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L0Z
05/03/17 11:07:59 AM
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http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/07/91/91/26/0007919126243_500X500.jpg

Is it safe to trust this to last 15,000 miles? its the most expensive Castrol.
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iosifsvoboda
05/03/17 11:10:04 AM
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It depends on you car. I have a five year old Vw that can go 10k without an oil change so 15k is possible. Follow your owners manual though. If your manual says 3k stick to that
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CapnMuffin
05/03/17 11:10:55 AM
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Just check your oil periodically to see if needs changing.
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voldothegr8
05/03/17 11:15:40 AM
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I have full synthetic and get it changed every 10,000 miles but that's what the manual says to do. So read your manual instead of the oil container.
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Gen_Lee_Enfield
05/03/17 11:16:44 AM
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I go by time instead of mileage cause I just don't drive that much, and the trips that I do make generally aren't long enough to really heat up the engine.
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L0Z
05/03/17 11:16:45 AM
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iosifsvoboda posted...
It depends on you car. I have a five year old Vw that can go 10k without an oil change so 15k is possible. Follow your owners manual though. If your manual says 3k stick to that


I have a 3 year old vw so I guess I'm stuck changing it at 10k. I'm changing it myself from now on because when I went to the dealership at 40k, which I though was the last free service, they charged me $500 to rotate my tires and change oil/filter and threatened to call cops if I don't pay
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ChromaticAngel
05/03/17 11:31:31 AM
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You should learn how to check your oil instead of just changing it at arbitrary intervals. Not only does it help with knowing when you need to change your oil, you can save a great deal of money by not changing your oil when it's still good.
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iosifsvoboda
05/03/17 11:35:20 AM
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Lmao they aren't arbitrary intervals XD
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ChromaticAngel
05/03/17 11:37:52 AM
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iosifsvoboda posted...
Lmao they aren't arbitrary intervals XD


They are arbitrary based on averages. lowest grade conventional oil for example is good for on average 4000 miles. They tell you to change it every 3000 miles to try and stop people from blowing up their engines becauset their oil was below the 4000 mile average in longevity.

In addition to miles driven, oil goes bad over time. Even if you have 0 miles on your car for 9 months, when you start it up again, the first thing you will probably want to do is get the oil changed.
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ChouBF
05/03/17 11:43:33 AM
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L0Z posted...
I have a 3 year old vw so I guess I'm stuck changing it at 10k. I'm changing it myself from now on because when I went to the dealership at 40k, which I though was the last free service, they charged me $500 to rotate my tires and change oil/filter and threatened to call cops if I don't pay


wat. What the hell kind of dealership doesn't give you an estimate or price before doing service? Oh, a shady one.
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Kim Kusanagi
05/03/17 11:50:01 AM
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L0Z posted...
http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/07/91/91/26/0007919126243_500X500.jpg

Is it safe to trust this to last 15,000 miles? its the most expensive Castrol.


yes if it is full synth

But if it is then you can't go back to non full synth
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YonicBoom
05/03/17 12:38:02 PM
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I wouldn't trust any engine to go 15k between oil changes, but not because I don't trust the oil. For one, oil filters are a major limiting factor. Even the best ones I would not trust for 15k. Also, many engines, even brand new, consume oil at a rate that makes a 15k oil change a foolish idea.

7.5k sounds more reasonable.

I do mine every 5k, but I drive an old turbocharged car so I err on the side of caution.
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yanksfan4247
05/03/17 12:45:17 PM
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I'd say 7.5 on full synthetic IMO. But check your oil every other week anyway.
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MaverickXeo
05/03/17 12:46:32 PM
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CapnMuffin posted...
Just check your oil periodically to see if needs changing.


How do you see if it needs changing?
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MaverickXeo
05/03/17 12:46:48 PM
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Kim Kusanagi posted...
L0Z posted...
http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/07/91/91/26/0007919126243_500X500.jpg

Is it safe to trust this to last 15,000 miles? its the most expensive Castrol.


yes if it is full synth

But if it is then you can't go back to non full synth


Why?
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Kim Kusanagi
05/03/17 12:47:18 PM
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MaverickXeo posted...
CapnMuffin posted...
Just check your oil periodically to see if needs changing.


