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_SecretSquirrel
05/21/17 11:56:55 PM
#351:


NBIceman posted...
I don't really want to reread two pages so I apologize if I just missed it, but does anybody have good reasoning for Jinder winning that doesn't include either "making butthurt smarks angry" or "because it's something different and unexpected"?

He's on a really good diet and exercise regim.....AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!
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scarletspeed7
05/21/17 11:57:18 PM
#352:


miszelisabeth00 posted...
ninkendo posted...
WWE India expansion



He said "good" reasoning....

That isn't that

I have to agree. Ring Ka King was better than anything WWE could ever hope to achieve in India.
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ninkendo
05/21/17 11:57:18 PM
#353:


it's a good reason to vince mcmahon

which is the only one that matters
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miszelisabeth00
05/21/17 11:57:49 PM
#354:


scarletspeed7 posted...
I have a great reason why it's awful. In a few hours, Bryan Alvarez will start bitching for a metric month of podcasts.

Okay that might be a reason why it's good.



As he should.

They just gave The Mountie the god damn Title...
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Jakyl25
05/21/17 11:59:04 PM
#355:


JR always talks about how it's important for a non-monster heel Champion to be "beatable." Like, if you feel that anyone COULD beat him at any time if they could just overcome the numbers game, that's money.

Jinder is a perfect guy for this. They tried it with Seth but then he'd go beat people clean and you knew they were invested in him long term.

With Jinder, you honestly feel like any defense could be the end. You know they have no long-term plans for him.
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Lopen
05/21/17 11:59:49 PM
#356:


TheRock1525 posted...
Titus O'Neil winning the title there wouldn't have anywhere near the impact.


In what way is this different?
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Jakyl25
05/22/17 12:00:01 AM
#357:


scarletspeed7 posted...
I have to agree. Ring Ka King was better than anything WWE could ever hope to achieve in India.


Hey that's where the Singh Brothers first got noticed!

And look at them now.
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ZeroSignal620
05/22/17 12:00:02 AM
#358:


Jakyl25 posted...
WCW Russo ran an angle where Goldberg stopped following the script so he had Steiner fight him "for real."


It also gave us Scott Steiner's best promo for eight years.
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NBIceman
05/22/17 12:00:46 AM
#359:


ninkendo posted...
WWE India expansion

Is there reason to believe that Jinder holding the top title of the #2 brand has a significantly greater impact on that than, say, one of the midcard titles? Or hell, Mustafa Ali is a great wrestler, give him the CruiserWeight belt and put him in the spotlight a while.

I just have a hard time believing that Jinder is going to move the needle in any large way.
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Jakyl25
05/22/17 12:00:48 AM
#360:


Lopen posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Titus O'Neil winning the title there wouldn't have anywhere near the impact.


In what way is this different?


Jinder is a better wrestler than Titus for one thing.
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miszelisabeth00
05/22/17 12:00:52 AM
#361:


Jakyl25 posted...
JR always talks about how it's important for a non-monster heel Champion to be "beatable." Like, if you feel that anyone COULD beat him at any time if they could just overcome the numbers game, that's money.

Jinder is a perfect guy for this. They tried it with Seth but then he'd go beat people clean and you knew they were invested in him long term.

With Jinder, you honestly feel like any defense could be the end. You know they have no long-term plans for him.



HOW THE FUCK is that a positive?

We just gave the Title to an admitted jobber, and when he's done he's gonna go right back to the not even appearing on the pre show for PPVs, and this is supposed to be a good thing somehow?
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ninkendo
05/22/17 12:01:33 AM
#362:


Jakyl25 posted...
Lopen posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Titus O'Neil winning the title there wouldn't have anywhere near the impact.


In what way is this different?


Jinder is a better wrestler than Titus for one thing.


shockingly, Jinder is better at promos too
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eaedwards6400
05/22/17 12:02:41 AM
#363:


Wanglicious posted...
eaedwards6400 posted...
Is misz Elizabeth the newest mwc alt?


yeah


Ughhhhhhhhh....

Has no one ever heard of a transition champion? Btw. Or are Scarlet and MWC just doing what their gimmicks are best for and just bitching to bitch?

spoiler alert: I'm probably not gonna check in for an answer.
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Lopen
05/22/17 12:02:58 AM
#364:


ninkendo posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Lopen posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Titus O'Neil winning the title there wouldn't have anywhere near the impact.


In what way is this different?


Jinder is a better wrestler than Titus for one thing.


shockingly, Jinder is better at promos too


Strong disagree on both tbqh.
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Jakyl25
05/22/17 12:03:08 AM
#365:


BTW this is what you get for NOT winning the ARMBAR

LOL Mojo
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Jakyl25
05/22/17 12:03:59 AM
#366:


Lopen posted...
ninkendo posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Lopen posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Titus O'Neil winning the title there wouldn't have anywhere near the impact.


In what way is this different?


Jinder is a better wrestler than Titus for one thing.


shockingly, Jinder is better at promos too


Strong disagree on both tbqh.


