Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Juliet Starling vs. Earthworm Jim

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FFDragon
05/13/17 9:23:20 PM
#51:


I hope it's a newbie because watching them has been the most entertaining part of this so far.
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DeathChicken
05/13/17 9:23:34 PM
#52:


You're already involved in this, my friend (which places you firmly in category 2)
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Tom Bombadil
05/13/17 9:24:21 PM
#53:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
I finally won mercs someone give me a prize.


https://xkcd.com/391/
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FFDragon
05/13/17 9:27:22 PM
#54:


that is such an apt comic
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GANON1025
05/13/17 9:31:03 PM
#55:


I mean, to be as fair as one can be, not only is this a whole new type of mercs game, and the admins are new to being admins, and they are only two of them but they are also running two games at the same time. Surely even the worst ruling imaginable can have a little leeway in such a circumstance?
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Alany
05/13/17 9:31:17 PM
#56:


DeathChicken posted...
Ooh, who is the replacement? Given what's been displayed here they'd either have to be the dumbest son of a bitch alive, a masochist to even top me(!), or just some poor dude naive enough to not have seen the freight train coming quite yet

Well...
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DeathChicken
05/13/17 9:34:43 PM
#57:


Oh that's another kicker. In our little series of PMs, I feel I was being quite civil. I stressed many times that I didn't even *want* to actually quit over something like this, but who wants to play in a game where you literally get put into an unwinnable match mid-topic with no recourse? Especially over something like Kain, where the actual ruling still makes no damn sense as far as I'm concerned.

To which I was informed that rules are rules (y'know, the rules that were just invented slapdash yesterday), sorry bud, eat your loss and go away. Nope, no can do. That is the one thing that just flat makes me go "Why bother?"
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Alany
05/13/17 9:35:02 PM
#58:


On another more serious note of this match. I don't know about Lollypop chainsaw, so if someone can help me understand a little bit about it.

Juliet is the only one trapped. This means Nick is free to do as he wishes. Can Nick in the time it takes for Jim (who absolutely 100% knows his only opponent is trapped) to free her?

And if not, can Nick talk/deceive Jim into letting her free?
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KanzarisKelshen
05/13/17 9:35:02 PM
#59:


Alany posted...
DeathChicken posted...
Ooh, who is the replacement? Given what's been displayed here they'd either have to be the dumbest son of a bitch alive, a masochist to even top me(!), or just some poor dude naive enough to not have seen the freight train coming quite yet

Well...


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PrivateBiscuit1
05/13/17 9:35:47 PM
#60:


Alany posted...
Well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rifKhFNBM9U

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Drakeryn
05/13/17 9:35:57 PM
#61:


:(
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greengravy294
05/13/17 9:38:55 PM
#62:


Drakeryn posted...
:(

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FFDragon
05/13/17 9:40:20 PM
#63:


meet nick

YJeUBC2
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ScareChan
05/13/17 9:42:13 PM
#64:


DeathChicken posted...
Ooh, who is the replacement? Given what's been displayed here they'd either have to be the dumbest son of a bitch alive, a masochist to even top me(!), or just some poor dude naive enough to not have seen the freight train coming quite yet


oh god please be alany
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Lopen
05/13/17 9:42:51 PM
#65:


Well. The recourse was to iron out the interactions between W100, Kain, Crono, and whoever else before just going in.

I haven't agreed with every ruling from the new regime but I've definitely clarified how everything works before making picks or using abilities.

I do disagree with the Knux ability fizzle firing the triggered Kain ability though particularly if you'd warned in advance.
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ScareChan
05/13/17 9:43:01 PM
#66:


Alany posted...
DeathChicken posted...
Ooh, who is the replacement? Given what's been displayed here they'd either have to be the dumbest son of a bitch alive, a masochist to even top me(!), or just some poor dude naive enough to not have seen the freight train coming quite yet

Well...


