Neclord

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KanzarisKelshen 06/01/17 9:27:38 PM #1:	Frog, Tails, Kaos, Claire Redfield and Nisha have challenged Crono, Tidus, Juliet Starling, Geese Howard and Neclord to a fight! Location of the fight: Luca Sphere Pool - The sphere pool blitzball tournaments take place in. Combatants do not have access to any other part of the stadium. All mercenaries will magically be able to breathe an infinite amount of time, though how well they can fight underwater is up to interpretation. Each team will start where one of the goalies would, respectively.. Which side will win? Guidelines - The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment. - The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of a pre-selected plan of battle. - "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, not Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion. - There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from. Rules for Voting -Bold your votes (using bold HTML tags). -You do not need to require justification for your vote, though the admins reserve the right to disqualify votes in the advent of obvious alt voting and other similar scenarios. -Leaders cannot vote for their own teams (and players from the same pool may not vote as well), but they are free to argue their case. -If you want to switch your votes simply bold the change; there's no need to delete your post, though you may if you wish. -This match will end in 24 hours. -The following conventions are in use for match topics: www.gamefaqs.com/boards/570224-mercs/75290480/878106427 Frog is as he appears in Chrono Trigger, with access to the upgraded Masamune, though it won't split mountains or anything like that. Additionally he's equipped with a Regal Plate, Master's Crown, and Prism Specs. He has come to battle with the Star Dragon Sword. The Star Dragon Sword retains its sentience and can (and will) freely communicate with anyone in the fight, though it will not otherwise act of its own will. It acts as an ideal teammate but will, however, refuse to be wielded by anyone other than its chosen wielder for the fight. Tails is as he appears in the Sonic the Hedgehog series, with all of his abilities but does not have access to any of his mechanical creations. Kaos is as seen in Skylanders: Trap Team in his final boss battle, with access to all of his powers seen within. Claire is as seen in Resident Evil Revelations 2, equipped with a survival knife, MP-AB50, Shotgun M147S and one of each kind of craftable grenade. Nisha is as she appears in Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel. She is assumed to be max level, focusing in the Fan the Hammer tree, and equipped with Law, Order, Maggie, Unforgiven and the Sheriff's Badge. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:880239797] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>Frog, Tails, Kaos, Claire Redfield and Nisha have challenged Crono, Tidus, Juliet Starling, Geese Howard and Neclord to a fight! Location of the fight: Luca Sphere Pool - The sphere pool blitzball tournaments take place in. Combatants do not have access to any other part of the stadium. All mercenaries will magically be able to breathe an infinite amount of time, though how well they can fight underwater is up to interpretation. Each team will start where one of the goalies would, respectively.. Which side will win? Guidelines - The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment. - The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of a pre-selected plan of battle. - "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, not Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion. - There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from. Rules for Voting -Bold your votes (using bold HTML tags). -You do not need to require justification for your vote, though the admins reserve the right to disqualify votes in the advent of obvious alt voting and other similar scenarios. -Leaders cannot vote for their own teams (and players from the same pool may not vote as well), but they are free to argue their case. -If you want to switch your votes simply bold the change; there's no need to delete your post, though you may if you wish. -This match will end in 24 hours. -The following conventions are in use for match topics: www.gamefaqs.com/boards/570224-mercs/75290480/878106427 Frog is as he appears in Chrono Trigger, with access to the upgraded Masamune, though it won't split mountains or anything like that. Additionally he's equipped with a Regal Plate, Master's Crown, and Prism Specs. He has come to battle with the Star Dragon Sword. The Star Dragon Sword retains its sentience and can (and will) freely communicate with anyone in the fight, though it will not otherwise act of its own will. It acts as an ideal teammate but will, however, refuse to be wielded by anyone other than its chosen wielder for the fight. Tails is as he appears in the Sonic the Hedgehog series, with all of his abilities but does not have access to any of his mechanical creations. Kaos is as seen in Skylanders: Trap Team in his final boss battle, with access to all of his powers seen within. Claire is as seen in Resident Evil Revelations 2, equipped with a survival knife, MP-AB50, Shotgun M147S and one of each kind of craftable grenade. Nisha is as she appears in Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel. She is assumed to be max level, focusing in the Fan the Hammer tree, and equipped with Law, Order, Maggie, Unforgiven and the Sheriff's Badge.