Current Events > How many genders are there?

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Stop expecting people to find evidence for you. Some of those articles are long as fuck, you can't really expect us to read em all.

@GiftedACIII
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GiftedACIII posted...

And no, David Reimer's case proves that wrong.

David Reimer's case is in no way conclusive evidence of anything. It reads more like a horror story than a scientific study.
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MutantJohn posted...

Good to see Gifted is still arguing his same spiel. At least COVxy is working towards his doctorate.

You're a known joke account who gets constantly trounced for having stupid opinions.
1dile_m posted...

Stop expecting people to find evidence for you. Some of those articles are long as fuck, you can't really expect us to read em all.

@GiftedACIII

That's ironic since you have had no evidence or made no arguments yourself other than grabbing an arbitrary definition from one biased site. David Reimer proves your theory wrong. And with your theory feminine men and masculine men might as well be the same thing as transgenders and that attack helicopter and otherkin are valid "gender identity". No, gender is socially constructed is pure bunk. Even Wikipedia which mixes together multiple sources have sources that say it's biological.
https://www.quora.com/What-causes-a-person-to-be-transgender

AugustAdoulin posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

And no, David Reimer's case proves that wrong.

David Reimer's case is in no way conclusive evidence of anything. It reads more like a horror story than a scientific study.

It's more than what you have though. And statistics show that the majority of transgenders have experienced their issue from a very young age, before they even really knew what genders were. Why don't we ask @Sayoria, @MorningRose, @Medussa @Kisai
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I'm a known account?
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36,000
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scientists-discover-why-fungi-have-36000-sexes-1119181.html
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GiftedACIII posted...

WHO's page is clearly a sociologist's definition meant to politicize the term and to use it to push their political agenda.

Of course you'd say that.

Right on their page, they're using it to talk about gender equality, gender division based on labour, gender mainstreaming, and other nonsense. They're unreliable.

Uh, they only posted definitions of those terms. There's no political agenda, just desperation on your part.

You didn't answer Armando's question. Why? Because if you abide by the sociologist's definition then gender really does have infinite possibilities and nonsense like "identifying as an attack helicopter" is a valid statement.

I didn't answer it because it wasn't directed towards me. Gender is socially constructed based on one's sex(Male/Female, Penis/Vagina), and since there are only two sexes, there can only be two genders. Simple stuff!
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1dile_m posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

WHO's page is clearly a sociologist's definition meant to politicize the term and to use it to push their political agenda.

Of course you'd say that.

Right on their page, they're using it to talk about gender equality, gender division based on labour, gender mainstreaming, and other nonsense. They're unreliable.

Uh, they only posted definitions of those terms. There's no political agenda, just desperation on your part.

You didn't answer Armando's question. Why? Because if you abide by the sociologist's definition then gender really does have infinite possibilities and nonsense like "identifying as an attack helicopter" is a valid statement.

I didn't answer it because it wasn't directed towards me. Gender is socially constructed based on one's sex(Male/Female, Penis/Vagina), and since there are only two sexes, there can only be two genders. Simple stuff!

A definition that is arbitrary based on what is clearly a political agenda. And no, you are objectively wrong. Even if you want to argue there are social factors in determining gender, there is also no denying that biology also plays a factor, which countless studies have proved though which one plays more is what's the main argument. Are you actually going to deny reality and say gender is ONLY socially constructed? And do you also believe one can flip flop genders at will?
Your argument is just fucking stupid. If gender is just what society tells you how you should act based on your chromosomes and genitals then why do girly men and tomboys exist? Are they all just transgender now?
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This is like watching Toast.
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MutantJohn posted...

I'm a known account?

That you are
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Gender doesn't really mean shit.

It's age/sex/location.

Not age/gender/location.
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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435638/transgender-identity-biology-gender-isnt-just-social-construct
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/gender-identity-biological-study/story?id=29335854

1dile_m trying to get into the women's room.

GiftedACIII posted...

