Board 8 > 2013 Character Battle X-Stats: The Adjusted Version (now with less Draven)

(+) Yeah! (+)

We haven't had a good ole' fashioned LOL X-STATS topic in a while. Let's fix that! This is way overdue and I doubt many people will care by this point, but no one ever made this, sooo...

Methodlogy used:
1. Leon's 2010 x-stats were used as a basis for a lot of stuff. I found them to be really consistent and useful.

2. The aim of these stats was to calculate 'true' character strength - a.k.a. with rally power removed. These standings won't matter quite as much as they did in the past, obviously, but it was a fun project for me to do.

3. Consistent showings were prized over one-and-done ridiculous matches. Mewtwo may have slaughtered Sephiroth and Sonic but he also failed to get 60% on Phoenix Wright and has never had results anywhere close to that strong in the past. I took into account the circumstances of matches heavily when deciding which showings were 'legit'. I probably got a few things wrong, but overall I think my choices were solid.

4. With that said, Vivi is probably overrated in these stats due to the circumstances of his match, but I don't feel comfortable adjusting him down further. His result against Mario is amazing even when taking a rally into account (he was holding off Mario at the start even before things really kicked in) and he beat Squall easily next round. I gave Mario 100% of Ganondorf's votes and had to adjust Vivi even further down to account for extra rally votes - and he still ended up where he is. So while he still might be overrated, he's more or less earned his spot.

5. Pokemon were inconsistent and strange. No surprise there! The exception was Pikachu, who performed more or less as he should have each round based on differing results.

6. Yes, Cloud/Sephiroth/Vincent really did do that badly. I completely wrote off the upsets against them and their prior results still sucked hardcore. And yes, Tifa did do that well. I don't get it either.

7. Finally - Draven was adjusted using his result against Jak before the rally kicked in. That simple!

So without further ado:


Link -- 50
Solid Snake -- 45.52
Mario -- 45.12
Samus -- 43.85
Mega Man -- 40.04382
Sonic the Hedgehog -- 39.54
Tifa Lockheart -- 39.27206
Crono -- 39.24
Pikachu -- 38.259
Sephiroth -- 37.23
Cloud -- 36.86
Vivi -- 36.36
Mega Man X -- 36.35
Squall Leonhart -- 36.35
Auron -- 35.04
L-Block -- 35.04
Yoshi -- 35.02
Luigi -- 35.01
Zero (Mega Man X) -- 34.99
Squirtle -- 34.93
Bowser -- 34.41
Kirby -- 34.08
Pokemon Trainer Red -- 34
Big Boss -- 33.24
Zelda -- 32.76
Charizard -- 32.76
Mewtwo -- 32.63
GlaDOS -- 32.4
Ganondorf -- 32.15
Sora -- 32.1222564
Dante -- 31.54
Kefka -- 31.37
Ryu -- 31.10833
Commander Shepard -- 30.4
Terra Branford -- 30.017664
Aerith Gainsborough -- 29.68256
Leon Kennedy -- 29.38
Fox McCloud -- 29.36
Magikarp -- 29.35212006
Zack Fair -- 29.042346
Rikku -- 28.943728
Epona -- 28.93
Pokemon Trainer Blue -- 28.7728
Dragonborn -- 28.7314391
Sub-Zero -- 28.66353
Vincent Valentine -- 28.61
Weighted Companion Cube -- 28.607824
The Boss -- 28.229964
Amaterasu -- 28.09855
Zidane Tribal -- 27.490264
Scorpion -- 27.48380258
? Block -- 27.46180913
Alucard -- 27.34
Revolver Ocelot -- 27.282144
Captain Falcon -- 27.197832
Barret Wallace -- 27.187704
Gordon Freeman -- 26.741676
Ike -- 26.67
Riku -- 26.56
Ness -- 26.51
Frog -- 26.487596
Proto Man -- 26.461974
Missingno -- 26.46
Tidus -- 26.43354
Meta Knight -- 26.36
Phoenix Wright -- 26.312832
Claptrap -- 26.06744923
Yuna -- 25.92
Garrus Vakarian -- 25.80290971
Ryu Hayabusa -- 25.66066
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Dracula -- 25.566564
Altair -- 25.560276
Lara Croft -- 25.522632
Raiden -- 25.39
Donkey Kong -- 25.25
Lenneth Valkyrie -- 25.17488512
Ridley -- 25.08761493
Gilgamesh -- 25.02323774
Morrigan Aensland -- 24.921762
Ezio Auditore da Firenze -- 24.829344
Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik -- 24.371046
Master Chief -- 23.976
Knuckles the Echidna -- 23.80178
Tom Nook -- 23.75515384
Chun-Li -- 23.68890659
Shadow the Hedgehog -- 23.68028
Rydia -- 23.670972
Marth -- 23.618398
Lloyd -- 23.6134548
Roxas -- 23.57
Urdnot Wrex -- 23.5348
Cecil Harvey -- 23.5348
Big Daddy -- 23.491026
Magus -- 23.4
Nathan Drake -- 23.2771952
Lugia -- 23.251288
Jill Valentine -- 23.17736302
Mordin Solus -- 22.987778
KOS-MOS -- 22.979552
Pyramid Head -- 22.80701635
Albert Wesker -- 22.722492
Pac-Man -- 22.41128354
Ramza Beoulve -- 22.404102
Waluigi -- 22.378746
Midna -- 22.308216
Chrom -- 22.30167156
Isaac (Golden Sun) -- 22.2
Falco Lombardi -- 22.11
Lightning -- 22.0382
Elizabeth -- 22.022496
Spyro the Dragon -- 21.883794
Crash Bandicoot -- 21.87936
Ratchet -- 21.68533816
Bayonetta -- 21.55
Palutena -- 21.493536
Captain Olimar -- 21.48064
Locke Cole -- 21.404174
Kratos -- 21.07906685
Professor Layton -- 20.88559421
Booker Dewitt -- 20.77429197
Wario -- 20.774
Rayman -- 20.69769
Solaire of Astora -- 20.584756
Pit -- 20.53175952
Celes Chere -- 20.38860475
Wheatley -- 20.2690391
Duke -- 20.25888
Miles "Tails" Prower -- 20.19618841
Adam Jensen -- 20.172528
Catherine -- 20.03945
John Marston -- 20.022912
Jigglypuff -- 19.93434
Hero (DQV) -- 19.92887078
Yuri Lowell -- 19.8906662
Heavy -- 19.78355877
Hal "Otacon" Emmerich -- 19.65132
Claire Redfield -- 19.62144
Poison -- 19.55157195
Neku Sakuraba -- 19.53044797
Prinny -- 19.410476
Lyndis -- 19.36914278
Simon Belmont -- 19.17378169
Wolf McDonald -- 19.11
Lucina -- 19.00618368
Sandbag -- 18.92566
Tharja -- 18.89664
Juliet Starling -- 18.87396403
Laharl -- 18.841996
Yu Narukami -- 18.74530965
Cole MacGrath -- 18.6948
Rinoa Heartilly -- 18.5990921
Jak -- 18.57
Fei Fong Wong -- 18.449364
Balthier Bunansa -- 18.408258
Slime -- 18.4069222
Miles Edeworth -- 18.39226036
Missile -- 18.372168
Kratos Aurion -- 18.285774
Peach -- 18.26688
Boko -- 18.26478
Aya Brea -- 17.96276578
Yoshimitsu -- 17.95634133
Viewtiful Joe -- 17.92680497
Little Mac -- 17.840616
Isaac (BoI) -- 17.45
Shulk -- 17.36053946
Seifer Almasy -- 17.34197691
Niko Bellic -- 17.294354
Sarah Kerrigan -- 17.242056
Handsome Jack -- 17.1904498
Banjo -- 16.823268
Bomberman -- 16.81443176
Thrall -- 16.76352396
Tiny Tina -- 16.62526387
CATS -- 16.457408
Agent 47 -- 16.3985194
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Mr. Game and Watch -- 16.39474144
Nightmare -- 16.16134141
N -- 15.84787
Lee Everett -- 15.83732023
Lu Bu -- 15.56455666
Creeper -- 15.248116
Oliver -- 15.171832
Clementine -- 15.10857138
Sly Cooper -- 15.10403668
Geno -- 15.00041497
Ragna the Bloodedge -- 14.85216
Reimu Hakurei -- 14.84992392
Steve -- 14.7623972
Corvo Attano -- 14.6812
Face McShooty -- 14.53381178
Vaas Montenegro -- 14.37630143
Tommy Vercetti -- 14.28722208
Kain -- 14.21504
Tingle -- 14.14
Travis Touchdown -- 14.10611153
Demi-Fiend -- 13.97298
Guybrush Threepwood -- 13.9531
Chie Satonaka -- 13.931214
Archer -- 13.874112
Recette Lemongrass -- 13.78149391
Isaac Clarke -- 13.64612
Dan Hibiki -- 13.380336
Marisa Kirisame -- 13.322304
Vyse -- 13.24003676
Mike Haggar -- 13.18791956
Groose -- 13.16918073
Max Payne -- 13.15578
Wander -- 13.14981
Jade Curtiss -- 12.753
The King of All Cosmos -- 12.56827
Kat -- 12.39899461
Cirno -- 12.24502831
Raz -- 12.149208
JC Denton -- 12.08578
Meat Boy -- 12.0665297
Teemo -- 11.927616
Fawful -- 11.758272
Hades -- 11.41334732
Dunban -- 11.341004
Jade -- 11.13318
Commander Keen -- 10.63
Draven -- 10.607184
Frank West -- 10.39339598
Red Bird -- 10.19803973
Captain Viridian -- 10.158144
Sackboy -- 10.103184
Nier -- 10.004904
Armstrong -- 9.966944
Zero (999) -- 9.939098
Alan Wake -- 9.196258
Kaim Argonar -- 9.118467831
Adol Christin -- 8.92971919
Peacock -- 8.895024
Reyn -- 8.250190338
Sissel -- 8.228
Commander Video -- 7.82979
Francis -- 7.798481995
Yuri Hyuga -- 7.554699072
Welkin Gunther -- 6.480880029
Caim -- 5.236032307
Spring Breeze Dancin' -- 5.096694946
Chester -- 2.688712


