Board 8 > turbopuns mafia topic 5 (ft. the end of day 2)

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Look Ben, you played a good day game. I was convinced you were town until I saw your name pop up. Doctor Psychic is a hilarious role that you had no way of foreseeing. This isn't your fault and I don't expect you to admit it. 'You got me Chris, I'm the scum roleblocker!" Keep fighting the fight my man.

That's not even funny. With how things have turned out I admit I look like an easy, easy, easy mislynch for scum. Not going to let it happen.
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On the other hand if I wasn't psychic I'd look like shit right now.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Yeah and then you have no scapegoats and town VI who is obvious town calling point.

I mean there are two avenues to approaching a town Chris. Kill him dead, feed off paranoia.

Now I can tell you are inexperienced because I am a very tough mislynch target. Also if you were really town jailkeeper who made an innocent mistake I'd expect you to be glaring daggers into Mzero right now.

I saw you target me man.

You dont think there would be people on my team who would KILL you and make sure you're dead? Now you're assuming I'm scum by myself to push the narrative. Even I would kill doctors first. Both of them. And that is why I jailed you. Really hoped I'd be a hero night 2
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I mean, I'm not dead so obviously not.

Like 'yeah I am totally dead right now.' I can't speculate on a reality that doesn't exist. I mean frankly leaving me alive would have been amazing if I wasn't psychic., Day started and like 3 people wanted me dead immediately.
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Seriously, only my amazing role saved my ass. Mzewro/Sceptile/Ulti were all like "off with Chris' head!" before I could roll out of bed.
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Chris, if you're Town then screw Puns and screw fate, because this is a horrible sequence of events.

Even I admit it is hard to call you scum from your counterclaim of Terra. And I really dont want to meta roles anymore after Terra. It's all reads now
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Okay so let's think of fun, crazy theories.

Scum roleblocked me night 2 with you, but they have a ninja who doesn't show up on psychic readings.

We're both town and you've been framed.
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I don't mind entertaining theories but from my perspective... if I am just a regular doctor this is an amazing play by scum you.

Read the start of day before I posted. I was about to be eaten alive.
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Thinking about the game from Town Chris perspective, really the only thing that doesnt check out is why he thought nothing of Terra claiming Psychic (Well I'm just waiting for an explanation on that), and why the hell he is still alive today. ANd yes, you can say it is because you were being framed, and that is valid, because I also feel that I am being framed.

Chris, if I flip Town, and the game still goes on, what would your next thoughts be?
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

If it makes you feel better I believe scum psychic could be a fun thing.

I bought the psychic portion because I was backup Psychic, actually.

Rude.
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(The original quote was to Terra when he claimed psychic btw)
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And yes, I read you town at the very beginning of the game, so maybe i should stick with that. If you are doctor, you HAVE to die soon. Possibly the next night. So I am cool not lynching you today.

The main reason I even think you're scum now is because of how strongly you want to kill me, but thinking about it from your perspective I would PROBABLY do the same??? I dont know, I dont like that you threw away your read of me so fast. I know you saw me block you, but I had already claimed jailer day 2 because i thought I saved VI. It was a jail, not a roleblock. I'm mad Puns doesnt specify that.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

If it makes you feel better I believe scum psychic could be a fun thing.

I bought the psychic portion because I was backup Psychic, actually.

Rude.

Oh, skipped over that because I thought you meant something else
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I'm going to be honest with you, Ben. If you're not scum we're probably fucked.
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Also at the start of today, I saw a post by Nana and started to think of a world in my head where Chris and him are scum togther. Nana acted like my role was multi use, when I was sure that he knew before it was 1 use. He said many times I am just a vanilla. Then today nana acts like I am multi use to try and throw shade on me. Why would he think that? Because he was there when Scum psychic Chris saw me target him.

But Nana has always been a top town read of mine so. ._. Waiting on his explanation
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I'm going to be honest with you, Ben. If you're not scum we're probably fucked.

Yep
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And if you were town in my position, what would you even do?

Sceptile needs to give his scan (unless it is super irrelevant for some reason.)

Brohan needs to give his role

Mzero's claim does not work with my role at all, but I have no idea why he even would claim the ninja part of his role if he is scum roleblocker. I guess because it is an easy claim?

Not sure if I want to put any weight into roles since Chris, Eaed, and Me should not exist together either. Chris being scum would solve that, but I need to stay confident in my initial reads of him. Failed with Terra
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benjamin3740 posted...