A definition that is arbitrary based on what is clearly a political agenda.

How is it clearly a political agenda? I apologize if I gave you the impression that your opinion equates to anything more than a sack of horse shit; it doesn't, so please refrain from shoving it in my face.

there is also no denying that biology also plays a factor

I literally said Gender is socially constructed based on one's sex, so biology obviously is a factor. Please read carefully before you rush into responding.

By the way, you can also stop being a coward and step up on your main.

Lol, paranoid much? This is my main, though I don't see what that has to do with anything.
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1dile_m posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

A definition that is arbitrary based on what is clearly a political agenda.

How is it clearly a political agenda? I apologize if I gave you the impression that your opinion equates to anything more than a sack of horse shit; it doesn't, so please refrain from shoving it in my face.

there is also no denying that biology also plays a factor

I literally said Gender is socially constructed based on one's sex, so biology obviously is a factor. Please read carefully before you rush into responding.

By the way, you can also stop being a coward and step up on your main.

Lol, paranoid much? This is my main, though I don't see what that has to do with anything.

lmao how slow are you? I had that edited out half an hour ago. I've just never seen you before yet you were extremely keen to start shitposting right away though I can see that it's because this thread is now the "hot" thread of CE. Anyway it's clearly an agenda because the rest of it is shlock about how it should be analyzed in regards to gender equality, labour laws, gender relations etc etc. that have nothing to do with finding out the root cause of gender. Rather the definition of gender is made to be used in those contexts.
I can see your critical thinking capacity is extremely small. Also, again, http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/males-and-females-differ-in-specific-brain-structures
http://www.webmd.com/balance/features/how-male-female-brains-differ
http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/men-women-different-brains1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_sex_differences
http://www.pnas.org/content/111/2/823
http://transsexual.org/aprimer.html
In case, you didn't see how wrong you were the first time. This is called the "biology of gender" and is clearly about gender being rooted in the brain. I'll say it again, your argument is just f***ing stupid. If gender is just what society tells you how you should act based on your chromosomes and genitals then why do girly men and tomboys exist? Are they all just transgender now?
No, because you're just shitposting and have provided no evidence that gender is socially constructed other than one arbitrary definition. Or maybe you consider gender and gender identity separate things? Because more and more scientifical evidence is being shown that gender identity is mainly biological.
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Biological genders number two in total, determined by your chromosomes during your development -- male and female. This is a scientific fact.

As for gender identity, there are three. Male, female, and non-binary. Pick whichever one feels right and you do you fam. No judgement.

Any other genders that people might list as far as identity goes are just irrelevant, pointless, made-up bullshit.
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Two. Male and female. And it's biological. Tumblrturds are idiots.
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@GiftedACIII stop PMSing, it's just a fucking debate. Also, I noticed that you didn't address any of my points, you just mindlessly regurgitated the same shit you've been saying from the jump.

You're a shit debater! Oh, and "one definition" you say? Let's see

Either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/gender

either the male or female division of a species, especially as differentiated by social and cultural
roles and behavior
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/gender

And you said it was just one definition.
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1dile_m posted...

@GiftedACIII stop PMSing, it's just a fucking debate. Also, I noticed that you didn't address any of my points, you just mindlessly regurgitated the same shit you've been saying from the jump.

You're a shit debater! Oh, and "one definition" you say? Let's see

Either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/gender

either the male or female division of a species, especially as differentiated by social and cultural
roles and behavior
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/gender

And you said it was just one definition.