That's all, folks!
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Tifa would not beat Cloud or Sephy.
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Zylothewolf posted...

Tifa would not beat Cloud or Sephy.

Yeah, probably. The point of stats like these is not to make judgements on potential matches though - it's to report the results in a method that's as unbiased as possible. And Tifa did WAY better than those two. Somehow.

Also:
@Ngamer64
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Uh, we've seen Tifa against both Cloud and Seph at this point, haven't we?
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KamikazePotato posted...

Zylothewolf posted...

Tifa would not beat Cloud or Sephy.

Yeah, probably. The point of stats like these is not to make judgements on potential matches though - it's to report the results in a method that's as unbiased as possible. And Tifa did WAY better than those two. Somehow.

Also:
@Ngamer64

I mean I don't want to downplay your work here but in the age of rallies there's no way of properly adjusting stats anymore.
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Oh hey, nice work. I haven't bothered with adjusted stats the last couple of contests because rallies pollute the pool to the point that they don't really matter anymore, but figuring out a basis for adjustments and trying to be consistent across the board is a fun challenge. I assume you used the Mario/Crono/Mega Man X match to help make a few adjustments, too.

Tifa "overperforms" relative to the rest of FFVII these days and hasn't dropped off the way they have for two very good reasons.
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Epona -- 28.93
Vincent Valentine -- 28.61

oh man

now there's a match i want to see
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Ultii posted...

Uh, we've seen Tifa against both Cloud and Seph at this point, haven't we?

Tifa has never faced Cloud. She's overperformed against Seph once and Samus twice though. Her strength is pretty legit.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Oh hey, nice work. I haven't bothered with adjusted stats the last couple of contests because rallies pollute the pool to the point that they don't really matter anymore, but figuring out a basis for adjustments and trying to be consistent across the board is a fun challenge. I assume you used the Mario/Crono/Mega Man X match to help make a few adjustments, too.

Tifa "overperforms" relative to the rest of FFVII these days and hasn't dropped off the way they have for two very good reasons.

Thanks! And I actually forgot about that match entirely, I used other methods. I'll cross-reference it with the current stats tomorrow and see what happens.
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Also, Snake should be 46.52% there. That's what he got against Link in the bonus match, and that's the most reliable data we have from that contest since it's 1-on-1.
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Also, some more fun facts:

-L-Block acted like an actual character and was super consistent across his matches.
-The worst match a Pokemon had was Squirtle vs. Ramza, which made Squirtle look like crap. Then he went on to do...things.
-Conversely, Charizard's result against Riku made him look amazing, followed by him s***ting the bed afterwards.
-The FF7 boys fell, but the FF7 girls stayed the same - or better! TJF at work.
-The FF9 crew got stronger. Squall avoided FF7's fate and stayed exactly the same. No seriously, exactly the same, within like .3% of his previous value.
-Kefka, GlaDOS, and Red boosted the most from the previous contest.
-Dante was doomed from the start - Squirtle's 'true' strength was way out of his league. When looking at his results against Laharl and Zidane, it doesn't look like he dropped much if at all.
-The Boss seems to get stronger every contest.
-The five strongest newcomers were Squirtle, Magikarp, Epona, Pokemon Trainer Blue, and Dragonborn.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Also, Snake should be 46.52% there. That's what he got against Link in the bonus match, and that's the most reliable data we have from that contest since it's 1-on-1.

