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Saloonist 04/27/17 11:45:37 AM #101:	hockeybub89 posted... viewmaster_pi posted... ChromaticAngel posted... My favorite part was when god was creating all the animals, he created the Leviathan and the Behemoth who were so large that they'd destroy the world if they reproduced so he then killed the female and castrated the male. We all make mistakes Then God isn't who Christians says he is. Not that it matters since, at the end of the day, our favorite characters don't exist in the real world. That's only true if you think Christians take the Bible literally. --- BasileosPetros, KhanofKhans, CokeZero, and many more <cite>Saloonist posted [p:878004696] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>viewmaster_pi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote>My favorite part was when god was creating all the animals, he created the Leviathan and the Behemoth who were so large that they'd destroy the world if they reproduced so he then killed the female and castrated the male.</quote> We all make mistakes</quote> Then God isn't who Christians says he is. Not that it matters since, at the end of the day, our favorite characters don't exist in the real world.</quote> That's only true if you think Christians take the Bible literally.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 04/27/17 11:46:45 AM #102:	hockeybub89 posted... Then God isn't who Christians says he is. God works in mysterious ways. --- *Hope rides alone.* <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:878004755] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Then God isn't who Christians says he is.</quote> God works in mysterious ways.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 04/27/17 11:47:46 AM #103:	Saloonist posted... That's only true if you think Christians take the Bible literally. Some do. And even 1 is too many. --- *Hope rides alone.* <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:878004816] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote>That's only true if you think Christians take the Bible literally.</quote> Some do. And even 1 is too many.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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philsov 04/27/17 11:48:35 AM #105:	my favorite part of the bible is when He sometimes gets in the way of the free will for the exact purpose of just showing off his powers. God hardened the pharaoh's heart. --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. <cite>philsov posted [p:878004864] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote>my favorite part of the bible is when He sometimes gets in the way of the free will for the exact purpose of just showing off his powers. God hardened the pharaoh's heart. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 04/27/17 11:48:42 AM #106:	viewmaster_pi posted... hockeybub89 posted... Then God isn't who Christians says he is. God works in mysterious ways. If I nuke two cities killing thousands and thousands because I don't like how they were having sex, am I working in mysterious ways or am I just an asshole? --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:878004872] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>viewmaster_pi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Then God isn't who Christians says he is.</quote> God works in mysterious ways.</quote> If I nuke two cities killing thousands and thousands because I don't like how they were having sex, am I working in mysterious ways or am I just an asshole?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManWithGun 04/27/17 11:49:27 AM #107:	The think about Jesus is he was always telling stories to make a point. It makes me question just about anything he says as if it was literal or not. --- Heeeey <cite>ManWithGun posted [p:878004922] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote>The think about Jesus is he was always telling stories to make a point. It makes me question just about anything he says as if it was literal or not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManWithGun 04/27/17 11:50:35 AM #108:	ChromaticAngel posted... viewmaster_pi posted... hockeybub89 posted... Then God isn't who Christians says he is. God works in mysterious ways. If I nuke two cities killing thousands and thousands because I don't like how they were having sex, am I working in mysterious ways or am I just an asshole? The people of S&D were actually pretty vile. --- Heeeey <cite>ManWithGun posted [p:878004983] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>viewmaster_pi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Then God isn't who Christians says he is.</quote> God works in mysterious ways.</quote> If I nuke two cities killing thousands and thousands because I don't like how they were having sex, am I working in mysterious ways or am I just an asshole?</quote> The people of S&D were actually pretty vile.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 04/27/17 11:51:08 AM #109:	ChromaticAngel posted... If I nuke two cities killing thousands and thousands because I don't like how they were having sex, am I working in mysterious ways or am I just an asshole? He destroyed those people for the greater good of mankind. Their filth and sheer unadulterated sinfulness could NOT be given the chance to infect other good God-fearing people. He destroyed them out of love. --- *Hope rides alone.* <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:878005011] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote>If I nuke two cities killing thousands and thousands because I don't like how they were having sex, am I working in mysterious ways or am I just an asshole?</quote> He destroyed those people for the greater good of mankind. Their filth and sheer unadulterated sinfulness could NOT be given the chance to infect other good God-fearing people. He destroyed them out of love.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 04/27/17 11:51:48 AM #110:	ManWithGun posted... ChromaticAngel posted... viewmaster_pi posted... hockeybub89 posted... Then God isn't who Christians says he is. God works in mysterious ways. If I nuke two cities killing thousands and thousands because I don't like how they were having sex, am I working in mysterious ways or am I just an asshole? The people of S&D were actually pretty vile. they were having anal sex --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:878005048] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>ManWithGun posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>viewmaster_pi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Then God isn't who Christians says he is.</quote> God works in mysterious ways.</quote> If I nuke two cities killing thousands and thousands because I don't like how they were having sex, am I working in mysterious ways or am I just an asshole?</quote> The people of S&D were actually pretty vile.</quote> they were having anal sex</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Saloonist 04/27/17 11:55:20 AM #111:	Asherlee10 posted... Saloonist posted... That's only true if you think Christians take the Bible literally. Something else I struggle with, too. Some say the Bible is a historical text. If that's the case, would it be fair for me to take the History of U.S. and not read and accept it as it is (fact)? Some say the Bible is truth. If that's the case, shouldn't truth be taken as it is written, not danced around? Some things are clearly allegorical like the genesis story and have been seen as such as early as St. Augustine. The Bible is clearly not concerned primarily with history, nor did the concept of" history" as we know it even exist at the time the Bible was written. This is especially true for the Old Testament. That doesn't mean you cant gain some historical insight from it. If the Bible says X was king during Time Y, that's something you can go back an verify. As to the question of truth I'll defer to Pontius Pilate, "What is truth?" --- BasileosPetros, KhanofKhans, CokeZero, and many more <cite>Saloonist posted [p:878005250] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote>That's only true if you think Christians take the Bible literally.</quote> Something else I struggle with, too. Some say the Bible is a historical text. If that's the case, would it be fair for me to take the History of U.S. and not read and accept it as it is (fact)? Some say the Bible is truth. If that's the case, shouldn't truth be taken as it is written, not danced around?</quote> Some things are clearly allegorical like the genesis story and have been seen as such as early as St. Augustine. The Bible is clearly not concerned primarily with history, nor did the concept of" history" as we know it even exist at the time the Bible was written. This is especially true for the Old Testament. That doesn't mean you cant gain some historical insight from it. If the Bible says X was king during Time Y, that's something you can go back an verify. As to the question of truth I'll defer to Pontius Pilate, "What is truth?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 04/27/17 11:56:55 AM #112:	ChromaticAngel posted... they were having anal sex And like rabid mangey dogs they were put down, what's your fucking point --- *Hope rides alone.