You're projecting here because the only one being a narrow minded clown who's deflecting and mindlessly regurgitating shit is you. You don't even have a point. All you've been doing is going "hurr look at my dictionary definitions because I'm too dense for a critical and logical approach" over and over again while dodging studies that say the opposite. No, you're not debating. You're just shitposting.
You also have shit reading comprehension. Yes, gender is almost always used in a social format but that doesn't mean it's socially constructed. Behavior is generally used in reference to sociology but it is also greatly influenced and constructed by biology and isn't completely a social construct. Again, if gender is a social construct then that means you can flip genders at will and that masculine women and feminine men are the same thing as transgenders because if it's just a social construct, what's the difference? They're both acting the same way as society says they shouldn't be acting. There would be no reason to separate them. Even though transgender makes up less than 1% of the population and many people behave the opposite of what is expected of them.
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Your insults are adorable.
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So basically you're admitting that you don't have the metal capability to make actual points without fleeing to a dictionary and can now only resort to shitposting? Should've just said so from the beginning. Could've saved a whole lot of time.
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Arcanine2009 posted...

and gender is based on the role

nope
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BillyKidd posted...

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GiftedACIII posted...

1. You're projecting here because the only one being a narrow minded clown who's deflecting and mindlessly regurgitating shit is you. 2. You don't even have a point. All you've been doing is going "hurr look at my dictionary definitions because I'm too dense for a critical and logical approach" over and over again while 3. dodging studies that say the opposite. No, you're not debating. You're just shitposting. You also have shit reading comprehension. 4. Yes, gender is almost always used in a social format but that doesn't mean it's socially constructed. 5. Behavior is generally used in reference to sociology but it is also greatly influenced and constructed by biology and isn't completely a social construct. Again, if gender is a social construct then that means you can flip genders at will and that masculine women and feminine men are the same thing as transgenders because if it's just a social construct, what's the difference? They're both acting the same way as society says they shouldn't be acting. There would be no reason to separate them. Even though transgender makes up less than 1% of the populations and many people behave the opposite of what is expected of them.

1. Adorable. You don't wanna turn this into a roast battle. I'm 'a leave you crispy as fuck boi, ask about me.
2. I do have a point. Gender is socially constructed based on one's sex. Are you saying that's wrong?
3. You posted like a hundred links, did you really expect me to read em all? Fuck outta here.
4. Yes, it does. And what did say about your opinion?
5. FUCK YOUR OPINION.
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Two.
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Fuchsia
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GiftedACIII posted...

It's more than what you have though. And statistics show that the majority of transgenders have experienced their issue from a very young age, before they even really knew what genders were. Why don't we ask Sayoria, MorningRose, Medussa @Kisai

I don't really want to get involved in the rest of what's going on here, but honestly, I don't even like discussing the whole age thing, because even that makes me feel like a black sheep. I might have experimented a bit with this sort of thing when I was 12-13, but I didn't want to be a girl when I was as young as 4 or 5. I'd say it happened much more gradually and slowly, over time. I didn't even tell anyone about this sort of thing until I was about 21 years old, and didn't even dress in public as a girl until 27-28. But I don't really like the idea that it's "supposed" to have happened at a certain age, when you're really young. Although, I'm guessing that is how it was supposed to have been...
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Surely there are 2 genders, male and female.

Are people saying that a male to female transgender is not a real woman?

Two
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When people say non binary do they mean XXY? XX is female and XY is male, but like how do people with that determine their gender?
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1dile_m posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

1. You're projecting here because the only one being a narrow minded clown who's deflecting and mindlessly regurgitating shit is you. 2. You don't even have a point. All you've been doing is going "hurr look at my dictionary definitions because I'm too dense for a critical and logical approach" over and over again while 3. dodging studies that say the opposite. No, you're not debating. You're just shitposting. You also have shit reading comprehension. 4. Yes, gender is almost always used in a social format but that doesn't mean it's socially constructed. 5. Behavior is generally used in reference to sociology but it is also greatly influenced and constructed by biology and isn't completely a social construct. Again, if gender is a social construct then that means you can flip genders at will and that masculine women and feminine men are the same thing as transgenders because if it's just a social construct, what's the difference? They're both acting the same way as society says they shouldn't be acting. There would be no reason to separate them. Even though transgender makes up less than 1% of the populations and many people behave the opposite of what is expected of them.