I don't quite trust that result as Snake had just got done trying to FInish the Fight against Draven. He was riding high on GameFAQs support. I used some other results to try and calculate stuff and he more or less ended up where he was, meaning he potentially overperformed by 1%.

Even if I'm wrong though, doesn't change much. He's still #2 either way.
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KamikazePotato posted...

Squall avoided FF7's fate and stayed exactly the same. No seriously, exactly the same, within like .3% of his previous value.

Mr. Consistent

Although he's really got nothing on Ryu who ends up at like 30-32% on Link every contest
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Eh, I don't really see much evidence of a Snake overperformance. He lost against Link from wire to wire. Link becoming the hero of GameFAQs again with that controversial loss to Draven probably balanced that out.
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Also, just did a quick check and Crono did a lot better in the Revenge Match than he's projected to do in my stats. X was there too though and Mario probably overlaps with him.

Who knows though. Mario's number is arbitrary - I just plugged in his 2010 number because those stats were pretty consistent and we only saw one 'real' match with him, where he obliterated Duke Nukem and looked great before Vivi did his thing. He could be a little weaker but I'm not going to make guesses.
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Hey man, if Snake is that strong I'm totally okay with that !
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Ganondorf continues to be the worst character in existence

it's all his fault that Vivi got to have the magic run and not Squall

and people said I was crazy when I thought Squall had enough strength to squeak by an LFF'd Mario...!
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KamikazePotato posted...

Squall avoided FF7's fate and stayed exactly the same.

Cloud: Squall, I'm dying...
Squall: ...Whatever.
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KamikazePotato posted...

Hey man, if Snake is that strong I'm totally okay with that !

I kinda doubt he'd do that if you ran the match again today, partly because there's no telling what kind of monster Link is right now, but there weren't really any signs of an overperformance there like in 2008 where it was blatantly obvious.
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LeonhartFour posted...

partly because there's no telling what kind of monster Link is right now

i just realized how easily the plot of breath of the wild could be adapted to gamefaqs contests

oh my god

"That... is the Calamity Draven. 4 years ago it unleashed its rally and brought ruin to GameFAQs Contests."
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Biggest regret of the contest was not trying to get Serge in.
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ya go my crono
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pjbasis posted...

Biggest regret of the contest was not trying to get Serge in.

what, so he could flop again?
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If we ever get one of these again, I'm gonna try to push for Illidan.

Maybe. (Arthas and Thrall weren't the right Warcraft picks)
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The Mana Sword posted...

ya go my crono

He ended up looking alright!
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Altair > Ezio can't be true
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LeonhartFour posted...

pjbasis posted...

Biggest regret of the contest was not trying to get Serge in.

what, so he could flop again?

With the right bracket placement he could win a match! Or at least secure a solid 2nd place win.
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Altair performed better in 2010 too. It's just their hierarchy for whatever reason.
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Mario is overrated in these stats, I expect that's because you used Leon's 2010 stats, which gave Mario a big upward adjustment.

At this point we should just use raw stats though, any set of adjusted stats becomes more the opinions of its author than anything else.
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Man I remember the days when X-stats were as debated and discussed as much as tier lists in fighting games or politics in the last few years
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pjbasis posted...

With the right bracket placement he could win a match! Or at least secure a solid 2nd place win.

second place is not a win in three-ways

you still get eliminated

red sox 777 posted...

any set of adjusted stats becomes more the opinions of its author than anything else.

Not really. Unless you're making arbitrary adjustments based on nothing, there's at least some data behind it. Some data can have multiple interpretations, just like any form of statistics.

I agree that Mario probably isn't as strong as KP's stats suggest though. I'd adjust him based on the Crono match rather than the 2010 X-Stats because I feel like 2010 Mario wins despite the LFF.
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LeonhartFour posted...

pjbasis posted...