* <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:878005348] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote>they were having anal sex</quote> And like rabid mangey dogs they were put down, what's your fucking point</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rexdragon125 04/27/17 11:58:18 AM #113:	But anal is the sex that god can't see <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:878005420] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote>But anal is the sex that god can't see</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Error1355 04/27/17 11:59:06 AM #114:	Asherlee10 posted... Error1355 posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr_B2IOUYSw Very good song and applicable to the topic. One of my favorite songs. --- This life is just a game we play, that we can never win. But don't give up, no don't give up. <cite>Error1355 posted [p:878005464] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Error1355 posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr_B2IOUYSw</quote> Very good song and applicable to the topic.</quote> One of my favorite songs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 04/27/17 12:00:32 PM #115:	Rexdragon125 posted... But anal is the sex that god can't see Exactly, that shit spites him. And you know what happens when God gets mad... Poof. --- *Hope rides alone.* <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:878005531] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rexdragon125 posted...</cite> <quote>But anal is the sex that god can't see</quote> Exactly, that shit spites him. And you know what happens when God gets mad... Poof.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
philsov 04/27/17 12:06:14 PM #116:	viewmaster_pi posted... And you know what happens when God gets mad... Poof. Past tense, yes. When God got mad. He hasn't gotten mad in a very long time, and we as a race have been doing lots of genocide and anal sexin' without any sort of poof. --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. <cite>philsov posted [p:878005830] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>viewmaster_pi posted...</cite> <quote>And you know what happens when God gets mad... Poof.</quote> Past tense, yes. When God got mad. He hasn't gotten mad in a very long time, and we as a race have been doing lots of genocide and anal sexin' without any sort of poof. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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viewmaster_pi 04/27/17 12:09:40 PM #118:	I SAID... Poof!! --- *Hope rides alone.* <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:878006037] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote>I SAID... Poof!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/27/17 1:20:55 PM #119:	Asherlee10 posted... Saloonist posted... That's only true if you think Christians take the Bible literally. Something else I struggle with, too. Some say the Bible is a historical text. If that's the case, would it be fair for me to take the History of U.S. and not read and accept it as it is (fact)? Some say the Bible is truth. If that's the case, shouldn't truth be taken as it is written, not danced around? I think this is a false dichotomy. For starters different stories in the bible differ greatly in context. Genesis is absolutely full of bizarre wording and events that make it one of the hardest parts of the bible to take literally, even before you get to the stuff that doesn't scientifically add up. I mean after the flood there's passages about God enjoying the smell of sacrifices. It's weird. But also you can have a story you believe in or was based in reality, but is told as an alagory. Sticking with Noah's flood example, there were a lot of floods, some of which were devistating and there were a lot of flood myth stories about how people survived. You can view Noah's ark as a story about the value of belief, God's rewards, new begins, rebirth and the flood as a punishment for fear or evil. Similar to the Universe being created in 6 days and God resting on the 7th. Why would the God of the bible need to rest and why would it take him 6 days to do anything? Well because there's an argument to be made that a "day" in that context was just a peroid of time. Which could be any length. You can accept the bible as "the truth." and as a "reflection of history" pretty easily so long as you don't take it literally. Especially Genesis and Revelation The question then becomes is it beneficial to do so? I strongly say no. But I'm a minority on that. A couple of bad metaphors: Big Fish: A guy tells a group of young teens that when he was on vacation in Hollywood all the chicks where all over him and begging him to fuck them because he was such a player. After turning down flocks of hot women he banged movie stars. Only to then discover he got STDs. Now he is telling kids to always use protection and it's not cool to sleep around, And then the reality is he got drunk at a party where he was trying to creep on movie stars and then had drunk awkward sex with Anna-Maria Everett once. The story is still true in principal and the moral is still there. He's just phrased in away that supports his worldview and that the people he is talking to will more likely respond to. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:878010280] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote>That's only true if you think Christians take the Bible literally.</quote> Something else I struggle with, too. Some say the Bible is a historical text. If that's the case, would it be fair for me to take the History of U.S. and not read and accept it as it is (fact)? Some say the Bible is truth. If that's the case, shouldn't truth be taken as it is written, not danced around?</quote> I think this is a false dichotomy. For starters different stories in the bible differ greatly in context. Genesis is absolutely full of bizarre wording and events that make it one of the hardest parts of the bible to take literally, even before you get to the stuff that doesn't scientifically add up. I mean after the flood there's passages about God enjoying the smell of sacrifices. It's weird. But also you can have a story you believe in or was based in reality, but is told as an alagory. Sticking with Noah's flood example, there were a lot of floods, some of which were devistating and there were a lot of flood myth stories about how people survived. You can view Noah's ark as a story about the value of belief, God's rewards, new begins, rebirth and the flood as a punishment for fear or evil. Similar to the Universe being created in 6 days and God resting on the 7th. Why would the God of the bible need to rest and why would it take him 6 days to do anything? Well because there's an argument to be made that a "day" in that context was just a peroid of time. Which could be any length. You can accept the bible as "the truth." and as a "reflection of history" pretty easily so long as you don't take it literally. Especially Genesis and Revelation The question then becomes is it beneficial to do so? I strongly say no. But I'm a minority on that. A couple of bad metaphors: Big Fish: A guy tells a group of young teens that when he was on vacation in Hollywood all the chicks where all over him and begging him to fuck them because he was such a player. After turning down flocks of hot women he banged movie stars. Only to then discover he got STDs. Now he is telling kids to always use protection and it's not cool to sleep around, And then the reality is he got drunk at a party where he was trying to creep on movie stars and then had drunk awkward sex with Anna-Maria Everett once. The story is still true in principal and the moral is still there. He's just phrased in away that supports his worldview and that the people he is talking to will more likely respond to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/27/17 1:21:03 PM #120:	Or alternatively, truth but how you phrase it metaphor: Going with your "US history" example. Look no further than the account of Benedict Arnold. Literally without telling any lies the story can be told that he bretrayed America or that he was betrayed himself just based solely on how you phrase it. And most American schools other than serious academia, will phrase him as being an evil traitor, because that's kinda what they want to be true and what people who are hearing about him want to think. Just look: Arnold proved himself to be a brave, skilled leader, helping Ethan Allen’s troops capture Fort Ticonderoga in 1775 and then taking part in the unsuccessful attack on British Quebec later that year, which earned him a promotion to brigadier general. Arnold distinguished himself in campaigns at Lake Champlain, Ridgefield and Saratoga, and gained the support of George Washington. However, Arnold had enemies within the military and in 1777, a group of lower-ranking men were promoted ahead of him. Over the next several years, Arnold married a second time and he and his wife led a lavish lifestyle in Philadelphia, racking up substantial debt. Money problems and the resentment Arnold felt over not being promoted faster were factors in his decision to become a turncoat. In 1780, Arnold was given command of West Point, the American fort on the Hudson River in New York (and future home of the United States Military Academy, established in 1802). Arnold contacted Sir Henry Clinton, head of the British forces, and proposed handing over West Point and its men. On September 21 of that year, Arnold met with British Major John Andre and made his traitorous pact, in which the American was to receive a large sum of money and a high position in the British army. However, the conspiracy was uncovered and Andre was captured and killed. Arnold fled to the enemy side and went on to lead British troops in Virginia and Connecticut. He later moved to England, though he never received all of what he’d been promised by the British. The former American hero and patriot died in London, in relative obscurity, on June 14, 1801. I know it seems weird because now we have the Internet and such, but imagine this was the a gospel writting 1500 years ago. The story of Benedict Arnold is still true and the facts are still facts. But he could easily take the place of evil wicked victims of the flood in alagorical historic story about the revolutionary war. Just because of how you chose to tell the story. