches to a love story, and once again there's no real problem with either one fundamentally. The issue I always took with the Mary-Jane/Peter relationship was some atrocious dialogue and, well, Mary-Jane. But Mary-Jane kinda represented a goal for Peter much more than a person. Something that seemed unobtainable before but with his new-found powers (and confidence) he suddenly found the courage to go after her. In that sense, it worked for Peter because it represented a certain level of character growth. The problem with the Mary-Jane in the movies was that she was rather static as a character and it hurt the overall development. Also, Dunst wasn't nearly drop-dead gorgeous enough to make it work.
On the flip side, we're more TOLD that Gwen Stacey is driven than we see it, and she's reduced to "worrying girlfriend" when tending to Peter. To her credit, she defies the normal "girlfriend gets captured, put in peril" plot by making her own choice to stay in the end. I had no real problem with it, but it didn't really come off as great, especially since I didn't care for most of their interactions. Basically, both are concepts that are fine, but one was rather flawed in execution and the other was just mediocre.
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I don't have any big opinion on the web shooter thing, but I'll say I'd have no problem suspending my disbelief to believe he created the web fluid while in high school. Never questioned it in the comics.
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Seriously, it completely ruined the movie, it was loud and just plain crap.
Also, not killing Uncle Ben's killer was the biggest no no ever. Killing him is what makes Spider-Man. He has to kill that guy, its the whole point of the responsibility angle.
Like I said, even in this comic book movie, having him come up with the webs would be way too unrealistic. I could see him maybe reverse engineering it, but he ordered a s***-ton, and the practical uses of the stuff, I have to imagine, would keep them in production for a very long time. Oscorp doesn't know that he's using their stuff, and if they did, they'd have to weigh taking that away from him and trusting that he hasn't figured out how to make it or something similar with losing out on all of the money that they make from it in all of its other uses.
The problem is that it makes Spider-Man reliant on something he cannot reproduce himself. Which then puts him in the awkward position of maybe not having the material when needed. There's also the fact that how useful would this stuff actually be to the average consumer to warrant it's production. How do you extract the material for use? People are supposedly buying this product, yet only Parker seems to have the best way of extracting it?
I also imagine that making the shooter would be fairly mechanically challenging, especially for a 17 year old high school student. I'm not an engineer or anything, but it's a lot more than just adapting a silly string shooter.
As a mechanical engineering student, I can say that it wouldn't be too complicated to make webshooters. The issue wouldn't be the delivery method, it was the material.
At the very least, have Peter keep the spider that bit him to create more of the material himself or something. Just...don't have him have to order it off QVC.
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Seriously, it completely ruined the movie, it was loud and just plain crap.
Also, not killing Uncle Ben's killer was the biggest no no ever. Killing him is what makes Spider-Man. He has to kill that guy, its the whole point of the responsibility angle.
:(
Oh, God the music.
What the f*** was up with that music while he was fighting the Lizard in the school? I couldn't picture more ill-fitting music for those scenes.
I assume that they might address Uncle Ben's killer in sequels, but I can't really judge based on that because all we've got is this movie. It's a plot-thread that just dies, really. Obviously, the appearance of the Lizard changes Spidey's priorities, but I think that he could have easily addressed the killer BEFORE Lizard showed up.
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Seriously, it completely ruined the movie, it was loud and just plain crap.
Also, not killing Uncle Ben's killer was the biggest no no ever. Killing him is what makes Spider-Man. He has to kill that guy, its the whole point of the responsibility angle.
:(
Has he ever actually killed the burglar... Ever? Like, I'm legitimately curious.
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He did in the first film, too. And in neither film did he actually witness the action.
I'm pretty sure the guy in the Raimi movies was a burgler who broke into their house, while Peter was gone. Peter came back to a dead Uncle Ben, while it happened right across the street in this one. He saw the action, but he didn't realize until he got over there that it was Uncle Ben.
Except it was rather in character. At the time, he was acting rather selfish: he was only looking at ways to purchase a car to impress Mary Jane, and he acted rather coldly towards Uncle Ben before said event. It was quite clear that Peter and Ben were growing a bit distant.
The moment in both movies happens out of spite, but in the Raimi ones, it's because Peter is acting very smug and over-confident, and in the new one it's because he was emotional after having a fight with his uncle. Peter is much less of a jerk in this one, which makes the scene that much more meaningful. Acting out of spite because you're emotional is a much more human experience.