1. Adorable. You don't wanna turn this into a roast battle. I'm 'a leave you crispy as fuck boi, ask about me.
2. I do have a point. Gender is socially constructed based on one's sex. Are you saying that's wrong?
3. You posted like a hundred links, did you really expect me to read em all? Fuck outta here.
4. Yes, it does. And what did say about your opinion?
5. FUCK YOUR OPINION.

This isn't about a roast battle. This is about what's factually observable. You have not done shit but mindlessly regurgitate "SOCIAL CONSTRUCT CUZ DICTIONARY TOLD ME" in all your posts as well as dodging every single point I brought up and then when you try to accuse others of doing that it only shows that you're projecting. Roast battle, lol. How old are you?
And no that's not a point, that's literally just your thesis, which you haven't supported with any evidence other than dictionaries which is literally THE simpleton's way to grab other people's evidence without understanding how it works themselves.
lmao "there's too many links can't read them all" is that supposed to an argument or you admitting just how small and narrow your mental capacity is? That explains why you have to compartmentalise everything into numbered bullet points that you've cherry picked. Finally, no that is not an opinion, it is an objective fact that's been demonstrated through logic and reasoning. But at least I've exposed you as the petulant whiny child you are. And you ask others how old they are.
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HogRiderreturns posted...

Two.

Penis or vagina.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75441001/880765803

@GiftedACIII

You never addressed this.

The study didn’t account for whether participants’ gender matched their biological designation as male or female.

This is from a study, POSTED BY YOU. LOL, your own evidence destroys your entire shitty argument. Sad!

That may have played some role in the sex differences noted in the study, she says.

From the same study. Notice how it says "Sex differences" and not "gender differences"?

"Scientifically, gender is just the sex of the brain."

LMAO you actually posted that. So, does your brain have a penis or a vagina? LOL

@SerperiorThanU Uh, do I know you?
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Gifted whats you're opinion on what intersex people?

I was reading about it, but I'm like not the smartest person.

hmmm
actually idk maybe i have to talk to someone that is going through that.
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enuff
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1dile_m posted...

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75441001/880765803

@GiftedACIII

You never addressed this.

The study didn’t account for whether participants’ gender matched their biological designation as male or female.

This is from a study, POSTED BY YOU. LOL, your own evidence destroys your entire shitty argument. Sad!

That may have played some role in the sex differences noted in the study, she says.

From the same study. Notice how it says "Sex differences" and not "gender differences"?

"Scientifically, gender is just the sex of the brain."

LMAO you actually posted that. So, does your brain have a penis or a vagina? LOL

Because that is completely irrelevant and a shitty deflection. 99.99% of people's gender match their sex. And people who are actually transgender would bring that up beforehand. Obviously it's assumed the 99.99% chance that all participants are cisgender.
And your second quote was so completely out of context that I just thought you had an aneurysm and ignored you. Your quote was referring to menopause and not the ingrained differences in the brain.
Obviously what I mean by gender being the sex of the brain is that gender is the brain's state of being male or female. Even with cultural and societal influence it shouldn't change. That's why tomboys and feminine men are just everyday things while transgenders make up .04% of the population. By your shit logic those are all the same thing and you can flip genders at will depending on cultural changes. How dense can you be? XY chromosomes are considered male chromosomes and XX chromosomes are considered female chromsomes, where are the penises and vaginas in those? The things that are socially constructed due to your genitals are gender roles. The gender itself-your brain does not.
It's really unbelievable how ignorant you are.

armandro posted...

Gifted whats you're opinion on what intersex people?

I was reading about it, but I'm like not the smartest person.

hmmm
actually idk maybe i have to talk to someone that is going through that.

Most hermaphrodites and other intersex people have one prominent gender and don't think they are multiple/neither/can change which further supports my point.
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there are currently 137 genders
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*reads ten posts into this topic and already it was garbage* :l
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there are now 139 genders
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I don't get people who care about this topic that much, BUT is it really that hard for some of you to comprehend that sex =/= gender?
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As many as you want

There are only two sexes though
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GiftedACIII posted...

