Current Events > BREAKING: Vehicle plows into 15-20 people on London Bridge.

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Yes very it's a complete pile of shit lol. no other sources are mentioning gunshots or stabbing as usual people are trying to fear monger.
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spikethedevil posted...

ReignFury posted...

I wonder how many times this will happen before they start doing something about it.

You have proof it wasn't a drunk guy?

Bayesian probability.
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Rob Cesternino posted...

And this is why we need Donald Trump.

Ampelas posted...

Honestly, all these attacks in Europe/around the world are proof that US vetting procedures are already stringent enough and that travel bans are unnecessary. Trumpanzees should be upset at these attacks rather than gloating.

What are the odds this topic ends up locked like last time
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ReignFury posted...

MrZAP17 posted...

ReignFury posted...

I wonder how many times this will happen before they start doing something about it.

What does "doing something about it" mean to you?

Read between the lines

Act like I'm slow and ignorant and need it to be spelt out to me.
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Bio1590 posted...

What are the odds this topic ends up locked like last time

Depends on if some asshat decides to post gore probably

SHADOW0106 posted...

Religion of peace

Uh wait for the reasons for the attack to come out first.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Brits, I implore you, don't let this be normalized. Commit to a hard brexit and take your fucking country back.

Take it back from who? And how would a hard brexit stop this?

s0nicfan posted...

London's mayor Sadiq Khan flat out said in an interview that radical islamic terrorism is just "part and parcel" of living in a major city.

No, what he said was preparation and vigilance are part and parcel of living in a major city.

Ampelas posted...

The Sun is untrustworthy?

Yep, it's a sensationalist tabloid.

MrZAP17 posted...

Act like I'm slow and ignorant and need it to be spelt out to me.

I'll jump in with an idea. Hyopthetically, let's say this attack was an islamic extremist (it may not be). If he recently travelled to the middle east, the immediate question was why was he allowed, and why was he let back? If you're collecting refugees from a country, it shouldn't be legal to vacation there, and if you do you should immediately be detained and questioned on your return.

But maybe he didn't go anywhere. The next step should be to find out which mosque he attended and shut it down. Every time there's an attack, you show down that guy's place of worship. If the end result is every mosque in the UK is shut down, than that's the religion's problem. Will that mean a few churches or temples shut down, too? Sure, but community enforcement is key to catching these people, and they're not getting their ideas from nowhere. Any place of worship that doesn't breed terrorism can stay open.
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creativerealms posted...

Uh wait for the reasons for the attack to come out first.

Roxborough4Ever posted...

can we mod crap like this? this is obviously some sort of passive aggressive way to blame a certain group of people without saying it......we can just see the sarcasm dripping from your post a mile off

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It's getting harder and harder to defend Muslims.
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s0nicfan posted...

I'll jump in with an idea. Hyopthetically, let's say this attack was an islamic extremist (it may not be). If he recently travelled to the middle east, the immediate question was why was he allowed, and why was he let back? If you're collecting refugees from a country, it shouldn't be legal to vacation there, and if you do you should immediately be detained and questioned on your return.

You made a pretty big jump from Islamic extremist to refugee there.

no indication of a stabbing, van mounted the pavement and has injured 5 people - although there are reports that someone may have fallen off the bridge. driver has been arrested "belligerent and shirtless" by the police
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Seeing the live shots of officers still coming in with riot shields and helmets; I'm not thinking that this was a drunk guy.
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JE19426 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I'll jump in with an idea. Hyopthetically, let's say this attack was an islamic extremist (it may not be). If he recently travelled to the middle east, the immediate question was why was he allowed, and why was he let back? If you're collecting refugees from a country, it shouldn't be legal to vacation there, and if you do you should immediately be detained and questioned on your return.

You made a pretty big jump from Islamic extremist to refugee there.

They're separate cases. The first is refugees doing attacks, and the second is citizens doing them. That's why I provided 2 different cases. Also keep in mind that a citizen isn't a refugee, but if we're taking refugees from said citizen's home country, my condition still applies. Either you're fleeing a country due to persecution, or it's safe to vacation there. It can't be both.
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ThePrinceFish posted...

Seeing the live shots of officers still coming in with riot shields and helmets; I'm not thinking that this was a drunk guy.

I think they'd get them out for anyone driving a van into pedestrians at a tourist spot, just saying


at this time, I'm meaning. when the terror level's only just been dropped from Critical
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Ampelas posted...

Bio1590 posted...

What are the odds this topic ends up locked like last time

Depends on if some asshat decides to post gore probably

That's not really what got the topic locked last time.

The topic devolving into a "Fuck the Muslims" shitfest is what did it.
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WhinyZach posted...

lets pretend it was not an extremist until it's confirmed.

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Bloodychess posted...

WhinyZach posted...

lets pretend it was not an extremist until it's confirmed.

and then do nothing afterwards, because all the "let's wait guys" people mysteriously vanish as soon as the evidence they're waiting for is released.
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Bio1590 posted...

Ampelas posted...

Bio1590 posted...