Titus once cut quite literally the worst promo in Raw history by an actual wrestler
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NBIceman
05/22/17 12:04:31 AM
#367:


eaedwards6400 posted...
Wanglicious posted...
eaedwards6400 posted...
Is misz Elizabeth the newest mwc alt?


yeah


Ughhhhhhhhh....

Has no one ever heard of a transition champion? Btw. Or are Scarlet and MWC just doing what their gimmicks are best for and just bitching to bitch?

spoiler alert: I'm probably not gonna check in for an answer.

Scarlet is consistently one of the most reasonable posters in this topic and I legit cannot believe he's being attacked simply because he doesn't like something.
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_SecretSquirrel
05/22/17 12:05:28 AM
#368:


Lopen posted...
ninkendo posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Lopen posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Titus O'Neil winning the title there wouldn't have anywhere near the impact.


In what way is this different?


Jinder is a better wrestler than Titus for one thing.


shockingly, Jinder is better at promos too


Strong disagree on both tbqh.

Titus is a terrible wrestler, but he's got memorable offense to his credit.

Meanwhile, Jinder is a competent wrestler, but he's so basic I couldn't tell you a single thing Jinder does besides his finish, and I don't even know what he calls the Cobra Clutch Slam.
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scarletspeed7
05/22/17 12:05:58 AM
#369:


I think it's kind of sad that WWE thinks the only way to push into India is by making one Indian (but not really) guy a star. The movie industry has been exploding in China over the last decade with American made films featuring (mostly) white guys who speak English. Why? Because they make competent movies. WWE knows it doesn't make competent wrestling and the only way to make inroads is to foist some quick heat onto an Indian guy "cuz Indian".

Bret Hart was a huge star in Europe. Was he from any of those countries? No. Stan Hansen was a huge star in Japan. Was he from Japan? No. You can find hundreds of these examples throughout wrestling history. The difference is... you have to have a star people in the location in which you wish to expand care about. And WWE doesn't. Because WWE doesn't even have stars Americans care about anymore.
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ninkendo
05/22/17 12:06:44 AM
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GTM
05/22/17 12:07:07 AM
#371:


That one Titus bad promo, yikes

But one day he'll follow the same path promo-wise as the Miz...
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Jakyl25
05/22/17 12:07:19 AM
#372:


Don't worry, TNA is headed to India soon to push Mahabali Shera
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scarletspeed7
05/22/17 12:07:43 AM
#373:


NBIceman posted...
eaedwards6400 posted...
Wanglicious posted...
eaedwards6400 posted...
Is misz Elizabeth the newest mwc alt?


yeah


Ughhhhhhhhh....

Has no one ever heard of a transition champion? Btw. Or are Scarlet and MWC just doing what their gimmicks are best for and just bitching to bitch?

spoiler alert: I'm probably not gonna check in for an answer.

Scarlet is consistently one of the most reasonable posters in this topic and I legit cannot believe he's being attacked simply because he doesn't like something.

Eaedwards has had a hatred against me for a while now because I made jokes about how old Goldberg was when he returned. Despite the fact that I said I enjoyed his run. I think it was mainly about how I was disappointed we didn't get to see more in the match with Owens.
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TheRock1525
05/22/17 12:07:58 AM
#374:


Kallas you filthy Americans.
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paulg235
05/22/17 12:09:58 AM
#375:


Jakyl25 posted...
BTW this is what you get for NOT winning the ARMBAR

LOL Mojo

Would not be the on bit surprised if it's Mojo Rawley who takes the title off Jinder at WrestleMania next year.

You laugh now, but just you wait...
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NBIceman
05/22/17 12:10:27 AM
#376:


The hardest working man in wrestling has weighed in.

https://twitter.com/Ligero1/status/866485705610055681
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ninkendo
05/22/17 12:11:44 AM
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ninkendo
05/22/17 12:13:54 AM
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scarletspeed7
05/22/17 12:15:19 AM
#379:


ninkendo posted...
actually this is my favorite stroud tweet of the night

https://twitter.com/MrBrandonStroud/status/866480651465314308

That's beautiful.
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Lopen
05/22/17 12:15:58 AM
#380:


_SecretSquirrel posted...
Titus is a terrible wrestler, but he's got memorable offense to his credit.

Meanwhile, Jinder is a competent wrestler, but he's so basic I couldn't tell you a single thing Jinder does besides his finish, and I don't even know what he calls the Cobra Clutch Slam.


This is a great illustration of why I think Titus is better than Jinder btw

Like yeah Titus sucks but when he's on he's way better than Jinder. He had some train wrecks of promos but he's had some good ones too. Give me a guy who has some good things about him and some terrible days over a guy who's kinda boring all the time, every time.
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TheRock1525
05/22/17 12:25:38 AM
#381:


JaKyL once said Finn should not be going 60/40 with Jinder Mahal.

