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viewmaster_pi 04/27/17 11:13:45 AM #51: |
meingott posted...
ITP children on gamefaqs try to posture as being intellectuals even though they've never studied any holy book in any real capacity lmao ITP means in this post, I think. You meant ITT --- Hope rides alone. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vindris_SNH 04/27/17 11:14:44 AM #52: |
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
meingott posted...ITP children on gamefaqs try to posture as being intellectuals even though they've never studied any holy book in any real capacity lmao It's amazing how far people will go to diminish the Bible to convince themselves it's not the truth, just so they don't have to deal with the responsibilities that come with believing in God. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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meingott 04/27/17 11:16:26 AM #54: |
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
meingott posted...ITP children on gamefaqs try to posture as being intellectuals even though they've never studied any holy book in any real capacity lmao imagine thinking that historical texts are the same as LotR or HP --- These people are literally ignorant of the law. It's astounding. As the situation escalates I will come out victorious. - DawkinsNumber4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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meingott 04/27/17 11:16:36 AM #55: |
viewmaster_pi posted...
meingott posted...ITP children on gamefaqs try to posture as being intellectuals even though they've never studied any holy book in any real capacity lmao In these posts --- These people are literally ignorant of the law. It's astounding. As the situation escalates I will come out victorious. - DawkinsNumber4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vindris_SNH 04/27/17 11:17:21 AM #57: |
viewmaster_pi posted...
Vindris_SNH posted...It all boils down to treating everyone with love. Because it's almost always easier to do what is wrong. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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viewmaster_pi 04/27/17 11:17:22 AM #58: |
Asherlee10 posted...
When someone says something like "the overall message is love." It's hard to accept that when all the other nonsense exists in that book. Can't help but wonder why the reader has to dig up and interpret this message instead of it being communicated normally. --- Hope rides alone. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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meingott 04/27/17 11:18:08 AM #59: |
Asherlee10 posted...
Vindris_SNH posted...Asherlee10 posted...it takes a lot of mental gymnastics to make sense of the Bible murder and human sacrifice were outlawed, absurd laws were absurd on purpose for a good reason (explained in the OT more than once), slavery was tolerated because it was a function of that period in time and many bad things were tolerated since the jews were in a transitionary period, etc. --- These people are literally ignorant of the law. It's astounding. As the situation escalates I will come out victorious. - DawkinsNumber4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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meingott 04/27/17 11:18:44 AM #60: |
Vindris_SNH posted...
viewmaster_pi posted...Vindris_SNH posted...It all boils down to treating everyone with love. And because people are really lazy. Why think hard about something when you can not think hard about it? The same is true when people argue for/against the Quran, etc. People on both sides are so fucking lazy. --- These people are literally ignorant of the law. It's astounding. As the situation escalates I will come out victorious. - DawkinsNumber4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GOATSLAYER 04/27/17 11:19:35 AM #62: |
Saloonist posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...Saloonist posted...Free will isn't license to do evil If he didn't want anyone to ever do "evil things" then why give people free will in the first place? You can't call it free will if you're forced to obey him or else you'll be punished --- Hide your kids, hide your goats ... Copied to Clipboard!
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meingott 04/27/17 11:20:27 AM #63: |
Asherlee10 posted...
meingott posted...Asherlee10 posted...Vindris_SNH posted...Asherlee10 posted...it takes a lot of mental gymnastics to make sense of the Bible "Anything I disagree with is mental gymnastics" You listed sacrifice as a negative. That's literally banned in the Jewish religion. How is that mental gymnastics? It is literally banned. Therefore it's not a valid argument. --- These people are literally ignorant of the law. It's astounding. As the situation escalates I will come out victorious. - DawkinsNumber4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Saloonist 04/27/17 11:22:00 AM #64: |
GOATSLAYER posted...
Saloonist posted...ChromaticAngel posted...Saloonist posted...Free will isn't license to do evil Do you think the fact that the US legal system bars you from murdering, means you don't have free will? --- BasileosPetros, KhanofKhans, CokeZero, and many more ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vindris_SNH 04/27/17 11:22:22 AM #65: |
Asherlee10 posted...
It's amazing what religious people will ignore in order to believe that their holy book is somehow truth. Some people are like that, sure. I'm not one of them. I've studied the Bible thoroughly. I refuse to waste my life on something that isn't true. There's nothing I have to ignore in order to believe the Bible is the truth. I think if people actually took the time to study Christianity with an open mind, their views on it would change. But you have to seek answers for yourself. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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J E S U S 04/27/17 11:23:48 AM #66: |
ChromaticAngel posted...
Saloonist posted...Free will isn't license to do evil God is a liberal --- *imaginary* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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viewmaster_pi 04/27/17 11:24:04 AM #67: |
GOATSLAYER posted...