Both work, really. I don't see any problem with going either route, as one establishes Peter's mindset whereas the other establishes Peter's abilities. Both are acceptable for what they seek to accomplish.
I'll give you this one.
Well, here's the inherent problem: you're taking two different approaches to a love story, and once again there's no real problem with either one fundamentally. The issue I always took with the Mary-Jane/Peter relationship was some atrocious dialogue and, well, Mary-Jane. But Mary-Jane kinda represented a goal for Peter much more than a person. Something that seemed unobtainable before but with his new-found powers (and confidence) he suddenly found the courage to go after her. In that sense, it worked for Peter because it represented a certain level of character growth. The problem with the Mary-Jane in the movies was that she was rather static as a character and it hurt the overall development. Also, Dunst wasn't nearly drop-dead gorgeous enough to make it work.
On the flip side, we're more TOLD that Gwen Stacey is driven than we see it, and she's reduced to "worrying girlfriend" when tending to Peter. To her credit, she defies the normal "girlfriend gets captured, put in peril" plot by making her own choice to stay in the end. I had no real problem with it, but it didn't really come off as great, especially since I didn't care for most of their interactions. Basically, both are concepts that are fine, but one was rather flawed in execution and the other was just mediocre.
We definitely see it, though. She's the head intern at a major lab at age 17, which is incredibly impressive. And she's a worrying girlfriend because she sees Peter like she sees her dad, both going out to risk their lives for the betterment of the city and it's people. It's a feeling she has every day, it's just being extended to Peter as well. Gwen is a much better character because she's actually proactive. In the Raimi movies, Mary-Jane is a constant damsel in distress, whether it's from muggers, Green Goblin, or her own family, she exists to be saved. Gwen, on the other hand, is actually a very proactive character. She saves everyone in the Oscorp building, gets the antidote made, and when the Lizard is in the school, she bashes him on the head with a trophy.
I thought Garfield and Stone had excellent chemistry. That moment between them after Captain Stacy's funeral is just heartbreaking, and I was genuinely concerned that the movie was gonna end where pretty much every superhero movie ends, with the hero sacrificing love for heroism, but in this one, Gwen is the perfect girl, because she understands and accepts Peter, and his responsibility.
Once again, I'm registering complaints but I still enjoyed the overall movie. Just that I feel like it was just more of the same from the series. Might have toned down the cheese a little but so much felt familiar (and not just cause it was the origin story again) that I had to leave the theater a bit disappointed.
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Seriously, it completely ruined the movie, it was loud and just plain crap.
Also, not killing Uncle Ben's killer was the biggest no no ever. Killing him is what makes Spider-Man. He has to kill that guy, its the whole point of the responsibility angle.
:(
Oh, God the music.
What the f*** was up with that music while he was fighting the Lizard in the school? I couldn't picture more ill-fitting music for those scenes.
I assume that they might address Uncle Ben's killer in sequels, but I can't really judge based on that because all we've got is this movie. It's a plot-thread that just dies, really. Obviously, the appearance of the Lizard changes Spidey's priorities, but I think that he could have easily addressed the killer BEFORE Lizard showed up.
He was addressing the killer before the Lizard showed up. He was going out every night, listening to police radios and finding every long blonde-haired thief, mugger, and robber, looking for the guy. He stops partially because of The Lizard, but also because of what Captain Stacy says at that dinner about revenge, which rang true with what Uncle Ben told him after his thing with Flash.
Seriously, it completely ruined the movie, it was loud and just plain crap.
Also, not killing Uncle Ben's killer was the biggest no no ever. Killing him is what makes Spider-Man. He has to kill that guy, its the whole point of the responsibility angle.
What are you talking about? He never kills the guy, at least not in the comics. He takes him to the police in both Amazing Fantasy #15 and Ultimate Spider-Man.
I'm pretty sure the guy in the Raimi movies was a burgler who broke into their house, while Peter was gone. Peter came back to a dead Uncle Ben, while it happened right across the street in this one. He saw the action, but he didn't realize until he got over there that it was Uncle Ben.
Nope, in the Raimi movies Uncle Ben tried to stop them from taking his car, only to get shot. Peter then runs up to find Ben still alive in his final moments.
In this one, Peter may have heard the scuffle, but he clearly waits to turn around until after the gunman has left. Once again, he doesn't witness the deed, only arrives to see his uncle (already) dead.
