Board 8 > Freedom, Liberty, Ron Paul - Return of the #fakerich [dwmf]

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no, panicking doesn't accomplish anything when it comes to climate change. taking measures against climate change does.
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"If you think it's bad to panic about a spider on the porch, why are you calmly trying to put out the fire in your kitchen? Checkmate, liberals."
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

no, panicking doesn't accomplish anything when it comes to climate change. taking measures against climate change does.

and referring something to "civilization-destroying" isn't inciting panic?
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yes it is.
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Kenri posted...

"If you think it's bad to panic about a spider on the porch, why are you calmly trying to put out the fire in your kitchen? Checkmate, liberals."

Krugman didn't say "Inciting panic is fine so long as the threat is actually big"

He said "Inciting panic is bad and counterproductive and shouldn't be done"
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SmartMuffin posted...

and referring something to "civilization-destroying" isn't inciting panic?

Not really, if it's accurate. I don't think anyone's panic is really being incited either, both sides of the issue treat it with a lot of fatalism at this point.

But yeah I guess if you interpret what he's doing as inciting panic then he's a hypocrite. Cool beans.
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There is MASSIVE panic about global warming. You don't need to be digging a fallout shelter in your backyard to be panicking. The panic is "we need all these government policies and GW summits to stop global warming or we're fucked" instead of "hey we'll figure it out like we always do, technology is p. cool and there's a huge economic incentive to dominate this market and it would b even bigger f the government stopped getting in the way."

but when you have an ideology to adhere to I guess it's not
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HotDogButts posted...

"hey we'll figure it out like we always do

We've already failed to do this but I guess you're right that when Steve Jobs invents a time machine it'll be fine.
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Why did that "conservative" pick a climate change Krugman quote to skewer him instead of one of his thousands of insane keynesian fear mongering examples?
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Kenri posted...

HotDogButts posted...

"hey we'll figure it out like we always do

We've already failed to do this but I guess you're right that when Steve Jobs invents a time machine it'll be fine.

did our planet already become uninhabitable too
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foolm0r0n posted...

Why did that "conservative" pick a climate change Krugman quote to skewer him instead of one of his thousands of insane keynesian fear mongering examples?

while it's true that the left wildly and hysterically over-exaggerates EVERYTHING, they're generally pretty good about saving "this will be the end of life on Earth" for climate change only
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HotDogButts posted...

did our planet already become uninhabitable too

No?
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at least the left doesn't wildly and hysterically over-exaggerate how terrible taxation is. we leave that to the right!
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SmartMuffin posted...

they're generally pretty good about saving "this will be the end of life on Earth" for climate change only

definitely not krugman though
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Massive resistance to ETH at $250 apparently... but the fact that it has a USD resistance means it truly has broken off from BTC. The last week charts are totally different for both of them.

This is why you diversify btw...
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http://www.teenvogue.com/story/obamas-drone-warfare-is-something-we-need-to-talk-about

teen vogue too woke

drowned by all those citations
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big resistance at 250 but not any larger than 235. took a while to break through that too (relative to ETHs insane past ~2 months), but it's actually really awesome to see such stability out of it right now, especially after the HUGE dump following its original moon mission. It really seems like that big dump got rid of all the shakes investors and now you have the long term holders invested in it, who actually believe in the tech and aren't just trying to day trade crypto or get in on some quick pump. It's showing signs of real sustained growth right now, and so long as the news stays positive on the development front it should continue to provide extremely good returns. Its also nice to feel like I don't have to constantly watch it and feel fine going to work and ignoring it all day.
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lmao I make that post and 5 minutes later we SMASH through 250.
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Hey they finally launched Uber VIP in Houston. Yay for pointless #fakerich rewards programs.
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HotDogButts posted...

lmao I make that post and 5 minutes later we SMASH through 250.

This is my nearly infallible strategy for making long-awaited things happen. The instant you publicly complain about it, it happens, like magic.
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ah, such an innocent time it was 6 weeks ago
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Take a step back. We are all standing on a rock ,spinning around through space.
Just think about it for a second.
It Makes everything else seem so insignificant.
Cheers

This is the kind of shit my family posts on Facebook.
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Imagine if the first time you thought about Earth was cuz of a facebook post
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foolm0r0n posted...

Imagine if the first time you thought about Earth was cuz of a facebook post

Thanks Facebook.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-bridge-terror-attack-fk-fuck-you-im-millwall-hero-roy-larner-football-fan-lion-of-london-a7775246.html

Sports fans to save western civilization. #poyb
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everyone who posts about politics not in the freedom topic
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foolm0r0n posted...

everyone who posts about politics not in the freedom topic

also taxation is theft
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foolm0r0n posted...

everyone who posts about politics not in the freedom topic

I worked with this guy during the election. Except his thoughts came from opinion pieces instead. Didn't matter if the ideas were contradictory, so long as they supported Hilary
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don't you mean shillary

https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/components/video/201609/a_ov_pepe_160928.nbcnews-ux-1080-600.jpg
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2edgy5me
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https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/6g7wh6/the_worlds_most_valuable_brands_oc/

related to what I was saying before about inbev brand value

this is also why 100% of apple's actions are for increasing/maintaining brand value, instead of actually making good products
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The literal only way to increase brand value is by making good products
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SmartMuffin posted...

The literal only way to increase brand value is by making good products

Extremely false in like every way

Seriously give your boss a refund for hiring you god damn
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSKi8HfcxEk

Really all we need is to make a bunch of robots that go around breaking windows
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foolm0r0n posted...

SmartMuffin posted...

