Poll of the Day > USA withdraws from the Paris Climate Agreement, Weather Channel website responds

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RCtheWSBC posted...

I don't understand how that negates anything

I asked that poster if he read the actual agreement (if he said no, I was going to post the language)

ICOYAR is posting some third-party opinion vlogs...how is that the same? everyone and their grandma knows about ICOYAR by now, and rarely anyone takes him seriously.

heres the deal

"I'm not going to read your sources"



and then a few posts later

"Did you even read my sources?"


its not like im jumping over some huge fucking chasm of logic here
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Troll_Police_ posted...

im pretty sure the left is the side that is supposed to be open minded and caring and all that hippie dippie shit isnt it?

Are we really falling back on the "ironic intolerance" argument
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Troll_Police_ posted...

and then a few posts later

"Did you even read my sources?"

My source was literally going to be the language of the agreement, straight from how it's written...it wasn't going to be a video of me reading it out loud and adding my opinion on it >_> Those are different standards of reference entirely. Nuance exists, yo.
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RCtheWSBC posted...

I think anyone across the political spectrum can recognize that ICOYAR has rarely argued in good faith on here

I honestly doubt that.

Also I need to take a post to bitch at gfaqs for letting me know 4 times now that schmen tagged me in that post

The notifications function is still broken as shit aaaargh

edit: 5 times! The same notification reappears whenever I refresh to a new gfaqs page, what is this nonsense?
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As a religious moderate who believes in climate change, surrounded by religious conservatives who do not, this makes me sad.

Too bad everything has been so badly tainted on that front, that there are so many skeptics. All the misinformation purposefully printed to mislead. Corrupt politicians hoping on board the climate change movement for a quick buck and/or vote, making it easier for the anti crowd to cast more doubts. And the earlier boiling down of the whole issue to simple "Global Warming".

When I tell those around me that deforestation, urbanization, abnormal migratory patterns, over hunting, over fishing, and air, water, and ground pollution are all forms of Climate Change, I get blank stares followed by more talking points.

And honestly, the religious part might be more the problem than simple conservatism. Many of the arguments I hear are things such as: "humans can't effect the planet, only God can", or "even if global warming is real, its just part of Gods plan", or "the rapture is going to happen before it becomes and issue, so why care".

RCtheWSBC posted...

jamieyello3 posted...

I don't even like how we use left and right.

I also don't know why that was relevant to what I said, either

I think anyone across the political spectrum can recognize that ICOYAR has rarely argued in good faith on here

well hell, if we're just going to discount everything he says then why even acknowledge him in the first place? is your hope to actually enlighten the kid, or just to shit all over him?

nobody thinks icoyar is smart, but this sort of automatic discounting and demonization shit is the exact story of how trump wins again in 2020.

if youve got a problem with him, fucking ignore him or just scream about it into one of your echo chambers. trying to tear the other side down does not make your side stronger, it makes both sides collectively weaker.


and dont get me wrong, i know everyone here thinks im a hard right leaning neoconservative but i want to remind you all that I didn't even find out who the president was until it came up on south park the night after the election. my political affiliation is the "troll the earth party" because guess what? thats the party that always wins.
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AverageBoss posted...

And honestly, the religious part might be more the problem than simple conservatism. Many of the arguments I hear are things such as: "humans can't effect the planet, only God can", or "even if global warming is real, its just part of Gods plan", or "the rapture is going to happen before it becomes and issue, so why care".

Yep: http://time.com/4800000/tim-walberg-god-climate-change/

Michigan Rep. Tim Walberg said during a town hall in Coldwater, Mich., on Friday that while he believes climate change is real, it is not something for humans to solve.
"I believe there's climate change. I believe there's been climate change since the beginning of time," Walberg said. "Do I think man has some impact? Yeah, of course. Can man change the entire universe? No."
He continued: "Why do I believe that? Well, as a Christian, I believe that there is a creator in God who is much bigger than us. And I'm confident that, if there's a real problem, he can take care of it."

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RCtheWSBC posted...