How do you see if it needs changing?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP-mToep_mY


FFS
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MaverickXeo
05/03/17 12:48:07 PM
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Kim Kusanagi posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
CapnMuffin posted...
Just check your oil periodically to see if needs changing.


How do you see if it needs changing?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP-mToep_mY


FFS


Adding =/= changing.
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku
05/03/17 12:48:10 PM
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I let the MID on my Acura to tell me when an oil change is due. It takes into account driving style, miles driven, time since last oil change, etc. I wouldn't rely solely on a flat figure like 15k miles.
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Kim Kusanagi
05/03/17 12:48:14 PM
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MaverickXeo posted...
Kim Kusanagi posted...
L0Z posted...
http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/07/91/91/26/0007919126243_500X500.jpg

Is it safe to trust this to last 15,000 miles? its the most expensive Castrol.


yes if it is full synth

But if it is then you can't go back to non full synth


Why?


Ehhh I'm not sure, but mostly every technician I've ever asked about it told me the same thing.

I guess it's the chemicals that degrade the engine.
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Kim Kusanagi
05/03/17 12:50:09 PM
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MaverickXeo posted...
Kim Kusanagi posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
CapnMuffin posted...
Just check your oil periodically to see if needs changing.


How do you see if it needs changing?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP-mToep_mY


FFS


Adding =/= changing.


You dont understand how to check if the oil is burned?
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MaverickXeo
05/03/17 12:50:23 PM
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Kim Kusanagi posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Kim Kusanagi posted...
L0Z posted...
http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/07/91/91/26/0007919126243_500X500.jpg

Is it safe to trust this to last 15,000 miles? its the most expensive Castrol.


yes if it is full synth

But if it is then you can't go back to non full synth


Why?


Ehhh I'm not sure, but mostly every technician I've ever asked about it told me the same thing.

I guess it's the chemicals that degrade the engine.


I guess I know the answer; its false. You do NOT need to worry about going back to conventional.

Ive done it several times, and there is no concrete 'proof' that going back to conventional is a 'bad thing.' Especially since most synthetic oils, except a few select class IV oils, are actually just higher refined conventional.
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MaverickXeo
05/03/17 12:50:47 PM
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Kim Kusanagi posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Kim Kusanagi posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
CapnMuffin posted...
Just check your oil periodically to see if needs changing.


How do you see if it needs changing?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP-mToep_mY


FFS


Adding =/= changing.


You dont understand how to check if the oil is burned?


Don't tell me you believe that 'black oil' is oil that needs to be changed...
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Kim Kusanagi
05/03/17 12:51:24 PM
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MaverickXeo posted...
Kim Kusanagi posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Kim Kusanagi posted...
L0Z posted...
http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/07/91/91/26/0007919126243_500X500.jpg

Is it safe to trust this to last 15,000 miles? its the most expensive Castrol.


yes if it is full synth

But if it is then you can't go back to non full synth


Why?


Ehhh I'm not sure, but mostly every technician I've ever asked about it told me the same thing.

I guess it's the chemicals that degrade the engine.


I guess I know the answer; its false. You do NOT need to worry about going back to conventional.

Ive done it several times, and there is no concrete 'proof' that going back to conventional is a 'bad thing.' Especially since most synthetic oils, except a few select class IV oils, are actually just higher refined conventional.


I don't know.

I prefer to rely on the word of unrelated but qualified mechanics instead of someone who didn't even understand a stupid video that explains how to check if the oil is burned or not.
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MaverickXeo
05/03/17 12:53:40 PM
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Kim Kusanagi posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Kim Kusanagi posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Kim Kusanagi posted...
L0Z posted...
http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/07/91/91/26/0007919126243_500X500.jpg

Is it safe to trust this to last 15,000 miles? its the most expensive Castrol.


yes if it is full synth

But if it is then you can't go back to non full synth


Why?


Ehhh I'm not sure, but mostly every technician I've ever asked about it told me the same thing.

I guess it's the chemicals that degrade the engine.