The literal only way to increase brand value is by making good products

Extremely false in like every way

Seriously give your boss a refund for hiring you god damn

What was Apple's brand value in the late 80s/early 90s?

What was it in the late 90s/early 2000s?

What is it now?

Now plot the release and widespread usage of their best products on that same axis and watch the correlation.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Now plot the release and widespread usage of their best products on that same axis and watch the correlation.

It's like totally different

Apple brand didn't catch on until the iphone despite very good progress in products, at which point it spiked massively, and the brand value is still growing despite a big drop in product quality

But try plotting their advertising investment vs brand value over time...
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Brand value is all about convincing people the product is worth having, regardless of the actual quality of the product.

Apple is like proof positive of this.
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Bud Light especially though

They're probably the brand with the highest brand vs quality ratio
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nah that's liberals
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You're being so ridiculously dumb, not just about business, but it's really basic science.

If "brand value" is what makes the iphone successful, then why isn't the iwatch successful? Apple TV? Why did iTunes get displaced from a near monopoly on digital music by things like pandora and spotify which were new entrants with literally zero "brand value"

These are literally controlled experiments. The company is the same, the brand is the same, the marketing is the same. The ONLY difference is the quality of product. The good product is wildly successful, the bad product is mediocre at best.
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so mcdonald's is the fast food restaurant with the best food?
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SmartMuffin posted...

Why did iTunes get displaced from a near monopoly on digital music by things like pandora and spotify which were new entrants with literally zero "brand value"

pandora and spotify are totally different products than itunes.
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so mcdonald's is the fast food restaurant with the best food?

If by "best" you mean "best at appealing to a wide variety of people" then yes, it is. And that's the only "best" that really matters in business. You get no points for having a technically superior product that nobody wants and/or can afford. That's why the iphone is the best phone. It wildly kicks the ass of everything else on every metric that actually matters to anyone in business, finance, etc. The fact that a bunch of cheap-ass nerds don't like it because they value technical specs over things like network effects is irrelevant, because cheap-ass nerds make up like 0.1% of the market and can safely be ignored.

pandora and spotify are totally different products than itunes.

Not really. It's the same product with a different pricing model. It also features a battle of "biggest brand in the world" vs "new start up with literally zero brand value" where the new start-up ate their fucking lunch. All by just tweaking the pricing model. It's almost like product differences actually matter. Whoda thunk it.

And oh hey, it's like FEE is monitoring our conversation.

https://fee.org/articles/the-museum-that-celebrates-market-failures-and-rightly-so/

New Coke is always the go-to example. If foolmo's thesis is right, it couldn't possibly fail. It was THE biggest brand in the world supported by a huge marketing campaign.
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SmartMuffin posted...

If by "best" you mean "best at appealing to a wide variety of people" then yes, it is.

sure, but does mcdonald's do a better job at appealing to a wide variety of people than the other fast food chains just because people just like their food the best? their marketing has 0% to do with it?

Not really. It's the same product with a different pricing model. It also features a battle of "biggest brand in the world" vs "new start up with literally zero brand value" where the new start-up ate their fucking lunch. All by just tweaking the pricing model. It's almost like product differences actually matter. Whoda thunk it.

pandora suggests bands and artists for you to listen to based on your taste in music and spotify lets you stream free music. neither of these features are present in itunes unless i'm completely wrong. (could be the case, i rarely use itunes because it is indeed a shit program.)
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sure, but does mcdonald's do a better job at appealing to a wide variety of people than the other fast food chains just because people just like their food the best? their marketing has 0% to do with it?

Not 0%. But also not 100%. Given that at one point, McDonalds was one dude with a burger stand, you cannot explain their success by "brand value." As I keep pointing out, brand value comes from somewhere. And the somewhere is usually "having a really good product that appeals to people." It's like foolmo didn't even watch those commercials where Budweiser traces its lineage back to a poor discriminated against German refugee struggling for acceptance in racist America!

pandora suggests bands and artists for you to listen to based on your taste in music and spotify lets you stream free music. neither of these features are present in itunes unless i'm completely wrong. (could be the case, i rarely use itunes because it is indeed a shit program.)

ITunes has always had a "you may also like" listing when you're browsing pages. The spotify freemium model is just a pricing model difference. You pay by listening to ads rather than forking out cash. These are adjustments to features, the product is still "digital music."
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The literal only way to increase brand value is by making good products.
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If by "best" you mean "best at appealing to a wide variety of people" then yes, it is. And that's the only "best" that really matters in business. You get no points for having a technically superior product that nobody wants and/or can afford.

I submit that McDonalds does not increases its brand value by making good products, but by making adequate, cheap products. You can rephrase your statement to "efficient" or "good for the price" or suchlike, that's fine, as long as you don't end up arguing that McDonalds products are good because they increase the brand value, and that they increase the brand value because they are good products.
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MalcolmMasher posted...

I submit that McDonalds does not increases its brand value by making good products, but by making adequate, cheap products.

that's just semantics. muffin would say that the price of the product is part of the quality.
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I wonder if that's the same definition that everyone Muffin is arguing with is using?
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MalcolmMasher posted...

I wonder if that's the same definition that everyone Muffin is arguing with is using?

Of course not, because everyone arguing with me doesn't have the slightest clue about how capitalism actually works.

"Adequate and cheap" IS "good" for anyone whose financial resources are limited (which is like 95% of people)

MotorTrend declares the Chevy Bolt the "car of the year" in 2016. Do you think they're legitimately trying to say that the Chevy Bolt is a technically superior car to a Bentley or Porsche or whatever?

http://www.motortrend.com/news/chevrolet-bolt-ev-2017-car-of-the-year/
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