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 06/01/17 9:27:44 PM #2:	~VS~ Crono is as he appears in Chrono Trigger (DS), with his best non-broken equipment and all his techs save for Life. Dual/Triple techs with other Crono Trigger characters are allowed. Juliet Starling is as she appears in Lollipop Chainsaw, with all her abilities and upgrades, including those utilising Nick, with the exception of the Chainsaw Blaster. She also cannot activate Star Soul Power. Nisha has demanded that Juliet fight like a woman, and only bring the handguns in her arsenal. She has been given a generic pistol to use. She will have no other weapons for the fight. Tidus is as seen in the endgame of Final Fantasy X, with the entirety of his path down the normal sphere grid maxed out, and access to all his overdrives. He also has access to his moves from the Dissidia series, though the brave/HP mechanics do not apply. He has his Caladbolg and best non-broken armor. Geese Howard is as he appears in the Fatal Fury and King of Fighters series, with all of his moves available. Neclord is as seen in Suikoden II, with all of his attacks shown in Suikoden I and Suikoden II. He retains his extreme resistance to damage from non-holy based magic and weapons from the Moon Rune, as well as any attacks seen in the gameplay granted by the rune. However, he will lose these resistances if struck by the Star Dragon Sword and cannot otherwise use the rune for curses or anything else. --- Returned through time, Tidus has come back to haunt his old team, seeking revenge! FIGHT! --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:880239806] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>~VS~ Crono is as he appears in Chrono Trigger (DS), with his best non-broken equipment and all his techs save for Life. Dual/Triple techs with other Crono Trigger characters are allowed. Juliet Starling is as she appears in Lollipop Chainsaw, with all her abilities and upgrades, including those utilising Nick, with the exception of the Chainsaw Blaster. She also cannot activate Star Soul Power. Nisha has demanded that Juliet fight like a woman, and only bring the handguns in her arsenal. She has been given a generic pistol to use. She will have no other weapons for the fight. Tidus is as seen in the endgame of Final Fantasy X, with the entirety of his path down the normal sphere grid maxed out, and access to all his overdrives. He also has access to his moves from the Dissidia series, though the brave/HP mechanics do not apply. He has his Caladbolg and best non-broken armor. Geese Howard is as he appears in the Fatal Fury and King of Fighters series, with all of his moves available. Neclord is as seen in Suikoden II, with all of his attacks shown in Suikoden I and Suikoden II. He retains his extreme resistance to damage from non-holy based magic and weapons from the Moon Rune, as well as any attacks seen in the gameplay granted by the rune. However, he will lose these resistances if struck by the Star Dragon Sword and cannot otherwise use the rune for curses or anything else. --- Returned through time, Tidus has come back to haunt his old team, seeking revenge! FIGHT!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skyridge87 06/01/17 9:28:08 PM #3:	Tails, Claire, Juliet, Geese: All worthless Tidus: Obviously really good here Neclord: Vampires don't typically do well underwater, do they? Also, pretty sure a swarm of bats can't swim too well, so he's gonna be a sitting duck Crono: Probably can't maneuver too well either. Also, Crono isn't the type to want to even possibly hurt his friends, so he might be hesitant to use his lightning magic as there's no telling how it will function underwater. Nisha: Potentially not worthless? Borderlands guns are crazy enough that they might function underwater. Frog: Probably just as good as Tidus. He's a fucking frog, and water is his magic element. Plus he has a lot of healing. Shouldn't be hard to get a blow on Neclord with the Star Dragon Sword Kaos: Amazing. One of his attacks is literally summoning Touhou-style waves of energy sharks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QZK_YSNX2s&t=14m51s). He's enough of a cartoon villain that he'll want to throw them out nonstop because everyone is underwater. And since no one on the enemy team except Tidus is good at moving here, they'll be torn to shreds. He can also take a ton of punishment. His boss fight takes forever, even if you don't think he can heal himself here. <cite>Skyridge87 posted [p:880239839] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>Tails, Claire, Juliet, Geese: All worthless Tidus: Obviously really good here Neclord: Vampires don't typically do well underwater, do they? Also, pretty sure a swarm of bats can't swim too well, so he's gonna be a sitting duck Crono: Probably can't maneuver too well either. Also, Crono isn't the type to want to even possibly hurt his friends, so he might be hesitant to use his lightning magic as there's no telling how it will function underwater. Nisha: Potentially not worthless? Borderlands guns are crazy enough that they might function underwater. Frog: Probably just as good as Tidus. He's a fucking frog, and water is his magic element. Plus he has a lot of healing. Shouldn't be hard to get a blow on Neclord with the Star Dragon Sword Kaos: Amazing. One of his attacks is literally summoning Touhou-style waves of energy sharks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QZK_YSNX2s&t=14m51s). He's enough of a cartoon villain that he'll want to throw them out nonstop because everyone is underwater. And since no one on the enemy team except Tidus is good at moving here, they'll be torn to shreds. He can also take a ton of punishment. His boss fight takes forever, even if you don't think he can heal himself here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 06/01/17 9:28:45 PM #4:	@Skyridge87 @DeathChicken The floor is yours. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:880239872] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>@Skyridge87 @DeathChicken The floor is yours.