What are the odds this topic ends up locked like last time

Depends on if some asshat decides to post gore probably

That's not really what got the topic locked last time.

The topic devolving into a "Fuck the Muslims" shitfest is what did it.

Unfortunately that will probably happen with this one too

Bluebomber182 posted...

remember a few weeks ago when a car randown a crowd in nyc and people immediately blamed radical islam? turned out it was a drunk guy who was also texting. this very well could be another act of radical islamic terror but lets wait for more info. again weshould just care about the injured right now

It wasn't just a drunk guy who was texting. It was a dishonorably discharged vet with a history of psych problems who was also high on PCP and intentionally plowed into a crowd of people with intent to kill in perhaps the most crowded busiest part of NYC, killing 1 and injuring 22 others.

It wasn't just no ordinary drunk who had no idea, and It wasn't radical Islamic terrorism from ISIS. But that act was still terrorism in my eyes and many others view it that way too. But you're right, people should care less about labeling tragedies and care for the injured and preventative measures in the future.

s0nicfan posted...

They're separate cases. The first is refugees doing attacks, and the second is citizens doing them. That's why I provided 2 different cases. Also keep in mind that a citizen isn't a refugee, but if we're taking refugees from said citizen's home country, my condition still applies. Either you're fleeing a country due to persecution, or it's safe to vacation there. It can't be both.

Which of the cases was supposed to be a refugee doing it and which was a citizen? Also what about people who aren't either? Furthermore this may come as a shock to you but the middle east has more than one country in it. Also just because some people are being persecuted doesn't mean all.

Let's not jump to conclusions guys. The terrorists can't hurt us if we don't directly blame the people who continuously keep doing this.
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That's what happens when you let "refugees" into your country.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3717339/london-bridge-attack-car-police-response-latest/

The Sun is saying there were also a couple of men stabbing random people with 12 inch blades.

I'm sure we'll all be shocked when it's revealed who the culprits are.
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Another witness reports hearing rapid fire gunshots.
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The Admiral posted...

The Sun is saying there

the sun would say noel edmonds was carpet bombing london bridge if they thought it would get a couple of extra clicks
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Apparently another incident at some place called Borough Market.
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Damn.

#74 and #76

will trigger some sensitive peeps
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Is Sky News reputable?

http://news.sky.com/story/knife-attack-after-car-mounts-pavement-in-london-reports-10903580

radical christians at it again smh
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The Admiral posted...

I'm sure we'll all be shocked when it's revealed who the culprits are.

Of course we'll never learn what their motives were though.
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10 mins walk from my home.

Walked there easily a 1000 times...

What's the odds on it being caused / influenced by members of a religion that does no harm and integrates harmoniously?
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The joy you guys get out of this being islamic terrorism is sickening....its almost like you're HAPPY about it just so you can rub it in the other sides face....newflash, that other side you seem to love arguing with doesn't support terrorists or terrorism...we can jut separate them from other Muslims.....

Ampelas posted...

Is Sky News reputable?

http://news.sky.com/story/knife-attack-after-car-mounts-pavement-in-london-reports-10903580

More so than The Sun.

Too many posts in this topic are offensive. I want it locked.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go bury my head in the sand.

s0nicfan posted...

MrZAP17 posted...

Act like I'm slow and ignorant and need it to be spelt out to me.

I'll jump in with an idea. Hyopthetically, let's say this attack was an islamic extremist (it may not be). If he recently travelled to the middle east, the immediate question was why was he allowed, and why was he let back? If you're collecting refugees from a country, it shouldn't be legal to vacation there, and if you do you should immediately be detained and questioned on your return.

But maybe he didn't go anywhere. The next step should be to find out which mosque he attended and shut it down. Every time there's an attack, you show down that guy's place of worship. If the end result is every mosque in the UK is shut down, than that's the religion's problem. Will that mean a few churches or temples shut down, too? Sure, but community enforcement is key to catching these people, and they're not getting their ideas from nowhere. Any place of worship that doesn't breed terrorism can stay open.

Ah. Okay.

You realize most of the terrorists in the past European attacks were not refugees, right? In fact, I can't think of any (though admittedly this might be me forgetting someone). These are often not even first-generation immigrants, or at least people who grew up in Europe.

Plenty of immigrants go back to see family or whatever. I doubt they'll generally go to war-torn zones if they can help it, though. Sure, question them when they come back.

The main issue is the mosque thing. Do you really think that these mosques are just singlehandedly breeding terrorism, that the imams are preaching for blood? Don't think there could be plenty of other social factors involved?

Not to mention that you're punishing an entire congregation for the act of presumably one person when they weren't involved and were unaware of the situation. In case you haven't noticed, there's a thing called the internet that can be used for radicalization and recruitment. And while you make the caveat about including temples and churches, I wonder how much you believe that will be an issue and how much you're saying it to appear reasonable (it still wouldn't be).

There's a thing called religious freedom. Your willingness to curtail it under such circumstances strikes me as classic othering because of a fear response. They're the weird people who talk funny and they make you anxious. Yeah, there are also some people who do extreme violent shit as well, but I don't think you'd jump immediately to badmouthing a whole religion if it was a Christian who did this.

