Poll of the Day > Mark Zuckerberg calls for a universal basic income

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Metro2
05/26/17 12:13:28 PM
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Zuckerberg for President?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJgNKXXhHe8


"Everyone should be paid a universal basic income, Mark Zuckerberg has said.

The Facebook founder said that making sure everyone received basic pay would allow them to take more risks and try out new things, while knowing that they would still be able to afford the basic things they need to live.

The idea of a universal basic income, or UBI, has become popular among technologists and people in Silicon Valley. It allows for more redistributive policies and will be important when automation takes their jobs, they say.

Mr Zuckerberg suggested that the universal basic income would be part of a "new social contract for our generation". He made the recommendation during a Harvard speech that many said looked as if he was planning to become president.

"We should have a society that measures progress not just by economic metrics like GDP, but by how many of us have a role we find meaningful," he said. "We should explore ideas like universal basic income to give everyone a cushion to try new things."
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Blighboy
05/26/17 12:22:58 PM
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He's a celebrity, he's not allowed to voice political opinions unless I share them.
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KevinceKostner
05/26/17 12:23:25 PM
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Universal cuckcare
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TheWorstPoster
05/26/17 12:27:15 PM
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He is an idiot who only got rich with some website that more or less plagiarized another popular one.
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Kimbos_Egg
05/26/17 12:28:35 PM
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and where the hell is the money from this going to come from?
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KevinceKostner
05/26/17 12:28:38 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
He is an idiot who only got rich with some website that more or less plagiarized another popular one.

You mean a self made billionaire like president what's his name?
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TheWorstPoster
05/26/17 12:30:08 PM
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KevinceKostner posted...

You mean a self made billionaire like president what's his name?


A website is far less important than a massive real-estate empire.
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Muffinz0rz
05/26/17 12:31:11 PM
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KevinceKostner posted...
TheWorstPoster posted...
He is an idiot who only got rich with some website that more or less plagiarized another popular one.

You mean a self made billionaire like president what's his name?

>Trump
>Self-made

does not compute
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jedirood
05/26/17 12:33:49 PM
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It sounds great in theory, but...

Kimbos_Egg posted...
where the hell is the money from this going to come from?

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shadowsword87
05/26/17 12:34:18 PM
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jedirood posted...
It sounds great in theory, but...

Kimbos_Egg posted...
where the hell is the money from this going to come from?


Dick pics
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pezzicle
05/26/17 12:36:25 PM
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he's right
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darcandkharg31
05/26/17 12:37:14 PM
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You'd like, have so many people sitting on their asses.
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InfestedAdam
05/26/17 12:37:30 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
He is an idiot who only got rich with some website that more or less plagiarized another popular one.

To be fair, plagiarizing or not, he managed to pull through somehow in a legal manner. However he did it, I don't think being an idiot would be the accurate way to describe him. We can complain about various businessmen/women all we want, if they got that far they're capable enough in some way or another. Or had a lot of help.

Anyway, as the saying goes, "Any idiot can do it" and yet how many have managed to duplicate what was done?
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TheWorstPoster
05/26/17 12:38:23 PM
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AverageBoss
05/26/17 12:42:32 PM
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jedirood posted...
It sounds great in theory, but...

Kimbos_Egg posted...
where the hell is the money from this going to come from?


End all current welfare programs remove their administrative costs. Replace them with a single program tied to peoples tax returns paying them (as an example) half the difference of what the make and $30,000.

Honestly, this is going to become a real big discussion over the next 50 or so years. We are approaching a post scarcity environment. Automation and robotics are increasing at an exponential rate, and unlike the past, job creation can't keep up. Wages are continuing to stagnate and/or decrease for the lower and middle class. 8 people control 17% of the worlds total wealth, and centralized banks hold around 40%.

If these trends continue, something has got to give. That could take the form of mass starvation, civil unrest, new government programs, or entirely new economic models we have not considered seriously yet.
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Doctor Foxx
05/26/17 12:43:22 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
KevinceKostner posted...

You mean a self made billionaire like president what's his name?


A website is far less important than a massive real-estate empire.

How many users and businesses around the world use that website daily? Vs one real estate company out of hundreds or thousands for one region
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Mead
05/26/17 12:45:17 PM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
and where the hell is the money from this going to come from?