Also I need to take a post to bitch at gfaqs for letting me know 4 times now that schmen tagged me in that post

The notifications function is still broken as shit aaaargh

edit: 5 times! The same notification reappears whenever I refresh to a new gfaqs page, what is this nonsense?

would it bother you if i start tagging you all the fucking time so you get all excited that you have like 50 notifications, but then blam, disappointment because theyre all schmendrake?
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You're weird, dude >_>

You can do that if you want, but the moderators would consider it harassment.
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RCtheWSBC posted...

"Well, as a Christian, I believe that there is a creator in God who is much bigger than us. And I'm confident that, if there's a real problem, he can take care of it."

Jesus Christ (pun intended). Is there a way we can make it illegal to hold office with views like that without violating religious liberty. I mean come on he's admitting that he won't bother trying to take care of the problem even if it's real

Zangulus posted...

Veedrock- posted...

Zangulus posted...

Holy s***. Did it hurt when you slammed your head into whatever object necessary to actually make that comparison make sense to you?

It was pointing out a hypocrisy in her juvenile fallacy, not making an argumentative comparison.

So, no? Used to it by now?

Move on dude, you lost.

BowToKingBowser posted...

RCtheWSBC posted...

"Well, as a Christian, I believe that there is a creator in God who is much bigger than us. And I'm confident that, if there's a real problem, he can take care of it."

Jesus Christ (pun intended). Is there a way we can make it illegal to hold office with views like that without violating religious liberty. I mean come on he's admitting that he won't bother trying to take care of the problem even if it's real

1) Don't vote for him. The political system would be screwed beyond reason if one could legislate preliminary criteria like that.
2) This is a global problem and he's a House Representative. What do you think he can do about it exactly?
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RCtheWSBC posted...

AverageBoss posted...

And honestly, the religious part might be more the problem than simple conservatism. Many of the arguments I hear are things such as: "humans can't effect the planet, only God can", or "even if global warming is real, its just part of Gods plan", or "the rapture is going to happen before it becomes and issue, so why care".

Yep: http://time.com/4800000/tim-walberg-god-climate-change/

Michigan Rep. Tim Walberg said during a town hall in Coldwater, Mich., on Friday that while he believes climate change is real, it is not something for humans to solve.
"I believe there's climate change. I believe there's been climate change since the beginning of time," Walberg said. "Do I think man has some impact? Yeah, of course. Can man change the entire universe? No."
He continued: "Why do I believe that? Well, as a Christian, I believe that there is a creator in God who is much bigger than us. And I'm confident that, if there's a real problem, he can take care of it."

Which based on passages in the Bible about humanity being charged with being stewards of the Earth, and others saying not to test or temp God, would probably be the equivalent of taking a dump all over the floor, then calling your landlord at midnight to demand he come over and clean it up.

Veedrock- posted...

1) Don't vote for him.
2) This is a global problem and he's a House Representative. What do you think he can do about it exactly?

1) That method relies on enough voters not being idiots and we don't have that luxury
2) A law that prevents anyone unwilling to do their job from having that job seems like a good idea to me, even if it doesn't fix every problem ever instantly

The Paris accord is pretty useless and toothless anyway, and doesn't really solve anything so long as it's essentially "okay now America, let China and India have their turns now."

BowToKingBowser posted...

Veedrock- posted...

1) Don't vote for him.
2) This is a global problem and he's a House Representative. What do you think he can do about it exactly?

1) That method relies on enough voters not being idiots and we don't have that luxury
2) A law that prevents anyone unwilling to do their job from having that job seems like a good idea to me, even if it doesn't fix every problem ever instantly

This is getting a bit off topic but does his job description say "combat climate change?" I don't think it does. He is a representative of the district that elected him and the moment he stops representing their interests, he'll not be doing his job and will be removed. That's how the system works. You're arguing that we take representation out of politics because it doesn't fit your prerogative. The whole system collapses if you do that. I'm having intense flashbacks to November when it was all "California and New York are the majority they should control everything."