Mzero's claim does not work with my role at all, but I have no idea why he even would claim the ninja part of his role if he is scum roleblocker. I guess because it is an easy claim?

If Mzero is scum Ninja roleblocker, I dont know why he didnt claim vanilla.

If he is scum then he was scared to claim anything (since there are no vanillas) and thought he was best claiming his real role. Didnt just claim roleblocker because then trackers could be like "Well i didnt see you block this guy like you claim"

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But no that makes no sense and sounds really stupid and I want to believe he's just town. BUT THEN WHO BLCOKED ULTI. Why are the roles so screwed this game
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Also Chris, why the sceptile save? Sceptile claimed 1 use, and VI was also dead at that point
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Ben I am going to let you find this quote this time. Do some fishing.
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SSF2 Beta is out.

Also a big thing I didnt like from you when reading up is how you kept saying I was hiding because i was caught. You could go and check my online status if you wanted to see I hadnt been on gamefaqs in 5+ hours (Since my lunch break). I thought it was scummy trying to lead town to think that when it was not true.

This is just explaining why i was so initially against you as I came back and read up on the day
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Okay in fairness that was just me having fun. I am a big Doctor Who fan. I don't actually care where you were at.
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okay on the surface I find Bens actions and claimchange hellishly convenient for scums plans
and with Mzero's claim along with it, his role seems the most redundant

However I am not certain, Mzero could just be scum with Chris instead, though right now I find that less believable
I just woke up and skimmed anyway, not going to do anything until I read the full picture
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first things first
the Terra lynch
I cant look too hard at anyone still on it at the end with the way Terra went about changing his claim all the time
and while I could yell at players for not unvoting, it wouldnt have made a difference anyway considering how big the lead was (and not many seemed to be around anymore either)
though I do want to know why Chris said 'poor Terra' near the end of the day
and also I want to ask ben why he (seemingly) didnt try do anything to stop Terra's lynch
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Thoughs as I go along

Nana's anger is getting overplayed
feels more and more like he is acting

killing Metaknight doesnt make a lot of sense yeah, but knowing whats been said now
scum could have prepared for this day by intentionally leaving Chris alive
if scum has 4 members (3 feels too small), then its MyLo and they might throw in everything to get that mislynch

heck I am surprised so many players are willing to vote already

and this comment from sceptile

backup psychic serial doctor seems kind of absurd, but either way I feel like N4 will be more interesting for clarifying things

is especially unpleasant, because there may not be a clarification if we mislynch today, night4 could be the end!
do not like.
On the other hand, he's showing restraint with his 'scan'. I'd expect him to just drop one down already if he was scum going for a mislynch

and yes we should mass, but really all that means is Brohan should claim already
where was he the whole time Terra got heat?
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and also, scum could have deliberately not killed Chris to force us to think there arent any b8ers on the scumteam
(or Chris is simply scum)
just something I want everyone to keep in mind before they start to pursue people
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another question for Ben is
why didnt you consider that scum could have a roleblocker to block the doctor, when you calculated that there was no chance of scum shooting VI?
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sorry to keep posting but

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Oh, of course you don't want to kill me. Eaed becomes doctor anyway and makes it kind of a moot point as far as the protection land scape goes. Better to feed off paranoia and 'boy chris should be dead now'

Clever.

this is a point I didnt even consider
why kill doc, when youve got another to take care of later?

Eaed... probably town
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htaeD posted...

is especially unpleasant, because there may not be a clarification if we mislynch today, night4 could be the end!

Well. I have a guilty scan, so I don't think that will happen.
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Though for some reason it didn't occur to me that it was probably 6/4. Not sure why Ulti was saying we had another mislynch in us.
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ah
I was wondering why you were so dead certain on getting a day after night4

on one hand, I would also like to resolve Chris VS Ben, since I dont feel like scum will bother to do it for us
on the other hand, we could also just do that on day5 and not risk anything

of course you could still be scum, but town does seem underpowered if you're not
ill wait and see who you scanned
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Sceptilesolar posted...

Though for some reason it didn't occur to me that it was probably 6/4. Not sure why Ulti was saying we had another mislynch in us.

I blame PJ
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htaeD posted...

another question for Ben is
why didnt you consider that scum could have a roleblocker to block the doctor, when you calculated that there was no chance of scum shooting VI?

That was Sceptile.