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 06/01/17 9:30:38 PM #5:	So most vampires just die if submerged in water Any reason Neclord doesn't here --- No problem and congratulation! BK_Sheikah00 committed a cute and pop genocide of love against the gurus! Kyaa~ <cite>Lopen posted [p:880240004] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>So most vampires just die if submerged in water Any reason Neclord doesn't here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 06/01/17 9:31:03 PM #6:	DC's argument: Guns don't really work underwater. The barrels fill with water, whatever you're shooting gets weighed down by the mass of it and even high powered bullets don't move for crap. I have Tidus who is pretty dang good underwater, and Neclord who can electrocute the crap out of things. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgAyRkSlioo&t=2m37s Think that'll do. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:880240032] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>DC's argument: Guns don't really work underwater. The barrels fill with water, whatever you're shooting gets weighed down by the mass of it and even high powered bullets don't move for crap. I have Tidus who is pretty dang good underwater, and Neclord who can electrocute the crap out of things. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgAyRkSlioo&t=2m37s Think that'll do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skyridge87 06/01/17 9:31:49 PM #7:	tldr: Kaos is super tanky and can shoot dozens of energy sharks at once, and he will probably do so nonstop. <cite>Skyridge87 posted [p:880240099] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>tldr: Kaos is super tanky and can shoot dozens of energy sharks at once, and he will probably do so nonstop.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 06/01/17 9:32:41 PM #8:	Neclord doesn't really operate by standard vampire rules. Stands around in broad daylight just fine, don't think water is going to bother him --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:880240156] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>Neclord doesn't really operate by standard vampire rules. Stands around in broad daylight just fine, don't think water is going to bother him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 06/01/17 9:33:16 PM #9:	Kaos does some damn work here. Curious to see any arguments against him. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:880240210] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>Kaos does some damn work here. Curious to see any arguments against him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 06/01/17 9:33:41 PM #10:	Basically I'm seeing this match: If Neclord dies from water submersion like typical vampire, Tidus vs Frog + Kaos is very interesting (no one else is terribly relevant) If Neclord doesn't that is no longer interesting --- No problem and congratulation! BK_Sheikah00 committed a cute and pop genocide of love against the gurus! Kyaa~ <cite>Lopen posted [p:880240238] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>Basically I'm seeing this match: If Neclord dies from water submersion like typical vampire, Tidus vs Frog + Kaos is very interesting (no one else is terribly relevant) If Neclord doesn't that is no longer interesting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 06/01/17 9:37:06 PM #11:	Also unless Kaos's stuff is specifically Holy, it's going to bounce off of Neclord's dead ass unless Frog hits him with the Star Dragon. I don't think swinging a sword around underwater goes very well either, unless you are Tidus --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:880240464] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>Also unless Kaos's stuff is specifically Holy, it's going to bounce off of Neclord's dead ass unless Frog hits him with the Star Dragon. I don't think swinging a sword around underwater goes very well either, unless you are Tidus</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skyridge87 06/01/17 9:37:11 PM #12:	I'd also like to point out just how much time you have to spend dodging Kaos' attacks in his boss fight, because they're huge AoEs. That's going to be much harder when everyone but Tidus is drastically reduced in mobility. <cite>Skyridge87 posted [p:880240474] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>I'd also like to point out just how much time you have to spend dodging Kaos' attacks in his boss fight, because they're huge AoEs. That's going to be much harder when everyone but Tidus is drastically reduced in mobility.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skyridge87 06/01/17 9:38:36 PM #13:	DeathChicken posted... Also unless Kaos's stuff is specifically Holy, it's going to bounce off of Neclord's dead ass unless Frog hits him with the Star Dragon. I don't think swinging a sword around underwater goes very well either, unless you are Tidus Pretty sure the Star Dragon Sword has told Frog he needs to stab the vampire. He can probably get into position while Kaos is filling the sphere pool with sharks. <cite>Skyridge87 posted [p:880240582] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote><cite>DeathChicken posted...</cite> <quote>Also unless Kaos's stuff is specifically Holy, it's going to bounce off of Neclord's dead ass unless Frog hits him with the Star Dragon. I don't think swinging a sword around underwater goes very well either, unless you are Tidus</quote> Pretty sure the Star Dragon Sword has told Frog he needs to stab the vampire. He can probably get into position while Kaos is filling the sphere pool with sharks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 06/01/17 9:39:29 PM #14:	DeathChicken posted... Also unless Kaos's stuff is specifically Holy, it's going to bounce off of Neclord's dead ass unless Frog hits him with the Star Dragon. I don't think swinging a sword around underwater goes very well either, unless you are Tidus Is this a Suikoden thing or a vampire thing --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:880240635] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote><cite>DeathChicken posted...