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Questionmarktarius 05/04/17 10:59:59 AM #51:	$863, per person, per month, would pay for everyone's healthcare, apparently. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/new-peak-us-health-care-spending-10345-per-person/ That number would probably be far less if all the various middlemen were removed, assuming all the government middlemen didn't end up even more inefficient and redundant all over again. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:878455827] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote>$863, per person, per month, would pay for everyone's healthcare, apparently. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/new-peak-us-health-care-spending-10345-per-person/ That number would probably be far less if all the various middlemen were removed, assuming all the government middlemen didn't end up even more inefficient and redundant all over again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Barenziah Boy Toy 05/04/17 11:00:27 AM #52:	voldothegr8 posted... Roads are used by everyone, the military protects everyone, which is why those are paid for with taxes. Water doesn't come out of taxes, you pay for that separate. Roads are NOT used by everyone. The military DOES NOT protect everyone. Water DOES come out of taxes. The water bill only refers to private home use that you use from the line. All of the infrastructure, all of the water filling the pipes, all of the water being protected in the reservoir, all of that shit leading up to the home is bought and paid for by your taxes - regardless of whether you use it or not. --- You don't need a treaty to have free trade. M Rothbard {Self-Hating Token Asian of the Ivory Tower's Zionist Elite} <cite>Barenziah Boy Toy posted [p:878455842] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Roads are used by everyone, the military protects everyone, which is why those are paid for with taxes. Water doesn't come out of taxes, you pay for that separate.</quote> Roads are NOT used by everyone. The military DOES NOT protect everyone. Water DOES come out of taxes. The water bill only refers to private home use that you use from the line. All of the infrastructure, all of the water filling the pipes, all of the water being protected in the reservoir, all of that shit leading up to the home is bought and paid for by your taxes - regardless of whether you use it or not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 05/04/17 11:01:05 AM #53:	tremain07 posted... KingCrabCake posted... l Dudeboy l posted... Americans are more than happy paying for people to be to be killed overseas, but hate the idea of looking after their own countrymen. Incorrect. Dude, what the fuck. You made this topic and you're giving one word answers. You wanted a debate so debate. don't just post, no you're wrong. That's what trolls do. All i said was he was incorrect in his statement because he was..no need for hostility @tremain07. Im not even arguing with anyone --- Bulls 4 life ! Get Rondo out of here. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:878455873] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>l Dudeboy l posted...</cite> <quote>Americans are more than happy paying for people to be to be killed overseas, but hate the idea of looking after their own countrymen.</quote> Incorrect.</quote> Dude, what the fuck. You made this topic and you're giving one word answers. You wanted a debate so debate. don't just post, no you're wrong. That's what trolls do.</quote> All i said was he was incorrect in his statement because he was..no need for hostility @tremain07. Im not even arguing with anyone</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/04/17 11:02:10 AM #54:	Barenziah Boy Toy posted... Water DOES come out of taxes. The water bill only refers to private home use that you use from the line. All of the infrastructure leading up to the home is bought and paid for by your taxes - regardless of whether you use it or not. Yeah, we get it. Much like roads, water lines are funded at least partly by "everyone", yet there's still no inherent right to have use of it for free. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:878455917] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>Barenziah Boy Toy posted...</cite> <quote>Water DOES come out of taxes. The water bill only refers to private home use that you use from the line. All of the infrastructure leading up to the home is bought and paid for by your taxes - regardless of whether you use it or not.</quote> Yeah, we get it. Much like roads, water lines are funded at least partly by "everyone", yet there's still no inherent right to have use of it for free.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 05/04/17 11:02:16 AM #55:	Barenziah Boy Toy posted... voldothegr8 posted... Roads are used by everyone, the military protects everyone, which is why those are paid for with taxes. Water doesn't come out of taxes, you pay for that separate. Roads are NOT used by everyone. The military DOES NOT protect everyone. Water DOES come out of taxes. The water bill only refers to private home use that you use from the line. All of the infrastructure leading up to the home is bought and paid for by your taxes - regardless of whether you use it or not. Roads are used by everyone and the military does in fact protect all americans. Im not sure what youre trying to say --- Bulls 4 life ! Get Rondo out of here. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:878455926] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>Barenziah Boy Toy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Roads are used by everyone, the military protects everyone, which is why those are paid for with taxes. Water doesn't come out of taxes, you pay for that separate.</quote> Roads are NOT used by everyone. The military DOES NOT protect everyone. Water DOES come out of taxes. The water bill only refers to private home use that you use from the line. All of the infrastructure leading up to the home is bought and paid for by your taxes - regardless of whether you use it or not.</quote> Roads are used by everyone and the military does in fact protect all americans. Im not sure what youre trying to say</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/04/17 11:02:33 AM #56:	KingCrabCake posted... All i said was he was incorrect in his statement because he was.. Gonna go out on a limb and guess you're a Trump supporter --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:878455940] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote> All i said was he was incorrect in his statement because he was..</quote> Gonna go out on a limb and guess you're a Trump supporter</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Barenziah Boy Toy 05/04/17 11:03:11 AM #57:	KingCrabCake posted... Roads are used by everyone and the military does in fact protect all americans. There are plenty of people that stay home and never go out. There are plenty of people that never cross the street and stay on the sidewalks. The sidewalk is private property. The government use the military to selectively protect people. There are plenty of people that are unprotected by society. --- You don't need a treaty to have free trade. M Rothbard {Self-Hating Token Asian of the Ivory Tower's Zionist Elite} <cite>Barenziah Boy Toy posted [p:878455974] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>Roads are used by everyone and the military does in fact protect all americans.</quote> There are plenty of people that stay home and never go out. There are plenty of people that never cross the street and stay on the sidewalks. The sidewalk is private property. The government use the military to selectively protect people. There are plenty of people that are unprotected by society.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 05/04/17 11:03:12 AM #58:	voldothegr8 posted... you pay for that separate. So that people don't misuse thousands of gallons. Even then you're paying fractions of a cent per gallon. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:878455976] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>you pay for that separate.</quote> So that people don't misuse thousands of gallons. Even then you're paying fractions of a cent per gallon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/04/17 11:05:16 AM #59:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... voldothegr8 posted... you pay for that separate. So that people don't misuse thousands of gallons. Even then you're paying fractions of a cent per gallon. There you go. You've stumbled into how to make government healthcare workable. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:878456074] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>you pay for that separate.</quote> So that people don't misuse thousands of gallons. Even then you're paying fractions of a cent per gallon.</quote> There you go. You've stumbled into how to make government healthcare workable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/04/17 11:06:44 AM #60:	Questionmarktarius posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... voldothegr8 posted... you pay for that separate. So that people don't misuse thousands of gallons. Even then you're paying fractions of a cent per gallon. There you go. You've stumbled into how to make government healthcare workable. Yeah it's so weird. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:878456137] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>you pay for that separate.</quote> So that people don't misuse thousands of gallons. Even then you're paying fractions of a cent per gallon.</quote> There you go. You've stumbled into how to make government healthcare workable.</quote> Yeah it's so weird.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Barenziah Boy Toy 05/04/17 11:06:44 AM #61:	Questionmarktarius posted... There you go. You've stumbled into how to make government healthcare workable. By subsidizing the infrastructure and making sure that everyone is guaranteed cheaper access no matter where they are? Thank you for admitting that you want Obamacare or UHC. --- You don't need a treaty to have free trade. M Rothbard {Self-Hating Token Asian of the Ivory Tower's Zionist Elite} <cite>Barenziah Boy Toy posted [p:878456140] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>There you go. You've stumbled into how to make government healthcare workable.</quote> By subsidizing the infrastructure and making sure that everyone is guaranteed cheaper access no matter where they are? Thank you for admitting that you want Obamacare or UHC.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RedZaraki 05/04/17 11:09:44 AM #62:	If you were born in a hospital, your family used healthcare. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6xlumGoB3A <cite>RedZaraki posted [p:878456275] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote>If you were born in a hospital, your family used healthcare.