Now Jinder shouldn't be going 60/40 with Finn. >_>
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Jakyl25
05/22/17 12:26:36 AM
#382:


In hindsight I was blind!
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TheRock1525
05/22/17 12:27:38 AM
#383:


Good thing that Finn has a lot of heart.
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scarletspeed7
05/22/17 12:28:07 AM
#384:


So did Andre.
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Jakyl25
05/22/17 12:31:15 AM
#385:


Lot of first time Champs in WWE over the last year

Ambrose
Balor
Owens
Styles
Wyatt
Mahal
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scarletspeed7
05/22/17 12:32:39 AM
#386:


Btw, anyone watching Best of Super Juniors, is there a good source for the matches online? I really want to watch a specific match with Taichi and TAKA that went 9 minutes and had about 5 seconds of actual wrestling.
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do_ob_tpkillr
05/22/17 12:38:01 AM
#387:


Haven't posted here for a long time, so I don't know what's your general consensus on Jinder.

But I've never been on the Jinder meme train that's been so popular around the internet these days. So I don't find any humour in Jinder winning, and I'm simply not happy with Jinder winning in general.
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Jakyl25
05/22/17 1:01:11 AM
#388:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Btw, anyone watching Best of Super Juniors, is there a good source for the matches online? I really want to watch a specific match with Taichi and TAKA that went 9 minutes and had about 5 seconds of actual wrestling.


I'm going to assume you mean "besides New Japan World."
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scarletspeed7
05/22/17 1:14:29 AM
#389:


I don't have access to New Japan World.
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ZeroSignal620
05/22/17 1:17:55 AM
#390:


The salt is real on the PWB
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voltch
05/22/17 1:37:47 AM
#391:


How's it feel now zayn.

Give in to the dark side, use steroids and you will accomplish much, just look at jinder!
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GTM
05/22/17 2:23:49 AM
#392:


for some reason my head is singling out primo to feud with jinder for the wwe championship
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ScareChan
05/22/17 2:58:59 AM
#393:


Well their next ppv will be Jinder vs Orton vs Rusev so Jinder gets to pin Rusev to make everyone look good!
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miszelisabeth00
05/22/17 3:10:17 AM
#394:


So, a few questions.

What is the second highest selling PPV ever (after InVasion) that was not a WM or Starrcade?

And what was the highest selling PPV (again, discounting InVasion) that was not WM, Starrcade, SS, SvS, RR, KotR?
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ZeroSignal620
05/22/17 6:35:23 AM
#395:


miszelisabeth00 posted...
So, a few questions.

What is the second highest selling PPV ever (after InVasion) that was not a WM or Starrcade?

And what was the highest selling PPV (again, discounting InVasion) that was not WM, Starrcade, SS, SvS, RR, KotR?


I found the following through Google...

To answer the first question, SummerSlam 98 had a buy rate of 700K.

Second question: Backlash 2000 with 625K (Austin's first advertised appearance in 5 months = ratings). WCW's #2 ppv was apparently Bash at the Beach 98 with 600K (advertising Hogan and 2 NBA players in the main event will do that)
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miszelisabeth00
05/22/17 6:47:53 AM
#396:


ZeroSignal620 posted...
miszelisabeth00 posted...
So, a few questions.

What is the second highest selling PPV ever (after InVasion) that was not a WM or Starrcade?

And what was the highest selling PPV (again, discounting InVasion) that was not WM, Starrcade, SS, SvS, RR, KotR?


I found the following through Google...

To answer the first question, SummerSlam 98 had a buy rate of 700K.

Second question: Backlash 2000 with 625K (Austin's first advertised appearance in 5 months = ratings). WCW's #2 ppv was apparently Bash at the Beach 98 with 600K (advertising Hogan and 2 NBA players in the main event will do that)


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PrivateBiscuit1
05/22/17 6:58:25 AM
#397:


I feel like I ought to be upset about Jinder, but I find it impossible anymore, frankly.

Because he's not even the worst world champion on the roster right now, because the other one can't be assed to show up. I just know WWE isn't great, they don't make good decisions, but I can only really feel any kind of malice towards decisions that actively annoy me and make watching their product a chore. Jinder isn't like that to me. There are people who are worse.
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imthestuntman
05/22/17 7:22:19 AM
#398:


Wwe presents:

"The realization that part time wrestlers and the extended family of the rock are making the product much worse."

In This ppv all of the part timers and relatives of the rock (the usos, roman reigns, nia jax, that cruiserweight guy who shows up to job on nxt every few months) are forced to compete in i quit matches for any titles they may hold, with all of them losing.

The product becomes infinitely more palletable

I know what youre thinking, this is just more roman hate. But really its uso hate (theyre terrible, both in the ring and out of it.) and brock being given the title for no reason hate.
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ScareChan
05/22/17 7:30:52 AM
#399:


Usos are the best they have been in a very long time. The only other time I cared about them was against the Wyatts. Now they have personality
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voltch
05/22/17 7:33:09 AM
#400:


I wonder if the freakshow ppv will have a buyrate that is more than double the highest ever mania buyrate.
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