Board 8 > turbopuns mafia topic 5 (ft. the end of day 2)

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Ulti can you enable me tonight and let me get another roleblock in? Is that how that works?
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I thought that was called a Reloader. But then I still don't really understand Ulti's claim.
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I'm liking Gran less and less because he was super active in RPG Mafia but seems wildly different here.
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Nanahara715 posted...

I'm liking Gran less and less because he was super active in RPG Mafia but seems wildly different here.

Keep in mind I also never woke up to 200+ posts in RPG mafia either and have been running out of mental steam over here. Doesn't help when near all the activity takes place during work or sleep. Ibwill say it's a fair point to make though.

I can also say the return for you, because for all the Nana fire I'd have expected to see a noticeable presence to try to turn Terra's lynch onto someone else but I'm pretty sure all the yellow posts I saw were Terra during that whole mess.

Anywho, @Sceptilesolar since I have the opportunity now, gun to my head with a day vig in my hands I'd flip a coin between Ulti and Brohan. Brohan has given jack nothing so it is a far less substantial feeling and more a desire to just get him sorted before giving it the chance to bite us is the ass. Ulti, conversely just had a case of read whiplash and I am having severe BFZ flashbacks from his claim.

Beyond that, it would really depend on what flipped from your scan. If a Scum extra kill, such as strongman, flipped it would i be irrevocable grounds to lynch ben but a blocker or Ninja flip would give me a better feeling on him. Before your scan though I have to keep him scum side. As he admitted himself confirmed town VI is absolutely a save but making sure doc can't make that save is going to make doc look like ass.
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What does BFZ flashbacks mean? Another game?
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Sceptilesolar posted...

What does BFZ flashbacks mean? Another game?

Battle for Zendikar, and yes. In that particular game Ulti claimed Town Vanilla then later added in that he had received a Gambler shot from being on the Day 2 scum lynch which he "used" to shoot scum Roleblocker but said he would still flip Vanilla. He was actually the equivalent to a godfather and had used the factional kill to shoot his own team mate and proceeded to solo win the game. Similarly in this game he opened with a Backup Tracker("vanilla") and now has a claim that nobody understands.
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I admit Ulti's claim seems very hard to swallow, contradicting a role that has already flipped.
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GranAures posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

I'm liking Gran less and less because he was super active in RPG Mafia but seems wildly different here.

Keep in mind I also never woke up to 200+ posts in RPG mafia either and have been running out of mental steam over here. Doesn't help when near all the activity takes place during work or sleep. Ibwill say it's a fair point to make though.

I can also say the return for you, because for all the Nana fire I'd have expected to see a noticeable presence to try to turn Terra's lynch onto someone else but I'm pretty sure all the yellow posts I saw were Terra during that whole mess.

Anywho, @Sceptilesolar since I have the opportunity now, gun to my head with a day vig in my hands I'd flip a coin between Ulti and Brohan. Brohan has given jack nothing so it is a far less substantial feeling and more a desire to just get him sorted before giving it the chance to bite us is the ass. Ulti, conversely just had a case of read whiplash and I am having severe BFZ flashbacks from his claim.

Beyond that, it would really depend on what flipped from your scan. If a Scum extra kill, such as strongman, flipped it would i be irrevocable grounds to lynch ben but a blocker or Ninja flip would give me a better feeling on him. Before your scan though I have to keep him scum side. As he admitted himself confirmed town VI is absolutely a save but making sure doc can't make that save is going to make doc look like ass.

That would be because I wasn't there, and posted earlier that I wouldn't be there between 7 and 9:30.

Nanahara715 posted...

You know, I really want Terra's claim to suss out options.

Catching the 7:10 Pirates so will be back by the deadline

I forgot days were ending at 9 and not 10 :/
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MZero11 posted...

Ulti can you enable me tonight and let me get another roleblock in? Is that how that works?

I don't know what my results are, but you were going to be my target tonight. They can't stop me, you, Sceptile, and Chris all at once.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

UItimaterializer posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

Since we're unlikely to get another mislynch this game, we should probably each be constructing a likely four-player scum team to pursue. Particularly those of us who are likely to be shot.

Nana, Gran, Ben, Brohan.