With the right bracket placement he could win a match! Or at least secure a solid 2nd place win.

second place is not a win in three-ways

you still get eliminated

red sox 777 posted...

any set of adjusted stats becomes more the opinions of its author than anything else.

Not really. Unless you're making arbitrary adjustments based on nothing, there's at least some data behind it. Some data can have multiple interpretations, just like any form of statistics.

I agree that Mario probably isn't as strong as KP's stats suggest though. I'd adjust him based on the Crono match rather than the 2010 X-Stats because I feel like 2010 Mario wins despite the LFF.

We have so much data now that almost anything can be supported by some data. And with the sparseness of 1v1 matches relative to multi-way matches, we have a lot of characters who can be adjusted in many different ways. I don't mean that a user's opinions are wrong or don't have value, but my guess is everyone creating a list of adjusted stats will come up with something quite different.

It's not like 2003 where cn's unadjusted list added a lot of value, and then 2003/4 when there was little controversy about the first adjusted list.
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the only time adjusted stats were a dumb idea tainted by bias was the 2004 Games Contest because the adjustments are based on literally nothing

Plus, we're beyond the point where we're using X-Stats to try to predict everything, honestly. They're mostly interpretations of data these days.
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Can't wait to look at these while making my bracket in 2019 and then realize all of it will be for naught when [flavor of the month] wins the contest.
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Now that I think about it, I always meant to try to do adjusted stats for the Games Contest but never did since we got a crapton of bonus data from the bonus matches and from Allen himself. Of course, I'd expect some contradiction between the data, but it'd be fun to work it out.
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2013 Re-Seeded by Adjusted X-Stats Bracket

Division 1
1-Link
18-Yoshimitsu
27-Reyn
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6-Revolver Ocelot
13-Lightning
22-Guybrush Threepwood
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9-Lara Croft
10-Roxas
19-Viewtiful Joe
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2-Luigi
17-Sandbag
26-Peacock
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5-Leon Kennedy
14-Wheatley
23-Chie Satonaka
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8-Altair
11-Urdnot Wrex
20-Lee Everett
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3-Zero (Mega Man X)
16-Lucina
25-Teemo
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4-Aerith Gainsborough
15-Duke Nukem
24-Meat Boy
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7-Captain Falcon
12-Falco Lombardi
21-Lu Bu

Division 2
1-Pikachu
18-Balthier Bunansa
27-Chester
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6-Vincent Valentine
13-Locke Cole
22-Corvo Attano
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9-Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik
10-Master Chief
19-Banjo
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2-Sephiroth
17-Fei Fong Wong
26-Captain Viridian
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5-Sub-Zero
14-Kratos
23-Groose
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8-Tidus
11-KOS-MOS
20-Bomberman
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3-Mewtwo
16-Hal "Otacon" Emmerich
25-Red Bird
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4-GlaDOS
15-Heavy
24-Max Payne
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7-Missingno
12-Pyramid Head
21-Steve

Division 3
1-Samus
18-Peach
27-Francis York Morgan
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6-Scorpion
13-Crash Bandicoot
22-Tingle
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9-Lenneth Valkyrie
10-Rydia
19-Shulk
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2-Auron
17-Laharl
26-Alan Wake
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5-Zack Fair
14-Solaire of Astora
23-Isaac Clarke
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8-Garrus Vakarian
11-Magus
20-Mr. Game and Watch
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3-Kirby
16-Lyndis
25-Dunban
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4-Ryu
15-Catherine
24-Cirno
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7-Ike
12-Midna
21-Clementine

Division 4
1-Sonic the Hedgehog
18-Missile
27-Welkin Gunther
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6-Amaterasu
13-Bayonetta
22-Tommy Vercetti
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9-Gilgamesh
10-Chun-Li
19-Niko Bellic
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2-Mega Man X
17-Cole MacGrath
26-Armstrong
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5-Epona
14-Wario
23-Marisa Kirisame
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8-Claptrap
11-Lugia
20-CATS
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3-Big Boss
16-Neku Sakuraba
25-Commander Keen
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4-Dante
15-Jigglypuff
24-The King of All Cosmos
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7-Ness
12-Ramza Beoulve
21-Geno