</cite> <quote>Also unless Kaos's stuff is specifically Holy, it's going to bounce off of Neclord's dead ass unless Frog hits him with the Star Dragon. I don't think swinging a sword around underwater goes very well either, unless you are Tidus</quote> Is this a Suikoden thing or a vampire thing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 06/01/17 9:39:55 PM #15:	I'm thinking it's more likely he swims off to have an honorable duel with his best buddy Crono while the Star Dragon behaves like the Star Dragon and insults him --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:880240663] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>I'm thinking it's more likely he swims off to have an honorable duel with his best buddy Crono while the Star Dragon behaves like the Star Dragon and insults him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 06/01/17 9:40:32 PM #16:	KanzarisKelshen posted... Neclord is as seen in Suikoden II, with all of his attacks shown in Suikoden I and Suikoden II. He retains his extreme resistance to damage from non-holy based magic and weapons from the Moon Rune, as well as any attacks seen in the gameplay granted by the rune. However, he will lose these resistances if struck by the Star Dragon Sword and cannot otherwise use the rune for curses or anything else. (It's a Neclord thing) --- No problem and congratulation! BK_Sheikah00 committed a cute and pop genocide of love against the gurus! Kyaa~ <cite>Lopen posted [p:880240701] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>Neclord is as seen in Suikoden II, with all of his attacks shown in Suikoden I and Suikoden II. He retains his extreme resistance to damage from non-holy based magic and weapons from the Moon Rune, as well as any attacks seen in the gameplay granted by the rune. However, he will lose these resistances if struck by the Star Dragon Sword and cannot otherwise use the rune for curses or anything else. </quote> (It's a Neclord thing)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trdl23 06/01/17 9:40:42 PM #17:	Wow, Kaos is much more impressive than I expected him to be. The real question is "Can Frog smack Neclord with the Star Dragon Sword?" Usually I would say "lol swordfighter in waterball," but Frog is literally a frog, so... --- E come vivo? Vivo! <cite>trdl23 posted [p:880240712] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>Wow, Kaos is much more impressive than I expected him to be. The real question is "Can Frog smack Neclord with the Star Dragon Sword?" Usually I would say "lol swordfighter in waterball," but Frog is literally a frog, so...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 06/01/17 9:41:40 PM #18:	It's a Suikoden vampire thing. Neclord has gigantic resistance to everything non-Holy (in game terms everything does 0 damage to him) unless hit with the Star Dragon first, then he takes normal damage. And you just have to work though his silly high HP. --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:880240781] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>It's a Suikoden vampire thing. Neclord has gigantic resistance to everything non-Holy (in game terms everything does 0 damage to him) unless hit with the Star Dragon first, then he takes normal damage. And you just have to work though his silly high HP.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 06/01/17 9:41:47 PM #19:	Lopen posted... KanzarisKelshen posted... Neclord is as seen in Suikoden II, with all of his attacks shown in Suikoden I and Suikoden II. He retains his extreme resistance to damage from non-holy based magic and weapons from the Moon Rune, as well as any attacks seen in the gameplay granted by the rune. However, he will lose these resistances if struck by the Star Dragon Sword and cannot otherwise use the rune for curses or anything else. (It's a Neclord thing) Aah, missed it. Thanks. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:880240788] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>Neclord is as seen in Suikoden II, with all of his attacks shown in Suikoden I and Suikoden II. He retains his extreme resistance to damage from non-holy based magic and weapons from the Moon Rune, as well as any attacks seen in the gameplay granted by the rune. However, he will lose these resistances if struck by the Star Dragon Sword and cannot otherwise use the rune for curses or anything else. </quote> (It's a Neclord thing)</quote> Aah, missed it. Thanks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skyridge87 06/01/17 9:42:01 PM #20:	trdl23 posted... Wow, Kaos is much more impressive than I expected him to be. The real question is "Can Frog smack Neclord with the Star Dragon Sword?" Usually I would say "lol swordfighter in waterball," but Frog is literally a frog, so... Skyridge87 posted... He can probably get into position while Kaos is filling the sphere pool with sharks. <cite>Skyridge87 posted [p:880240805] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote><cite>trdl23 posted...</cite> <quote>Wow, Kaos is much more impressive than I expected him to be. The real question is "Can Frog smack Neclord with the Star Dragon Sword?" Usually I would say "lol swordfighter in waterball," but Frog is literally a frog, so...</quote> <cite>Skyridge87 posted...</cite> <quote>He can probably get into position while Kaos is filling the sphere pool with sharks.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trdl23 06/01/17 9:43:00 PM #21:	Just how damaging are said energy sharks? --- E come vivo? Vivo! <cite>trdl23 posted [p:880240875] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>Just how damaging are said energy sharks?