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/04/17 11:10:41 AM #63:	Barenziah Boy Toy posted... Questionmarktarius posted... There you go. You've stumbled into how to make government healthcare workable. By subsidizing the infrastructure and making sure that everyone is guaranteed cheaper access no matter where they are? Thank you for admitting that you want Obamacare or UHC. It's always been a numbers problem as far as I'm concerned, not a political one. Go look at #51. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:878456325] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>Barenziah Boy Toy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>There you go. You've stumbled into how to make government healthcare workable.</quote> By subsidizing the infrastructure and making sure that everyone is guaranteed cheaper access no matter where they are? Thank you for admitting that you want Obamacare or UHC.</quote> It's always been a numbers problem as far as I'm concerned, not a political one. Go look at #51.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 05/04/17 11:11:21 AM #64:	UnfairRepresent posted... KingCrabCake posted... All i said was he was incorrect in his statement because he was.. Gonna go out on a limb and guess you're a Trump supporter Im gonna go out on a limb and say its irrelevant --- Bulls 4 life ! Get Rondo out of here. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:878456350] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote> All i said was he was incorrect in his statement because he was..</quote> Gonna go out on a limb and guess you're a Trump supporter</quote> Im gonna go out on a limb and say its irrelevant</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 05/04/17 11:12:14 AM #65:	Barenziah Boy Toy posted... Thank you for admitting that you want Obamacare or UHC. I know you're not talking to me but absolutely. Honestly, I'd prefer a govt. option for health insurance. Let it out compete the rest of the industry until everyone is on it then bam, single payer. I don't care if the rich have access to a private market where they can pay for better and quicker health care, but absolutely the govt. should at least act as an insurance provider. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:878456396] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>Barenziah Boy Toy posted...</cite> <quote>Thank you for admitting that you want Obamacare or UHC.</quote> I know you're not talking to me but absolutely. Honestly, I'd prefer a govt. option for health insurance. Let it out compete the rest of the industry until everyone is on it then bam, single payer. I don't care if the rich have access to a private market where they can pay for better and quicker health care, but absolutely the govt. should at least act as an insurance provider.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 05/04/17 11:12:18 AM #66:	Barenziah Boy Toy posted... KingCrabCake posted... Roads are used by everyone and the military does in fact protect all americans. There are plenty of people that stay home and never go out. There are plenty of people that never cross the street and stay on the sidewalks. The sidewalk is private property. The government use the military to selectively protect people. There are plenty of people that are unprotected by society. I mean youre lying and exaggerating extremely but you know that already --- Bulls 4 life ! Get Rondo out of here. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:878456405] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>Barenziah Boy Toy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>Roads are used by everyone and the military does in fact protect all americans.</quote> There are plenty of people that stay home and never go out. There are plenty of people that never cross the street and stay on the sidewalks. The sidewalk is private property. The government use the military to selectively protect people. There are plenty of people that are unprotected by society.</quote> I mean youre lying and exaggerating extremely but you know that already</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 05/04/17 11:14:21 AM #67:	Lol imagine thinking paid maternity leave is a bad thing --- http://i.imgur.com/bbRWLI8.gif https://i.imgur.com/A0BErSV.jpg <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:878456513] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote>Lol imagine thinking paid maternity leave is a bad thing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/04/17 11:14:47 AM #68:	KingCrabCake posted... UnfairRepresent posted... KingCrabCake posted... All i said was he was incorrect in his statement because he was.. Gonna go out on a limb and guess you're a Trump supporter Im gonna go out on a limb and say its irrelevant True but the "I don't have to explain anything I just have to say things I dislike are wrong and run away" attitude tends to be common. Questionmarktarius posted... It's always been a numbers problem as far as I'm concerned, not a political one. I don't see how you can take the politics out of it --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:878456537] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote> All i said was he was incorrect in his statement because he was..</quote> Gonna go out on a limb and guess you're a Trump supporter</quote> Im gonna go out on a limb and say its irrelevant</quote> True but the "I don't have to explain anything I just have to say things I dislike are wrong and run away" attitude tends to be common. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote> It's always been a numbers problem as far as I'm concerned, not a political one.</quote> I don't see how you can take the politics out of it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 05/04/17 11:17:44 AM #69:	Even if you don't drive or walk on roads, you benefit from the economics of living in a country that has them. They have enabled trade and commerce to raise the quality of life across the board. Likewise, even if you're generally healthy, you benefit from living in a society that helps the sick. It is supremely stupid to not acknowledge this. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:878456681] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote>Even if you don't drive or walk on roads, you benefit from the economics of living in a country that has them. They have enabled trade and commerce to raise the quality of life across the board. Likewise, even if you're generally healthy, you benefit from living in a society that helps the sick. It is supremely stupid to not acknowledge this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/04/17 11:19:28 AM #70:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Even if you don't drive or walk on roads, you benefit from the economics of living in a country that has them. They have enabled trade and commerce to raise the quality of life across the board. Likewise, even if you're generally healthy, you benefit from living in a society that helps the sick. It is supremely stupid to not acknowledge this. Agreed --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:878456769] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Even if you don't drive or walk on roads, you benefit from the economics of living in a country that has them. They have enabled trade and commerce to raise the quality of life across the board. Likewise, even if you're generally healthy, you benefit from living in a society that helps the sick. It is supremely stupid to not acknowledge this.</quote> Agreed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 05/04/17 11:19:30 AM #71:	UnfairRepresent posted... True but the "I don't have to explain anything I just have to say things I dislike are wrong and run away" attitude tends to be common. He said something extremely stupid and incorrect. If an adult came up to you right now and said the Easter Bunny is real...are you going to say anything other than "no he isnt"? No because it would be a waste of time and energy to explain yourself to someone so far gone --- Bulls 4 life ! Get Rondo out of here. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:878456772] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote> True but the "I don't have to explain anything I just have to say things I dislike are wrong and run away" attitude tends to be common. </quote> He said something extremely stupid and incorrect. If an adult came up to you right now and said the Easter Bunny is real...are you going to say anything other than "no he isnt"? No because it would be a waste of time and energy to explain yourself to someone so far gone</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 05/04/17 11:20:19 AM #72:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Even if you don't drive or walk on roads, you benefit from the economics of living in a country that has them. They have enabled trade and commerce to raise the quality of life across the board. Likewise, even if you're generally healthy, you benefit from living in a society that helps the sick. It is supremely stupid to not acknowledge this. How does me paying for a heroin addicts medical visits make my life better? @Anarchy_Juiblex --- Bulls 4 life ! Get Rondo out of here. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:878456819] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Even if you don't drive or walk on roads, you benefit from the economics of living in a country that has them. They have enabled trade and commerce to raise the quality of life across the board. Likewise, even if you're generally healthy, you benefit from living in a society that helps the sick. It is supremely stupid to not acknowledge this.</quote> How does me paying for a heroin addicts medical visits make my life better? @Anarchy_Juiblex</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/04/17 11:21:42 AM #73:	UnfairRepresent posted... I don't see how you can take the politics out of it You can't, at all, so there's no useful purpose in worrying about it. We're already at the bottom of Reagan's Axiom here, and getting the government out is completely infeasible. Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it. A better, faster, more equitable, and much more effective solution to cutting healthcare costs is to remove third-party payers entirely, except for maybe catastrophic insurance and charity hospitals. When everyone has to pay directly, in cash, for healthcare, the costs will collapse drastically and immediately. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:878456884] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>I don't see how you can take the politics out of it</quote> You can't, at all, so there's no useful purpose in worrying about it. We're already at the bottom of Reagan's Axiom here, and getting the government out is completely infeasible. <quote>Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.