The moment in both movies happens out of spite, but in the Raimi ones, it's because Peter is acting very smug and over-confident, and in the new one it's because he was emotional after having a fight with his uncle. Peter is much less of a jerk in this one, which makes the scene that much more meaningful. Acting out of spite because you're emotional is a much more human experience.
That's the thing, though: both are a reflection of the character's development up until that point. In Raimi's Spider-Man, it's about Peter Parker's growing confidence and smugness driving a wedge between him and his uncle. In the new one, it's a reflection of frustration. Both work in terms of what they were trying to accomplish relative to character development.
We definitely see it, though. She's the head intern at a major lab at age 17, which is incredibly impressive.
No, see, that's telling. Showing would be giving examples of Gwen's drive and intelligence. OK, she has a post as head intern at Oscorp. Why? Do we get any scenes that show off Gwen's intelligence? Hell, I think we get more scenes that involve showing Gwen's, well, stupidity. I mean, she attacks the Lizard with a trophy. She takes the system for delivering the Lizard formula, and rather than tossing it out the window, or hell, DESTROYING IT she hides in a closet and tries to stop the Lizard with... a bunsen burner. I guess if we're supposed to play this character off as intelligent as Parker, there should have been more scenes showing that off. Have them talking in class or something that reflects that. I guess I don't see Gwen as that intelligent in the film.
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Seriously, it completely ruined the movie, it was loud and just plain crap.
Also, not killing Uncle Ben's killer was the biggest no no ever. Killing him is what makes Spider-Man. He has to kill that guy, its the whole point of the responsibility angle.
What are you talking about? He never kills the guy, at least not in the comics. He takes him to the police in both Amazing Fantasy #15 and Ultimate Spider-Man. Kill, catch, subdue, arrest, not let run amok in the city after he just killed your uncle, my bad board 8. Holy crap. Never change.
He was addressing the killer before the Lizard showed up. He was going out every night, listening to police radios and finding every long blonde-haired thief, mugger, and robber, looking for the guy. He stops partially because of The Lizard, but also because of what Captain Stacy says at that dinner about revenge, which rang true with what Uncle Ben told him after his thing with Flash.
Except it's quite clear he's still intent on catching this guy: his image is still posted on the center of his wall.
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No, see, that's telling. Showing would be giving examples of Gwen's drive and intelligence. OK, she has a post as head intern at Oscorp. Why? Do we get any scenes that show off Gwen's intelligence? Hell, I think we get more scenes that involve showing Gwen's, well, stupidity. I mean, she attacks the Lizard with a trophy. She takes the system for delivering the Lizard formula, and rather than tossing it out the window, or hell, DESTROYING IT she hides in a closet and tries to stop the Lizard with... a bunsen burner. I guess if we're supposed to play this character off as intelligent as Parker, there should have been more scenes showing that off. Have them talking in class or something that reflects that. I guess I don't see Gwen as that intelligent in the film.
I see the trophy attack as her being brave, not stupid (though the two aren't that far apart). And she works in the lab, so she obviously knows what the device is capable of, for both good and bad, so trying to save it makes sense. And attacking with the bunsen burner was resourceful. It's better than just standing there scared.
Also, you mentioned New Yorkers helping him out in the climax or something. For whatever reason of the few comic book movies I've seen and all the cliches therein, this one really bothers me. But I can't really put it into words quite why without spending a long time on this post and it's not really worth it, so whatever.
Suffice it to say that s***'s cheesy as f*** though.
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Also, you mentioned New Yorkers helping him out in the climax or something. For whatever reason of the few comic book movies I've seen and all the cliches therein, this one really bothers me. But I can't really put it into words quite why without spending a long time on this post and it's not really worth it, so whatever.
Suffice it to say that s***'s cheesy as f*** though.
See, that's one thing I liked about Spider-Man 2. They play up the cliche with the whole "if you want to get to Spider-Man you have to go through us."
So Doc Ock goes through them. Easily. And it's probably my favorite scene in the whole film. I love when they avert tropes like that.
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I see the trophy attack as her being brave, not stupid (though the two aren't that far apart). And she works in the lab, so she obviously knows what the device is capable of, for both good and bad, so trying to save it makes sense. And attacking with the bunsen burner was resourceful. It's better than just standing there scared.
With the amount of chemicals in that laboratory, pretty sure she should have concocted something better than "burn with weak flame" especially if she's so highly intelligent. Hell, didn't she have the cure on her (or it was just about done)? If he was brave enough to try and set the Lizard on fire with a very weak flame (and risk inducing his wrath) why wasn't she brave (or smart) enough to just stick his ass with a needle full of the magic "make everyone stop being lizards" formula?