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:878010290] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote>Or alternatively, truth but how you phrase it metaphor: Going with your "US history" example. Look no further than the account of Benedict Arnold. Literally without telling any lies the story can be told that he bretrayed America or that he was betrayed himself just based solely on how you phrase it. And most American schools other than serious academia, will phrase him as being an evil traitor, because that's kinda what they want to be true and what people who are hearing about him want to think. Just look: Arnold proved himself to be a brave, skilled leader, helping Ethan Allen’s troops capture Fort Ticonderoga in 1775 and then taking part in the unsuccessful attack on British Quebec later that year, which earned him a promotion to brigadier general. Arnold distinguished himself in campaigns at Lake Champlain, Ridgefield and Saratoga, and gained the support of George Washington. However, Arnold had enemies within the military and in 1777, a group of lower-ranking men were promoted ahead of him. Over the next several years, Arnold married a second time and he and his wife led a lavish lifestyle in Philadelphia, racking up substantial debt. Money problems and the resentment Arnold felt over not being promoted faster were factors in his decision to become a turncoat. In 1780, Arnold was given command of West Point, the American fort on the Hudson River in New York (and future home of the United States Military Academy, established in 1802). Arnold contacted Sir Henry Clinton, head of the British forces, and proposed handing over West Point and its men. On September 21 of that year, Arnold met with British Major John Andre and made his traitorous pact, in which the American was to receive a large sum of money and a high position in the British army. However, the conspiracy was uncovered and Andre was captured and killed. Arnold fled to the enemy side and went on to lead British troops in Virginia and Connecticut. He later moved to England, though he never received all of what he’d been promised by the British. The former American hero and patriot died in London, in relative obscurity, on June 14, 1801. I know it seems weird because now we have the Internet and such, but imagine this was the a gospel writting 1500 years ago. The story of Benedict Arnold is still true and the facts are still facts. But he could easily take the place of evil wicked victims of the flood in alagorical historic story about the revolutionary war. Just because of how you chose to tell the story.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBiggerWiggle 04/27/17 1:23:01 PM #121:	No one is gonna read all that, unfair. --- I have trouble concentrating because I have 80HD. <cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted [p:878010411] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote>No one is gonna read all that, unfair.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/27/17 1:25:16 PM #122:	TheBiggerWiggle posted... No one is gonna read all that, unfair. I have more faith in CE than you do. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:878010550] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheBiggerWiggle posted...</cite> <quote>No one is gonna read all that, unfair.</quote> I have more faith in CE than you do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 04/27/17 1:29:40 PM #123:	ChromaticAngel posted... ManWithGun posted... ChromaticAngel posted... viewmaster_pi posted... hockeybub89 posted... Then God isn't who Christians says he is. God works in mysterious ways. If I nuke two cities killing thousands and thousands because I don't like how they were having sex, am I working in mysterious ways or am I just an asshole? The people of S&D were actually pretty vile. they were having anal sex It was actually a bit worse than that. God sent two angels down to speak with Lot and the men of the city showed up en masse to have sex with them whether the angels wanted to or not. Lot offered to send his daughters out to placate the men and they refused. So God glass sheeted the entire city and turn Lot's wife to a pillar of salt when she dared to look back on her home while it was being destroyed. Of course, this glosses over the myriad women and children who had nothing to do with it but were wiped out anyway, much less the animals who literally had nothing to do with it. The Old Testament is full of fucked up scenarios that often get handwaved, like when God ordered Joshua to kill every man, woman, child, animal, and TREE in a country because they worshipped a false god. --- If her hips don't break, you didn't "carry" hard enough" -SpunkySix <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:878010806] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ManWithGun posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>viewmaster_pi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Then God isn't who Christians says he is.</quote> God works in mysterious ways.</quote> If I nuke two cities killing thousands and thousands because I don't like how they were having sex, am I working in mysterious ways or am I just an asshole?</quote> The people of S&D were actually pretty vile.</quote> they were having anal sex</quote> It was actually a bit worse than that. God sent two angels down to speak with Lot and the men of the city showed up en masse to have sex with them whether the angels wanted to or not. Lot offered to send his daughters out to placate the men and they refused. So God glass sheeted the entire city and turn Lot's wife to a pillar of salt when she dared to look back on her home while it was being destroyed. Of course, this glosses over the myriad women and children who had nothing to do with it but were wiped out anyway, much less the animals who literally had nothing to do with it. The Old Testament is full of fucked up scenarios that often get handwaved, like when God ordered Joshua to kill every man, woman, child, animal, and TREE in a country because they worshipped a false god.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 04/27/17 1:37:48 PM #124:	Vindris_SNH posted... Asherlee10 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Asherlee10 posted... it takes a lot of mental gymnastics to make sense of the Bible Not at all. I've read the entire Bible myself. Pretty easy to understand its core message. It all boils down to treating everyone with love. I really struggle with this. There are many instances in the Bible that are quite awful when put into practice. There's murder, sacrifice, absurd laws, vague messages, God's bitchfits, slavery, etc. When someone says something like "the overall message is love." It's hard to accept that when all the other nonsense exists in that book. Didn't see this post earlier... but let me address it. What a lot of people have a problem with is the Old Testament, and how different God seemed in it. Then all of the sudden he turns into this hippie in the New Testament. If you read the Bible in its entirety it makes perfect sense. God had to establish His authority and make a name for Himself. He had a plan from the beginning. The Old Testament is a set up for what happens in the New Testament. It's a backdrop. It's important to see where everything started. God is a big picture kinda guy. A thousand years to him is like a millisecond to us. Some things we aren't meant to fully understand. But God always encouraged love, even throughout the Old Testament. >"Some things we aren't meant to fully understand." >Proceeds to describe how it all makes "perfect sense" <cite>Hexagon posted [p:878011289] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote> it takes a lot of mental gymnastics to make sense of the Bible</quote> Not at all. I've read the entire Bible myself. Pretty easy to understand its core message. It all boils down to treating everyone with love.</quote> I really struggle with this. There are many instances in the Bible that are quite awful when put into practice. There's murder, sacrifice, absurd laws, vague messages, God's bitchfits, slavery, etc. When someone says something like "the overall message is love." It's hard to accept that when all the other nonsense exists in that book.