Board 8 > turbopuns mafia topic 3: 400 babies

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Nanahara715
05/27/17 10:40:07 AM
#301:


So VI is either town or Red's role immediately puts him on a time role becHse he would be forced to die N1, and even then we wouldn't care about Sceptile's role.

Comedy Option:

VI is scum.
Red was supposed to die scanning him and thus was supposed to be the actual "N1 kill"
And VI's death shot is their unblockable EK.
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VeryInsane
05/27/17 10:47:47 AM
#302:


Well do you think I'm scum, Nana?
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htaeD
05/27/17 10:55:20 AM
#303:


Nanahara715 posted...
So VI is either town or Red's role immediately puts him on a time role becHse he would be forced to die N1, and even then we wouldn't care about Sceptile's role.

Comedy Option:

VI is scum.
Red was supposed to die scanning him and thus was supposed to be the actual "N1 kill"
And VI's death shot is their unblockable EK.


this proposes that scum knows a hider exists and that they can forego a NK to begin with
or that they'd want too

that is a stretch too far
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VeryInsane
05/27/17 10:57:29 AM
#304:


Tempted to just lynch Brohan

Only kept him alive yesterday cause he's funny
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Nanahara715
05/27/17 11:02:59 AM
#305:


htaeD posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
So VI is either town or Red's role immediately puts him on a time role becHse he would be forced to die N1, and even then we wouldn't care about Sceptile's role.

Comedy Option:

VI is scum.
Red was supposed to die scanning him and thus was supposed to be the actual "N1 kill"
And VI's death shot is their unblockable EK.


this proposes that scum knows a hider exists and that they can forego a NK to begin with
or that they'd want too

that is a stretch too far


No it doesn't. What the fuck logic is that?
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VeryInsane
05/27/17 11:04:26 AM
#306:


VeryInsane posted...
Well do you think I'm scum, Nana?

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Nanahara715
05/27/17 11:05:28 AM
#307:


VeryInsane posted...
VeryInsane posted...
Well do you think I'm scum, Nana?


Undecided.

I like Gran, Ben, and Terra as town tbqh, and that's about it.
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VeryInsane
05/27/17 11:05:35 AM
#308:


Another option I am weighing: Chris is scum and built two really easy cases on Death and Sceptile, merely cause they are just cowards
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MZero11
05/27/17 11:12:17 AM
#309:


VeryInsane posted...
Tempted to just lynch Brohan

Only kept him alive yesterday cause he's funny


I could get behind this. He started off good but has been barely around since and doesn't appear to even be reading the game
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VeryInsane
05/27/17 11:14:11 AM
#310:


I was told I was treated as a Miller last night

Huh. Don't think Sceptile would lie about that. Though if scum had a role scanner they would know about that. Hm
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VeryInsane
05/27/17 11:17:05 AM
#311:


My guess is I was always Miller but turbopuns hid it to prevent the Day 1 Miller meta and make Day 2 dumb
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htaeD
05/27/17 11:17:53 AM
#312:


Nanahara715 posted...
htaeD posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
So VI is either town or Red's role immediately puts him on a time role becHse he would be forced to die N1, and even then we wouldn't care about Sceptile's role.

Comedy Option:

VI is scum.
Red was supposed to die scanning him and thus was supposed to be the actual "N1 kill"
And VI's death shot is their unblockable EK.


this proposes that scum knows a hider exists and that they can forego a NK to begin with
or that they'd want too

that is a stretch too far


No it doesn't. What the fuck logic is that?


okay it doesnt propose it
but it does imply scum can only take advantage of the hider/redirector combo if they even are aware of a hider existing
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MZero11
05/27/17 11:20:05 AM
#313:


htaeD posted...
okay it doesnt propose it
but it does imply scum can only take advantage of the hider/redirector combo if they even are aware of a hider existing


what do you mean? What do they have to do differently exactly?
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htaeD
05/27/17 11:20:16 AM
#314:


VeryInsane posted...
My guess is I was always Miller but turbopuns hid it to prevent the Day 1 Miller meta and make Day 2 dumb


I've heard of millers who cant claim miller say1
but delayed millers'd be a new twist
of course another counterproductive thing for scum to do is redirect scanning power towards them, which also points towards townVI
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htaeD
05/27/17 11:21:17 AM
#315:


MZero11 posted...
htaeD posted...
okay it doesnt propose it
but it does imply scum can only take advantage of the hider/redirector combo if they even are aware of a hider existing


what do you mean? What do they have to do differently exactly?