</quote> A better, faster, more equitable, and much more effective solution to cutting healthcare costs is to remove third-party payers entirely, except for maybe catastrophic insurance and charity hospitals. When everyone has to pay directly, in cash, for healthcare, the costs will collapse drastically and immediately.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Offworlder1 05/04/17 11:22:47 AM #74:	Health care should be free like it is in some other countries, the US has a terrible mindset for medicine and doctors. --- "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice" <cite>Offworlder1 posted [p:878456937] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote>Health care should be free like it is in some other countries, the US has a terrible mindset for medicine and doctors.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/04/17 11:23:27 AM #75:	KingCrabCake posted... UnfairRepresent posted... True but the "I don't have to explain anything I just have to say things I dislike are wrong and run away" attitude tends to be common. He said something extremely stupid and incorrect. If an adult came up to you right now and said the Easter Bunny is real...are you going to say anything other than "no he isnt"? No because it would be a waste of time and energy to explain yourself to someone so far gone I have religious debates with people frequently. If I'm really that confident in my views I don't fear differing ones. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:878456971] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote> True but the "I don't have to explain anything I just have to say things I dislike are wrong and run away" attitude tends to be common. </quote> He said something extremely stupid and incorrect. If an adult came up to you right now and said the Easter Bunny is real...are you going to say anything other than "no he isnt"? No because it would be a waste of time and energy to explain yourself to someone so far gone</quote> I have religious debates with people frequently. If I'm really that confident in my views I don't fear differing ones.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 05/04/17 11:25:31 AM #76:	Is going to the most extreme examples on a concept that doesn't have the details necessarily ironed out, a fruitful way to argue? Why didn't you go full shit poster and use elective/plastic surgery, like sex changes or something? Real talk though, you're already paying. Under the current system, they use the ER, don't pay their bills, can't get clean, and end up mugging you for H money. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:878457083] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote>Is going to the most extreme examples on a concept that doesn't have the details necessarily ironed out, a fruitful way to argue? Why didn't you go full shit poster and use elective/plastic surgery, like sex changes or something? Real talk though, you're already paying. Under the current system, they use the ER, don't pay their bills, can't get clean, and end up mugging you for H money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Offworlder1 05/04/17 11:27:37 AM #78:	fenderbender321 posted... Offworlder1 posted... Health care should be free like it is in some other countries, the US has a terrible mindset for medicine and doctors. We need to stop using this word. No country has free healthcare. Your right, it should be universal. --- "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice" <cite>Offworlder1 posted [p:878457175] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>Health care should be free like it is in some other countries, the US has a terrible mindset for medicine and doctors.</quote> We need to stop using this word. No country has free healthcare.</quote> Your right, it should be universal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/04/17 11:28:19 AM #79:	fenderbender321 posted... Offworlder1 posted... Health care should be free like it is in some other countries, the US has a terrible mindset for medicine and doctors. We need to stop using this word. No country has free healthcare. Don't be pedantic. By free you know they mean universial. As in you can get a lung transplant or x-ray without paying for each directly. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:878457213] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>Health care should be free like it is in some other countries, the US has a terrible mindset for medicine and doctors.</quote> We need to stop using this word. No country has free healthcare.</quote> Don't be pedantic. By free you know they mean universial. As in you can get a lung transplant or x-ray without paying for each directly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Offworlder1 05/04/17 11:28:33 AM #80:	The US needs universal healthcare like some other countries have. --- "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice" <cite>Offworlder1 posted [p:878457227] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote>The US needs universal healthcare like some other countries have.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/04/17 11:28:49 AM #81:	Offworlder1 posted... fenderbender321 posted... Offworlder1 posted... Health care should be free like it is in some other countries, the US has a terrible mindset for medicine and doctors. We need to stop using this word. No country has free healthcare. Your right, it should be universal. That's not right either. There's no known government healthcare on OGLE-2016-BLG-1195Lb, or even Mars. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:878457243] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>Health care should be free like it is in some other countries, the US has a terrible mindset for medicine and doctors.</quote> We need to stop using this word. No country has free healthcare.</quote> Your right, it should be universal.</quote> That's not right either. There's no known government healthcare on OGLE-2016-BLG-1195Lb, or even Mars.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 05/04/17 11:29:01 AM #82:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Is going to the most extreme examples on a concept that doesn't have the details necessarily ironed out, a fruitful way to argue? Why didn't you go full shit poster and use elective/plastic surgery, like sex changes or something? Real talk though, you're already paying. Under the current system, they use the ER, don't pay their bills, can't get clean, and end up mugging you for H money. Im asking you a question...how does paying for someones hospital visits better my life. Sorry for going to the extreme --- Bulls 4 life ! Get Rondo out of here. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:878457247] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Is going to the most extreme examples on a concept that doesn't have the details necessarily ironed out, a fruitful way to argue? Why didn't you go full shit poster and use elective/plastic surgery, like sex changes or something? Real talk though, you're already paying. Under the current system, they use the ER, don't pay their bills, can't get clean, and end up mugging you for H money.</quote> Im asking you a question...how does paying for someones hospital visits better my life. Sorry for going to the extreme</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Offworlder1 05/04/17 11:30:29 AM #83:	Questionmarktarius posted... Offworlder1 posted... fenderbender321 posted... Offworlder1 posted... Health care should be free like it is in some other countries, the US has a terrible mindset for medicine and doctors. We need to stop using this word. No country has free healthcare. Your right, it should be universal. That's not right either. There's no known government healthcare on OGLE-2016-BLG-1195Lb, or even Mars. Look up what "universal healthcare" means kid. --- "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice" <cite>Offworlder1 posted [p:878457312] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Offworlder1 posted...</cite> <quote>Health care should be free like it is in some other countries, the US has a terrible mindset for medicine and doctors.</quote> We need to stop using this word. No country has free healthcare.</quote> Your right, it should be universal.</quote> That's not right either. There's no known government healthcare on OGLE-2016-BLG-1195Lb, or even Mars.</quote> Look up what "universal healthcare" means kid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/04/17 11:30:50 AM #84:	KingCrabCake posted... Im asking you a question...how does paying for someones hospital visits better my life. Sorry for going to the extreme Well... If you keel over from a heart attack or burst appendix or something, there'd be a hell of a lot less people packed into whatever ER for sniffles and boo-boos and holding up the line. Mostly it would just be illegals then. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:878457329] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>Im asking you a question...how does paying for someones hospital visits better my life. Sorry for going to the extreme</quote> Well... If you keel over from a heart attack or burst appendix or something, there'd be a hell of a lot less people packed into whatever ER for sniffles and boo-boos and holding up the line. Mostly it would just be illegals then.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Barenziah Boy Toy 05/04/17 11:32:20 AM #86:	KingCrabCake posted... Im asking you a question...how does paying for someones hospital visits better my life. Sorry for going to the extreme It sends a message that no matter how shitty your life might get, your country will be there to save your life and health if you need it. --- You don't need a treaty to have free trade. M Rothbard {Self-Hating Token Asian of the Ivory Tower's Zionist Elite} <cite>Barenziah Boy Toy posted [p:878457410] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>Im asking you a question...how does paying for someones hospital visits better my life. Sorry for going to the extreme</quote> It sends a message that no matter how shitty your life might get, your country will be there to save your life and health if you need it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 05/04/17 11:33:47 AM #87:	Barenziah Boy Toy posted... KingCrabCake posted... Im asking you a question...how does paying for someones hospital visits better my life. Sorry for going to the extreme It sends a message that no matter how shitty your life might get, your country will be there to save your life and health if you need it. Nope. Not at all. Try again The message it sends is hey you dont have to do shit because your neighbor will do it for you --- Bulls 4 life ! Get Rondo out of here. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:878457485] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>Barenziah Boy Toy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>Im asking you a question...how does paying for someones hospital visits better my life. Sorry for going to the extreme</quote> It sends a message that no matter how shitty your life might get, your country will be there to save your life and health if you need it.</quote> Nope. Not at all. Try again The message it sends is hey you dont have to do shit because your neighbor will do it for you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Barenziah Boy Toy 05/04/17 11:35:00 AM #88:	KingCrabCake posted... Nope. Not at all. Try again The message it sends is hey you dont have to do shit because your neighbor will do it for you And this mindset is what makes you a typical right-winger, and the rest of us, decent human beings. --- You don't need a treaty to have free trade. M Rothbard {Self-Hating Token Asian of the Ivory Tower's Zionist Elite} <cite>Barenziah Boy Toy posted [p:878457539] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>Nope. Not at all. Try again The message it sends is hey you dont have to do shit because your neighbor will do it for you</quote> And this mindset is what makes you a typical right-winger, and the rest of us, decent human beings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 05/04/17 11:35:29 AM #89:	KingCrabCake posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Is going to the most extreme examples on a concept that doesn't have the details necessarily ironed out, a fruitful way to argue? Why didn't you go full shit poster and use elective/plastic surgery, like sex changes or something? Real talk though, you're already paying. Under the current system, they use the ER, don't pay their bills, can't get clean, and end up mugging you for H money. Im asking you a question...how does paying for someones hospital visits better my life. Sorry for going to the extreme Even heroin addicts have kids and families and jobs. Their sudden death is gonna have bad effects. Hell, maybe they can get proper help and beat their addiction. How does paying for the roads that drug dealers use to traffic their supply make life better? Sometimes we do things we don't like. --- #FeelTheBern http://i.imgur.com/q5z4CUu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6B9oFXh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sy42Dlf.jpg <cite>lilORANG posted [p:878457562] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Is going to the most extreme examples on a concept that doesn't have the details necessarily ironed out, a fruitful way to argue? Why didn't you go full shit poster and use elective/plastic surgery, like sex changes or something? Real talk though, you're already paying. Under the current system, they use the ER, don't pay their bills, can't get clean, and end up mugging you for H money.</quote> Im asking you a question...how does paying for someones hospital visits better my life. Sorry for going to the extreme</quote> Even heroin addicts have kids and families and jobs. Their sudden death is gonna have bad effects. Hell, maybe they can get proper help and beat their addiction. How does paying for the roads that drug dealers use to traffic their supply make life better? Sometimes we do things we don't like.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThyCorndog 05/04/17 11:36:49 AM #91:	people have been brainwashed to think healthcare is less important than having roads or a military like that slavery argument Rand Paul or someone used- saying that if healthcare is a right then you're forcing doctors to work and hence it's slavery. ok so police, firefighters and garbagemen are slaves then too right? every single argument against it is complete and utter garbage. and there is not a single real argument against single-payer, but here we are, slaves to the lobbyists and donors --- Hey what's going on in this thread http://i.imgur.com/6fpKRW8.gif http://i.imgur.com/RNZi0gk.gif <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:878457628] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote>people have been brainwashed to think healthcare is less important than having roads or a military like that slavery argument Rand Paul or someone used- saying that if healthcare is a right then you're forcing doctors to work and hence it's slavery. ok so police, firefighters and garbagemen are slaves then too right? every single argument against it is complete and utter garbage. and there is not a single real argument against single-payer, but here we are, slaves to the lobbyists and donors</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KingCrabCake 05/04/17 11:45:03 AM #94:	Barenziah Boy Toy posted... KingCrabCake posted... Nope. Not at all. Try again The message it sends is hey you dont have to do shit because your neighbor will do it for you And this mindset is what makes you a typical right-winger, and the rest of us, decent human beings. Not a ring winger. Sorry. You're also not a decent human being --- Bulls 4 life ! Get Rondo out of here. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:878458109] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>Barenziah Boy Toy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>Nope. Not at all. Try again The message it sends is hey you dont have to do shit because your neighbor will do it for you</quote> And this mindset is what makes you a typical right-winger, and the rest of us, decent human beings.