</quote> Didn't see this post earlier... but let me address it. What a lot of people have a problem with is the Old Testament, and how different God seemed in it. Then all of the sudden he turns into this hippie in the New Testament. If you read the Bible in its entirety it makes perfect sense. God had to establish His authority and make a name for Himself. He had a plan from the beginning. The Old Testament is a set up for what happens in the New Testament. It's a backdrop. It's important to see where everything started. God is a big picture kinda guy. A thousand years to him is like a millisecond to us. Some things we aren't meant to fully understand. But God always encouraged love, even throughout the Old Testament.</quote> >"Some things we aren't meant to fully understand." >Proceeds to describe how it all makes "perfect sense"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thrillwell 04/27/17 1:51:16 PM #125:	ITT: popular consensus of lemmings, not following a god but rather what global (lol national) media tells them to do. (or not to do) the real song for this topic... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU3xJH2dgb0 --- Novus Ordo Seclorum <cite>Thrillwell posted [p:878012150] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote>ITT: popular consensus of lemmings, not following a god but rather what global (lol national) media tells them to do. (or not to do) the real song for this topic... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU3xJH2dgb0</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 04/27/17 2:03:42 PM #126:	Thrillwell posted... ITT: popular consensus of lemmings, not following a god but rather what global (lol national) media tells them to do. (or not to do) the real song for this topic... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU3xJH2dgb0 Atheism has existed as long as theism, what does that have to do with the media though? <cite>Hexagon posted [p:878012913] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Thrillwell posted...</cite> <quote>ITT: popular consensus of lemmings, not following a god but rather what global (lol national) media tells them to do. (or not to do) the real song for this topic... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU3xJH2dgb0</quote> Atheism has existed as long as theism, what does that have to do with the media though?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightsasori 04/27/17 2:03:55 PM #127:	Asherlee10 posted... UnfairRepresent posted... To be fair to Christians, most of the most horrible stories you will hear are from the Old Testament. While the things Christianity focuses on is the teachings of Jesus. Which are pretty peaceful. Attacking religion with Noah's ark and the plagues is more of an attack on the Jews than it is an attack on Christianity. Usually the Christians who invoke the old testament at all are doing so to just find excuses to be dicks about things. There is still plenty wrong and cruel with the NT. Could you list them? Thrillwell posted... ITT: popular consensus of lemmings, not following a god but rather what global (lol national) media tells them to do. (or not to do) the real song for this topic... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU3xJH2dgb0 What an edgelord song. --- "Yare yare daze" ~ Jotaro Kujo "Children are pure, they know who's the strongest." ~ MaskDeSmith <cite>Lightsasori posted [p:878012924] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair to Christians, most of the most horrible stories you will hear are from the Old Testament. While the things Christianity focuses on is the teachings of Jesus. Which are pretty peaceful. Attacking religion with Noah's ark and the plagues is more of an attack on the Jews than it is an attack on Christianity. Usually the Christians who invoke the old testament at all are doing so to just find excuses to be dicks about things.</quote> There is still plenty wrong and cruel with the NT.</quote> Could you list them? <cite>Thrillwell posted...</cite> <quote>ITT: popular consensus of lemmings, not following a god but rather what global (lol national) media tells them to do. (or not to do) the real song for this topic... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU3xJH2dgb0</quote> What an edgelord song.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Marmitecashews 04/27/17 2:32:06 PM #128:	ChromaticAngel posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... meingott posted... ITP children on gamefaqs try to posture as being intellectuals even though they've never studied any holy book in any real capacity lmao Fiction is fiction. Arguing about LotR, HP, or Bible, don't matter. It's amazing how far people will go to diminish the Bible to convince themselves it's not the truth, just so they don't have to deal with the responsibilities that come with believing in God. Believing in god is what absolves you of responsibility. You no longer have to seek forgiveness from the people you've hurt. You only have to seek it from God. Is that why the churches didn't go to the police when they discovered sex abuse against children.? --- Breitbart has been caught lying so many times that you might as well call it Liebart. <cite>Marmitecashews posted [p:878014752] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>ITP children on gamefaqs try to posture as being intellectuals even though they've never studied any holy book in any real capacity lmao</quote> Fiction is fiction. Arguing about LotR, HP, or Bible, don't matter.</quote> It's amazing how far people will go to diminish the Bible to convince themselves it's not the truth, just so they don't have to deal with the responsibilities that come with believing in God.</quote> Believing in god is what absolves you of responsibility. You no longer have to seek forgiveness from the people you've hurt. You only have to seek it from God.</quote> Is that why the churches didn't go to the police when they discovered sex abuse against children.?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spanky1 04/27/17 3:31:08 PM #129:	I don't get the meta posts in this topic. It's just people debating about religion. Nothing wrong with that. Anyway, I like the part where the she-bears tore apart like 40 kids or something. One of my favorite parts about discussing the old testament is listening to the reasons why that was totally cool and God isn't evil for doing that. --- http://i.imgur.com/DCjoiZ0.jpg <cite>spanky1 posted [p:878018444] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote>I don't get the meta posts in this topic. It's just people debating about religion. Nothing wrong with that. Anyway, I like the part where the she-bears tore apart like 40 kids or something. One of my favorite parts about discussing the old testament is listening to the reasons why that was totally cool and God isn't evil for doing that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spanky1 04/27/17 3:35:10 PM #130:	Oh yeah! I also love the part where David buys his marriage with 200 foreskins. He killed his enemies and cut off the skin at the ends of their dicks, and presented them to King Saul (I like to think it was in one big pile in the throne room), and they counted them out right then and there so David could marry his daughter or something. Fucking. Metal. --- http://i.imgur.com/DCjoiZ0.jpg <cite>spanky1 posted [p:878018669] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote>Oh yeah! I also love the part where David buys his marriage with 200 foreskins. He killed his enemies and cut off the skin at the ends of their dicks, and presented them to King Saul (I like to think it was in one big pile in the throne room), and they counted them out right then and there so David could marry his daughter or something. Fucking. Metal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StrykerX 04/27/17 3:40:13 PM #131:	Thank God I'm an atheist. So much less confusing <cite>StrykerX posted [p:878018990] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote>Thank God I'm an atheist. So much less confusing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rexdragon125 04/27/17 3:44:33 PM #132:	I'm curious why God doesn't show up and start mass genocide when humans regularly commit atrocities magnitudes worse than the writers of the Old Testament could imagine <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:878019281] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote>I'm curious why God doesn't show up and start mass genocide when humans regularly commit atrocities magnitudes worse than the writers of the Old Testament could imagine</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Saloonist 04/27/17 3:49:53 PM #133:	fire_bolt posted... ChromaticAngel posted... ManWithGun posted... ChromaticAngel posted... viewmaster_pi posted... hockeybub89 posted... Then God isn't who Christians says he is. God works in mysterious ways. If I nuke two cities killing thousands and thousands because I don't like how they were having sex, am I working in mysterious ways or am I just an asshole? The people of S&D were actually pretty vile. they were having anal sex It was actually a bit worse than that. God sent two angels down to speak with Lot and the men of the city showed up en masse to have sex with them whether the angels wanted to or not. Lot offered to send his daughters out to placate the men and they refused. So God glass sheeted the entire city and turn Lot's wife to a pillar of salt when she dared to look back on her home while it was being destroyed. Of course, this glosses over the myriad women and children who had nothing to do with it but were wiped out anyway, much less the animals who literally had nothing to do