Board 8 > Mercenaries Draft Week 1 Results: They jus have to go cause they don' know whack

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ScareChan
05/15/17 12:38:22 PM
#101:


Oh by the way you only get 5 slots to use

Except assist like zerg that are free with Kerrigan.
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Lopen
05/15/17 12:39:37 PM
#102:


Oh right

Be sure to read Kerrigan

http://mercs2015.pbworks.com/w/page/103738503/Sarah%20Kerrigan

And Dr Wily

http://mercs2015.pbworks.com/w/page/106563318/Dr%20Wily

Their peacetime abilities will give you backup in low tier as some of the minions they make are low tier mercs
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Skyridge87
05/15/17 12:40:55 PM
#103:


Attack
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Gatarix
05/15/17 12:46:00 PM
#104:


addendum to Lopen's post: consult the version on your team page, especially for Kerrigan because she hasn't been upgraded yet

http://mercs2015.pbworks.com/w/page/117931221/All%20Mercs%20-%20Fuck%20With%20Us%20(IfGodCouldDie)
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ScareChan
05/15/17 12:47:20 PM
#105:


Oh right

10 exp on Bass' Get Ability

Bass gets Zero's X form

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Lopen
05/15/17 12:48:42 PM
#106:


Also @IfGodCouldDie you have 10 EXP you can assign to any upgrades on your team and you need to do that before Peace goes up in 8 hours. Might wanna glance over your team page Drak linked to find one you like.
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Corrik
05/15/17 12:58:22 PM
#107:


Attacker Defer
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KanzarisKelshen
05/15/17 12:59:45 PM
#108:


@Luis_Sera89
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We're making an edit to Agnès Oblige's build. As the build is now, it's technically not banned from canceling Peacetime effects, which can have massive ripple effects throughout the game (prime example that comes to mind is Shellmaggeddon getting canceled, even if we hope not to see that ability during this draft). Though I believe there's a proviso for abilities of Unacceptable!'s type only affecting abilities declared during the same phase, we'd still like to cover our bases on this one. Otherwise you can get situations where Agnès' team tries to delay its ability phase until leaders exploiting the effects of a peacetime have finished their own phases, so that exploited teams can benefit from ability cancellation and squeeze out free (or at least much easier) wins. This wasn't acceptable with Alucard's old tier flip and it's not acceptable now. Thus, we'll be making the following edit to the build:

-Unacceptable! will have the line '[...] Agnès may deem an enemy's ability usage to be simply unacceptable [...]' changed to the following: 'Agnès may deem the usage of an enemy ability during this Wartime to be simply unacceptable [...]'.
-In a similar vein, ...Unacceptable (the upgrade version) will have the line '[...] Agnès may deem an ally's ability usage to be simply unacceptable [...]' changed to '[...] Agnès may deem the usage of an allied ability during this Wartime to be simply unacceptable [...]'. We love Tira as much as anybody else, but we don't build in failsafes against players screwing up other people's matches by using IRL stalling strats only to forget that everybody's favorite minion loves to break the rules.

Both leaders may, of course, immediately redraft Agnès based on this information, if they so choose (taking up one of their redraft picks as usual). Considering this was very much in 'exploit' territory I wouldn't recommend it because she's a hot commodity and still excellent, but it's your choice.

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Lopen
05/15/17 1:01:11 PM
#109:


It's kind of an implicit rule that you couldn't do that.

I mean good to bulletproof the wording but yeah I think that was understood
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IfGodCouldDie
05/15/17 1:01:14 PM
#110:


I'll probably just forfeit either way, as I really don't think its worthwhile to blow all my gold on a fight I am going to lose anyway.
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KanzarisKelshen
05/15/17 1:02:38 PM
#111:


Corrik posted...
Attacker Defer


Not the phase to defer, but noted, you'll be Attacker.
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greengravy294
05/15/17 1:02:47 PM
#112:


Lopen I PM'd you
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Lopen
05/15/17 1:05:00 PM
#113:


I think it's winnable depending what Eddv does. Particularly with the spawned units from Wily and Kerrigan.
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Lopen
05/15/17 1:05:52 PM
#114:


I mean keep in mind that GP is just a means to get wins in this game. You get too far in the hole and wins stop mattering.
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Gatarix
05/15/17 1:06:11 PM
#115:


At least get yourself a zerg and a robot master. It's free, and Bowser + zergling + Cut Man (or whoever) vs. Knux and EWJ is a pretty solid match. If you still think it's hopeless come roster time, just save them for later.