I guess I know the answer; its false. You do NOT need to worry about going back to conventional.

Ive done it several times, and there is no concrete 'proof' that going back to conventional is a 'bad thing.' Especially since most synthetic oils, except a few select class IV oils, are actually just higher refined conventional.


I don't know.

I prefer to rely on the word of unrelated but qualified mechanics instead of someone who didn't even understand a stupid video that explains how to check if the oil is burned or not.


And I prefer to actually know how oils work and that oil cannot be determined to be 'good or bad' by a simple visual test. You have to test the components of the oil through analysis.
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Kim Kusanagi
05/03/17 12:58:55 PM
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MaverickXeo posted...
Kim Kusanagi posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Kim Kusanagi posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Kim Kusanagi posted...
L0Z posted...
http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/07/91/91/26/0007919126243_500X500.jpg

Is it safe to trust this to last 15,000 miles? its the most expensive Castrol.


yes if it is full synth

But if it is then you can't go back to non full synth


Why?


Ehhh I'm not sure, but mostly every technician I've ever asked about it told me the same thing.

I guess it's the chemicals that degrade the engine.


I guess I know the answer; its false. You do NOT need to worry about going back to conventional.

Ive done it several times, and there is no concrete 'proof' that going back to conventional is a 'bad thing.' Especially since most synthetic oils, except a few select class IV oils, are actually just higher refined conventional.


I don't know.

I prefer to rely on the word of unrelated but qualified mechanics instead of someone who didn't even understand a stupid video that explains how to check if the oil is burned or not.


And I prefer to actually know how oils work and that oil cannot be determined to be 'good or bad' by a simple visual test. You have to test the components of the oil through analysis.


Well I hope you like wasting your money sending oil through a stupid lab analysis that is completely unneeded and that will yield the exact same results you could get by sticking to the instructions and using your eyes to see.
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Malcrasternus
05/03/17 12:58:57 PM
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Can't believe it took 15 posts for someone to mention the oil filter. You can have oil made from unicorn tears made to last 50,000 magical adventure miles, but if you put in a three dollar filter and expect it to keep up with the oil, you're gonna have a bad time.


And as for the conventional to synthetic and back, there's no real harm aside from having two oils with different longevities working in your engine. The anti foam, detergents and other additives just can't keep up with those found in synthetics, and you lose the benefits from higher quality lube. There's motor flush bottles that are good in grabbing all the old oil so that you can get as much fresh oil in there as possible.
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Kim Kusanagi
05/03/17 12:59:55 PM
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Malcrasternus posted...
Can't believe it took 15 posts for someone to mention the oil filter. You can have oil made from unicorn tears made to last 50,000 magical adventure miles, but if you put in a three dollar filter and expect it to keep up with the oil, you're gonna have a bad time.


And as for the conventional to synthetic and back, there's no real harm aside from having two oils with different longevities working in your engine. The anti foam, detergents and other additives just can't keep up with those found in synthetics, and you lose the benefits from higher quality lube. There's motor flush bottles that are good in grabbing all the old oil so that you can get as much fresh oil in there as possible.


Shut up. Let Maverick waste his money sending his oil to a lab test.
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MaverickXeo
05/03/17 1:08:09 PM
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Kim Kusanagi posted...


Well I hope you like wasting your money sending oil through a stupid lab analysis that is completely unneeded and that will yield the exact same results you could get by sticking to the instructions and using your eyes to see.


Lol... my oil is black within a few days, and a couple hundred KM. I guess I should be doing an oil change that often? Most vehicles are pretty much the same way. Oil colour is NOT an indicator of 'wear' or mileage at all... and by going by that, you are not only costing yourself more money; but also creating artificial demand for oil which drives up the price... I wish more people understood that.

No matter what anyone says; you cannot tell if the oil is ready to change based on visual cues. I have never done the analysis, but others have. They typically save you money in the long run as the results let you know if you can safely run your oil longer or if you need to change it more frequently.
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Malcrasternus
05/03/17 1:08:36 PM
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Kim Kusanagi posted...

Shut up. Let Maverick waste his money sending his oil to a lab test.