What about Gran makes you not like him? The others are all fairly easy to understand. Gran seems more like potentially process of elimination.

I think the scum team is made up of all the bad players. Leaving Chris alive is so fuckin dumb.
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@MysticBrohan

show yourself!
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I'm at work till 10 again btw.
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Brohan's refusal to play the game is so egregious that I would be asking for him to replace out if I was not so interested in lynching him. I scanned Brohan guilty N2.

##Vote: Brohan
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I can get behind that before going off to bed.

##Vote: Brohan
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I am almost disappointed you went with such an obvious target
good news tho if true
thats a very likely if, since again, town would be very underpowered without a cop

but I still want to spend tomorrow reading everything again to satisfy my own paranoid brain
cant rule out that this is a ploy to save Ben after all
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Well, I don't really care if Ben is lynched today. I think there's no universe where he doesn't get lynched within the next two days, so it makes next to no difference when specifically. So I don't think you need to worry about that.

One thing I was thinking about is Ulti saying he was turned into a miller. That actually makes me like him a bit better. Based on VI's comments and flip I've been pretty sure scum has a Millerizer/modified Framer, and having it be 1 shot doesn't make much sense. It's probably an exact mirror of me. Which means that Ulti probably was actually Millerized N2, being a decently likely target.
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Nanahara715 posted...

Chris is probably scum too

Brohan town

Gran still town but I'm more neutral now.

Ben is town.

More blurred on Sceptile but meh.

Yeah, I suck this game.
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Nanahara715 posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Chris is probably scum too

Brohan town

Gran still town but I'm more neutral now.

Ben is town.

More blurred on Sceptile but meh.

Yeah, I suck this game.

Or you are scum, which seems like a reasonable possibility. I have suspected about you and Ben for a while. It seems like a few people have you on their scum lists also. Though we have other fish to fry for the next two days.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

Well, I don't really care if Ben is lynched today. I think there's no universe where he doesn't get lynched within the next two days, so it makes next to no difference when specifically. So I don't think you need to worry about that.

One thing I was thinking about is Ulti saying he was turned into a miller. That actually makes me like him a bit better. Based on VI's comments and flip I've been pretty sure scum has a Millerizer/modified Framer, and having it be 1 shot doesn't make much sense. It's probably an exact mirror of me. Which means that Ulti probably was actually Millerized N2, being a decently likely target.

I support that Ulti was likely Millerized if it was multi shot, but this says nothing about his alignment.

VI revealed that he was informed that he was Millerized, revealing that the target receives notification. If it were multi shot, scum would realize that whoever they Millerized would just claim "Millerized" and could get written up as town. The usage is thus limited. Scum could Millerize, or pretend to millerize, their own player and claim exactly as Ulti did.
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wouldnt a millerized scum be a godfather?
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ben [3]: Chris, Ulti, eaed
Brohan [2]: Sceptile, Gran
Ulti [1]: Nana
Chris [0]: (MZero)

26.25 hours remaining. 6 votes to lynch.
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htaeD posted...

wouldnt a millerized scum be a godfather?

No?
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Nanahara715 posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

Well, I don't really care if Ben is lynched today. I think there's no universe where he doesn't get lynched within the next two days, so it makes next to no difference when specifically. So I don't think you need to worry about that.

One thing I was thinking about is Ulti saying he was turned into a miller. That actually makes me like him a bit better. Based on VI's comments and flip I've been pretty sure scum has a Millerizer/modified Framer, and having it be 1 shot doesn't make much sense. It's probably an exact mirror of me. Which means that Ulti probably was actually Millerized N2, being a decently likely target.

I support that Ulti was likely Millerized if it was multi shot, but this says nothing about his alignment.

VI revealed that he was informed that he was Millerized, revealing that the target receives notification. If it were multi shot, scum would realize that whoever they Millerized would just claim "Millerized" and could get written up as town. The usage is thus limited. Scum could Millerize, or pretend to millerize, their own player and claim exactly as Ulti did.

That is true, but that seems questionably better than actually using the power.

Either way this is like less than 5% improvement in my opinion of Ulti. I just thought it was worth bringing up.

htaeD posted...

wouldnt a millerized scum be a godfather?

