Poll of the Day > With so much inequity in the world why do people attribute success to god?

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Doesn't even sound plausible to argue that it's because of your faith in said god. It's hard to believe there isn't a single person that shares your faith with equal if not more devotion that is much worse off than you. It confuses the hell out of me.
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it's narcissism. the only thing more narcissistic than saying "I deserve this" is to say "God decided I deserve this"
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Clench281 posted...

it's narcissism. the only thing more narcissistic than saying "I deserve this" is to say "God decided I deserve this"

mhm, see this shit too much on Facebook.

people writing out essays attributing God to finishing their master degrees and getting an A on a paper, bitch shut the fuck up and just admit you're bragging on yourself
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Clench281 posted...

it's narcissism. the only thing more narcissistic than saying "I deserve this" is to say "God decided I deserve this"

Agreed.
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Most religious people do not see wealth as the defining factor of their lives. There are other things to live for.
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What gets me is when people cured from horrible diseases attribute their health to God instead of the medical practicioners who gave them the care they needed

That KILLS me
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PK_Spam posted...

What gets me is when people cured from horrible diseases attribute their health to God instead of the medical practicioners who gave them the care they needed

That KILLS me

I've heard a medical team attribute survival to God. I was surprised when they said that really. I know many religious doctors of varying faiths. I've always found that interesting.

The medical team can say whatever the fuck they want because they put in the work.

But if a patient says that it wasn't the medical team who saved her, but God, that's when you have problems. Maybe she should've stayed in a church and prayed that sickness away then. Because she seems to think God would've done it anyway.
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PK_Spam posted...

The medical team can say whatever the fuck they want because they put in the work.

But if a patient says that it wasn't the medical team who saved her, but God, that's when you have problems. Maybe she should've stayed in a church and prayed that sickness away then. Because she seems to think God would've done it anyway.

She? There must be a story here you are referring to.

The only time you really have problems is when the person refuses to seek out medical treatment because they think their religion will take care of it. I really don't care what an adult chooses for themselves but when they refuse treatment for a child it is another thing.

Because thinking is hard and death is scary.
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I mostly bring it up because my mom tells me to thank God for getting into medical school. It just really rubbed me the wrong way.
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chaosbowser posted...

It just really rubbed me the wrong way.

I understand why. Instead of validating your work ethic and direct contributions, she wants to thank some being no one can see who may or may not have had any influence on your accomplishment.
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my sister does this...

she's such a bumbling idiot she boiled oil and caught it on fire, and all she can do is stand helplessly carrying a pot in flames in the middle of the kitchen screaming. when I go to figure out why the smoke alarm is going off, I actually do something and put the fire out. that's when the "thank you Lord"s and "thank you Jesus"s start coming. good grief.
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Sahuagin posted...

that's when the "thank you Lord"s and "thank you Jesus"s start coming. good grief.

It's good she thinks of you so highly though.
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wwinterj25 posted...

It's good she thinks of you so highly though.

heh. she's mental to say the least...
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Clench281 posted...

it's narcissism. the only thing more narcissistic than saying "I deserve this" is to say "God decided I deserve this"

Actually, someone who achieved success on their own merit saying "I deserve this" is not narcessitic. It's a statement of fact.

Saying "God thinks I deserve this" is just delusional and probably narcessitic for someone who actually believes in an imaginary sky fairy. Cause think about it. To think that you are so self important that an omnipotent being of judeo Christian mythology that is ultra powerful cares about any mere human is the definition of narcessitic.

But saying- I did it myself when you did is not.
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Conner4REAL posted...

narcessitic

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I mostly thought it was a way to credit luck but sure religious people are just narcissistic assholes only I guess.
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J_Dawg983 posted...

I mostly thought it was a way to credit luck but sure religious people are just narcissistic assholes only I guess.

then why not just say luck?
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chaosbowser posted...

J_Dawg983 posted...

I mostly thought it was a way to credit luck but sure religious people are just narcissistic assholes only I guess.

then why not just say luck?

Maybe they think god did help them? Maybe the thought of god helped the get through hard times? I don't know I'm not religious but the thank god speech never came off as god chose me to be this good as you guys took it.
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J_Dawg983 posted...

chaosbowser posted...

J_Dawg983 posted...

I mostly thought it was a way to credit luck but sure religious people are just narcissistic assholes only I guess.

then why not just say luck?

Maybe they think god did help them? Maybe the thought of god helped the get through hard times? I don't know I'm not religious but the thank god speech never came off as god chose me to be this good as you guys took it.

Well saying god helped you is basically saying that you deserved divine intervention while others did not. It's not a matter of interpretation but when you actually look at what it means to say thank god for your fortune it suggests an inflated sense of self worth.
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Clench281 posted...

it's narcissism. the only thing more narcissistic than saying "I deserve this" is to say "God decided I deserve this"

Holy shit you still exist??
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shadowSEXil posted...

Clench281 posted...

it's narcissism. the only thing more narcissistic than saying "I deserve this" is to say "God decided I deserve this"

Holy shit you still exist??

He's been occasionally posting.
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chaosbowser posted...