Nana said that scum getting hider to kill himself on VI could be their way of getting a free NK
admitetdly, I missed the 'comedy option' of his post, so Ill stop talking unprobabilities now
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VeryInsane
05/27/17 11:22:24 AM
#316:


I remember hearing of the idea once

No idea if turbopuns was the one who proposed it
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VeryInsane
05/27/17 11:23:15 AM
#317:


Nanahara715 posted...
VeryInsane posted...
VeryInsane posted...
Well do you think I'm scum, Nana?


Undecided.

I like Gran, Ben, and Terra as town tbqh, and that's about it.


Also why Gran and Terra

I liked Gran yesterday but today was a weird explanation for lynching red
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Nanahara715
05/27/17 11:36:55 AM
#318:


htaeD posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
htaeD posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
So VI is either town or Red's role immediately puts him on a time role becHse he would be forced to die N1, and even then we wouldn't care about Sceptile's role.

Comedy Option:

VI is scum.
Red was supposed to die scanning him and thus was supposed to be the actual "N1 kill"
And VI's death shot is their unblockable EK.


this proposes that scum knows a hider exists and that they can forego a NK to begin with
or that they'd want too

that is a stretch too far


No it doesn't. What the fuck logic is that?


okay it doesnt propose it
but it does imply scum can only take advantage of the hider/redirector combo if they even are aware of a hider existing



##Unvote
##Vote: Death


I refuse to believe you're this dense, so I'm forced to believe you're putting bullshit out there for some alternate reason.

IF VI IS SCUM SERIAL LIGHTNING ROD, SCUM KNOWS THAT SO THEY DONT SUBMIT A KILL, AND BECAUSE THE HIDER IS COMPULSIVE/SERIAL, THEY DIE N1 AND SCUM DOESNT NEED TO KNOW THAT AHEAD OF TIME
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Lolo_Guru
05/27/17 12:00:36 PM
#319:


Death [2]: Ben, Nana
Sceptile [1]: (Nana), Doom
VI [1]: Sceptile, (Ulti)

33 hours remaining.
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GranAures
05/27/17 12:24:40 PM
#320:


VeryInsane posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
VeryInsane posted...
VeryInsane posted...
Well do you think I'm scum, Nana?


Undecided.

I like Gran, Ben, and Terra as town tbqh, and that's about it.


Also why Gran and Terra

I liked Gran yesterday but today was a weird explanation for lynching red

Well, of course it will look weird if you only bring up the 80% part and don't bring up the part where I was moving to avoid a potential tiebreaker scenario or a last minute forced draw. I did the same in Nana's previous game, pushing Ulti to a point where there could not be a tie breaker period for fear of potentially giving scum easier access to choose the lynch they wanted.
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Meta_Knight123
05/27/17 12:36:45 PM
#321:


@SceptilesolarYou calling me scum for pushing the vote to be on that guy all day is a bit strange. From my experience with the game of mafia there alot bigger of a chance for mafia to hop on for the kill not push for it.Especially early into the game. Don't get me wrong People can push on someone all day as mafia but I feel like You prob have a majority of the mafia team the red vote. He was playing pretty scummy, so Mafia had a reason to vote. Theres a very good chance for mafia to be between you and death the way the wagons seemed to form.

Town:
Ben
Gran
NaNa

Light scum VI(Excuse me if hes some how confirmed, havent been able to read as much)- Gran's reason made perfect sense and isnt really an alignment indicative thing. NL and Tying on day one is terribad for town, and it would have been an easy ML if he was mafia. If anyone wants to explain me his interaction with red in the night that made him town, I'd be happy.
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htaeD
05/27/17 12:49:58 PM
#322:


Nanahara715 posted...
htaeD posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
htaeD posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
So VI is either town or Red's role immediately puts him on a time role becHse he would be forced to die N1, and even then we wouldn't care about Sceptile's role.

Comedy Option:

VI is scum.
Red was supposed to die scanning him and thus was supposed to be the actual "N1 kill"
And VI's death shot is their unblockable EK.


this proposes that scum knows a hider exists and that they can forego a NK to begin with
or that they'd want too

that is a stretch too far


No it doesn't. What the fuck logic is that?


okay it doesnt propose it
but it does imply scum can only take advantage of the hider/redirector combo if they even are aware of a hider existing



##Unvote
##Vote: Death


I refuse to believe you're this dense, so I'm forced to believe you're putting bullshit out there for some alternate reason.