Robots, duh
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WarGreymon77
05/26/17 12:50:16 PM
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I'm all for it. I'm not cut out for a job.
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jamieyello3
05/26/17 12:50:43 PM
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What is this, minimum wage with a cap? Free money for everyone?

Good luck with that. We don't even really have a minimum wage anymore.
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thecolorgreen
05/26/17 12:53:50 PM
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fuck no. brianna working at the mcdonalds doesnt need to be paid as much as i do
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deoxxys
05/26/17 12:54:17 PM
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give everyone free money thatll definitely work and doesnt sound communism at all
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jamieyello3
05/26/17 12:55:12 PM
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Also Zuckerberg, please. We need a president with a rational background in politics and a history of not selling out, even if he's supposedly not for tearing down our infastructure like the GOP is. Anything less is not going to do it.

Zuckerberg is known for CreepBook and trying to sell some third world countries Communist internet. He can't just slap Democrat on his head and expect us to like him.
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pezzicle
05/26/17 12:55:34 PM
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thecolorgreen posted...
fuck no. brianna working at the mcdonalds doesnt need to be paid as much as i do

literally not how it works but okay
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KevinceKostner
05/26/17 12:59:28 PM
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AverageBoss posted...
jedirood posted...
It sounds great in theory, but...

Kimbos_Egg posted...
where the hell is the money from this going to come from?


End all current welfare programs remove their administrative costs. Replace them with a single program tied to peoples tax returns paying them (as an example) half the difference of what the make and $30,000.

Honestly, this is going to become a real big discussion over the next 50 or so years. We are approaching a post scarcity environment. Automation and robotics are increasing at an exponential rate, and unlike the past, job creation can't keep up. Wages are continuing to stagnate and/or decrease for the lower and middle class. 8 people control 17% of the worlds total wealth, and centralized banks hold around 40%.

If these trends continue, something has got to give. That could take the form of mass starvation, civil unrest, new government programs, or entirely new economic models we have not considered seriously yet.

Post scarcity lol, when oil hits 200 bucks a barrel that talk will end quick
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Jen0125
05/26/17 1:06:18 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
KevinceKostner posted...

You mean a self made billionaire like president what's his name?


A website is far less important than a massive real-estate empire.


why?

because it's real property vs digital property?

that doesn't make it more important.
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Jen0125
05/26/17 1:08:33 PM
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thecolorgreen posted...
fuck no. brianna working at the mcdonalds doesnt need to be paid as much as i do


that's not how it works at all.

brianna at mcdonalds would get a minimum living wage to afford basic house, food and necessities. you would work your own job to get income above the minimum living wage to afford the nicer things you'd like to do and own. and that would be in addition to your minimum living wage.
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jamieyello3
05/26/17 1:10:00 PM
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A website is far less important than a massive real-estate empire.


Business men and celebrities can fuck off and quit buying our Democracy. Don't even care if they'd be "good".
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thecolorgreen
05/26/17 1:15:03 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
thecolorgreen posted...
fuck no. brianna working at the mcdonalds doesnt need to be paid as much as i do


that's not how it works at all.

brianna at mcdonalds would get a minimum living wage to afford basic house, food and necessities. you would work your own job to get income above the minimum living wage to afford the nicer things you'd like to do and own. and that would be in addition to your minimum living wage.



so it's basically just raising $7.25 to something more reasonable?
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Dynalo
05/26/17 1:17:31 PM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
and where the hell is the money from this going to come from?


You'd just have to tax corporations into oblivion and hope they don't set up shop elsewhere. Likely with a correlation in taxes to how automated the business is. Where it's still cheaper to use automation, but the more automated your business is, the more you pay in taxes.
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deoxxys
05/26/17 1:18:05 PM
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thecolorgreen posted...
Jen0125 posted...
thecolorgreen posted...
fuck no. brianna working at the mcdonalds doesnt need to be paid as much as i do


that's not how it works at all.

brianna at mcdonalds would get a minimum living wage to afford basic house, food and necessities. you would work your own job to get income above the minimum living wage to afford the nicer things you'd like to do and own. and that would be in addition to your minimum living wage.



so it's basically just raising $7.25 to something more reasonable?

no its, everyone gets 1000* dollars a month plus what they make at their job

*example
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RedPixel
05/26/17 1:19:12 PM
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You want money? Work for it.
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The_Beta_Male
05/26/17 1:20:05 PM
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it's funny dude i just randomly thought of this idea myself some time in the last 10 months and now other people are realizing it, too. it would solve so many problems

however, where everyone else and i differ is the part about "durr where would da money come from derrr."