Also if you make a robot master you get to use their ability, which might be useful.
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IfGodCouldDie
05/15/17 1:10:22 PM
#116:


Gatarix posted...
At least get yourself a zerg and a robot master. It's free, and Bowser + zergling + Cut Man (or whoever) vs. Knux and EWJ is a pretty solid match. If you still think it's hopeless come roster time, just save them for later.

Also if you make a robot master you get to use their ability, which might be useful.

And start next round with no gold again? Then I basically just get to start behind the 8ball again.
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Gatarix
05/15/17 1:11:36 PM
#117:


Gatarix posted...
At least get yourself a zerg and a robot master. It's free

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IfGodCouldDie
05/15/17 1:13:30 PM
#118:


Gatarix posted...
Gatarix posted...
At least get yourself a zerg and a robot master. It's free

I'd still have to spend the money on paydowns.

Besides someone already told me its unlikely I'll even win a match because its my first time so I am not stressing about it either way.
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KanzarisKelshen
05/15/17 1:14:14 PM
#119:


Yeah, uh

Look at Wily and Kerrigan's abilities. Nowhere does it say they cost GP. They list upkeep, but both have passives that make that upkeep not matter up to a certain amount.. I strongly recommend using them every day until you get close to capping because there is 0 downside. Speaking as a former player here, and not an admin, Kerrigan was a merc whose zerg did a ton of work for me by padding out a roster that was otherwise lacking with vicious murderbeasts with a surprising amount of lore hype.
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Gatarix
05/15/17 1:15:44 PM
#120:


You don't have to spend money on paydowns for low-tier mercs, which these are (zergling is 1/week, roach is 3/week, robot masters are 1/week). You only have to spend money if you decide to bring along a hydralisk or mutalisk (4/week).
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IfGodCouldDie
05/15/17 1:16:07 PM
#121:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
Yeah, uh

Look at Wily and Kerrigan's abilities. Nowhere does it say they cost GP. They list upkeep, but both have passives that make that upkeep not matter up to a certain amount.. I strongly recommend using them every day until you get close to capping because there is 0 downside. Speaking as a former player here, and not an admin, Kerrigan was a merc whose zerg did a ton of work for me by padding out a roster that was otherwise lacking with vicious murderbeasts with a surprising amount of lore hype.

I get that the abilities are free but does it not cost money for paydowns?
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Lopen
05/15/17 1:16:55 PM
#122:


You don't need to pay down to use peacetime abilities only to use them during wartime
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KanzarisKelshen
05/15/17 1:16:58 PM
#123:


Gatarix posted...
You don't have to spend money on paydowns for low-tier mercs, which these are (zergling is 1/week, roach is 3/week, robot masters are 1/week). You only have to spend money if you decide to bring along a hydralisk or mutalisk (4/week).


Those can't be paid down.

The units will be stocked until rostered, take roster slots as normal (and cannot be paid in during Peacetime)


So yeah, zero downside, all upside to making a Roach (3/week) or Zergling (2/week pre upgrade).
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Gatarix
05/15/17 1:17:57 PM
#124:


oh my bad

should follow my own advice huh
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IfGodCouldDie
05/15/17 1:18:13 PM
#125:


Oh, I thought I had to paydown Kerrigan and Willy to use their abilities.
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ScareChan
05/15/17 1:19:21 PM
#126:


you dont need to pay down for peace time abilities. Think of Peacetime as everyone is useable
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Lopen
05/15/17 1:19:32 PM
#127:


Only if they're wartime abilities. They're fully on your team during peace regardless of if they're paid down.
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KanzarisKelshen
05/15/17 1:20:27 PM
#128:


What Scare and Lopen said. That's the value of peacetimes, they sort of bypass the tier system. They will work no matter what unless they run into some kind of ability defense (example: Ezio Auditore trying to assassinate The Boss and getting KO'd by her CQC).
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Luis_Sera89
05/15/17 1:49:10 PM
#129:


I'll be the attacker.

I'll also swap out Agnès for Lara.