For perspective there are 435 House seats; Michigan has 9 of those, and this dude is 1. This is one half of Congress, which is one body of the US Government, which is only one (admittedly big) country in the global environment that has a hand in climate change. Tell me how forcing this one guy out of office is going to make an impact on climate change. And anticipating your response I'm expecting something like "not just him but everyone like him" and then you're just advocating for a totalitarian government, but it's ok because it's for a totally progressive agenda and stuff. Or whatever. Now I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, so feel free to correct me, but it feels pretty clear that's the direction this is going.

Now you could pull a @Zangulus and say I hit my head for "defending" this guy but that's not really what I'm doing. I'm defending the legislative process sure, but that's also not really my point. My point is he's not really able to hurt anything in his position but more importantly you're not helping anything. In fact, you could have more influence than he does if you really wanted to. The year is 2017, one person, no matter how unremarkable they are at the start, has the ability to influence millions of people these days. Instead people in this thread are content to sit back and point fingers at Trump, at Walberg, and assign blame and whatnot, but for this being such a passionate issue for some of you there's not much being done in here besides putting the echo chamber to good use.
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Considering it's weather-related news, not sure what the issue is. The bigger news is that Elon Musk abandoned Trump, like he pledged.

Jiggy101011 posted...

Well when part of New York is under water in 15 years people will start caring and we can point and laugh at them and say "told you so!"

At this point, it's as likely to happen in 15 years as if it were to happen if we halted all use of coal and oil.

NightMareBunny posted...

i dunno why smog producing vehicles are still a thing

Because people need to get around? You might understand that if you had a job or had to go out to buy your own cereal.

Doctor Foxx posted...

I'm not listening to some talking head with no science credentials bash the credentials of someone much more qualified thxxxxxx

Bill Nye is irrelevant to this

Bill Nye the SJW guy is irrelevant to everything.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Who cares? Just the title "Bill Nye the science lie" is enough to tell you the video is going to be an outpouring of ignorant bull shit

Given that Bill Nye has roughly zero scientific qualifications, I think any mocking criticism is more than fair. Not that I'm going to watch an ICO video, mind you.

Doctor Foxx posted...

A study in 2008 from the University of Central Florida analyzed the sources of "environmentally skeptical" literature published in the United States. The analysis showed that 92% of the literature was partly or wholly affiliated with a self-proclaimed conservative think tank.

A study from 2015 identified 4,556 individuals with overlapping network ties to 164 organizations which are responsible for the most efforts to downplay the threat of climate change in the U.S

To be fair, the only way you're going to get government funding is if you claim it exists so they'd need alternate funding if they were claiming anything to the contrary.

Veedrock- posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

There are really people that argue that water vapor, something that occurs as part of the water cycle, is a pollutant... oh my

CO2 occurs naturally too but it's a pollutant...oh my.

Fucking lol. Classic Doctor "this is my agenda and I'm sticking to it" Foxx.

He kinda wrote himself into a corner there.
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Veedrock- posted...

This is getting a bit off topic but does his job description say "combat climate change?" I don't think it does. He is a representative of the district that elected him and the moment he stops representing their interests, he'll not be doing his job and will be removed.

Climate change could affect EVERYONE, every last person in his district, but even "if there's a real problem" he proudly states he won't do anything about it. Doesn't sound like he's very concerned with representing their interests if you ask me.

And again, he'll only be removed if people aren't idiots which they are, so they'll only remove him once it's a SERIOUS problem that's already wrecking their shit, instead of dealing with it when it was still solvable

Veedrock- posted...

And anticipating your response I'm expecting something like "not just him but everyone like him"

Why is that a bad response exactly? Why do we make crimes illegal just to stop one criminal, how big of a difference can one criminal make. Oh wait, the goal is to stop not just him but everyone like him. Clearly it could have a much more widespread effect than one guy

yes i know people need cars to get around but do they really need to be stinking up the air so damn much?

pollution doesn't really help anyone and quite frankly the sooner we switch to vehicles that don't make breathing a difficult task the better

but whatever strawman zeus just keep slurping on trump's mighty orange dong and see what happens when your up to your knee in water and can't see in front of your face with all the black smog flooding the skies
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I bet John McCain is going to be deeply troubled by this.
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Zeus posted...