with it. The Old Testament is full of fucked up scenarios that often get handwaved, like when God ordered Joshua to kill every man, woman, child, animal, and TREE in a country because they worshipped a false god. There is actually much debate about why Lot's wife was killed, ie by looking back was she identifying with the evildoers who were being punished? Was she taking joy in the destruction? Who knows? This has been debated for a long time. As to your second point, there is nothing wrong with God destroying men, women, or children. I've already argued this in another topic recently so I don't really feel like going in depth, but essentially: Christian theology already concedes that God has the right to destroy humanity on a whim because of how terrible its sins are. He withholds from doing so out of sheer mercy and love, but would be absolutely justified in its destruction. That is why God was not wrong in destroying humankind in the story of the Flood. In other words no human has a right to live absent God's will and mercy. God can destroy humanity in part or whole and be completely justified. If he withdraws the gift of life in a particular instance to further his will, then God is not blameworthy. Second, you must take into account that if the Bible is true, then God killing people is merely withdrawing them to the spiritual realm, where he will judge them in accordance with his perfect justice. Thus if by chance any (relative) innocents were killed, since no human is innocent at all, the God will put judge them accordingly. --- BasileosPetros, KhanofKhans, CokeZero, and many more <cite>Saloonist posted [p:878019644] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ManWithGun posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>viewmaster_pi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Then God isn't who Christians says he is.</quote> God works in mysterious ways.</quote> If I nuke two cities killing thousands and thousands because I don't like how they were having sex, am I working in mysterious ways or am I just an asshole?</quote> The people of S&D were actually pretty vile.</quote> they were having anal sex</quote> It was actually a bit worse than that. God sent two angels down to speak with Lot and the men of the city showed up en masse to have sex with them whether the angels wanted to or not. Lot offered to send his daughters out to placate the men and they refused. So God glass sheeted the entire city and turn Lot's wife to a pillar of salt when she dared to look back on her home while it was being destroyed. Of course, this glosses over the myriad women and children who had nothing to do with it but were wiped out anyway, much less the animals who literally had nothing to do with it. The Old Testament is full of fucked up scenarios that often get handwaved, like when God ordered Joshua to kill every man, woman, child, animal, and TREE in a country because they worshipped a false god.</quote> There is actually much debate about why Lot's wife was killed, ie by looking back was she identifying with the evildoers who were being punished? Was she taking joy in the destruction? Who knows? This has been debated for a long time. As to your second point, there is nothing wrong with God destroying men, women, or children. I've already argued this in another topic recently so I don't really feel like going in depth, but essentially: Christian theology already concedes that God has the right to destroy humanity on a whim because of how terrible its sins are. He withholds from doing so out of sheer mercy and love, but would be absolutely justified in its destruction. That is why God was not wrong in destroying humankind in the story of the Flood. In other words no human has a right to live absent God's will and mercy. God can destroy humanity in part or whole and be completely justified. If he withdraws the gift of life in a particular instance to further his will, then God is not blameworthy. Second, you must take into account that if the Bible is true, then God killing people is merely withdrawing them to the spiritual realm, where he will judge them in accordance with his perfect justice. Thus if by chance any (relative) innocents were killed, since no human is innocent at all, the God will put judge them accordingly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MakoReizei 04/27/17 3:53:25 PM #134:	CE acting like they know shit about the Bible. --- http://i.imgur.com/K9jfKpU.png <cite>MakoReizei posted [p:878019902] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote>CE acting like they know shit about the Bible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 04/27/17 4:01:40 PM #135:	Saloonist posted... fire_bolt posted... ChromaticAngel posted... ManWithGun posted... ChromaticAngel posted... viewmaster_pi posted... hockeybub89 posted... Then God isn't who Christians says he is. God works in mysterious ways. If I nuke two cities killing thousands and thousands because I don't like how they were having sex, am I working in mysterious ways or am I just an asshole? The people of S&D were actually pretty vile. they were having anal sex It was actually a bit worse than that. God sent two angels down to speak with Lot and the men of the city showed up en masse to have sex with them whether the angels wanted to or not. Lot offered to send his daughters out to placate the men and they refused. So God glass sheeted the entire city and turn Lot's wife to a pillar of salt when she dared to look back on her home while it was being destroyed. Of course, this glosses over the myriad women and children who had nothing to do with it but were wiped out anyway, much less the animals who literally had nothing to do with it. The Old Testament is full of fucked up scenarios that often get handwaved, like when God ordered Joshua to kill every man, woman, child, animal, and TREE in a country because they worshipped a false god. There is actually much debate about why Lot's wife was killed, ie by looking back was she identifying with the evildoers who were being punished? Was she taking joy in the destruction? Who knows? This has been debated for a long time. As to your second point, there is nothing wrong with God destroying men, women, or children. I've already argued this in another topic recently so I don't really feel like going in depth, but essentially: Christian theology already concedes that God has the right to destroy humanity on a whim because of how terrible its sins are. He withholds from doing so out of sheer mercy and love, but would be absolutely justified in its destruction. That is why God was not wrong in destroying humankind in the story of the Flood. In other words no human has a right to live absent God's will and mercy. God can destroy humanity in part or whole and be completely justified. If he withdraws the gift of life in a particular instance to further his will, then God is not blameworthy. Second, you must take into account that if the Bible is true, then God killing people is merely withdrawing them to the spiritual realm, where he will judge them in accordance with his perfect justice. Thus if by chance any (relative) innocents were killed, since no human is innocent at all, the God will put judge them accordingly. ITP: Judging God by God's morals is fine even if judging him by literally every other moral standard INCLUDING HIS OWN COMMANDMENTS makes him look like an asshole at best and an abusive parent at worst. Put aside the theology for a second and actually LOOK at the doctrine. It's no wonder so many outsiders are turned off by the Old Testament. Unless you're brainwashed into it as a child it's pretty horrific. --- If her hips don't break, you didn't "carry" hard enough" -SpunkySix <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:878020391] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ManWithGun posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>viewmaster_pi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Then God isn't who Christians says he is.</quote> God works in mysterious ways.</quote> If I nuke two cities killing thousands and thousands because I don't like how they were having sex, am I working in mysterious ways or am I just an asshole?</quote> The people of S&D were actually pretty vile.</quote> they were having anal sex</quote> It was actually a bit worse than that. God sent two angels down to speak with Lot and the men of the city showed up en masse to have sex with them whether the angels wanted to or not. Lot offered to send his daughters out to placate the men and they refused. So God glass sheeted the entire city and turn Lot's wife to a pillar of salt when she dared to look back on her home while it was being destroyed. Of course, this glosses over the myriad women and children who had nothing to do with it but were wiped out anyway, much less the animals who literally had nothing to do with it. The Old Testament is full of fucked up scenarios that often get handwaved, like when God ordered Joshua to kill every man, woman, child, animal, and TREE in a country because they worshipped a false god.