See, me, I wouldn't just stop at "basic income." I would go full-blown dictatorship. Let the government have total fucking power; let them have whatever they want without having to need fucking money to pay for it. Boom, no more taxes--because why? The gov doesn't need money anymore. Boom, no more poor people remaining poor because they no longer have to pay for stupid shit like taxes or work stupid jobs if they don't want to because they'll get a small, but live-able amount of money per month. This would then make those shitty jobs actually have to provide incentive for people to work there: like maybe ACTUAL live-able wages and/or decent work environments? The power would go back to the EMPLOYEES, not the employers. That's how it should be in the first place.

This shit really should have already happened years ago, and I seriously do think the gov having total power would be great, not just for us poor folks who want free money, but for everyone. Sure, it'd be an adjustment process, but in time, it would all work out.

especially if you go even further than that. another idea i had is, well, if the gov is in full control of everything and is gonna provide basic income...why stop there? how about the gov gets off their fucking asses and actually takes care of its fucking people. Basic income AND all basic human needs for free: I'm talking free food, water, ELECTRICITY, internet and possibly a cheap cell phone service--ALL FREE, every month. The food would prob be shitty government quality but it's still food. This would solve so many problems, dude, gosh damn.

and you know what the best part would be? while the gov was making these crooked ass criminal companies like electric providers give away free shit, the CEOs and rich fucks at the top would be all butthurt and shit--BUT THEY LITERALLY COULD DO NOTHING ABOUT IT, LOL. Where's their fucking military? Exactly. Deal with it you rich fuck you don't have a choice

gosh damn that would be amazing
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EvilMegas
05/26/17 1:21:32 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
He is an idiot who only got rich with some website that more or less plagiarized another popular one.


You basically live off his idea, tho.
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jamieyello3
05/26/17 1:24:07 PM
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The_Beta_Male posted...
work stupid jobs

How is anything supposed to get done
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pezzicle
05/26/17 2:09:00 PM
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The_Beta_Male posted...
it's funny dude i just randomly thought of this idea myself some time in the last 10 months and now other people are realizing it, too. it would solve so many problems


the idea of a basic income has been around for decades
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Judgmenl
05/26/17 2:11:04 PM
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He's one of the likely Dem nominees for 2020.

That being said it's a terrible idea and if he's nominated he'll lose in 2020.

I should not be giving ICOYAR money so he can buy a PS4.
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FinalFantasyIV
05/26/17 2:14:01 PM
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how about big Z up there pays all his Facebook users for making his ass rich?
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Fierce_Deity_08
05/26/17 2:21:36 PM
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I'll listen to that asshole when he puts affordable internet in every possible part of the world. Hell, make it free for rural areas. We need to make websites about our cow's bowel movements! (Well, maybe not ones that cool, but whatever.)
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OmegaM
05/26/17 2:25:08 PM
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jamieyello3 posted...
Free money for everyone?

I'm actually not opposed to that for any moral reasons, but I worry that if everybody gets some free money there will be inflation to the point that the free money is meaningless.
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EightySeven
05/26/17 2:30:51 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...

A website is far less important than a massive real-estate empire.