Shadduppa yer face. Lab tests give good feedback on a car's history. Doing it per oil change is dumb however. Just check the dipstick every week or so and yer golden.


Feel bad for the people that come into my shop sometimes. One guy came in with a really nice camaro complaining about some clicking under the hood. Checked the dipstick, and it was bone dry, save for a few drops at the end with small metal shavings in it.


The dumbass. First time I ever felt bad for a Chevy.
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MaverickXeo
05/03/17 1:09:00 PM
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Kim Kusanagi posted...
Malcrasternus posted...
Can't believe it took 15 posts for someone to mention the oil filter. You can have oil made from unicorn tears made to last 50,000 magical adventure miles, but if you put in a three dollar filter and expect it to keep up with the oil, you're gonna have a bad time.


And as for the conventional to synthetic and back, there's no real harm aside from having two oils with different longevities working in your engine. The anti foam, detergents and other additives just can't keep up with those found in synthetics, and you lose the benefits from higher quality lube. There's motor flush bottles that are good in grabbing all the old oil so that you can get as much fresh oil in there as possible.


Shut up. Let Maverick waste his money sending his oil to a lab test.


What does what he said have to do with testing oil?
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Error1355
05/03/17 1:11:51 PM
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My car says every 7.5K miles, I change every 5K.
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Kim Kusanagi
05/03/17 1:16:40 PM
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Malcrasternus posted...
Just check the dipstick every week or so and yer golden.


He just said that's unreliable. He couldn't even understand a video saying the same shit.
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Kim Kusanagi
05/03/17 1:17:26 PM
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MaverickXeo posted...
Lol... my oil is black within a few days, and a couple hundred KM.


your engine is fucked if so.
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MaverickXeo
05/03/17 1:29:11 PM
#37:


Kim Kusanagi posted...
Malcrasternus posted...
Just check the dipstick every week or so and yer golden.


He just said that's unreliable. He couldn't even understand a video saying the same shit.


Checking the level is good. Checking to see if it needs to be changed? Impossible.
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MaverickXeo
05/03/17 1:33:01 PM
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Kim Kusanagi posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Lol... my oil is black within a few days, and a couple hundred KM.


your engine is fucked if so.


If you say so. Compression says otherwise; since it has near factory compression and over 250k KM.

http://parts.olathetoyota.com/blog/4411/engine-oil-discoloration-guide-what-different-oil-colors-represent

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/5-engine-oil-myths2.htm

Oh look, more stuff to support my case!

Where is your 'proof?'
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Malcrasternus
05/03/17 1:33:43 PM
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Just because you got some carbon in your oil doesn't mean your car is about to catch fire and sacrifice your engine to satan. It just means it has carbon. That happens, and people much more intelligent than any of us have designed these oils to last for thousands of miles despite the fact they grab deposits here and there.
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Kim Kusanagi
05/03/17 1:44:00 PM
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MaverickXeo posted...
Kim Kusanagi posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
Lol... my oil is black within a few days, and a couple hundred KM.


your engine is fucked if so.


If you say so. Compression says otherwise; since it has near factory compression and over 250k KM.

http://parts.olathetoyota.com/blog/4411/engine-oil-discoloration-guide-what-different-oil-colors-represent

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/5-engine-oil-myths2.htm

Oh look, more stuff to support my case!

Where is your 'proof?'


In your own source:

First, color doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Oil can be very, very dark (black even) and still be effective. However, as a general rule:

New, clean oil is amber in color
As engine oil gets darker, it can indicate a) high heat, b) contaminants, or c) the presence of additives that cause the oil to darken during normal use.
Therefore, the best way to determine what color your oil should be is to observe how your oil changes color over time. Just pull the dipstick every few days, make a mental note, and at some point you’ll learn to “read” your engine’s oil by color, i.e. you may find that your oil starts to look dark brown after 3,000 miles, and very dark brown after 5,000. If your oil is supposed to be changed every 5,000 miles, than you know that “very dark brown” likely means it’s time.

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MaverickXeo
05/03/17 1:51:32 PM
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What about where it says some oils (such as the one I run) naturally become darker sooner than others?