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DeathChicken
05/13/17 9:44:22 PM
#67:


I mean I'm willing to accept that maybe Kan just didn't open my PM as I sent it, but it was a little befuddling to see the invalid Knuckles move, send a PM basically going "Yo that isn't valid", go back to the topic and watch everything get rolled anyway
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ScareChan
05/13/17 9:44:26 PM
#68:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
Alany posted...
DeathChicken posted...
Ooh, who is the replacement? Given what's been displayed here they'd either have to be the dumbest son of a bitch alive, a masochist to even top me(!), or just some poor dude naive enough to not have seen the freight train coming quite yet

Well...


(It's not alany

I ain't gone full McMahon yet)


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Lopen
05/13/17 9:45:51 PM
#69:


Like if you were a new player it'd be more forgivable

You gotta stop strongarming your interpretation of the rules and realize things are worded kinda weirdly in this game and everything should be thoroughly ironed out

Insanity doing the same thing over and over etc.
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KanzarisKelshen
05/13/17 9:46:48 PM
#70:


DeathChicken posted...
I mean I'm willing to accept that maybe Kan just didn't open my PM as I sent it, but it was a little befuddling to see the invalid Knuckles move, send a PM basically going "Yo that isn't valid", go back to the topic and watch everything get rolled anyway


I didn't see it until I posted the freeze yeah

Which is why I opted for the compromise of 'knux fails but alice works anyway' since otherwise I'd be giving Eddv an unfair advantage (getting to choose whether or not he pops Kain in case DC had an outplay planned)
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FFDragon
05/13/17 9:46:54 PM
#71:


there is always the problem of abilities not working together because no one takes into account existing abilities when writing a new one, this is true
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Lopen
05/13/17 9:48:37 PM
#72:


I'm not sure why you gave that ability trigger timing either for the record.
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DeathChicken
05/13/17 9:50:10 PM
#73:


Anyway, all of this is why *my* most reasonable request would be to just start everything over from the top. Or hell, as I specifically said...come up with any damn solution that does not result in the current ridiculous topic you are looking at <_<

The fact that the answer was "No, eat your loss" is where we run into a brick wall.
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KanzarisKelshen
05/13/17 9:50:57 PM
#74:


Lopen posted...
I'm not sure why you gave that ability trigger timing either for the record.


Alice changed it to a trigger (see here: http://mercs2015.pbworks.com/w/page/108800677/Alice%20Liddell). I'm not seeing anything in Kain's build that makes it so his ability timings can't be changed?
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DeathChicken
05/13/17 9:52:33 PM
#75:


Because otherwise Kain using his ability would have been a Start of Battle and he would have been subject to Wonderful 100. 'lol'
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Lopen
05/13/17 9:54:32 PM
#76:


No I mean from a gameplay perspective on DC's end. Not sure what was gained by buffering it as a Trigger there.

Btw if you made it Trigger off & Knuckles rather than Lock On Technology you would've been ironclad here
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Lopen
05/13/17 9:55:16 PM
#77:


DeathChicken posted...
Because otherwise Kain using his ability would have been a Start of Battle and he would have been subject to Wonderful 100. 'lol'


If able! He wouldn't have!
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FFDragon
05/13/17 9:55:24 PM
#78:


8qHYWFA
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Lopen
05/13/17 9:57:14 PM
#79:


This is where DC reveals it was to trigger off & Knuckles

Come on do it
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KanzarisKelshen
05/13/17 9:57:42 PM
#80:


Yeah was gonna say

W100 don't somehow force paydowns on SoBbers

Nothing would force Kain to get on the roster and then own himself
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DeathChicken
05/13/17 9:58:37 PM
#81:


And Knuckles is a Trigger. A Trigger can't trigger a Trigger
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JeezyMiyagi
05/13/17 9:59:02 PM
#82:


no alany no peace
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Lopen
05/13/17 10:02:01 PM
#83:


DeathChicken posted...
And Knuckles is a Trigger. A Trigger can't trigger a Trigger


Incorrect
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DeathChicken
05/13/17 10:03:09 PM
#84:


If I'm mistaken then I'm mistaken, but I recall that being gone over back in M4. Otherwise you would have been looking at nigh-infinite Trigger loops and no one wanted to deal with that
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KanzarisKelshen
05/13/17 10:03:35 PM
#85:


Can vouch it's incorrect. Armstrong's Shellmaggeddon is a trigger and it could pop The Boss, who also has a trigger herself. Trigger Soup is a thing!
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banananor
05/13/17 10:04:09 PM
#86:


who quit because they lost 1 match?
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FFDragon
05/13/17 10:04:46 PM
#87:


technically I think he was fired
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DeathChicken
05/13/17 10:09:06 PM
#88:


Was going to say, I don't recall bolding a quit anywhere. I did send a PM ragequitting, and then another one saying I was thinking it over. So technically Kannyboy is loopholing me out to prevent what I assume he thinks is an oncoming FFD situation

Not that I would, as this topic aside I find better venting in just throwing abilities out everywhere while creatively swearing
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Lopen
05/13/17 10:09:49 PM
#89:


Doomguy literally has a Trigger that triggers off his own Trigger

Anyway this isn't all that important I think the resolution of that was messy but yeah. Everything but the slop on the Knux causing Threats to go off is on you though. And that you thought Kain would be a forced roster shows that you didn't really get how the ability interactions went anyway so I understand why you thought the interp was outrageous. If I thought Kain would be a forced roster there I'd think the ruling was outrageous too.
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Drakeryn
05/13/17 10:11:44 PM
#90:


DeathChicken posted...
Was going to say, I don't recall bolding a quit anywhere.

yeah I was wondering, did I miss a post or something
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KanzarisKelshen
05/13/17 10:12:13 PM
#91:


Yeah to clarify Knux revealing DC's hand was totally my bad and I will own up to that shit

It was a fuckup that will not happen again - I WILL catch illegal uses from now on and inform properly. The compromise was a shitty solution I had to implement because there wasn't much better to be done but it's not an acceptable level of admining.
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KanzarisKelshen
05/13/17 10:13:20 PM
#92:


Also yes, I interped the PMs (plural) as a final statement. We allow leaders to send in instructions for results in advance so 'yeah'. When I received the definitive PM of 'I'm out then. See ya' I just went and looked for a replacement early because otherwise I'd have to hold up the game looking for someone.
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Lopen
05/13/17 10:13:22 PM
#93:


Properly informing is not informing imo
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FFDragon
05/13/17 10:13:33 PM
#94:


hey I played nice in M4

I was a little shit at the M3 though
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DeathChicken
05/13/17 10:14:01 PM
#95:


Dawg, I would have accepted "Start the match over and put Kain on 5 weeks of cooldown". I would have accepted literally any compromise except for the total lack of compromise that resulted in this topic
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Lopen
05/13/17 10:15:00 PM
#96:


Also I think forcing DC to exit is bad pr until he starts disrupting the game in ways beyond just being a dick to other leaders in glorious combat. I'd encourage you to reconsider that
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KanzarisKelshen
05/13/17 10:15:14 PM
#97:


DeathChicken posted...
Was going to say, I don't recall bolding a quit anywhere. I did send a PM ragequitting, and then another one saying I was thinking it over. So technically Kannyboy is loopholing me out to prevent what I assume he thinks is an oncoming FFD situation


This is the reasoning yeah - it's not being done out of spite, it's that I don't want a situation of 'abilitynuke one or two people then throw every other match on purpose' to be a thing just because of this ruling.
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Drakeryn
05/13/17 10:15:36 PM
#98:


Lopen posted...
Properly informing is not informing imo

This
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FFDragon
05/13/17 10:16:04 PM
#99:


Lopen posted...
Properly informing is not informing imo


I agree with this tbqh
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greengravy294
05/13/17 10:16:20 PM
#100:


the illegal use of swimsuits for 30 weeks was pretty bad too
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