5 EXP on Selvaria's first upgrade, unlocking it.
10 EXP on Morrigan's Trigger ability, unlocking it.
5 EXP on disabling Dizzy's passive when an ally is KO'd or hit with a damaging ability from an enemy merc, unlocking it.

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Johnbobb
05/15/17 2:04:23 PM
#130:


man IGCD is essentially me my first like 3 months of mercs
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KanzarisKelshen
05/15/17 2:08:27 PM
#131:


Johnbobb posted...
man IGCD is essentially me my first like 3 months of mercs


needs more kirbies imo
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eaedwards6400
05/15/17 2:14:15 PM
#132:


can someone share me the mercs page?
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IfGodCouldDie
05/15/17 2:18:09 PM
#133:


Is there anywhere I can see my exp and gold?
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KanzarisKelshen
05/15/17 2:20:30 PM
#134:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
Is there anywhere I can see my exp and gold?


gold is on the first page. EXP is nowhere yet cause you haven't assigned it. Your team page has your mercs though, here: http://mercs2015.pbworks.com/w/page/117931221/All%20Mercs%20-%20Fuck%20With%20Us%20(IfGodCouldDie)
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IfGodCouldDie
05/15/17 2:28:37 PM
#135:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Is there anywhere I can see my exp and gold?


gold is on the first page. EXP is nowhere yet cause you haven't assigned it. Your team page has your mercs though, here: http://mercs2015.pbworks.com/w/page/117931221/All%20Mercs%20-%20Fuck%20With%20Us%20(IfGodCouldDie)

I thought you said somewhere that there would be exp gains even for losses.
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Tom Bombadil
05/15/17 2:39:35 PM
#136:


There is, but you have to pick who gets it for what upgrades. (and you have a few hours left with which to do so)
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KanzarisKelshen
05/15/17 2:39:50 PM
#137:



I thought you said somewhere that there would be exp gains even for losses.


Correct. You gain 10 EXP on a loss to distribute as you see fit. But YOU have to post where it goes, in bold.
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IfGodCouldDie
05/15/17 3:04:50 PM
#138:


KanzarisKelshen posted...

I thought you said somewhere that there would be exp gains even for losses.


Correct. You gain 10 EXP on a loss to distribute as you see fit. But YOU have to post where it goes, in bold.

Do I lose it if I don't use it? Because I am not going to be home in time to look at where I can put it.
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eaedwards6400
05/15/17 3:05:38 PM
#139:


I will be the attacker and I will upgrade the epoch for Crono.
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KanzarisKelshen
05/15/17 3:05:54 PM
#140:


Have some early standings. No results stuff yet, just making sure I got everything from wartime and ticked down all CDs. As always, check for errors!

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God ???s Eddv [Tier: Low]
DC attacks Lopen [Tier: Low]
Luis attacks Tiro [Tier: Low]


Mewtwo - Ms. Ellie and the Boys (0-1, 12GP)
Low: Ryu (SF), Eleonora Yumizuru, Little Mac
Mid: Kefka, Zack Fair, Armstrong, Luca Blight
High: The Nephalem, Id, Grigori, Yuri Hyuga
Supports: Suika Ibuki (Link: Ellie)
Recharges: Ellie (Ad-Lib, 1 week), Luca (Die Pig, 4 weeks), Ryu (Martial Law, 5 weeks), Suika (Feasting, 3 weeks),
Notes: Nephalem is a man

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God - Fuck With Us! (0-1, 22GP)
Low: Bowser
Mid: Albert Wesker, Psycho Mantis, M. Bison, Dr. Wily, Sigma, Nightmare
High: Sarah Kerrigan, Exdeath, Diablo, Dark Samus
Supports: GLaDOS (Link: Dr. Wily)
Recharges: Bowser (Shell, 3 weeks)
Notes: 1 GP to be refunded in results

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DeathChicken - General Bub's Spiritual Hit Squad (0-1, 27GP)
Low: Crono, Juliet Starling, Geese Howard
Mid: Alice Liddell, Sora, Dracula, Aigis
High: Dante, Arthas, Kuja, Kain
Supports: Ruby Heart (Link: Dante)
Recharges: Crono (Epoch, 1 week), Kain (Balance, 5 weeks)
Notes: 2GP to be refunded in results