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 06/01/17 9:43:51 PM #22:	Tidus, with his pre battle planning with his team, is probably approaching this like a Blitzball game, with the Star Dragon Sword being the ball, and Neclord being the goal. I don't think Frog is getting to him easily at all. --- No problem and congratulation! BK_Sheikah00 committed a cute and pop genocide of love against the gurus! Kyaa~ <cite>Lopen posted [p:880240923] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>Tidus, with his pre battle planning with his team, is probably approaching this like a Blitzball game, with the Star Dragon Sword being the ball, and Neclord being the goal. I don't think Frog is getting to him easily at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skyridge87 06/01/17 9:44:14 PM #23:	Skyridge87 posted... trdl23 posted... Wow, Kaos is much more impressive than I expected him to be. The real question is "Can Frog smack Neclord with the Star Dragon Sword?" Usually I would say "lol swordfighter in waterball," but Frog is literally a frog, so... Skyridge87 posted... He can probably get into position while Kaos is filling the sphere pool with sharks. He can also zip around with his tongue, considering that's literally one of his moves in Chrono Trigger. Good way to cover the last bit of distance to Neclord extremely quickly. <cite>Skyridge87 posted [p:880240944] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote><cite>Skyridge87 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>trdl23 posted...</cite> <quote>Wow, Kaos is much more impressive than I expected him to be. The real question is "Can Frog smack Neclord with the Star Dragon Sword?" Usually I would say "lol swordfighter in waterball," but Frog is literally a frog, so...</quote> <cite>Skyridge87 posted...</cite> <quote>He can probably get into position while Kaos is filling the sphere pool with sharks.</quote></quote> He can also zip around with his tongue, considering that's literally one of his moves in Chrono Trigger. Good way to cover the last bit of distance to Neclord extremely quickly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 06/01/17 9:44:58 PM #24:	Unless they're Holy I doubt they'd doing squat. As said, in game terms you literally can't even hurt Neclord with anything you have. We can assume then that Kaos is going to have to be sporting something better than the Suikoden runes that Neclord just laughs at --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:880240983] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>Unless they're Holy I doubt they'd doing squat. As said, in game terms you literally can't even hurt Neclord with anything you have. We can assume then that Kaos is going to have to be sporting something better than the Suikoden runes that Neclord just laughs at</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 06/01/17 9:45:23 PM #25:	Oh hey he finally posted the nightmare mode version of Kaos. I think Kaos in a box with help is pretty fucking vicious but i dont get a vote here. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:880241015] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>Oh hey he finally posted the nightmare mode version of Kaos. I think Kaos in a box with help is pretty fucking vicious but i dont get a vote here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skyridge87 06/01/17 9:45:49 PM #26:	trdl23 posted... Just how damaging are said energy sharks? I honestly have no idea, but it's probably more "death by a thousand cuts" type of thing, considering how many of them there are. Tidus is gonna have to sit there and take it or spend a lot of time dodging them, either way leaving Neclord open. <cite>Skyridge87 posted [p:880241052] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote><cite>trdl23 posted...</cite> <quote>Just how damaging are said energy sharks?</quote> I honestly have no idea, but it's probably more "death by a thousand cuts" type of thing, considering how many of them there are. Tidus is gonna have to sit there and take it or spend a lot of time dodging them, either way leaving Neclord open.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KJH 06/01/17 9:46:22 PM #27:	Since when did most vampires die from water anyway? Like honestly, LoK ones are the only ones I can think of that do that. Anyway, Frog should be a good swimmer, what with being a frog and all. Tails is functional underwater too, based on all the underwater levels in the 2D games. Tidus is still the fastest here, even before haste is thrown in. Kaos and Neclord are both weird and disruptive with AoE so they don't even care about swimming so much. Crono's not gonna use lightning without killing himself or buddies. Leaning Tidus/Neclord, because Tidus is functionally the best melee here, and Neclord is the best/most durable range. Frog's work would be cut out to reach him when he has Tidus to contend with. --- You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that. <cite>KJH posted [p:880241088] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>Since when did most vampires die from water anyway? Like honestly, LoK ones are the only ones I can think of that do that. Anyway, Frog should be a good swimmer, what with being a frog and all. Tails is functional underwater too, based on all the underwater levels in the 2D games. Tidus is still the fastest here, even before haste is thrown in. Kaos and Neclord are both weird and disruptive with AoE so they don't even care about swimming so much. Crono's not gonna use lightning without killing himself or buddies. Leaning Tidus/Neclord, because Tidus is functionally the best melee here, and Neclord is the best/most durable range. Frog's work would be cut out