Actually one of the largest big data companies in the world is far more important than another real-estate empire. Honestly this comment is a bit like calling Google "a search engine". Yes it's how they started, but they're so much bigger now and to hand wave them away as a company is super disingenuous.
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Jen0125
05/26/17 2:31:03 PM
#42:


The_Beta_Male posted...
it's funny dude i just randomly thought of this idea myself some time in the last 10 months and now other people are realizing it, too. it would solve so many problems


uh they've been doing this in european countries for years tho
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Jen0125
05/26/17 2:32:11 PM
#43:


deoxxys posted...
thecolorgreen posted...
Jen0125 posted...
thecolorgreen posted...
fuck no. brianna working at the mcdonalds doesnt need to be paid as much as i do


that's not how it works at all.

brianna at mcdonalds would get a minimum living wage to afford basic house, food and necessities. you would work your own job to get income above the minimum living wage to afford the nicer things you'd like to do and own. and that would be in addition to your minimum living wage.



so it's basically just raising $7.25 to something more reasonable?

no its, everyone gets 1000* dollars a month plus what they make at their job

*example


yeah pretty much this. it'd be a yearly amount that you'd receive like a paycheck essentially. it's got nothing to do with working wages.

if anything, if there were a universal living wage employers would be able to make the argument that they should pay LESS wages because everyone is already getting a basic amount to live.
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WarGreymon77
05/26/17 2:32:26 PM
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RedPixel posted...
You want money? Work for it.

Some of us can't, but are also ineligible for government assistance.
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TES_Nut
05/26/17 2:57:49 PM
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deoxxys posted...
give everyone free money thatll definitely work and doesnt sound communism at all


You're right, because communist countries don't do that.
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Go_Totodile
05/26/17 3:01:15 PM
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Mark can probably donate a few billion to kickstart the cause.
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Zeus
05/26/17 3:14:45 PM
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Blighboy posted...
He's a celebrity, he's not allowed to voice political opinions unless I share them.


In general, celebrities are just laypeople with a louder voice. There's really no reason to take their opinions on matters outside their realm of experience any more seriously seriously than those of the guy bagging your groceries (aka Argo, zing!)

KevinceKostner posted...
TheWorstPoster posted...
He is an idiot who only got rich with some website that more or less plagiarized another popular one.

You mean a self made billionaire like president what's his name?


Zuckerberg stole ideas, cheated business partners, engaged in unfair if not illegal business practices, etc... he's basically everything people accuse Trump of being except, instead of providing society with something useful like housing, he created an entertainment site which helps break up families. Not that I fault him for go getting his at the cost of everybody else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYmrPn1CnzY


jedirood posted...
It sounds great in theory, but...

Kimbos_Egg posted...
where the hell is the money from this going to come from?


Pretty much. Even if it docked entitlements (which it likely wouldn't, despite being proposed as a replacement), it would still require far higher taxes.

The_Beta_Male posted...
it's funny dude i just randomly thought of this idea myself some time in the last 10 months and now other people are realizing it, too. it would solve so many problems


It's funny but some other dudes randomly thought of this idea decades ago.

The_Beta_Male posted...
See, me, I wouldn't just stop at "basic income." I would go full-blown dictatorship. Let the government have total fucking power; let them have whatever they want without having to need fucking money to pay for it. Boom, no more taxes--because why? The gov doesn't need money anymore. Boom, no more poor people remaining poor because they no longer have to pay for stupid shit like taxes or work stupid jobs if they don't want to because they'll get a small, but live-able amount of money per month. This would then make those shitty jobs actually have to provide incentive for people to work there: like maybe ACTUAL live-able wages and/or decent work environments? The power would go back to the EMPLOYEES, not the employers. That's how it should be in the first place.


Even monarchies and communists had taxes.
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The_Beta_Male
05/26/17 4:21:31 PM
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it's funny that you people think i care if other people thought of it before

and it's even more funny that you all glossed over my dictatorship ideas; that's what makes my idea different from basic income
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Erik_P
05/26/17 4:25:25 PM
#49:


RedPixel posted...
You want money? Work for it.


When you lose your job to robots how will you be able to work?

UBI isn't being suggested for shits and giggles. It's being brought up because robots will eventually take all our jobs and if nobody has any money we can't buy things which will crash the economy.
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Smarkil
05/26/17 4:45:56 PM
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Erik_P posted...
UBI isn't being suggested for shits and giggles. It's being brought up because robots will eventually take all our jobs and if nobody has any money we can't buy things which will crash the economy.


Well, your job maybe.
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Jen0125
05/26/17 4:49:42 PM
#51:


The_Beta_Male posted...
it's funny that you people think i care if other people thought of it before

and it's even more funny that you all glossed over my dictatorship ideas; that's what makes my idea different from basic income


most people don't read all of your posts because they're stupid
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