Board 8 > let's whine about IGN's top 100 RPGs list

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transience
05/04/17 11:04:22 PM
#152:


Legend of Dragoon is definitely the most egregious thing there yeah.
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Justin2Krelian
05/04/17 11:05:06 PM
#153:


Jeff Zero posted...
I feel like the bulk of that trend toward proclaiming it overrated died down around 2004. There will be embers of it for eternity, though.


I agree it started to die down in the mid 2000s and was very highly regarded for a few years, but for the past 5 years or so those comments came right back, and the most irritating part is that so many people saying it act like it's a completely novel concept.
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MZero11
05/04/17 11:06:29 PM
#154:


Can't wait for FFXV to be number one
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MOOSHOO316
05/04/17 11:18:35 PM
#155:


Suikoden 2 better be in the top 10
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MZero11
05/04/17 11:37:27 PM
#156:


LeonhartFour posted...
it's all to celebrate FFVII's 20th anniversary of course


or Final Fantasy's 30th anniversary tbh
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azuarc
05/04/17 11:44:00 PM
#157:


Paratroopa1 posted...
Divinity: Original Sin is fantastic

Only if you like your game's outcome being determined by save-scumming a minigame, annoying pathing, and losing battles because a debuff made your equipment fall off.
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MartinFF7
05/04/17 11:45:43 PM
#158:


Game Informer's list is wayyyyy better. Shit they even had a Xenosaga game in there! (though it should've been Episode 3 instead of 1, really...)
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azuarc
05/04/17 11:55:57 PM
#159:


So Quest 64 tops the list, amirite?
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Monopoman
05/04/17 11:58:59 PM
#160:


Wanglicious posted...
while a lot has been said on the JRPG front, it's Divinity: Original Sin at 90 that seriously stands out as "what the fuck?" when you see the rest of the western love.

the biggest JRPG joke on that list by the way is totally Legend of Dragoon even being on the list.
insult to injury that it's ranked above games like Valkyria Chronicles, Divinity: Original Sin, Illusion of Gaia (where's Terranigma?), KH2, and SO2.

Terranigma is a European and Japanese only game I doubt we see it on their list.
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azuarc
05/05/17 12:13:14 AM
#161:


So the top 20 in the UK list from 5 years ago goes like this:
FF6
CT
BG2
RBY
FF4
Diablo 2
--Skyrim
WoW
--ME1
FO3
--FF7
KOTOR
Planescape
FFT
SoM
Diablo
Earthbound
Dark Souls
--System Shock 2
--Everquest??

Games with dashes already revealed. We can assume for the sake of argument that the remaining games will not be completely snubbed and drop off the list entirely. That means there are 5 slots left, and highly likely to be games that came along since 2012.

Ergo,
The Witcher 3
Mass Effect 2
Fallout 4

What the last two are is anybody's guess. Destiny? Borderlands 2? Bravely Default? Could they really like FFXV?
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azuarc
05/05/17 12:16:13 AM
#162:


kukukupo posted...
Still unrevealed:
-Chrono Trigger
-Persona 4
-Final Fantasy VI
-Final Fantasy X
-Earthbound
-Deus Ex
-Witcher 3
-Planescape Torment
-World of Warcraft
-Mass Effect 2
-Baldur's Gate II
-Diablo 2
-Dark Souls
-Pokemon RBY
-Suikoden II
-Knights of the Old Republic
-Fallout 2
-Fallout 3
-Final Fantasy Tactics

FF8
KH1
other stuff I just named
and maybe they go ahead and put Zelda in there just because.
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Monopoman
05/05/17 12:32:12 AM
#163:


I doubt Final Fantasy 8 makes it on the list especially in the top 20 its a very polarizing Final Fantasy might be one of the most polarizing.
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lordjers
05/05/17 12:58:03 AM
#164:


#1 Zelda OoT confirmed.
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NFUN
05/05/17 1:00:49 AM
#165:


transience posted...
35. Final Fantasy X

what

transience posted...
1. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

what
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Skyridge87
05/05/17 1:14:54 AM
#166:


While I agree on Stardew Valley not exactly fitting the RPG category, what WOULD you classify it as?
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MZero11
05/05/17 1:29:49 AM
#167:


Skyridge87 posted...
While I agree on Stardew Valley not exactly fitting the RPG category, what WOULD you classify it as?