Basically, it cannot be used to accurately determine when the oil has to be changed. If you read your quote, it even says to change oil when you are supposed to and NOT rely on colour alone.
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Malcrasternus
05/03/17 1:53:32 PM
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You also gotta take note if it gets thick, or has any change in viscosity(at ambient temp). That's a killer right there.
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MaverickXeo
05/03/17 1:56:54 PM
#43:


Malcrasternus posted...
You also gotta take note if it gets thick, or has any change in viscosity(at ambient temp). That's a killer right there.


Exactly. Those are both far better indicators than colour.

Just by pulling the dipstick though, you will NOT know if it is time to change your oil. I go by a strict schedule of mileage, and time.
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YonicBoom
05/03/17 2:02:22 PM
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Time to dispel myths and shit in here

- Oil changing to dark colors quickly isn't bad, it just means it's doing its job
- Exceptions to the rule are pretty much limited to it looking like chocolate milk (water+oil mixture)
- Switching between conventional and synthetic is fine. Synthetics tend to clean out gunk that might be hiding leaks in older engines, so that's why that myth started. However, certain engines really should run synthetic oil only due to higher heat and whatnot (turbo engines for example) as they don't break down as quickly as conventional oils. That's not to say you can't run conventional in them, but it just won't last long.
- Certain specialty cars/engines have different unspoken requirements for oil and maintenance. Example - Wankel Rotary engines should not have Synthetic oil because it resists combustion and can lead to undue wear/carbon build up in the engine, since it burns oil by design.
- Subarus should have their oil changed more often time-wise due to their Boxer engine being laid out flat. Ever hear of Subarus blowing head gaskets all the time? Not all of the oil drains down into the oil pan when the car is shut off due to its flat design, and old oil is more acidic than fresh. Letting that old oil stay pooled up on the head gaskets wears them away silently and one day... kaboom. This isn't the only reason they die, but it's the main one that nobody talks about. Not a problem if you change that oil ever 3 months or so, but the people who put 5000 miles on their oil over the course of 6 months see these failures more often.
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Kim Kusanagi
05/03/17 2:09:41 PM
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MaverickXeo posted...
What about where it says some oils (such as the one I run) naturally become darker sooner than others?

Basically, it cannot be used to accurately determine when the oil has to be changed. If you read your quote, it even says to change oil when you are supposed to and NOT rely on colour alone.


When did I say that you aren't supposed to change your oil when supposed to?
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YonicBoom
05/03/17 2:15:55 PM
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Also, for the record, besides certain oils with significantly different/special additive packages (Rotella t-6 comes to mind) most of the different brands exist solely as marketing memes. Any oil that meets the most current API certifications is just as good as any other that meets those same certs.

You're basically just as well off using Walmart Supertech Synthetic oil for $17/5QTs, but it's really up to you. This opinion is based on a lot of reading and researching used oil analysis charts with many oils/engines.
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MaverickXeo
05/03/17 2:38:36 PM
#47:


YonicBoom posted...
Also, for the record, besides certain oils with significantly different/special additive packages (Rotella t-6 comes to mind) most of the different brands exist solely as marketing memes. Any oil that meets the most current API certifications is just as good as any other that meets those same certs.

You're basically just as well off using Walmart Supertech Synthetic oil for $17/5QTs, but it's really up to you. This opinion is based on a lot of reading and researching used oil analysis charts with many oils/engines.


Rotella T6 is what I run, haha.
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L0Z
05/03/17 4:48:05 PM
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Malcrasternus posted...
Can't believe it took 15 posts for someone to mention the oil filter. You can have oil made from unicorn tears made to last 50,000 magical adventure miles, but if you put in a three dollar filter and expect it to keep up with the oil, you're gonna have a bad time.


https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/1d03b4e8-1030-410b-b68b-9d4ff6bfeb7c_1.f2aa7617e9598d1beb5fba0e50fbc927.jpeg

says up to 15k. I'm probably gonna change it this week anyway because I'm at 9500 since last change
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MaverickXeo
05/03/17 5:38:26 PM
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I'm not a fan of Fram filters. Id change those no more than every 5k. For the price; Id rather get a Mobil 1 filter.
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