to reach him when he has Tidus to contend with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 06/01/17 9:46:32 PM #28:	Getting close to Neclord when he can do this in a giant swimming pool seems like a bad idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgAyRkSlioo&t=2m37s --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:880241102] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>Getting close to Neclord when he can do this in a giant swimming pool seems like a bad idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgAyRkSlioo&t=2m37s</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 06/01/17 9:47:43 PM #29:	Lopen posted... Tidus, with his pre battle planning with his team, is probably approaching this like a Blitzball game, with the Star Dragon Sword being the ball, and Neclord being the goal. I don't think Frog is getting to him easily at all. I think the big thing is that Kaos is utterly fantastic as a distraction, with the sharks and lasers and energy waves and so on. He could be rather effective at keeping Tidus away from Frog. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:880241177] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>Tidus, with his pre battle planning with his team, is probably approaching this like a Blitzball game, with the Star Dragon Sword being the ball, and Neclord being the goal. I don't think Frog is getting to him easily at all.</quote> I think the big thing is that Kaos is utterly fantastic as a distraction, with the sharks and lasers and energy waves and so on. He could be rather effective at keeping Tidus away from Frog.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 06/01/17 9:49:07 PM #30:	As this topic series resident Skylanders expert: Kaos is actually his own element that is all the other elements combined, which as of Trap Team includes a Holy (Light) element. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:880241256] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>As this topic series resident Skylanders expert: Kaos is actually his own element that is all the other elements combined, which as of Trap Team includes a Holy (Light) element.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 06/01/17 9:49:22 PM #31:	KJH posted... Since when did most vampires die from water anyway? Like honestly, LoK ones are the only ones I can think of that do that. Since forever. Running water is one of the traditional vampire weaknesses. Even Alucard takes damage from water in SotN till you get the Holy Symbol and he's a daywalker too. --- No problem and congratulation! BK_Sheikah00 committed a cute and pop genocide of love against the gurus! Kyaa~ <cite>Lopen posted [p:880241274] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote><cite>KJH posted...</cite> <quote>Since when did most vampires die from water anyway? Like honestly, LoK ones are the only ones I can think of that do that. </quote> Since forever. Running water is one of the traditional vampire weaknesses. Even Alucard takes damage from water in SotN till you get the Holy Symbol and he's a daywalker too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 06/01/17 9:51:41 PM #32:	Neclord is not a traditional vampire. As said, he goes around in broad daylight at one point (the bit where he kidnaps Tengar and goes "Nyaha, come find her by sundown or we have an evil wedding"). No particular reason to think any other vampire problems apply either. --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:880241414] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>Neclord is not a traditional vampire. As said, he goes around in broad daylight at one point (the bit where he kidnaps Tengar and goes "Nyaha, come find her by sundown or we have an evil wedding"). No particular reason to think any other vampire problems apply either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 06/01/17 9:51:41 PM #33:	Skyridge87 posted... trdl23 posted... Just how damaging are said energy sharks? I honestly have no idea, but it's probably more "death by a thousand cuts" type of thing, considering how many of them there are. Tidus is gonna have to sit there and take it or spend a lot of time dodging them, either way leaving Neclord open. Well taking spyro as the big standard Skylander, it takes on average 5-6 hits to kill a typical skylander, less for the squishy ones, 8 or 9 for the beefy ones like Tree Rex. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:880241416] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote><cite>Skyridge87 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>trdl23 posted...</cite> <quote>Just how damaging are said energy sharks?</quote> I honestly have no idea, but it's probably more "death by a thousand cuts" type of thing, considering how many of them there are. Tidus is gonna have to sit there and take it or spend a lot of time dodging them, either way leaving Neclord open.</quote> Well taking spyro as the big standard Skylander, it takes on average 5-6 hits to kill a typical skylander, less for the squishy ones, 8 or 9 for the beefy ones like Tree Rex.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 06/01/17 9:53:06 PM #34:	Oh yeah, and Tidus has Hastega here, which should be easy enough to get off given everyone is starting on opposite ends of the Blitzball field. My side is buffed, they aren't. --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:880241504] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>Oh yeah, and Tidus has Hastega here, which should be easy enough to get off given everyone is starting on opposite ends of the Blitzball field. My side is buffed, they aren't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greengravy294 06/01/17 9:53:39 PM #35:	KanzarisKelshen posted... Neclord who can electrocute the crap out of things. i was thinking this when i saw the terrain and thought "huh" neclord is super legit so i think he probably does huge work in the pool but idk, dont know who has THE SWORD or any arguments beyond "doesnt neclord have electricity???" so all i really got is that. --- BK_Sheikah00 might have won guru, but he hasn't won Mercs at least! <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:880241539] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote><cite>KanzarisKelshen posted...