IF VI IS SCUM SERIAL LIGHTNING ROD, SCUM KNOWS THAT SO THEY DONT SUBMIT A KILL, AND BECAUSE THE HIDER IS COMPULSIVE/SERIAL, THEY DIE N1 AND SCUM DOESNT NEED TO KNOW THAT AHEAD OF TIME


all I was saying was that because scum cant know ahead of time, that they wouldnt find using VI's power an attractive option
you're reacting way too highstrung to me just pondering
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htaeD
05/27/17 12:50:45 PM
#323:


that is to say, you need to chill
not, you're scummy for reacting like this
or at least I dont see it that way
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MysticBrohan
05/27/17 1:11:00 PM
#324:


VeryInsane posted...
Tempted to just lynch Brohan

Only kept him alive yesterday cause he's funny

heck yeah someone thinks im funny
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MysticBrohan
05/27/17 1:11:31 PM
#325:


VeryInsane posted...
Basically if I'm lynched I use a gamble shot on someone

I have more shit to claim, but I am just gonna make a guess

Are all the serial roles 1 use?

no they are not
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MysticBrohan
05/27/17 1:14:09 PM
#326:


town serial unblockable universal lightning rod who just randomly became an miller
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htaeD
05/27/17 1:16:24 PM
#327:


eh I think rods or whatever naturally dont get RBed because that'd create a paradox
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Nanahara715
05/27/17 1:25:46 PM
#328:


htaeD posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
htaeD posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
htaeD posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
So VI is either town or Red's role immediately puts him on a time role becHse he would be forced to die N1, and even then we wouldn't care about Sceptile's role.

Comedy Option:

VI is scum.
Red was supposed to die scanning him and thus was supposed to be the actual "N1 kill"
And VI's death shot is their unblockable EK.


this proposes that scum knows a hider exists and that they can forego a NK to begin with
or that they'd want too

that is a stretch too far


No it doesn't. What the fuck logic is that?


okay it doesnt propose it
but it does imply scum can only take advantage of the hider/redirector combo if they even are aware of a hider existing



##Unvote
##Vote: Death


I refuse to believe you're this dense, so I'm forced to believe you're putting bullshit out there for some alternate reason.

IF VI IS SCUM SERIAL LIGHTNING ROD, SCUM KNOWS THAT SO THEY DONT SUBMIT A KILL, AND BECAUSE THE HIDER IS COMPULSIVE/SERIAL, THEY DIE N1 AND SCUM DOESNT NEED TO KNOW THAT AHEAD OF TIME


all I was saying was that because scum cant know ahead of time, that they wouldnt find using VI's power an attractive option
you're reacting way too highstrung to me just pondering


Are you just not reading? VI said he's serial/compulsive, there's no "scum may find it unattractive to use that option" because THEY WOUDLNT HAVE AN OPTION
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htaeD
05/27/17 1:32:57 PM
#329:


okay
I keep forgetting that part of his apparently incredibly long role

whoops
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Meta_Knight123
05/27/17 1:35:06 PM
#330:


Can people give me reasons independent from your read on a person.

I can make an easy as claim and say I'm something like a serial backup hypno vigi Cop, and with the way you some of you guys have been accepting every claim it would confirm me to that person.

I don't understand the reason vi is getting a pass for claiming something.

That being said, I retract my claim as backup serial hypno vigi cop
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Meta_Knight123
05/27/17 1:35:35 PM
#331:


^^ thats supposed to say VI instead of person
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GranAures
05/27/17 1:46:25 PM
#332:


Meta_Knight123 posted...
Can people give me reasons independent from your read on a person.

I can make an easy as claim and say I'm something like a serial backup hypno vigi Cop, and with the way you some of you guys have been accepting every claim it would confirm me to that person.

I don't understand the reason vi is getting a pass for claiming something.

That being said, I retract my claim as backup serial hypno vigi cop

His role has basically proven it's own existence. This leads to two considerations: A: it is a town role intended to be confirmed by our flipped hider or B: it was intended to draw in and forcibly kill the hider and then die itself once people started figuring out they had all been redirected.

Case B makes for a bad scum role as it forces scum to go 1 for 1 with town. Even if we take the vengeful shot into consideration it is still 2-3 town to 1-2 scum by Day 2 which still feels like a bad trade for them.
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GranAures
05/27/17 1:47:23 PM
#333:


GranAures posted...
Meta_Knight123 posted...
Can people give me reasons independent from your read on a person.

I can make an easy as claim and say I'm something like a serial backup hypno vigi Cop, and with the way you some of you guys have been accepting every claim it would confirm me to that person.

I don't understand the reason vi is getting a pass for claiming something.

That being said, I retract my claim as backup serial hypno vigi cop

His role has basically proven it's own existence. This leads to two considerations: A: it is a town role intended to be confirmed by our flipped hider or B: it was intended to draw in and forcibly kill the hider and then die itself once people started figuring out they had all been redirected.

Case B makes for a bad scum role as it forces scum to go 1 for 1 with town. Even if we take the vengeful shot into consideration it is still 2-3 town to 1-2 scum by Day 2 which still feels like a bad trade for them.

With the above, it would also punish town for doing their job of lynching scum, and that's bad too.
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Sceptilesolar
05/27/17 1:48:20 PM
#334:


Okay fine.