</quote> There is actually much debate about why Lot's wife was killed, ie by looking back was she identifying with the evildoers who were being punished? Was she taking joy in the destruction? Who knows? This has been debated for a long time. As to your second point, there is nothing wrong with God destroying men, women, or children. I've already argued this in another topic recently so I don't really feel like going in depth, but essentially: Christian theology already concedes that God has the right to destroy humanity on a whim because of how terrible its sins are. He withholds from doing so out of sheer mercy and love, but would be absolutely justified in its destruction. That is why God was not wrong in destroying humankind in the story of the Flood. In other words no human has a right to live absent God's will and mercy. God can destroy humanity in part or whole and be completely justified. If he withdraws the gift of life in a particular instance to further his will, then God is not blameworthy. Second, you must take into account that if the Bible is true, then God killing people is merely withdrawing them to the spiritual realm, where he will judge them in accordance with his perfect justice. Thus if by chance any (relative) innocents were killed, since no human is innocent at all, the God will put judge them accordingly.</quote> ITP: Judging God by God's morals is fine even if judging him by literally every other moral standard INCLUDING HIS OWN COMMANDMENTS makes him look like an asshole at best and an abusive parent at worst. Put aside the theology for a second and actually LOOK at the doctrine. It's no wonder so many outsiders are turned off by the Old Testament. Unless you're brainwashed into it as a child it's pretty horrific.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 04/27/17 4:07:22 PM #136:	Marmitecashews posted... ChromaticAngel posted... Vindris_SNH posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... meingott posted... ITP children on gamefaqs try to posture as being intellectuals even though they've never studied any holy book in any real capacity lmao Fiction is fiction. Arguing about LotR, HP, or Bible, don't matter. It's amazing how far people will go to diminish the Bible to convince themselves it's not the truth, just so they don't have to deal with the responsibilities that come with believing in God. Believing in god is what absolves you of responsibility. You no longer have to seek forgiveness from the people you've hurt. You only have to seek it from God. Is that why the churches didn't go to the police when they discovered sex abuse against children.? No. They didn't go to the police because they were trying to stop people from finding out about it in the first place, because that would cause money problems. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:878020724] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Marmitecashews posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>ITP children on gamefaqs try to posture as being intellectuals even though they've never studied any holy book in any real capacity lmao</quote> Fiction is fiction. Arguing about LotR, HP, or Bible, don't matter.</quote> It's amazing how far people will go to diminish the Bible to convince themselves it's not the truth, just so they don't have to deal with the responsibilities that come with believing in God.</quote> Believing in god is what absolves you of responsibility. You no longer have to seek forgiveness from the people you've hurt. You only have to seek it from God.</quote> Is that why the churches didn't go to the police when they discovered sex abuse against children.?</quote> No. They didn't go to the police because they were trying to stop people from finding out about it in the first place, because that would cause money problems.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Saloonist 04/27/17 4:08:23 PM #137:	fire_bolt posted... ITP: Judging God by God's morals is fine even if judging him by literally every other moral standard INCLUDING HIS OWN COMMANDMENTS makes him look like an asshole at best and an abusive parent at worst. Put aside the theology for a second and actually LOOK at the doctrine. It's no wonder so many outsiders are turned off by the Old Testament. Unless you're brainwashed into it as a child it's pretty horrific. God isn't subject to the same restrictions which he places on human beings. That is a fallacy. Thou shalt not kill is not a commandment for God, it's a commandment regulating the interactions between human beings. And saying God is an abusive parent is not what an unbiased look at the Bible leads you to believe. In fact, the Bible is rife with examples of God's people constantly failing him and sinning again and again, and instead of killing humanity altogether, which God would be completely justified because of how severe human crimes are, God chooses to be merciful towards mankind, and even offers himself up on the cross to redeem humanity from its own destruction. --- BasileosPetros, KhanofKhans, CokeZero, and many more <cite>Saloonist posted [p:878020776] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote> ITP: Judging God by God's morals is fine even if judging him by literally every other moral standard INCLUDING HIS OWN COMMANDMENTS makes him look like an asshole at best and an abusive parent at worst. Put aside the theology for a second and actually LOOK at the doctrine. It's no wonder so many outsiders are turned off by the Old Testament. Unless you're brainwashed into it as a child it's pretty horrific.</quote> God isn't subject to the same restrictions which he places on human beings. That is a fallacy. Thou shalt not kill is not a commandment for God, it's a commandment regulating the interactions between human beings. And saying God is an abusive parent is not what an unbiased look at the Bible leads you to believe. In fact, the Bible is rife with examples of God's people constantly failing him and sinning again and again, and instead of killing humanity altogether, which God would be completely justified because of how severe human crimes are, God chooses to be merciful towards mankind, and even offers himself up on the cross to redeem humanity from its own destruction.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 04/27/17 4:28:23 PM #138:	Saloonist posted... fire_bolt posted... ITP: Judging God by God's morals is fine even if judging him by literally every other moral standard INCLUDING HIS OWN COMMANDMENTS makes him look like an asshole at best and an abusive parent at worst. Put aside the theology for a second and actually LOOK at the doctrine. It's no wonder so many outsiders are turned off by the Old Testament. Unless you're brainwashed into it as a child it's pretty horrific. God isn't subject to the same restrictions which he places on human beings. That is a fallacy. Thou shalt not kill is not a commandment for God, it's a commandment regulating the interactions between human beings. And saying God is an abusive parent is not what an unbiased look at the Bible leads you to believe. In fact, the Bible is rife with examples of God's people constantly failing him and sinning again and again, and instead of killing humanity altogether, which God would be completely justified because of how severe human crimes are, God chooses to be merciful towards mankind, and even offers himself up on the cross to redeem humanity from its own destruction. Yeah, failing him by now spending all their time on their knees sucking up to him. While there are plenty of instances where God massacred people for wickedness, there are plenty of examples of God massacring people for simply not worshipping him. According to Exodus 2:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: What kind of childishness is that from an all powerful, all knowing deity, who allegedly should know every person's actions when He creates them? Creates people knowing they'll worship other gods then kills them for worshipping other gods. What kind of cognitive dissonance does it take to actually BUY this shit? --- If her hips don't break, you didn't "carry" hard enough" -SpunkySix <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:878021988] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote> ITP: Judging God by God's morals is fine even if judging him by literally every other moral standard INCLUDING HIS OWN COMMANDMENTS makes him look like an asshole at best and an abusive parent at worst. Put aside the theology for a second and actually LOOK at the doctrine. It's no wonder so many outsiders are turned off by the Old Testament. Unless you're brainwashed into it as a child it's pretty horrific.</quote> God isn't subject to the same restrictions which he places on human beings. That is a fallacy. Thou shalt not kill is not a commandment for God, it's a commandment regulating the interactions between human beings. And saying God is an abusive parent is not what an unbiased look at the Bible leads you to believe. In fact, the Bible is rife with examples of God's people constantly failing him and sinning again and again, and instead of killing humanity altogether, which God would be completely justified because of how severe human crimes are, God chooses to be merciful towards mankind, and even offers himself up on the cross to redeem humanity from its own destruction.</quote> Yeah, failing him by now spending all their time on their knees sucking up to him. While there are plenty of instances where God massacred people for wickedness, there are plenty of examples of God massacring people for simply not worshipping him. According to Exodus 2:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: What kind of childishness is that from an all powerful, all knowing deity, who allegedly should know every person's actions when He creates them? Creates people knowing they'll worship other gods then kills them for worshipping other gods. What kind of cognitive dissonance does it take to actually BUY this shit?