</cite> <quote>Neclord who can electrocute the crap out of things.</quote> i was thinking this when i saw the terrain and thought "huh" neclord is super legit so i think he probably does huge work in the pool but idk, dont know who has THE SWORD or any arguments beyond "doesnt neclord have electricity???" so all i really got is that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KJH 06/01/17 9:53:40 PM #36:	Lopen posted... KJH posted... Since when did most vampires die from water anyway? Like honestly, LoK ones are the only ones I can think of that do that. Since forever. Running water is one of the traditional vampire weaknesses. Even Alucard takes damage from water in SotN till you get the Holy Symbol and he's a daywalker too. I dunno, I looked it up and it seemed like the only myth about it was vampires don't like rivers because if they died in them (not from them), they'd be trapped. That seems like garlic-tier offense. --- You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that. <cite>KJH posted [p:880241542] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KJH posted...</cite> <quote>Since when did most vampires die from water anyway? Like honestly, LoK ones are the only ones I can think of that do that. </quote> Since forever. Running water is one of the traditional vampire weaknesses. Even Alucard takes damage from water in SotN till you get the Holy Symbol and he's a daywalker too.</quote> I dunno, I looked it up and it seemed like the only myth about it was vampires don't like rivers because if they died in them (not from them), they'd be trapped. That seems like garlic-tier offense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greengravy294 06/01/17 9:55:37 PM #37:	having progressed to the write ups, do frogs even actually swim like i mean i know they live in water but can i get some frog (irl) underwater feats, because im not really feeling frog in a pool, especially against HA HA HA-dus --- BK_Sheikah00 might have won guru, but he hasn't won Mercs at least! <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:880241656] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>having progressed to the write ups, do frogs even actually swim like i mean i know they live in water but can i get some frog (irl) underwater feats, because im not really feeling frog in a pool, especially against HA HA HA-dus</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 06/01/17 9:55:59 PM #38:	KJH posted... Lopen posted... KJH posted... Since when did most vampires die from water anyway? Like honestly, LoK ones are the only ones I can think of that do that. Since forever. Running water is one of the traditional vampire weaknesses. Even Alucard takes damage from water in SotN till you get the Holy Symbol and he's a daywalker too. I dunno, I looked it up and it seemed like the only myth about it was vampires don't like rivers because if they died in them (not from them), they'd be trapped. That seems like garlic-tier offense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vampire_traits_in_folklore_and_fiction It's literally listed here. >_> --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:880241681] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote><cite>KJH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KJH posted...</cite> <quote>Since when did most vampires die from water anyway? Like honestly, LoK ones are the only ones I can think of that do that. </quote> Since forever. Running water is one of the traditional vampire weaknesses. Even Alucard takes damage from water in SotN till you get the Holy Symbol and he's a daywalker too.</quote> I dunno, I looked it up and it seemed like the only myth about it was vampires don't like rivers because if they died in them (not from them), they'd be trapped. That seems like garlic-tier offense.</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vampire_traits_in_folklore_and_fiction It's literally listed here. >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 06/01/17 9:57:04 PM #39:	I don't think Frog ever displays any water-related feats except for that time Magus knocks him in a river and he washes up unconscious. Which doesn't seem like much of a feat. --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:880241764] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>I don't think Frog ever displays any water-related feats except for that time Magus knocks him in a river and he washes up unconscious. Which doesn't seem like much of a feat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 06/01/17 9:57:43 PM #40:	greengravy294 posted... having progressed to the write ups, do frogs even actually swim like i mean i know they live in water but can i get some frog (irl) underwater feats, because im not really feeling frog in a pool, especially against HA HA HA-dus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N3nEGyt4Ak --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:880241808] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote><cite>greengravy294 posted...