I don't like how Ben has come in and not voted for MZero. It's acquiescing to the idea that his claimed role, Chris's eole, and MZero's claimed role can exist together.
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eh Ben assumed the same thing is the problem

but yes Ben seems way too nice to Chris when he should be voting him or Mzero

does anyone have a vote on Chris left?
I wonder if Ben just doesnt want to give away how things are when Chris doesnt get hammered
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Additionally, didn't we literally have this situation in Chrono Cross where Mafia roleblocker claimed jailer who jailed the power role N1? Would Ben be obtuse enough to do literally the same thing Sheep did?
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benjamin3740 posted...

Chris, if I flip Town, and the game still goes on, what would your next thoughts be?

"if" you flip town huh
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benjamin3740 posted...

But no that makes no sense and sounds really stupid and I want to believe he's just town. BUT THEN WHO BLCOKED ULTI. Why are the roles so screwed this game

why couldn't it just be the scum blocker...?
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blocking Ulti makes no sense tho, to me
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We need to burn Ben at the stakes. Jailer was the exact claim that was made by Sheep in Chrono Cross mafia when he blocked VI and was tracked by Oddity.
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Ben was scum then too

seems almost insane to try this. But then again he claimed Jailer before he did something this scummy
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htaeD posted...

blocking Ulti makes no sense tho, to me

agreed, but Ben is speaking as if he knows Ulti wasn't blocked by the scum blocker
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Ulti claiming blocked has three results, not all of which are mutually exclusive

1) Ulti is lying scum

2) Ben blocked Ulti

3) MZero Is lying scum

4) Scum has a roleblocker who is neither MZero nor Ben
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htaeD posted...

blocking Ulti makes no sense tho, to me

Fuck if I know.
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Death - how do you feel about Ben claiming to target you N1?
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htaeD posted...

and also I want to ask ben why he (seemingly) didnt try do anything to stop Terra's lynch

I was most unsure of killing him at the beginning when he claimed Protective Jack. Thought him and Chris being Town together was ridiculous, and also couldnt imagine Chris counterclaiming him as scum. So I was torn but felt better odds were on lynching Terra. When he claimed more things, it just felt like he had really been counterclaimed and was trying hard to stay alive by saying whatever. Like saying he was princess in the last 10 minutes. In the moment it was VERY hard for me to believe and made me feel better about killing him. So I was still very shocked when he flipped Town Princess + psychic + whatever, because that was the stuff i wasnt buying from him
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Nanahara715 posted...

Death - how do you feel about Ben claiming to target you N1?

he said that?
I mean I know he didnt (and couldnt because of the whole VI thing)
but when did he say that?

that would be odd, definitely
first he uses his Jailkeeping purely aggresively, and then halfdefensively?
how rather convenient for scum
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MZero11 posted...

htaeD posted...

blocking Ulti makes no sense tho, to me

agreed, but Ben is speaking as if he knows Ulti wasn't blocked by the scum blocker

well we need to look at Ulti either way
but moreso if Ben flips scum
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htaeD posted...

another question for Ben is
why didnt you consider that scum could have a roleblocker to block the doctor, when you calculated that there was no chance of scum shooting VI?

Well I thought it would be too much blocking since I am a jailer, but with this game I do know there is a chance for anything to be possible. I took the chance there was not a roleblocker.

Also, regarding Mzero. I fully get the argument that we should not both exist as town, but I cannot get over the way he claimed, or why he even claimed at all if he is scum. He claimed before he knew I had jailed Chris, so then why claim blocks on other people when your real blocks (Or scummate's blocks( are going to be reported by town who was blocked.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

htaeD posted...

is especially unpleasant, because there may not be a clarification if we mislynch today, night4 could be the end!

Well. I have a guilty scan, so I don't think that will happen.

Oh thank god. This day can still be salvaged
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benjamin3740 posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Oooh. Okay Terra.

I'll say who it was now then, before people think I'm stalling my claim. My final target was VI

However, that was not my initial target. A firebender redirected my lightning

If you are town, Redirector likely town then.

Mafia wouldn't redirect you onto their own kill or their killer, not knowing your role.

Oh yeah that is true. And if the redirector is town, then I might as well tell my full story.

Figured I would put all my eggs into the roleblocking aspect of Jailer and target Death, as I'm fairly confident he's Mafia. Could have tried to protect Town, but i did not want to pick the wrong target only to block the potential Town's ability. And given that me and Red are both 1 use abilities, I thought that this might be the only night for Town to use their best abilities. So I went for roleblocking scum to either block their shot or stop their powers. But my PM said my action was successful and redirected to VI.

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