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManWithGun 04/27/17 4:51:16 PM #139:	Calling God childish. Lol. So what if he is? Hes still fucking GOD. What are you --- Heeeey <cite>ManWithGun posted [p:878023512] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote>Calling God childish. Lol. So what if he is? Hes still fucking GOD. What are you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 04/27/17 4:52:04 PM #140:	ManWithGun posted... Calling God childish. Lol. So what if he is? Hes still fucking GOD. What are you His creator --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:878023560] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>ManWithGun posted...</cite> <quote>Calling God childish. Lol. So what if he is? Hes still fucking GOD. What are you</quote> His creator</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 04/27/17 4:53:15 PM #141:	the part where those who mock God and the bible will burn in hell forever and in terrible pain and scream ~~I kid~~ --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:878023642] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote>the part where those who mock God and the bible will burn in hell forever and in terrible pain and scream I kid</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 04/27/17 4:54:25 PM #142:	darkphoenix181 posted... the part where those who mock God and the bible will burn in hell forever and in terrible pain and scream I kid I sure hope so because that's not in any part of the OT or NT or the Catholic Apocrypha. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:878023700] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>the part where those who mock God and the bible will burn in hell forever and in terrible pain and scream I kid</quote> I sure hope so because that's not in any part of the OT or NT or the Catholic Apocrypha.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 04/27/17 4:56:18 PM #143:	ManWithGun posted... Calling God childish. Lol. So what if he is? Hes still fucking GOD. What are you Someone who believes your religion is a lie and is capable of holding your fictional character to a real world morality rather than swallowing everything I'm told hook line and sinker? Yeah, that one. --- If her hips don't break, you didn't "carry" hard enough" -SpunkySix <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:878023808] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>ManWithGun posted...</cite> <quote>Calling God childish. Lol. So what if he is? Hes still fucking GOD. What are you</quote> Someone who believes your religion is a lie and is capable of holding your fictional character to a real world morality rather than swallowing everything I'm told hook line and sinker? Yeah, that one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OwlRammer 04/27/17 4:57:30 PM #144:	ChromaticAngel posted... Saloonist posted... Free will isn't license to do evil You are free to do whatever you want as long as you do what I want you to do or else I'll kill you. well you are still technically free to do whatever you want, just there will be consenquences for some things --- http://i.imgur.com/ji9KF3f.jpg http://i.imgur.com/p3G1Hvd.png http://puu.sh/ovZuS/97325c05b3.jpg http://puu.sh/ovZB2/eeee237f49.jpg <cite>OwlRammer posted [p:878023889] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote>Free will isn't license to do evil</quote> You are free to do whatever you want as long as you do what I want you to do or else I'll kill you.</quote> well you are still technically free to do whatever you want, just there will be consenquences for some things</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 04/27/17 4:58:08 PM #145:	ChromaticAngel posted... darkphoenix181 posted... the part where those who mock God and the bible will burn in hell forever and in terrible pain and scream I kid I sure hope so because that's not in any part of the OT or NT or the Catholic Apocrypha. True story. I've never understood how Southern Baptists got so far removed from their own holy book that they misportrayed the afterlife so hard. If you actually study the Bible, it says that sinners will be burnt to a crisp and then will stop existing. The whole eternal torture thing is bullshit --- If her hips don't break, you didn't "carry" hard enough" -SpunkySix <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:878023934] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>the part where those who mock God and the bible will burn in hell forever and in terrible pain and scream I kid</quote> I sure hope so because that's not in any part of the OT or NT or the Catholic Apocrypha.</quote> True story. I've never understood how Southern Baptists got so far removed from their own holy book that they misportrayed the afterlife so hard. If you actually study the Bible, it says that sinners will be burnt to a crisp and then will stop existing. The whole eternal torture thing is bullshit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManWithGun 04/27/17 5:00:35 PM #146:	fire_bolt posted... ManWithGun posted... Calling God childish. Lol. So what if he is? Hes still fucking GOD. What are you Someone who believes your religion is a lie and is capable of holding your fictional character to a real world morality rather than swallowing everything I'm told hook line and sinker? Yeah, that one. I dont have a religion. --- Heeeey <cite>ManWithGun posted [p:878024093] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ManWithGun posted...</cite> <quote>Calling God childish. Lol. So what if he is? Hes still fucking GOD. What are you</quote> Someone who believes your religion is a lie and is capable of holding your fictional character to a real world morality rather than swallowing everything I'm told hook line and sinker? Yeah, that one.</quote> I dont have a religion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Saloonist 04/27/17 5:01:17 PM #147:	fire_bolt posted... Saloonist posted... fire_bolt posted... ITP: Judging God by God's morals is fine even if judging him by literally every other moral standard INCLUDING HIS OWN COMMANDMENTS makes him look like an asshole at best and an abusive parent at worst. Put aside the theology for a second and actually LOOK at the doctrine. It's no wonder so many outsiders are turned off by the Old Testament. Unless you're brainwashed into it as a child it's pretty horrific. God isn't subject to the same restrictions which he places on human beings. That is a fallacy. Thou shalt not kill is not a commandment for God, it's a commandment regulating the interactions between human beings. And saying God is an abusive parent is not what an unbiased look at the Bible leads you to believe. In fact, the Bible is rife with examples of God's people constantly failing him and sinning again and again, and instead of killing humanity altogether, which God would be completely justified because of how severe human crimes are, God chooses to be merciful towards mankind, and even offers himself up on the cross to redeem humanity from its own destruction. Yeah, failing him by now spending all their time on their knees sucking up to him. While there are plenty of instances where God massacred people for wickedness, there are plenty of examples of God massacring people for simply not worshipping him. According to Exodus 2:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: What kind of childishness is that from an all powerful, all knowing deity, who allegedly should know every person's actions when He creates them? Creates people knowing they'll worship other gods then kills them for worshipping other gods. What kind of cognitive dissonance does it take to actually BUY this shit? Just because you are ignorant of theology doesn't mean it requires any cognitive dissonance to believe in the Bible. Free will and God's omniscience are not necessarily in conflict as I already posted earlier. I have already discussed how God may kill humanity in part or whole as he wishes and be completely justified because of the crimes of humanity. Even more, the Bible is not a text that I belueve is telling a literal history. I dont really have much more to say unless you bring up a new point. --- BasileosPetros, KhanofKhans, CokeZero, and many more <cite>Saloonist posted [p:878024147] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote> ITP: Judging God by God's morals is fine even if judging him by literally every other moral standard INCLUDING HIS OWN COMMANDMENTS makes him look like an asshole at best and an abusive parent at worst. Put aside the theology for a second and actually LOOK at the doctrine. It's no wonder so many outsiders are turned off by the Old Testament. Unless you're brainwashed into it as a child it's pretty horrific.</quote> God isn't subject to the same restrictions which he places on human beings. That is a fallacy. Thou shalt not kill is not a commandment for God, it's a commandment regulating the interactions between human beings. And saying God is an abusive parent is not what an unbiased look at the Bible leads you to believe. In fact, the Bible is rife with examples of God's people constantly failing him and sinning again and again, and instead of killing humanity altogether, which God would be completely justified because of how severe human crimes are, God chooses to be merciful towards mankind, and even offers himself up on the cross to redeem humanity from its own destruction.