</cite> <quote>having progressed to the write ups, do frogs even actually swim like i mean i know they live in water but can i get some frog (irl) underwater feats, because im not really feeling frog in a pool, especially against HA HA HA-dus</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N3nEGyt4Ak</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GANON1025 06/01/17 9:58:34 PM #41:	I think even if it's just Tidus vs. Frog and Kaos, Tidus can take it. --- http://i.imgur.com/gSaEoxZ.png <cite>GANON1025 posted [p:880241868] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>I think even if it's just Tidus vs. Frog and Kaos, Tidus can take it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 06/01/17 9:59:01 PM #42:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N3nEGyt4Ak Here is a frog swimming --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:880241889] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N3nEGyt4Ak Here is a frog swimming</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 06/01/17 9:59:27 PM #43:	Probably, given Tidus is all but guaranteed to be under Haste here by the time anyone meets up. Doesn't really need to do it alone given Neclord is going to murder kill everyone with lightning bolts, but still --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:880241914] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>Probably, given Tidus is all but guaranteed to be under Haste here by the time anyone meets up. Doesn't really need to do it alone given Neclord is going to murder kill everyone with lightning bolts, but still</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 06/01/17 9:59:40 PM #44:	Can't believe Suikoden isn't on that wiki page we'd have had an answer. --- No problem and congratulation! BK_Sheikah00 committed a cute and pop genocide of love against the gurus! Kyaa~ <cite>Lopen posted [p:880241925] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>Can't believe Suikoden isn't on that wiki page we'd have had an answer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Johnbobb 06/01/17 10:00:36 PM #45:	Frog v. Geese made me laugh for some reason sounds like a fun home video --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ http://i.imgur.com/sRNNOSP.png <cite>Johnbobb posted [p:880241982] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>Frog v. Geese made me laugh for some reason sounds like a fun home video</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greengravy294 06/01/17 10:01:17 PM #46:	i was really hoping for something in real time but i can probably agree that frog (character) probably has strong legs. --- BK_Sheikah00 might have won guru, but he hasn't won Mercs at least! <cite>greengravy294 posted [p:880242023] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>i was really hoping for something in real time but i can probably agree that frog (character) probably has strong legs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 06/01/17 10:02:13 PM #47:	Geese is enough of a jock he can probably manage to swim around and REPUKKEN things just fine, actually. Certainly more of a threat than the gunners trying to shoot (if I recall my Mythbusters, trying to fire a shotgun like Claire has underwater will literally make it blow up) --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:880242080] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>Geese is enough of a jock he can probably manage to swim around and REPUKKEN things just fine, actually. Certainly more of a threat than the gunners trying to shoot (if I recall my Mythbusters, trying to fire a shotgun like Claire has underwater will literally make it blow up)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 06/01/17 10:03:46 PM #48:	Anyway on thinking about it I'd probably give Neclord a pass because water is an element in Suikdoen 2's magic and he doesn't take damage from it-- nor is it mentioned, so yeah. Enough "nos" on that list that it shouldn't be taken as a given. So my vote if I had one would be for Team Neclord. --- No problem and congratulation! BK_Sheikah00 committed a cute and pop genocide of love against the gurus! Kyaa~ <cite>Lopen posted [p:880242194] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>Anyway on thinking about it I'd probably give Neclord a pass because water is an element in Suikdoen 2's magic and he doesn't take damage from it-- nor is it mentioned, so yeah. Enough "nos" on that list that it shouldn't be taken as a given. So my vote if I had one would be for Team Neclord.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KJH 06/01/17 10:03:54 PM #49:	StealThisSheen posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vampire_traits_in_folklore_and_fiction It's literally listed here. >_> Everything's different though! Sunlight's easily the most universal one, but water (not even holy water) is totally brought up less than stakes, crosses, or garlic in most of the media I've seen. And then I'd have thought holy water as a weakness before regular water too. --- You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that. <cite>KJH posted [p:880242205] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vampire_traits_in_folklore_and_fiction It's literally listed here. >_></quote> Everything's different though! Sunlight's easily the most universal one, but water (not even holy water) is totally brought up less than stakes, crosses, or garlic in most of the media I've seen. And then I'd have thought holy water as a weakness before regular water too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 06/01/17 10:04:44 PM #50:	... actually now that I think about it the water runes only have healing in Suikoden 1/2. Are there any water (not ice) attacks in those games? --- No problem and congratulation! BK_Sheikah00 committed a cute and pop genocide of love against the gurus! Kyaa~ <cite>Lopen posted [p:880242265] in ~FIGHT!~ F... [t:75411725]...</cite> <quote>... actually now that I think about it the water runes only have healing in Suikoden 1/2. Are there any water (not ice) attacks in those games?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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