Doesn't even sound plausible to argue that it's because of your faith in said god. It's hard to believe there isn't a single person that shares your faith with equal if not more devotion that is much worse off than you. It confuses the hell out of me.

That doesn't make any sense.

Clench281 posted...

it's narcissism. the only thing more narcissistic than saying "I deserve this" is to say "God decided I deserve this"

Which is a bizarre interpretation based more on spite than anything.

RCtheWSBC posted...

people writing out essays attributing God to finishing their master degrees and getting an A on a paper, bitch shut the fuck up and just admit you're bragging on yourself

It depends if you believe that all people are born equally intelligent, equally fit, equally capable, and equally motivated. If you do, lol. If you don't, clearly there are factors beyond their control -- which go behind being endowed with natural ability -- which are partly responsible for their success. Whether you blame it on random chance or a god, there's not much difference.

chaosbowser posted...

then why not just say luck?

Because they believe in god? Technically speaking, it's really a matter of luck anyway. After all, the people who we are is largely a mix of genetics and environment. Or, if you're a hardcore believer, only a matter of genetics and environment. Excluding some crazy coincidence which looks like an act of a god or other higher entity, of course.

However, on a more basic level, a believer could be thankful to their creator for their mere existence, unlike you ingrates who never offer me any thanks or praise.
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I'll give you praise when you stop posting in political threads

Faith healing is still stupid
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jedirood posted...

I'll give you praise when you stop posting in political threads

And when humans start handling their politics properly, I won't need to comment.
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Believing in god doesn't really validate thanking god unless you are just merely thanking him for existing in the first place. Attributing a matter of pure luck to god is to believe you are worth more to god than others are because you have this luck.
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Some people might not agree with me but I feel it's a similar sort of reason as to why some well-off people like to think that if a person fails to overcome poverty, then that means they deserve their status because they lack responsibility.
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chaosbowser posted...

Believing in god doesn't really validate thanking god unless you are just merely thanking him for existing in the first place. Attributing a matter of pure luck to god is to believe you are worth more to god than others are because you have this luck.

People pray to god for something, then they get it. Given that they prayed beforehand, they think he played a hand in smoothing out the variables. And, if it doesn't happen, they generally write off the shortcoming on themselves or, if they refuse to accept fault, they blame god for everything that goes wrong in their lives and become an atheist professor who debates a student in some shitty movie Carl couldn't shut up about.

jramirez23 posted...

Some people might not agree with me but I feel it's a similar sort of reason as to why some well-off people like to think that if a person fails to overcome poverty, then that means they deserve their status because they lack responsibility.

And, scientifically speaking, they wouldn't be entirely wrong since the idea of genetics encourages that idea. And if, as neuroscientists suggest, choice is an illusion because we're hardwired towards certain actions, people wind up exactly where they should be.
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Zeus posted...

And, scientifically speaking, they wouldn't be entirely wrong since the idea of genetics encourages that idea. And if, as neuroscientists suggest, choice is an illusion because we're hardwired towards certain actions, people wind up exactly where they should be.

It seems like this view just puts too much trust in "destiny" and "nature." I'm not saying that people are blank slates, but don't you think that luck or environment also plays a role in getting people where they are?
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jramirez23 posted...

Zeus posted...

And, scientifically speaking, they wouldn't be entirely wrong since the idea of genetics encourages that idea. And if, as neuroscientists suggest, choice is an illusion because we're hardwired towards certain actions, people wind up exactly where they should be.

It seems like this view just puts too much trust in "destiny" and "nature." I'm not saying that people are blank slates, but don't you think that luck or environment also plays a role in getting people where they are?

Not really sure there would be any "luck" in that scenario, although environment would play *some* role. However, as we know from studies with siblings and even twins, people within the same environment will often turn out very differently. (Although separated-at-birth identical twins have often ironically wound up doing the same kind of work.)
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jramirez23 posted...

Zeus posted...

And, scientifically speaking, they wouldn't be entirely wrong since the idea of genetics encourages that idea. And if, as neuroscientists suggest, choice is an illusion because we're hardwired towards certain actions, people wind up exactly where they should be.

It seems like this view just puts too much trust in "destiny" and "nature." I'm not saying that people are blank slates, but don't you think that luck or environment also plays a role in getting people where they are?

You're taking a troll seriously. Stop doing that
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jedirood posted...

jramirez23 posted...

Zeus posted...

And, scientifically speaking, they wouldn't be entirely wrong since the idea of genetics encourages that idea. And if, as neuroscientists suggest, choice is an illusion because we're hardwired towards certain actions, people wind up exactly where they should be.

It seems like this view just puts too much trust in "destiny" and "nature." I'm not saying that people are blank slates, but don't you think that luck or environment also plays a role in getting people where they are?

You're taking a troll seriously. Stop doing that

Says the guy who claims to side with SJWs on issues then frequently uses homophobic insults. Such a cognitive dissonance is likely a sign of trolling considering that even anti-SJWs don't pull the shit you do.
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I'm waiting for you to show me these homophobic posts.

Oh wait, you can't, because you're pulling it out of your ass
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