Not unless we are using some sort of nonsense definition of the role.
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guess it wouldnt make sense

just kept imagining the implausibility of a scum scanning innocent because he was millerized
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Okay, we're lining up the scum lynches I can dig this. I don't share your sentiments about feeling better about Ulti though Sceptile but he's on the side of the angels today so I guess it doesn't matter as much.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

Brohan's refusal to play the game is so egregious that I would be asking for him to replace out if I was not so interested in lynching him. I scanned Brohan guilty N2.

##Vote: Brohan

We're still killing Ben first. I want their blocker gone so town's power (you) can get more scans off.
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UItimaterializer posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

Brohan's refusal to play the game is so egregious that I would be asking for him to replace out if I was not so interested in lynching him. I scanned Brohan guilty N2.

##Vote: Brohan

We're still killing Ben first. I want their blocker gone so town's power (you) can get more scans off.

Maybe it's just me feeling like even if we lose I'd at least like one scum dead. Not that I really think Ben is town. Nothing he's doing fits in with what I'd expect from town, from passively going along with the 'there's only one protective role' argument from D2 to his not particularly fervent defense of himself today. Also the fact that he still hasn't been hammered.

If there's anything, it's just the tiny bit of doubt that I'm being strung along by you and Chris. But I don't know if lynching Brohan instead of Ben will actually resolve that.
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Anyway, I can use the rest of the day to try to figure out the last scum. This is presuming Chris and Ulti are town (from my perspective, I think they have to either be both town or both scum). I think Nana is a good place to look for one of the scum. Other than that, I guess Gran is the only reasonable candidate? Eaed and death are there, but I have felt pretty good about them for most of the game. MZero... I don't know. He's the other alternative.
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There's nothing incredibly persuasive about MZero's RB claim. I guess the only reason why I believe it is that it's a pointless lie. Which is a very WIFOM way to think. I've had some issues with MZero in the game, but if Chris is town I suspect him less. Meanwhile I haven't thought all that much about Gran. I believe he was also on Ben's confirmed town list, which obviously is a little questionable at the moment.
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I am reasonably sure that scum doesn't have two roleblockers.

...I hope.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I am reasonably sure that scum doesn't have two roleblockers.

...I hope.

Sure, but MZero isn't confirmed RB, is he? That's what I meant by saying it isn't persuasive but it doesn't have much point as a lie either.
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Yeah that's true. That'd be one amazing lie like you said.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

Brohan's refusal to play the game is so egregious that I would be asking for him to replace out if I was not so interested in lynching him. I scanned Brohan guilty N2.

##Vote: Brohan

Ben first, then Brohan.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

Brohan's refusal to play the game is so egregious that I would be asking for him to replace out if I was not so interested in lynching him. I scanned Brohan guilty N2.

##Vote: Brohan

Ben first, then Brohan.

Ew. No. You would be making a grave grave mistake
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##Vote: Brohan

Really hope he flips a role that gives us some info
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Please tell me I don't see people fucking letting mafia's roleblocker live.
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ben [3]: Chris, Ulti, eaed
Brohan [3]: Sceptile, Gran, ben
Ulti [1]: Nana
Chris [0]: (MZero)

21.25 hours remaining. 6 votes to lynch.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

UItimaterializer posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

Brohan's refusal to play the game is so egregious that I would be asking for him to replace out if I was not so interested in lynching him. I scanned Brohan guilty N2.

##Vote: Brohan

We're still killing Ben first. I want their blocker gone so town's power (you) can get more scans off.

Maybe it's just me feeling like even if we lose I'd at least like one scum dead. Not that I really think Ben is town. Nothing he's doing fits in with what I'd expect from town, from passively going along with the 'there's only one protective role' argument from D2 to his not particularly fervent defense of himself today. Also the fact that he still hasn't been hammered.

If there's anything, it's just the tiny bit of doubt that I'm being strung along by you and Chris. But I don't know if lynching Brohan instead of Ben will actually resolve that.