Even if you were right about all of that, your policies wouldn't work. Every time people ironically call it a religion of peace or talk about a clash of civilizations (thanks Huntington), or bomb a village in an attempt to root out a proven terrorist the problem is made worse. If you treat someone like an enemy, mistreat and persecute and slander them, eventually they will have no choice but to become your enemy out of simple self-preservation. You'll radicalize more people with such policies, not fewer. Dialogue, compassion, understanding, these are the things that will gradually heal the wounds over time, and better than any jagged scar caused by an ignorant and emotional reaction.
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it seems like half of the posters itt dont give a shit about the people that were injured and would rather play the blame game without facts. again this very well could be another act of radical islaic terror and if is people need to quit downplaying how huge of a problem RIT is to the world

just a couple days ago the casino attack was blamed on radical islam and it was a heist gone bad. waiting for facts is important in events like this
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They are moving some serious amounts of emergency vehicles around, damn. I really hope it's limited to injuries and that nobody died.

Bluebomber182 posted...

it seems like half of the posters itt dont give a shit about the people that were injured and would rather play the blame game without facts. again this very well could be another act of radical islaic terror and if is people need to quit downplaying how huge of a problem RIT is to the world

Actually, it seems to me like half the people in this topic are fucking sick and tired of these weekly terrorist attacks and of the excuses that are constantly made to never discuss the root cause, and the other half are apologists who want to virtue signal that they're progressive enough to say "not all Muslims are terrorists."
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The Admiral posted...

Bluebomber182 posted...

it seems like half of the posters itt dont give a shit about the people that were injured and would rather play the blame game without facts. again this very well could be another act of radical islaic terror and if is people need to quit downplaying how huge of a problem RIT is to the world

Actually, it seems to me like half the people in this topic are fucking sick and tired of these weekly terrorist attacks and of the excuses that are constantly made to never discuss the root cause, and the other half are apologists who want to virtue signal that they're progressive enough to say "not all Muslims are terrorists."

You're leaving out the people practically gloating. Shit like" this is why we need Trump "

The Admiral posted...

Bluebomber182 posted...

it seems like half of the posters itt dont give a shit about the people that were injured and would rather play the blame game without facts. again this very well could be another act of radical islaic terror and if is people need to quit downplaying how huge of a problem RIT is to the world

Actually, it seems to me like half the people in this topic are fucking sick and tired of these weekly terrorist attacks and of the excuses that are constantly made to never discuss the root cause, and the other half are apologists who want to virtue signal that they're progressive enough to say "not all Muslims are terrorists."

So what do we do, Admiral? Ban Islam? Make it illegal? You think that will make this stop? You really think banning Muslims will make extremists stop? What about the ones who are locally born? You don't see how your "ATTACK ALL MUSLIMS" behavior is just as counter-productive as the "Do nothing" crowd that you are screaming about?

Thereare 2 billion plus muslims that follow islam what can we even do banning an entire religion from a country isnt going to happen unless we ban all religion which im for religion breeds hate
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The Admiral posted...

Actually, it seems to me like half the people in this topic are fucking sick and tired of these weekly terrorist attacks and of the excuses that are constantly made to never discuss the root cause, and the other half are apologists who want to virtue signal that they're progressive enough to say "not all Muslims are terrorists."

When most of you make comments like "religion of peace amirite?" or "but guys let's wait and see!!" it just reeks of a bunch of manchildren who are gleefully waiting to find out that it was Islamic terrorists

everyone is sick of this shit happening and something drastic needs to change if it is RIT. the latest news coming in makes it very likely. all im saying is that posters should care about the injured right now
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TheVipaGTS posted...

The Admiral posted...

Bluebomber182 posted...

it seems like half of the posters itt dont give a shit about the people that were injured and would rather play the blame game without facts. again this very well could be another act of radical islaic terror and if is people need to quit downplaying how huge of a problem RIT is to the world

Actually, it seems to me like half the people in this topic are fucking sick and tired of these weekly terrorist attacks and of the excuses that are constantly made to never discuss the root cause, and the other half are apologists who want to virtue signal that they're progressive enough to say "not all Muslims are terrorists."

So what do we do, Admiral? Ban Islam? Make it illegal? You think that will make this stop? You really think banning Muslims will make extremists stop? What about the ones who are locally born? You don't see how your "ATTACK ALL MUSLIMS" behavior is just as counter-productive as the "Do nothing" crowd that you are screaming about?

Not to mention that the "do nothing" crowd aren't even advocating to do nothing. It's a difference of perspective, and a difference of methods. It is not passive nor a surrender.

Bluebomber182 posted...

everyone is sick of this shit happening and something drastic needs to change if it is RIT. the latest news coming in makes it very likely. all im saying is that posters should care about the injured right now

I agree about caring for the welfare of the injured, but frankly hoping for the best and posting well wishes isn't really helpful. Leave the care to the EMTs.
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