##Unvote

Considering the Hider as well, it is probably impossible for VI to be scum. Since if Red dies N1 and flips Hider, we have a D2 autolynch. There's no way a game can function like that. I'm forced to assume VI was Framed.

To anyone suspecting me, it should be pretty obvious that a) I came into the day believing I had incriminating information on VI and b) After VI claimed to be guilty scanning, I immediately got mad and started badgering him. The reason is obvious. I don't see how you can really be doubting me at this juncture.
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VeryInsane
05/27/17 1:49:28 PM
#335:


Sceptile, puns told me I scanned guilty last night

I think it was just hidden
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Sceptilesolar
05/27/17 1:51:11 PM
#336:


Meta_Knight123 posted...
@SceptilesolarYou calling me scum for pushing the vote to be on that guy all day is a bit strange. From my experience with the game of mafia there alot bigger of a chance for mafia to hop on for the kill not push for it.Especially early into the game. Don't get me wrong People can push on someone all day as mafia but I feel like You prob have a majority of the mafia team the red vote. He was playing pretty scummy, so Mafia had a reason to vote. Theres a very good chance for mafia to be between you and death the way the wagons seemed to form.


This is incredibly disingenuous. You were the one who hopped onto the train, not me. Yeah, you say you were pushing the vote all day, but I see no real evidence that you really wanted to lynch red until Chris brought it up.
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VeryInsane
05/27/17 1:52:56 PM
#337:


Tempted to just call for a mass claim right here right now
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htaeD
05/27/17 1:53:53 PM
#338:


VeryInsane posted...
Sceptile, puns told me I scanned guilty last night

I think it was just hidden


I asked this before
framers should activate the night they target, shouldnt they?
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Sceptilesolar
05/27/17 1:54:39 PM
#339:


So many people have either claimed or significantly hinted at roles, I don't see it being too harmful to mass. Not to mention that what almost looks like the only real town power role modkilled himself yesterday.
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Sceptilesolar
05/27/17 1:55:45 PM
#340:


htaeD posted...
VeryInsane posted...
Sceptile, puns told me I scanned guilty last night

I think it was just hidden


I asked this before
framers should activate the night they target, shouldnt they?


Yes, if VI was framed and puns decided to tell that to VI as a system message, it seems like it would also explain the outcome without resorting to something stupid like a hidden role or cop sanities. Not that it matters, I don't think.
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benjamin3740
05/27/17 2:04:06 PM
#341:


Mass claim! Mass claim! I'm all for it. Let's go. Death can go first ^__^
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MZero11
05/27/17 2:07:06 PM
#342:


I would rather not mass claim tbh
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benjamin3740
05/27/17 2:09:58 PM
#343:


I feel a lot better about Sceptile after the claim. Figured he was either that role or scum, since it fits with his behavior at the start of the day. If he's the only cop in the game then I totally believe him. (And I doubt scum would claim cop like this if they saw a possible counterclaim happening)

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benjamin3740
05/27/17 2:11:11 PM
#344:


MZero11 posted...
I would rather not mass claim tbh

What for?
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DoomTheGyarados
05/27/17 2:13:27 PM
#345:


A cop huh, A LIKELY STORY SCEPTILE.

No, really.

##unvote:
##vote: Death


You're next.
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Sceptilesolar
05/27/17 2:17:59 PM
#346:


##Vote: Chris

Why do tomorrow what you can do today?
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Meta_Knight123
05/27/17 2:20:54 PM
#347:


I called sceptile and Red scum all day. I was fine with either of you dying. That being said if were doing a mass claim I'd rather some others claim first so I can maybe get a confirmed town out of my backup.
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benjamin3740
05/27/17 2:21:11 PM
#348:


Sceptilesolar posted...
##Vote: Chris

Why do tomorrow what you can do today?

Woah, I might have said "high" but I clearly said "chance". Don't take a chance over ***official*** confirmed scum!

Jk,you can do what you want
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eaedwards6400
05/27/17 2:21:40 PM
#349:


GranAures posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
But really I felt nothing towny about those votes. Sure you "liked mzero more than those guys", but you spent the end of the day explaining why Chris and Nana were scum, and Eaed and Red basically became "well better them than me" lynches, which I didn't get a sense you thought were THAT scummy until it was time to change your vote to then

ITP, only scum makes survival votes.


Only scum deals in absolutes
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Sceptilesolar
05/27/17 2:21:52 PM
#350:


benjamin3740 posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
##Vote: Chris

Why do tomorrow what you can do today?

Woah, I might have said "high" but I clearly said "chance". Don't take a chance over ***official*** confirmed scum!

Jk,you can do what you want


I'm not sure what this is in reference to.
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