Scept, the reason for this is because my feelings on the matter have evolved. On day 2 when Terra and Chris claimed, I wanted to lynch one of them, because yes, 3 protection is too much. Since Chris countered Tera, Chris' role looked more believable. If I looked "passive", it was because I was still fairly unsure since I had town read Terra. Once Terra changed his claim, it was convenient enough that I thought it was likely scum changing their claim after a doctor claimed, so i continued the kill on him. After seeing that Terra was a freakish role like that, I'm afraid to meta roles too much. Also I think it's not so bad in the game to have a jailer and doctor. The thing I do not like from Chris is how he is not dead yet. He says its because scum wants to mislynch him.;.but seriously why would anyone do that??? He's a hard player to kill, AND he was doctor. Unblocked Night 3 apparently. That is hard to overlook.
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UItimaterializer posted...

Please tell me I don't see people fucking letting mafia's roleblocker live.

Prove I am Mafia's roleblocker, then we'll talk. I am not.
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This is the game plan. We kill Brohan today, who is confirmed scum unless Scept is lying. I really do not think he is.

In the night, if I must be scanned, do so. Definitely me over Chris, since I am the one who people want to lynch and will likely be the last mislynch if everyone stays on this track. If Chris is town, he will protect the cop. If Chris is roleblocked, he will see who targeted him. If Chris is killed, Cop will get his scan off. If Chris claims that I blocked him, then I will know for a fact he is mafia. I am out of jails
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I never put Gran in the confirmed town book, but I got towny vibes early on. Nana is still town until we see a backup scum flip. If Brohan flips backup, then I will definitely look harder into Nana.

And Chris being scum is still a huge possibility. I just dont want to lynch him today, since I feel like we will definitely learn the truth in the night. And he is useful to have around tonight for reasons I mentioned in the post above
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Ben, what are your thoughts on the fact that MZero is counterclaiming you?
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I was trying not to think about any role meta earlier. But something concrete I want to say, is that I'm not sure if him and Chris can be scum together. If Mzero saw me block Chris, would he still try to claim roleblocker? It could be a really risky way to get me lynched, but a dangerous move for him if I was confirmed town. If he is scum claiming it, he probably thought I was still one-use. He claims to have blocked Brohan twice, who is scum. That can either be a good sign or a bad sign. It's only bad because if they are scum together then Mzero could be just telling Brohan to lie about being blocked by him. Since Mzero is ninja, we'd never know. And ulti claims roleblocked, so if that is Mero's doing then that is also extremely risky. Same with claiming ninja! That is why it is so hard to determine what Mzero is right now based on what i know. This is not a normal game, so I am trying not to role meta. Believe me, if I was scum then I would still be metaing the hell out of everything because that is the easier way to play. But after Terra's death I am rying to be extra careful
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But if you think I am not killing Mzero for roleclaim similarities because I am not serious about being jailer, that's wrong. And even as scum I wouldnt be making that mistake
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UltimaterializerX posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

UItimaterializer posted...

Please tell me I don't see people fucking letting mafia's roleblocker live.

Prove I am Mafia's roleblocker, then we'll talk. I am not.

Chris already proved this, and frankly you have no say on who gets lynched.

"Just scan me" is also really scummy, since we have evidence scum can manipulate scans.

Well i didnt think about that. In that case dont scan me, because I'd likely get hit with the Millerizer. >_> (Or maybe it was 2 use. It's only happened twice in the game right?)
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By the way, Brohan's continued silence is pretty much him begging us to kill him over Ben.

Let's not take that bait.
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Actually hold on. Another reason I think Chris probably cant be scum, because why would he even TRY to kill VI that night knowing he's gonna get flak for not saving him. I mean yes he claimed doctor at that point and doomed himself. And then the question occurs of why did Scum kill VI at all knowing Chris would probably definitely save him. In that scenario of Chris being town, Chris was roleblocked by someone else. Do psychics see Ninjas??? Starting to think Mzero is definitely scum if Chris is town. UNLESS there is a third roleblocker who also blocked Ulti. We will know tonight I believe

Moral of the story, it is ultra unfortunate I jailed Chris and that really bit me hard
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UltimaterializerX posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

But if you think I am not killing Mzero for roleclaim similarities because I am not serious about being jailer, that's wrong. And even as scum I wouldnt be making that mistake

WIFOM, don't care.

You've played with me. You think i would do that? -.-
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