If he didn't want anyone to ever do "evil things" then why give people free will in the first place? You can't call it free will if you're forced to obey him or else you'll be punished Some people say the apple Adam and Eve ate gave them free will and God never intended for it to happen. --- Hope rides alone. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 04/27/17 11:27:02 AM #68: |
Asherlee10 posted...
meingott posted...Asherlee10 posted...Vindris_SNH posted...Asherlee10 posted...it takes a lot of mental gymnastics to make sense of the Bible To be fair to Christians, most of the most horrible stories you will hear are from the Old Testament. While the things Christianity focuses on is the teachings of Jesus. Which are pretty peaceful. Attacking religion with Noah's ark and the plagues is more of an attack on the Jews than it is an attack on Christianity. Usually the Christians who invoke the old testament at all are doing so to just find excuses to be dicks about things. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GOATSLAYER 04/27/17 11:27:16 AM #69: |
Saloonist posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...Saloonist posted...ChromaticAngel posted...Saloonist posted...Free will isn't license to do evil It's not the same thing. Are you familiar with the term "hobson's choice"? That's basically what it is. The illusion of free will --- Hide your kids, hide your goats ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 04/27/17 11:27:56 AM #70: |
Vindris_SNH posted...
There's nothing I have to ignore in order to believe the Bible is the truth. Kinda is actually. Or at least to accept that God is an inconsistent capricous asswipe who deserves condemnation not worship. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChromaticAngel 04/27/17 11:28:31 AM #71: |
Vindris_SNH posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...meingott posted...ITP children on gamefaqs try to posture as being intellectuals even though they've never studied any holy book in any real capacity lmao Believing in god is what absolves you of responsibility. You no longer have to seek forgiveness from the people you've hurt. You only have to seek it from God. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Saloonist 04/27/17 11:28:59 AM #72: |
GOATSLAYER posted...
Saloonist posted...GOATSLAYER posted...Saloonist posted...ChromaticAngel posted...Saloonist posted...Free will isn't license to do evil A hobson's choice is perfectly justified when the alternatives are either 1) try to be as good as a human can be or 2) be evil. --- BasileosPetros, KhanofKhans, CokeZero, and many more ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vindris_SNH 04/27/17 11:29:01 AM #73: |
Asherlee10 posted...
Vindris_SNH posted...Asherlee10 posted...it takes a lot of mental gymnastics to make sense of the Bible Didn't see this post earlier... but let me address it. What a lot of people have a problem with is the Old Testament, and how different God seemed in it. Then all of the sudden he turns into this hippie in the New Testament. If you read the Bible in its entirety it makes perfect sense. God had to establish His authority and make a name for Himself. He had a plan from the beginning. The Old Testament is a set up for what happens in the New Testament. It's a backdrop. It's important to see where everything started. God is a big picture kinda guy. A thousand years to him is like a millisecond to us. Some things we aren't meant to fully understand. But God always encouraged love, even throughout the Old Testament. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GOATSLAYER 04/27/17 11:30:29 AM #74: |
Saloonist posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...Saloonist posted...GOATSLAYER posted...Saloonist posted...ChromaticAngel posted...Saloonist posted...Free will isn't license to do evil Why give us the opportunity to be evil if you're just going to kill us if we go down that path? He should've just made us robots that completely obey him in that case --- Hide your kids, hide your goats ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vindris_SNH 04/27/17 11:31:10 AM #75: |
ChromaticAngel posted...
Vindris_SNH posted...Anarchy_Juiblex posted...meingott posted...ITP children on gamefaqs try to posture as being intellectuals even though they've never studied any holy book in any real capacity lmao That's not what the Bible says. "Confess your sins to each other" - James 5:16 --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 04/27/17 11:31:58 AM #77: |
Vindris_SNH posted...
Asherlee10 posted...Vindris_SNH posted...Asherlee10 posted...it takes a lot of mental gymnastics to make sense of the Bible This is a common stance among Christianity and I understand it (In fact I just parroted it myself) but there is no way to hold this view and still maintain that the Old Testament is true. God doesn't just have a change of heart, hes an absolute cretin. The only way to maintain the Christian values as they like to presented in the mainstream is to take the old testament as mainly allegories and at best Big Fish retelling of events. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChromaticAngel 04/27/17 11:32:26 AM #78: |
Vindris_SNH posted...
Asherlee10 posted...Vindris_SNH posted...Asherlee10 posted...it takes a lot of mental gymnastics to make sense of the Bible God encouraged David to go kill fucktons of people to reclaim the holy land. God is as much about love as Odin. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vindris_SNH 04/27/17 11:32:28 AM #79: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Vindris_SNH posted...There's nothing I have to ignore in order to believe the Bible is the truth. You clearly don't understand the Bible or God. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vindris_SNH 04/27/17 11:34:36 AM #81: |
ChromaticAngel posted...
Vindris_SNH posted...Asherlee10 posted...Vindris_SNH posted...Asherlee10 posted...it takes a lot of mental gymnastics to make sense of the Bible People who openly defied God were punished more harshly back then because during that period God was working on making Himself known throughout the world. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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viewmaster_pi 04/27/17 11:35:13 AM #82: |
Vindris_SNH posted...