Also, what the fudge ever happened to that rat? Think he ate it?
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Also, Jesus Christ guys, lightning strikes? Could you be anymore cliche in the final scene?
It's a comic book movie yo
They won't let Peter create his own webbing. It's unrealistic.
Magical gas that turns people into lizards? Dat's cool.
Second magical gas that cures all lizard people? Fine.
Lightning strikes ominous endings A-OK.
But nope, gotta order some more webbing off Amazon. Hopefully it qualifies for free two-day shipping.
Yes, Peter creating a hyper-tensile, ten-times-as-strong-as-steel, stickier than super-glue chemical in his bedroom in a matter of days is the exact same as decades of scientific research. They explain the "magical gas" in great detail, the chemical itself is a way to genetically modify people with animal genes, and the way it was spread was a way to potentially apply vaccines over large distances, and they're both in high-tech labs where they've been worked on for years. This makes sense. Peter creating his webs in a matter of days with random crap he can pull together from wherever does not.
I don't get why this is such a sticking point for you. It makes perfect sense as a way to bridge the gap between "Completely unrealistic invention by a high schooler" and the organic shooters.
I see the trophy attack as her being brave, not stupid (though the two aren't that far apart). And she works in the lab, so she obviously knows what the device is capable of, for both good and bad, so trying to save it makes sense. And attacking with the bunsen burner was resourceful. It's better than just standing there scared.
With the amount of chemicals in that laboratory, pretty sure she should have concocted something better than "burn with weak flame" especially if she's so highly intelligent. Hell, didn't she have the cure on her (or it was just about done)? If he was brave enough to try and set the Lizard on fire with a very weak flame (and risk inducing his wrath) why wasn't she brave (or smart) enough to just stick his ass with a needle full of the magic "make everyone stop being lizards" formula?
Also, what the fudge ever happened to that rat? Think he ate it?
Well the antidote wasn't ready until after he left, so that was out. And the lab itself wasn't exactly filled with all sorts of explosive chemicals. It was a genetics lab, those don't really lend themselves to attacking things.
I'd imagine trying over and over again to create it himself would cost more than actually just buying it. Unless he's just like "Hey I know how to make it perfectly already." >_>
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I'd imagine trying over and over again to create it himself would cost more than actually just buying it. Unless he's just like "Hey I know how to make it perfectly already." >_>
Considering that was the explanation in the old TV show (that the spiderbite gave him an understanding of what enzymes can produce a fluid like a spider-web).
Or hell, why not have it in his dad's notes? He learned how to make this tensile product, but he was killed/died before he could put it use.
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Man. You really have a problem with this buying thing, huh.
Yes, I do. Spider-Man always created his own webbing. Comics, TV shows, the previous movies. Never once did Spider-Man have to bulk order his webbing like he was getting it from a Sam's Club.
I would have accepted any other option. Anything. His father's notes, the spider-bite implanting it into his mind, hell, having him steal one and reverse engineering it, harvest it from the spider that bit him, ANYTHING.
I don't like the idea of the universe where anyone with a credit card and a basic understanding of engineering can create their very own webshooters.
-- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle.
To be fair, every single web-shooter-based version of Spider-Man's webbing always has him talking about buying the chemicals he needs to make the webbing, so he's still buying SOMETHING. And really, just buying it ready-made is almost MORE logical. Not just because how does this kid invent this ****, but remember in Batman Begins when Batman and Alfred are talking about how to procure the stuff he needs to be Batman without making it obvious that he's Batman? They order stuff in ridiculously large quantities and set up dummy corporations to order each single thing they need, so nobody can look at what Wayne Enterprises is buying and say hey, they're buying a ton of X, Y, and Z, if you put those together you can make **** like what Batman uses. So if Peter had to order X, Y, and Z to make his webbing, I really don't think he'd be clever enough, or have the resources, to do something like that. So then you'd just have someone look at his Amazon history and say huh why is this kid ordering all these chemicals over and over, I wonder what happens if you mix them, oh look it's webbing he must be Spider-Man.
If the webbing is just ONE thing he buys (and presumably he is far from the only person buying it), then it's not something where anyone can use it to figure out he's Spider-Man.
-- SuperNiceDog didn't have to reconcile his name... But Dauntless Hunter is now MrGreenonion