</quote> Yeah, failing him by now spending all their time on their knees sucking up to him. While there are plenty of instances where God massacred people for wickedness, there are plenty of examples of God massacring people for simply not worshipping him. According to Exodus 2:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: What kind of childishness is that from an all powerful, all knowing deity, who allegedly should know every person's actions when He creates them? Creates people knowing they'll worship other gods then kills them for worshipping other gods. What kind of cognitive dissonance does it take to actually BUY this shit?</quote> Just because you are ignorant of theology doesn't mean it requires any cognitive dissonance to believe in the Bible. Free will and God's omniscience are not necessarily in conflict as I already posted earlier. I have already discussed how God may kill humanity in part or whole as he wishes and be completely justified because of the crimes of humanity. Even more, the Bible is not a text that I belueve is telling a literal history. I dont really have much more to say unless you bring up a new point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iosifsvoboda 04/27/17 5:06:44 PM #148:	my favorite part is where Christians take the words of Jesus and do the exact opposite of what he says to do. Also that everyone refers to god as he lmao gtfo --- ^_^ <cite>iosifsvoboda posted [p:878024488] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote>my favorite part is where Christians take the words of Jesus and do the exact opposite of what he says to do. Also that everyone refers to god as he lmao gtfo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 04/27/17 5:13:17 PM #149:	Saloonist posted... fire_bolt posted... Saloonist posted... fire_bolt posted... ITP: Judging God by God's morals is fine even if judging him by literally every other moral standard INCLUDING HIS OWN COMMANDMENTS makes him look like an asshole at best and an abusive parent at worst. Put aside the theology for a second and actually LOOK at the doctrine. It's no wonder so many outsiders are turned off by the Old Testament. Unless you're brainwashed into it as a child it's pretty horrific. God isn't subject to the same restrictions which he places on human beings. That is a fallacy. Thou shalt not kill is not a commandment for God, it's a commandment regulating the interactions between human beings. And saying God is an abusive parent is not what an unbiased look at the Bible leads you to believe. In fact, the Bible is rife with examples of God's people constantly failing him and sinning again and again, and instead of killing humanity altogether, which God would be completely justified because of how severe human crimes are, God chooses to be merciful towards mankind, and even offers himself up on the cross to redeem humanity from its own destruction. Yeah, failing him by now spending all their time on their knees sucking up to him. While there are plenty of instances where God massacred people for wickedness, there are plenty of examples of God massacring people for simply not worshipping him. According to Exodus 2:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: What kind of childishness is that from an all powerful, all knowing deity, who allegedly should know every person's actions when He creates them? Creates people knowing they'll worship other gods then kills them for worshipping other gods. What kind of cognitive dissonance does it take to actually BUY this shit? Just because you are ignorant of theology doesn't mean it requires any cognitive dissonance to believe in the Bible. Free will and God's omniscience are not necessarily in conflict as I already posted earlier. I have already discussed how God may kill humanity in part or whole as he wishes and be completely justified because of the crimes of humanity. Even more, the Bible is not a text that I belueve is telling a literal history. I dont really have much more to say unless you bring up a new point. Yeah, like I said the "crimes" of not bending knee to a child who kills people on a whim. Face it, strip away to trappings of theology and Old Testament God is basically a dictator who controls people through violence and fear. I'm sorry you can't pull your head out of your ass long enough to see it, but that doesn't change the fact that God being judge, jury, and executioner to a bunch of sinners that HE CREATED as sinners is hypocritical to a degree unmatched by anything else in fucking history. "Well, I'm gonna make a bunch of people and give them the power to choose for themselves. I can also see everything they're ever gonna do perfectly. Then I'm gonna kill them for breaking one of many arbitrary rules I made that literally exist for no reason, and nobody can gainsay me on it cuz GOD." --- If her hips don't break, you didn't "carry" hard enough" -SpunkySix <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:878024905] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote> ITP: Judging God by God's morals is fine even if judging him by literally every other moral standard INCLUDING HIS OWN COMMANDMENTS makes him look like an asshole at best and an abusive parent at worst. Put aside the theology for a second and actually LOOK at the doctrine. It's no wonder so many outsiders are turned off by the Old Testament. Unless you're brainwashed into it as a child it's pretty horrific.</quote> God isn't subject to the same restrictions which he places on human beings. That is a fallacy. Thou shalt not kill is not a commandment for God, it's a commandment regulating the interactions between human beings. And saying God is an abusive parent is not what an unbiased look at the Bible leads you to believe. In fact, the Bible is rife with examples of God's people constantly failing him and sinning again and again, and instead of killing humanity altogether, which God would be completely justified because of how severe human crimes are, God chooses to be merciful towards mankind, and even offers himself up on the cross to redeem humanity from its own destruction.</quote> Yeah, failing him by now spending all their time on their knees sucking up to him. While there are plenty of instances where God massacred people for wickedness, there are plenty of examples of God massacring people for simply not worshipping him. According to Exodus 2:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: What kind of childishness is that from an all powerful, all knowing deity, who allegedly should know every person's actions when He creates them? Creates people knowing they'll worship other gods then kills them for worshipping other gods. What kind of cognitive dissonance does it take to actually BUY this shit?</quote> Just because you are ignorant of theology doesn't mean it requires any cognitive dissonance to believe in the Bible. Free will and God's omniscience are not necessarily in conflict as I already posted earlier. I have already discussed how God may kill humanity in part or whole as he wishes and be completely justified because of the crimes of humanity. Even more, the Bible is not a text that I belueve is telling a literal history. I dont really have much more to say unless you bring up a new point.</quote> Yeah, like I said the "crimes" of not bending knee to a child who kills people on a whim. Face it, strip away to trappings of theology and Old Testament God is basically a dictator who controls people through violence and fear. I'm sorry you can't pull your head out of your ass long enough to see it, but that doesn't change the fact that God being judge, jury, and executioner to a bunch of sinners that HE CREATED as sinners is hypocritical to a degree unmatched by anything else in fucking history. "Well, I'm gonna make a bunch of people and give them the power to choose for themselves. I can also see everything they're ever gonna do perfectly. Then I'm gonna kill them for breaking one of many arbitrary rules I made that literally exist for no reason, and nobody can gainsay me on it cuz GOD."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 04/27/17 5:21:41 PM #150:	OwlRammer posted... ChromaticAngel posted... Saloonist posted... Free will isn't license to do evil You are free to do whatever you want as long as you do what I want you to do or else I'll kill you. well you are still technically free to do whatever you want, just there will be consenquences for some things Sure, but then why create life just to kill it? What's the point? What does god gain from that? --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:878025436] in My favorit... [t:75284660]...</cite> <quote><cite>OwlRammer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote>Free will isn't license to do evil</quote> You are free to do whatever you want as long as you do what I want you to do or else I'll kill you.</quote> well you are still technically free to do whatever you want, just there will be consenquences for some things</quote> Sure, but then why create life just to kill it? What's the point? What does god gain from that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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