Simulation (farming simulation to be exact)
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Kain66
05/05/17 2:44:17 AM
#168:


Skyrim at #1? Is it that good? I've never played any Elder Scrolls games... Asking seriously
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Jeff Zero
05/05/17 2:53:03 AM
#169:


Kain66 posted...
Skyrim at #1? Is it that good? I've never played any Elder Scrolls games... Asking seriously


It's incredibly influential. It galvanized the genre. Millions and millions of people bought it. It's very atmospheric, but the gameplay systems involved are fairly simplistic, and its nature as a Bethesda open world game prohibits it from telling a great story.

It's a wonderful game to get lost in, though. Fantastic lore, absolutely singular ambiance.
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ChaosTonyV4
05/05/17 2:57:54 AM
#170:


Jeff Zero posted...
but the gameplay systems involved are fairly simplistic


Compared to what?

Sure, individually, each aspect is simple, but when you layer it with everything that can be done, there's no other game series out there as detailed.
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Metal_DK
05/05/17 9:34:43 AM
#171:


Kain66 posted...
Skyrim at #1? Is it that good? I've never played any Elder Scrolls games... Asking seriously


Skyrim is among the most overrated games of all time. Never understood the love it got. It looks amazing, but its dungeon design is pretty poor, the pacing of the game is really bad, and it doesnt really offer much in terms of "eh i just feel like stumbling upon random places". Fast travel kinda made game design lazy in that regard.
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WazzupGenius00
05/05/17 10:20:14 AM
#172:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Jeff Zero posted...
but the gameplay systems involved are fairly simplistic


Compared to what?

Sure, individually, each aspect is simple, but when you layer it with everything that can be done, there's no other game series out there as detailed.

Even compared to other Elder Scrolls games tbqh
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Metal_DK
05/05/17 10:29:02 AM
#173:


Skyrim is clearly a very watered down game. If including the Fallouts for their very similar mold and development/published background (at least since Fallout 3), the best games in the ESO/Fallout series' are easily Daggerfall, Morrowind and New Vegas. Skyrim and Fallout 3 are in a second tier, and Fallout 4 and Oblivion were pretty boring/average games tbh.
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voltch
05/05/17 12:33:48 PM
#174:


Where is the Tran RPG list?

I want to whine about his list, more than IGNs.
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transcience
05/05/17 12:53:17 PM
#175:


I have to make it! I hope you like final fantasy and dragon quest
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The Mana Sword
05/05/17 12:56:56 PM
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transcience
05/05/17 12:58:43 PM
#177:


is ttrpg a jrpg y/n
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The Mana Sword
05/05/17 1:04:17 PM
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FFDragon
05/05/17 1:07:35 PM
#179:


ffd tallest sprite never forget
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The Mana Sword
05/05/17 1:22:18 PM
#180:


I wish I could say that was intentional humor
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transcience
05/05/17 1:27:26 PM
#181:


metal gear solid 2
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ChaosTonyV4
05/05/17 1:53:21 PM
#182:


WazzupGenius00 posted...
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Jeff Zero posted...
but the gameplay systems involved are fairly simplistic


Compared to what?

Sure, individually, each aspect is simple, but when you layer it with everything that can be done, there's no other game series out there as detailed.

Even compared to other Elder Scrolls games tbqh


I was referring to the series, because yeah, obviously Morrowind is more complex.
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azuarc
05/05/17 2:19:33 PM
#183:


Morrowind is great...until you have to play it and remember how slow everything is. Plus your magic doesn't regenerate until you go sleep somewhere, which is obnoxious. And you miss. Constantly.
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transcience
05/05/17 2:23:41 PM
#184:


ign's list finished. I'm on mobile so I can't easily cut and paste but you can click on the link in the first post.
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WazzupGenius00
05/05/17 2:24:58 PM
#185:


top 20 released, full list:

100 EverQuest
99 Wizardry 8
98 Titan Quest
97 Fable II
96 Torchlight II
95 Pillars of Eternity
94 Front Mission 3
93 The Bard's Tale
92 Betrayal at Krondor
91 Freedom Force
90 Divinity: Original Sin
89 Dragon Age: Inquisition
88 Darkest Dungeon
87 Ys Book I & II
86 Kingdom Hearts II
85 Chrono Cross
84 Dragon Warrior VII
83 Final Fantasy
82 Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss
81 EVE Online
80 Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
79 Star Ocean: The Second Story
78 Illusion of Gaia
77 Valkyria Chronicles
76 Icewind Dale II
75 The Legend of Dragoon
74 Disgaea: Hour of Darkness
73 The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings
72 Neverwinter Nights 2
71 Jade Empire
70 Fire Emblem Awakening
69 Odin Sphere Leifthrasir
68 Undertale
67 Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
66 Pool of Radiance
65 Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
64 Lunar: Eternal Blue
63 Phantasy Star Online
62 Breath of Fire III
61 Lunar: Silver Star Story
60 Shining Force II
59 Golden Sun
58 Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals
57 Tales of Vesperia
56 Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
55 Shadow Hearts: Covenant
54 The World Ends With You
53 Phantasy Star IV
52 Final Fantasy VII
51 Stardew Valley
50 Persona 5
49 Xenoblade Chronicles
48 Dragon Age: Origins
47 Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3
46 Grandia II
45 Demon's Souls
44 Xenogears
43 Tales of Symphonia
42 Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines
41 Skies of Arcadia
40 Final Fantasy IX
39 Ogre Battle: The March of the Black Queen
38 Fallout
37 Fire Emblem
36 Neverwinter Nights
35 Baldur's Gate
34 Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
33 Dragon Quest V: Hand of the Heavenly Bride
32 Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
31 Final Fantasy XII
30 Pokémon Sun and Moon
29 Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate
28 Fallout: New Vegas
27 Bloodborne
26 Mass Effect
25 The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
24 Ultima VII: The Black Gate
23 System Shock 2
22 Final Fantasy IV
21 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
20 Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together
19 EarthBound
18 Final Fantasy Tactics
17 Suikoden II
16 Deus Ex
15 Fallout 2
14 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
13 Persona 4 Golden
12 Dark Souls
11 Mass Effect 2
10 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
09 Vagrant Story
08 Diablo II
07 Secret of Mana
06 Planescape: Torment
05 World of Warcraft
04 Pokémon Yellow
03 Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
02 Final Fantasy VI
01 Chrono Trigger

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WazzupGenius00
05/05/17 2:25:45 PM
#186:


Looks like Vagrant Story was the big mystery we hadn't guessed yet
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VeryInsane
05/05/17 2:26:01 PM
#187:


I keep forgetting to try Vagrant Story. Maybe the list inspires me to do so

Also no FFX Huh
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LOLIAmAnAlt
05/05/17 2:26:31 PM
#188:


aw, 3 of the top 5 i guessed right
Surprised at the lack of FFX and Chrono Trigger @ #1
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The Mana Sword
05/05/17 2:27:24 PM
#189:


07 Secret of Mana

you know, maybe this list isn't so bad after all
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iiicon
05/05/17 2:27:34 PM
#190:


I guess whoever liked Diablo games stopped playing them a decade ago but grabbed Torchlight 2 when it came to XBLA.
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GranzonEx
05/05/17 2:27:59 PM
#191:


damn the joke is on FFX fans

Witcher 3 not top 5 either
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swordz9
05/05/17 2:30:45 PM
#192:


Well that update sucks. Top 5 especially though
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WazzupGenius00
05/05/17 2:32:33 PM
#193:


You know, with Automata's reception I'm surprised NieR isn't on here
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The Mana Sword
05/05/17 2:33:23 PM
#194:


WazzupGenius00 posted...
You know, with Automata's reception I'm surprised NieR isn't on here


obviously not RPG enough for this list
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pyresword
05/05/17 2:33:55 PM
#195:


Lol
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Steiner
05/05/17 2:33:59 PM
#196:


ok now i'm ready to whine
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LOLIAmAnAlt
05/05/17 2:35:32 PM
#197:


Where the heck are the Zelda games
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Steiner
05/05/17 2:36:37 PM
#198:


i keep looking at the list again expecting to see ffx somewhere like we've all just been missing it
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swordz9
05/05/17 2:39:08 PM
#199:


Man is Witcher 3 like the newest game in the top 10 by 10-15 years? I don't know the dates of all them though
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The Mana Sword
05/05/17 2:40:48 PM
#200:


swordz9 posted...
Man is Witcher 3 like the newest game in the top 10 by 10-15 years? I don't know the dates of all them though


yep, WoW is the second most-recent at 2004.
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VeryInsane
05/05/17 2:40:51 PM
#201:


swordz9 posted...
Man is Witcher 3 like the newest game in the top 10 by 10-15 years? I don't know the dates of all them though


Basically, second newest is WoW

Though 11-13 are all relatively new
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