Given that Bill Nye has roughly zero scientific qualifications, I think any mocking criticism is more than fair. Not that I'm going to watch an ICO video, mind you.

Might as well mock basically every science educator in the nation then.

Bill Nye is an educator.

TheWorstPoster posted...

You guys are right.

We should listen to a climate change expert instead!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsioIw4bvzI

Ohhh shit... it's Manbearpig.
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RedPixel posted...

TheWorstPoster posted...

You guys are right.

We should listen to a climate change expert instead!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsioIw4bvzI

Ohhh shit... it's Manbearpig.

Where is the treasure, you know for scientific purposes.

He kinda wrote himself into a corner there

First of all, Foxx is a woman.

Second, it's fairly well established at this time that CO2 is a big contributor in climate change. Just because something is natural that doesn't mean it's ok.
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NightMareBunny posted...

yes i know people need cars to get around but do they really need to be stinking up the air so damn much?

pollution doesn't really help anyone and quite frankly the sooner we switch to vehicles that don't make breathing a difficult task the better

but whatever strawman zeus just keep slurping on trump's mighty orange dong and see what happens when your up to your knee in water and can't see in front of your face with all the black smog flooding the skies

I literally think that you have to remind yourself to breathe.

This topic was made to appreciate the full on fuck you mode that the Weather Channel adopted. not to debate climate change. Climate scientists have figured that out already.

I appreciate that they had it all made and ready to go, and went ahead with it. How long will it stay up?
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Has the world always been this immature? I could have sworn growing up there were adults who acted like adults.

I don't blame the weather channel, why would they be mature when the potus has the mentality of a 12-year-old.

His new press release when reports of him lashing out on his own staff came out;

“President Trump has a magnetic personality and exudes positive energy, which is infectious to those around him. He has an unparalleled ability to communicate with people, whether he is speaking to a room of three or an arena of 30,000. He has built great relationships throughout his life and treats everyone with respect. He is brilliant with a great sense of humor … and an amazing ability to make people feel special and aspire to be more than even they thought possible.”

"Trump is good, Trump is great, Trump is the best. Donald Trump did not write this."

supergamer19 posted...

Now America can join an exclusive non-climate agreement club with other bad ass countries like Nicaragua and Syria.

Those three are now way too cool for school.

Yeah, America is working hard to step-up its oppressive police-state. I'm sure it can be as good at it as those two if it really focuses.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

supergamer19 posted...

Now America can join an exclusive non-climate agreement club with other bad ass countries like Nicaragua and Syria.

Those three are now way too cool for school.

Yeah, America is working hard to step-up its oppressive police-state. I'm sure it can be as good at it as those two if it really focuses.

I'll just point out Nicaragua didn't join because they didn't feel the Paris Agreement went far enough and are doing more on their own, and Syria didn't join because they were in the middle of a civil war.

How many people here are actually aware of the terms in the Paris Climate Agreement, before they agree or disagree with the U.S. pulling out of it?

Don't answer, "it helps stop climate change", I mean who does what, when, how much each country is contributing, when, to who, what each country has proposed to do, when, what the proposed goal is, and what the punishment is for breaking the agreement?
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TigerTycoon posted...

How many people here are actually aware of the terms in the Paris Climate Agreement, before they agree or disagree with the U.S. pulling out of it?

All of us
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TigerTycoon posted...

How many people here are actually aware of the terms in the Paris Climate Agreement, before they agree or disagree with the U.S. pulling out of it?

Don't answer, "it helps stop climate change", I mean who does what, when, how much each country is contributing, when, to who, what each country has proposed to do, when, what the proposed goal is, and what the punishment is for breaking the agreement?

It's all non binding but plenty of countries are already actively attempting to make renewable energy sources.
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Regardless of the terms, the objective of pursuing more coal-powered energy is shortsighted and encourages more pollution from other nations.
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And you laughed at me for trying to conserve water
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More people work for Arby's than the number of people working in the entire coal industry
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Mead posted...