Because that is completely irrelevant and a shitty deflection. 1. 99.99% of people's gender match their sex. And people who are actually transgender would bring that up beforehand. Obviously it's assumed the 99.99% chance that all participants are cisgender.

1. Like I said, you're a shitty debater. Where the fuck did you pull that number from? Evidence, clown.

Everything else in this quote is just you rambling, out of catching the vapours. And look at the typo, you clearly mad as fuck, LOL. Can't even type right.

Calm down! It's just a debate, Lol.

Your quote was referring to menopause and not the ingrained differences in the brain.

Irrelevant, clown, it still clearly disproves your claim that gender is biological.

...whether participants’ gender matched their biological designation as male or female.

Biological designation as male or female is "Sex", which is what you're confusing with gender.

By your shit logic those are all the same thing and you can flip genders at will depending on cultural changes.

I think you're taking the definition of "gender" or "gender roles" too literally. Given that your brain has a penis, I wouldn't put it past you.

XY chromosomes are considered male chromosomes and XX chromosomes are considered female chromsomes, where are the penises and vaginas in those?

Literally not the same as the nonsense you actually posted:

"Scientifically, gender is just the sex of the brain ." GiftedACIII

Now, here's the definition of Sex:

Either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.

So, you clearly said the brain has a penis and/or vagina. You actually posted that, LOL.
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1dile_m posted...

1. Like I said, you're a s***ty debater. Where the f*** did you pull that number from? Evidence, clown.

Everything else in this quote is just you rambling, out of catching the vapours. And look at the typo, you clearly mad as f***, LOL. Can't even type right.

Calm down! It's just a debate, Lol.

Um http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/How-Many-Adults-Identify-as-Transgender-in-the-United-States.pdf This is common knowledge. Ok, 99.42% You really needed to be this anal about it? And what typo lol? Are you so mad that you're seeing things now? I mean, you're the one whose only response is "FUCK YOU ARRRGH" when presented with why gender being a social construct is ridiculous.
1dile_m posted...

Irrelevant, clown, it still clearly disproves your claim that gender is biological.

...whether participants’ gender matched their biological designation as male or female.

Biological designation as male or female is "Sex", which is what you're confusing with gender.

Is your reading comprehension this shit? It says it didn't account for whether people were transgender aka whether their brain matched their genitals/chromosomes or not. That was just a disclaimer they made. It didn't say anything about gender not being biological. You should retake 3rd grade again.


1dile_m posted...

I think you're taking the definition of "gender" or "gender roles" too literally. Given that your brain has a penis, I wouldn't put it past you.

This isn't an argument. This is you trying to dodge why your entire thesis about it being socially constructed is shit. Yeah, you're not debating. You're just shitposting.
1dile_m posted...

Literally not the same as the nonsense you actually posted:

"Scientifically, gender is just the sex of the brain ." GiftedACIII

Now, here's the definition of Sex:

Either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.

So, you clearly said the brain has a penis and/or vagina. You actually posted that, LOL.

Well, that's what I meant. Gender being the state of male/female of the brain the same way the allosome combinations are the state of male/female for chromosomes. So was this entire argument just you intentionally misinterpreting what I said and continuing to double down on that?
So basically you're an ignorant fool who had little knowledge of what he was talking about yet still butted in to shitpost
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Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

As many as you want

There are only two sexes though

intersex people tho
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12. When I don't know the answer is always 12.

Soviet_Shurima posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

As many as you want

There are only two sexes though

intersex people tho

I found out about this. I'm confused about it tho. Because are they both genders or none? Gender less?
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armandro posted...

Soviet_Shurima posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

As many as you want

There are only two sexes though

intersex people tho

I found out about this. I'm confused about it tho. Because are they both genders or none? Gender less?

somewhere in between i think
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Two
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