If you read the Bible in its entirety it makes perfect sense. God had to establish His authority and make a name for Himself. He had a plan from the beginning. The Old Testament is a set up for what happens in the New Testament. It's a backdrop. It's important to see where everything started. God is a big picture kinda guy. A thousand years to him is like a millisecond to us. Some things we aren't meant to fully understand. You have to dig for this interpretation yourself. It's too easy. All you believe is that it was a power play? It sounds like you'd sweep anything under the rug because "we're not supposed to understand everything", anyway. That sounds like blind faith. It sounds like the classic example of believing your version of Christianity that you have interpreted for yourself, rather than what everyone else believes. It's too convenient. --- Hope rides alone. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Saloonist 04/27/17 11:35:41 AM #83: |
GOATSLAYER posted...
... Christian theology says free will is a gift, but having the option to do evil is not an excuse for doing so. Just as much as any of us are never justified in killing or raping even though we have free will. Free choice in no way diminishes guilt for evil. --- BasileosPetros, KhanofKhans, CokeZero, and many more ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GOATSLAYER 04/27/17 11:36:10 AM #84: |
Vindris_SNH posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...Vindris_SNH posted...There's nothing I have to ignore in order to believe the Bible is the truth. You said that there's nothing you have to ignore in order to believe that the bible is true, so can you explain something to me? Dinosaurs. They existed millions of years ago and we have the fossil remains to prove it. But that directly contradicts the bible which definitely didn't begin during that time period. So how exactly does that work? --- Hide your kids, hide your goats ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 04/27/17 11:36:48 AM #86: |
GOATSLAYER posted...
The even bigger factor in this that he will never address is that no matter how you interpret the text, God expresses regret: The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every cintention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And dthe Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it egrieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.” But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord. The casual admission that God believes he fucked up is one that clashes with Christianity even harder than than the fact Noah is 600 years old or the fact God wanted to murder everyone. It puts into perspective that even if A Christian God had a plan and even if God is real, he's like humans, capable of anger, jealousy and fucking up --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rexdragon125 04/27/17 11:37:55 AM #87: |
>Gives people free will
>Gets mad and kills people when they disobey him >Knew his own creations would do that, being omnipotent and all >Trust him, he has a plan! lolno. That's textbook abusive ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Saloonist 04/27/17 11:38:50 AM #88: |
Rexdragon125 posted...
>Gives people free will Nice to see you are seriously engaging with the issues. --- BasileosPetros, KhanofKhans, CokeZero, and many more ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 04/27/17 11:39:35 AM #90: |
Clashes more with fundamentalist Christians*
I should elaborate. It doesn't clash with liberal Christians who look at the stories as alagories. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rexdragon125 04/27/17 11:39:56 AM #91: |
Saloonist posted...
Rexdragon125 posted...>Gives people free will Good thing you were able to feel superior while shitposting too ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 04/27/17 11:40:24 AM #92: |
I wish the Bible was written like a more typical fantasy novel. It's too all over the place. We need a reboot.
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Error1355 04/27/17 11:40:31 AM #93: |
--- This life is just a game we play, that we can never win. But don't give up, no don't give up. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChromaticAngel 04/27/17 11:41:12 AM #94: |
But to answer the question...
My favorite part was when god was creating all the animals, he created the Leviathan and the Behemoth who were so large that they'd destroy the world if they reproduced so he then killed the female and castrated the male. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ManWithGun 04/27/17 11:41:38 AM #95: |
My favorite part is when Jesus dies so that ALL men can find redemption, and not just Gods chosen in the Old Testament.
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Saloonist 04/27/17 11:42:36 AM #97: |
Rexdragon125 posted...
Saloonist posted...Rexdragon125 posted...>Gives people free will How am I shitposting? People are offering countarguments which you could address, but instead you choose to ridicule and caricature what they're saying. If you have a reasonable counterargument, then why don't you offer that instead of strawmen? --- BasileosPetros, KhanofKhans, CokeZero, and many more ... Copied to Clipboard!
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protestTHEhero 04/27/17 11:42:56 AM #98: |
You guys need to get some fresh air. Lol.
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viewmaster_pi 04/27/17 11:43:13 AM #99: |
ChromaticAngel posted...
My favorite part was when god was creating all the animals, he created the Leviathan and the Behemoth who were so large that they'd destroy the world if they reproduced so he then killed the female and castrated the male. We all make mistakes --- Hope rides alone. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 04/27/17 11:44:42 AM #100: |
viewmaster_pi posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...My favorite part was when god was creating all the animals, he created the Leviathan and the Behemoth who were so large that they'd destroy the world if they reproduced so he then killed the female and castrated the male. Then God isn't who Christians says he is. Not that it matters since, at the end of the day, our favorite characters don't exist in the real world. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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