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Tirofog - Ride The Lightning (0-1, 3GP)
Low: Claire Redfield, Booker DeWitt, Chrom, Yuffie Kisaragi, Ryu3, Nilin
Mid: Cloud Strife, Terra Branford
High: Archer, Lightning, Lilith
Supports: Professor Oak (Link: Nilin)
Recharges: Nilin (Memory Mix, 2 weeks)
Notes: Cloud is Archer's master, Lilith is a Controller, Ryu3 has Pac-Man and Metal Man genes, Memory Mix can't be used on Bass anymore, Cloud Waifu Index (Lilith6/Terra2/Yuffie2)

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Luis - Hallelujah Essaim (1-0, 16GP)
Low: Sonic, Lara Croft
Mid: Haseo, Jaesa Willsaam, Neptune, Flynn, Selvaria Bles
High: Bayonetta, Vergil, Dizzy
Supports: Carmilla (Link: Haseo), Morrigan (Link: Selvaria)
Recharges: Jaesa (Exsanguination, 2 weeks)
Notes: Vergil is Selvaria's liege, 3GP owed in results

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Skyridge - Maverick Hunters (1-0, 33GP)
Low: Tidus, Frog, Link, Tails, Kaos
Mid: Yuna, Thrall, Pit
High: Mega Man X, Zero, Sephiroth
Supports: Jeigan (Link: X)
Recharges:
Notes: X has copied Tidus' Hastega

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Eddv - Mobile Suit Knuckles (0-0, 26GP)
Low: Knuckles, Earthworm Jim
Mid: D.Va, Shanoa, Mega Man, Sorey, Zeratul
High: Raziel, Elma, Fox, The Wonderful 100
Supports: Dr. Light (Link: Jim)
Recharges: Sorey (Lailah, 4 weeks), Knuckles (Lock-On, 1 week)
Notes: Sorey has his Four Seraphim, Zeratul is Sorey's Sub Lord

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Lopen - Machina Maw (1-0, 23GP)
Low: Rikku, Kirby, Kazuma Kiryu, Tira
Mid: Alucard, Yu Narukami, Doomguy, Liquid Snake, Bass.EXE
High: KOS-MOS, Samus Aran
Supports: CATS (Link: Rikku)
Recharges: KOS-MOS (Calculations, 3 weeks), CATS (WAR, 1 week), Rikku (Steal, 1 week), Bass (Independent, 2 weeks)
Notes: Yu S-Links: Rikku (5)
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KanzarisKelshen
05/15/17 3:06:41 PM
#141:


Boko ???s Eaed [Tier: Low]
Corrik attacks Gravy [Tier: High]
Tom attacks Johnbobb [Tier: High]
Rocket attacks Scare [Tier: Low]


Boko - Boko Reunited (1-0, 33GP)
Low: Nilin, Tira, Morrigan, Kyo Kusanagi
Mid: Alucard, Ansem, Luca Blight
High: Lightning, Dark Samus, Grigori, The Agents
Supports: Monokuma (Link: Lightning)
Recharges: Lightning (Faithful Servant, 2 weeks), Nilin (Memory Remix, 2 weeks), Grigori (Delusions, 3 weeks)
Notes: Lightning has saved Serra's soul, Kyo is Lightning's Escort, Wrex is Arisen (2 weeks), Memory Remix has hit: The Agents, Damus seeds: Nephalem,

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Gravy - Bossman Coolguy's Kingpins (1-0, 31GP)
Low: Eleonora Yumizuru, Agnès Oblige, Y'shtola
Mid: Sorey, Terra Branford, Kefka, Flynn, Mewtwo
High: Shulk, Yuri Hyuga, Dante
Supports: Dr. Light (Link: Mewtwo)
Recharges: Sorey (Lailah, 4 weeks), Ellie (Ad-Lib, 1 week), Flynn (Talk, 4 weeks)
Notes: Four Seraphim, Dante is Sorey's Sub Lord, Agnès is a Black Mage

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Johnbobb - Pink Floyd's "The Kirb" (1-0, 23GP)
Low: Kirby, Booker, Ganondorf, Sonic
Mid: Akuma, Sora, The Prince, Potemkin
High: Vergil, Kratos, Arthas
Supports: CATS (Link: Akuma)
Recharges: CATS (WAR, 1 week)
Notes:

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Scare - Team America (0-1, 10GP)
Low: Chrom, Vivi, Vanille, Big the Cat
Mid: Senator Steven Armstrong, Dr. Wily, Ryu H, Bass.EXE, Raiden (MK)
High: Diablo, Raziel
Supports: Deathwing (Link: Armstrong)
Recharges: Chrom (Pair Up, 1 week)
Notes: Chrom is Dual Guarding Armstrong, Wily has created Pharaoh Man

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Redrocket - Might Controls Everything (0-1, 36GP)
Low: Claire Redfield
Mid: Selvaria Bles, Dragonslayer Ornstein & Executioner Smough, Lu Bu, The Boss, Zeratul
High: Archer, The Nephalem, Wrex, Ridley
Supports: Taiga & Ilya (Link: Claire)
Recharges:
Notes: O&S guard The Boss, Lu Bu is Selvaria's liege, Wrex is Archer's master, Neph is a girl

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Eaed - Suplex Through Time, Bitch (0-1, 26GP)
Low: Crono, Sabin, Beast Incarnate Brock Lesnar, Leon Kennedy
Mid: Cloud Strife, Big Boss, Aigis
High: KOS-MOS, Samus, Final Fantasy 4 Complete Collection, Master Chief
Supports: Rosalina (Link: Beast Incarnate Brock Lesnar)
Recharges: Rosalina (Dimensions, 3 weeks), Brock (Suplex City, 3 weeks), Sabin (Suplex, 3 weeks).
Notes:

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Corrik - Corrik's Sardaukar (0-1, 38GP)
Low: Scorpion
Mid: Zack Fair, Lady, Albert Wesker, Yuna, Nova
High: Bayonetta, Id, Revan, Sephiroth, Kuja
Supports: Abathur (Link: Kuja)
Recharges: Kuja (Invincible, 1 week)
Notes: Nova has Snipe, Revan is a Neutral Scoundrel/Sentinel, Bayonetta is injured (1 rosterable match), 1gp refunded in results

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Tom Bombadil - Get N or Get Out (1-0, 29GP)
Low: Tails, Celes Chere, Little Mac, Geese Howard
Mid: Mega Man, Neptune, Death, Pit
High: Fox McCloud, Zero, X-Death
Supports: Old Man (Link: Geese)
Recharges: Pit (3 Treasures, 3 weeks)
Notes:
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KanzarisKelshen
05/15/17 3:08:47 PM
#142:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...

I thought you said somewhere that there would be exp gains even for losses.


Correct. You gain 10 EXP on a loss to distribute as you see fit. But YOU have to post where it goes, in bold.

Do I lose it if I don't use it? Because I am not going to be home in time to look at where I can put it.


It will be randomized onto someone, so sorta.

eaedwards6400 posted...
I will be the attacker and I will upgrade the epoch for Crono.


Numbers pls, admin team really does appreciate them to make sure there are no mistakes in what the leader's intent is
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redrocket_pub
05/15/17 3:11:39 PM
#143:


i will attack.
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Lopen
05/15/17 3:11:58 PM
#144:


I have 5 too much gp
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KanzarisKelshen
05/15/17 3:14:42 PM
#145:


Lopen posted...
I have 5 too much gp


Fix'd

Also, taking the opportunity to say this: Please put any acquired abilities or customs on your team pages guys! We have archives, but the only player-facing record of them are your pages and concealing information from other players is a no-no. Leave a record of anything you've acquired somewhere, pls.
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Tom Bombadil
05/15/17 3:16:42 PM
#146:


We're in charge of updating that?

...I don't have access anyway >_>
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Lopen
05/15/17 3:17:47 PM
#147:


Also DC said attacker
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KanzarisKelshen
05/15/17 3:20:01 PM
#148:


Tom Bombadil posted...
We're in charge of updating that?

...I don't have access anyway >_>


Wait, you don't have access to the wiki Tom?

...Huh.

Well, you should ask for it. Nobody will mind giving you some.
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IfGodCouldDie
05/15/17 3:21:27 PM
#149:


How much time do I have until exp is due?
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Lopen
05/15/17 3:22:31 PM
#150:


A little over 5 and a half hours to assign exp and decide to attack or defend
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