More people work for Arby's than the number of people working in the entire coal industry

It's not a job creating method of energy. But it is something the US uses, a lot. It's a losing prospect to use even more coal. Most other countries are moving away from it. Even the US was moving away from it for a time. Go be renewable and make jobs. :(
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SmokeMassTree posted...

And you laughed at me for trying to conserve water

I called it gross to leave piss in a public toilet for the next person to deal with (and that seems to be the consensus)

It would also be gross to conserve water by not washing your hands
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Jiggy101011 posted...

Well when part of New York is under water in 15 years people will start caring and we can point and laugh at them and say "told you so!"

to be fair I grew up in CT right on Long Island Sound, and I've been told my entire life that my hometown would be underwater by now.

perhaps if my education hadn't been based on "unrealistic scare tactics" for 20-odd years i'd feel even a twinge of urgency where ACC is concerned.

frankly, the Earth's default state seems to vacillate between "Valhalla" and "snowball", and last i saw mankind wasn't doing so well during the "snowball" phase when we were quite possibly down to 20K breeding individuals 14K years or so ago.

just sayin.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Mead posted...

More people work for Arby's than the number of people working in the entire coal industry

It's not a job creating method of energy. But it is something the US uses, a lot. It's a losing prospect to use even more coal. Most other countries are moving away from it. Even the US was moving away from it for a time. Go be renewable and make jobs. :(

What we need is to build more Arby's.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

SmokeMassTree posted...

And you laughed at me for trying to conserve water

I called it gross to leave piss in a public toilet for the next person to deal with (and that seems to be the consensus)

It would also be gross to conserve water by not washing your hands

Strawman already? With the quickness

I wash my hands before I urinate, keep my dick clean
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Doctor Foxx posted...

SmokeMassTree posted...

And you laughed at me for trying to conserve water

I called it gross to leave piss in a public toilet for the next person to deal with (and that seems to be the consensus)

It would also be gross to conserve water by not washing your hands

or you just don't piss on your hands.....
no need to wash then
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Supposedly the US ommitions are to early 1990's levels.
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RCtheWSBC posted...

political spectrum

I find these two words together to be very amusing.
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Bugmeat posted...

RCtheWSBC posted...

political spectrum

I find these two words together to be very amusing.

There are two political alignments. Anything more than that is snowflake SJW cuck nonsense.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kinfk0yTEMw
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

SmokeMassTree posted...

And you laughed at me for trying to conserve water

I called it gross to leave piss in a public toilet for the next person to deal with (and that seems to be the consensus)

It would also be gross to conserve water by not washing your hands

or you just don't piss on your hands.....
no need to wash then

Who is talking about when pissing, I just mean forgoing hand washing is gross. as is holding off on toilet flushing
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OneTimeBen posted...

Supposedly the US ommitions are to early 1990's levels.

The emissions have dropped from what can be seen but they are rising again. Important factors in that drop include the decreasing use of coal and petroleum. Doing things like ramping up coal production and use for energy will set the US up for higher emissions rates over time.

Canada follows very similar curves for emissions per capita and continues to move away from coal and towards renewable energy. Time will show that difference.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=30712

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/update/archive/april2017/

https://www.eia.gov/coal/annual/

CO2 emissions from the electric power sector fell by 4.9% in 2016. A significant reduction in coal use for electricity generation was offset by increased generation from natural gas and renewable sources. Renewables do not emit CO2, and a shift towards natural gas from coal lowers CO2 because natural gas has lower emissions per unit of energy than coal and because natural gas generators typically use less energy than coal plants to generate each kilowatthour of electricity. Overall, the data indicate about a 5% decline in the carbon intensity of the power sector, a rate that was also realized in 2015. Since 1973, no two consecutive years have seen a decline of this magnitude, and only one other year (2009) has seen a similar decline.
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OneTimeBen posted...

Supposedly the US ommitions are to early 1990's levels.

Where you struck on the head?
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