</quote> Not a ring winger. Sorry. You're also not a decent human being</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 05/04/17 11:45:30 AM #95:	Asherlee10 posted... KingCrabCake posted... Im asking you a question...how does paying for someones hospital visits better my life. Sorry for going to the extreme Because we live in a first-world, civilized society. You want the benefits of the society? It may come with things you don't necessarily want to contribute to for the sake of cohesiveness. The more we provide for our communities, the better we will all be. We provide enough as is --- Bulls 4 life ! Get Rondo out of here. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:878458135] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>Im asking you a question...how does paying for someones hospital visits better my life. Sorry for going to the extreme</quote> Because we live in a first-world, civilized society. You want the benefits of the society? It may come with things you don't necessarily want to contribute to for the sake of cohesiveness. The more we provide for our communities, the better we will all be.</quote> We provide enough as is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Barenziah Boy Toy 05/04/17 11:47:47 AM #96:	KingCrabCake posted... Not a ring winger. Sorry. Could've fooled anyone. You're acting exactly like a typical one. --- You don't need a treaty to have free trade. M Rothbard {Self-Hating Token Asian of the Ivory Tower's Zionist Elite} <cite>Barenziah Boy Toy posted [p:878458258] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>Not a ring winger. Sorry.</quote> Could've fooled anyone. You're acting exactly like a typical one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 05/04/17 11:50:02 AM #97:	Barenziah Boy Toy posted... KingCrabCake posted... Not a ring winger. Sorry. Could've fooled anyone. You're acting exactly like a typical one. Sure. Or youre just ignorant --- Bulls 4 life ! Get Rondo out of here. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:878458359] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>Barenziah Boy Toy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>Not a ring winger. Sorry.</quote> Could've fooled anyone. You're acting exactly like a typical one.</quote> Sure. Or youre just ignorant</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 05/04/17 12:00:19 PM #98:	KingCrabCake posted... Im asking you a question...how does paying for someones hospital visits better my life. A rising tide raises all ships. If you don't see that you're inexorably economically entangled with the rest of the country, I can't help you. Even ignoring that, if nothing else, herd immunity. Sure, you're not going to catch a broken arm (unless I get it my way) but you could see how for example, govt. provided vaccines would help ensure you don't get the flu because there will be less sick people running around. Right? --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:878458901] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>Im asking you a question...how does paying for someones hospital visits better my life.</quote> A rising tide raises all ships. If you don't see that you're inexorably economically entangled with the rest of the country, I can't help you. Even ignoring that, if nothing else, herd immunity. Sure, you're not going to catch a broken arm (unless I get it my way) but you could see how for example, govt. provided vaccines would help ensure you don't get the flu because there will be less sick people running around. Right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 05/04/17 12:12:16 PM #100:	KingCrabCake posted... Asherlee10 posted... KingCrabCake posted... Im asking you a question...how does paying for someones hospital visits better my life. Sorry for going to the extreme Because we live in a first-world, civilized society. You want the benefits of the society? It may come with things you don't necessarily want to contribute to for the sake of cohesiveness. The more we provide for our communities, the better we will all be. We provide enough as is We really really don't. Nobody in the first world should have to choose between being unhealthy or being broke. Nobody should be buying medicene from the black market in the US because the healthcare system is so bad. Rape victims should have to pay more and possibly lose coverage because them being raped is a pre-existed condition. We don't provide nearly enough. And we spend more money to provide less. It's absurd --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:878459563] in Is Healthc... [t:75310439]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>Im asking you a question...how does paying for someones hospital visits better my life. Sorry for going to the extreme</quote> Because we live in a first-world, civilized society. You want the benefits of the society? It may come with things you don't necessarily want to contribute to for the sake of cohesiveness. The more we provide for our communities, the better we will all be.</quote> We provide enough as is</quote> We really really don't. Nobody in the first world should have to choose between being unhealthy or being broke. Nobody should be buying medicene from the black market in the US because the healthcare system is so bad. Rape victims should have to pay more and possibly lose coverage because them being raped is a pre-existed condition. We don't provide nearly enough. And we spend more money to provide less. It's absurd</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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