Division 5
1-Mega Man
18-Kratos Aurion
27-Yuri Hyuga
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6-Zidane Tribal
13-Ratchet
22-Kain
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9-Ridley
10-Shadow the Hedgehog
19-Seifer Almasy
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2-Squall Leonhart
17-Yu Narukami
26-Zero (999)
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5-Rikku
14-Rayman
23-Dan Hibiki
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8-Yuna
11-Nathan Drake
20-Agent 47
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3-Pokemon Trainer Red
16-Prinny
25-Jade
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4-Kefka
15-John Marston
24-Kat
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7-Riku
12-Waluigi
21-Sly Cooper

Division 6
1-Mario
18-Boko
27-Commander Video
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6-? Block
13-Spyro the Dragon
22-Travis Touchdown
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9-Donkey Kong
10-Marth
19-Isaac (BoI)
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2-L-Block
17-Juliet Starling
26-Kaim Argonar
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5-Magikarp
14-Pit
23-Recette Lemongrass
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8-Ryu Hayabusa
11-Big Daddy
20-Nightmare
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3-Bowser
16-Simon Belmont
25-Hades
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4-Commander Shepard
15-Adam Jensen
24-Raz
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7-Gordon Freeman
12-Chrom
21-Oliver
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Division 7
1-Tifa Lockheart
18-Miles Edeworth
27-Caim
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6-The Boss
13-Palutena
22-Vaas Montenegro
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9-Morrigan Aensland
10-Tom Nook
19-Sarah Kerrigan
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2-Vivi
17-Rinoa Heartilly
26-Nier
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5-Pokemon Trainer Blue
14-Booker Dewitt
23-Vyse
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8-Phoenix Wright
11-Jill Valentine
20-Tiny Tina
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3-Zelda
16-Poison
25-Draven
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4-Sora
15-Hero (DQV)
24-Jade Curtiss
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7-Frog
12-Pac-Man
21-Ragna the Bloodedge

Division 8
1-Solid Snake
18-Aya Brea
27-Sissel
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6-Alucard
13-Elizabeth
22-Demi-Fiend
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9-Raiden
10-Lloyd Irving
19-Little Mac
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2-Yoshi
17-Tharja
26-Adol Christin
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5-Fox McCloud
14-Celes Chere
23-Archer
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8-Dracula
11-Cecil Harvey
20-N
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3-Squirtle
16-Wolf McDonald
25-Fawful
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4-Terra Branford
15-Miles "Tails" Prower
24-JC Denton
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7-Barret Wallace
12-Isaac (Golden Sun)
21-Creeper

Division 9
1-Crono
18-Slime
27-Spring Breeze Dancin'
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6-Weighted Companion Cube
13-Captain Olimar
22-Face McShooty
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9-Ezio Auditore da Firenze
10-Knuckles the Echidna
19-Handsome Jack
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2-Cloud
17-Jak
26-Sackboy
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5-Dragonborn
14-Professor Layton
23-Mike Haggar
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8-Meta Knight
11-Mordin Solus
20-Thrall
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3-Charizard
16-Claire Redfield
25-Frank West
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4-Ganondorf
15-Yuri Lowell
24-Wander
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7-Proto Man
12-Albert Wesker
21-Reimu Hakurei
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LeonhartFour posted...

Now that I think about it, I always meant to try to do adjusted stats for the Games Contest but never did since we got a crapton of bonus data from the bonus matches and from Allen himself. Of course, I'd expect some contradiction between the data, but it'd be fun to work it out.

I made one of those soon after the contest ended - I'll put it up here if you want to take a look.

https://pastebin.com/63ycDBKR
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Kind of shocked that the Red Bird ended up so low. This contest was at the height of Angry Bird fever. I had him winning his first match. And then he barely got anything.
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red bird was my greatest failure

also angry birds was like 3 years past its prime when this contest happened
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GameFAQs doesn't care about mobile gaming
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The Mana Sword posted...

ya go my crono

Crono ended up doing pretty alright for himself, considering how strong Pikachu performed. And at the very least, he has a solid excuse of massive LFF. Cloud has no such luck !
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Alanna82 posted...

This contest was at the height of Angry Bird fever.

Not quite.

the movie hadn't come out at that time after all
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LeonhartFour posted...

second place is not a win in three-ways

you still get eliminated

I know, but it's something!

I enjoyed Cole Macgrath's 2nd place win. Raiden > Yoshi was also fun
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It can occasionally be fun, like when it embarrasses another character to be weaker than someone else, like when Missile finished second ahead of Kerrigan.

remember when people thought Kerrigan could beat Vincent?
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