Board 8 > A Feast For Crows Mafia: Topic 1 - Some Men Think Because They're Afraid To Do

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Note to self to reread page 7 later, I got a little skim happy when I realized I was almost caught up
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I don't think I've seen a game where Town Nana gets lynched, fwiw

What's this mafia game where it happened, red?
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Hey vi, why are you reading Nana as town?
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Thinking about it, that's a slip

##vote: red

Nana hasn't gotten lynched in a mafia game on board 8 tonmy historian-esque knowledge. If it happened, it was in Forum Mafia. Red hasn't played in Forum Mafia (he was largely against the move)

Ergo, made up tell. If this was for, say, Kanz or KBM I would understand. But Nana? Nah
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My Immortal posted...

Hey vi, why are you reading Nana as town?

Just how he reacted I guess

Activity is basically the biggest tell regarding Nana though, from what I remember
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Interesting, VI. Going to sleep, remember I said that later.
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I have a reaponse but I don't want to give red ammunition for a response so I'll wait.
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I mean, if there was a game where it happened then state it. There may have been a couple games in 2016 I wasn't paying attention in

Still a really peculiar statement
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Han was never a good scum player

Currently reading on the topic, but I single-handedly won two Scum games in a row then kept rolling Scum and nobody gave me the benefit of the doubt and that's why I stopped playing mafia back in 2011.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Han was never a good scum player

Currently reading on the topic, but I single-handedly won two Scum games in a row then kept rolling Scum and nobody gave me the benefit of the doubt and that's why I stopped playing mafia back in 2011.

So we should lynch you, you say?

Oh and VI I can't think of one in this board Nana has been lynched in specifically, that's not what my thought is in
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My Immortal posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Han was never a good scum player

Currently reading on the topic, but I single-handedly won two Scum games in a row then kept rolling Scum and nobody gave me the benefit of the doubt and that's why I stopped playing mafia back in 2011.

So we should lynch you, you say?

Oh and VI I can't think of one in this board Nana has been lynched in specifically, that's not what my thought is in

Should lynch Chris for being a dirty liar, is what I say.



I've caught up in topic, can give sparknotes of my thoughts right now, but I'm a little hesitant because I want to see some more posts from certain people.


Main thing is that I'm afraid of FFD. He is a good player, is playing well, and I have no lean on him either way. He is a person who can run this game regardless of alignment, so it's very worth keeping eyes on him. Also, I heavily encourage this red vs FFD thing.

Will give a few more thoughts after reviewing my notes.
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MI I know I remember a game where you were miserably disengaged scum but you didn't want to replace out because of some particular reason and thus petered out and got lynched day 2. For the life of me I can't recall which game that was atm.

And I'm unclear where you stand on Nana about the "that us scum Nana" comment. Are you saying his defensiveness over being called out for his Jeff vote makes him town or scum?

Sorry if I'm not totally with it. Was up literally all night.
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should say "that is scum Nana"
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Han is scum this game too huh

Unfortunate
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Like if the main thing he took away is "I am wary of FFD he is a good player" then that disappoints me greatly
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All I've seen from Jeff so far are comments on things. Doesn't feel like any real playing, and I know people like to handwave "new player" on, but that's a really bad strategy when that new player is Scum. But yeah, Jeff is doing classic Scum strat of being active through posting a lot and commenting on things without really directly contributing to discussion. Feel good about this lynch.

Nana focused on Jeff from early-on which I liked, especially when other people are going the "oh he's new route", which puts Nana in the Townish tier for me. I really disliked puns early defense on Jeff for that (not gonna seek out the exact post though I might in a bit). Basically dislike puns there for the same reason I like Nana.

More on puns - hate the complaining about flavor. Too much, feels forced. However, his posts continued to play out in his semi-dumb-playful manner, so if that keeps up (which I'm not seeing!) then that's usually a Town tell for him.

KBM is obviously an easy lynch, but I really hated her hopping on Nana. That just feels like Scum picking an 'easy' lynch to put themselves on to.

Boko hasn't really posted much, but it was a whole smattering of fluff so that really rubs wrong. Want to see more, but that's still the early read.


That's basically my shorthand (minus my #1 Scum read) at the moment. MI would be on the Townish tier but that was just for saying I was a good player.
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Well then

I stand corrected. (What's your thoughts on red?)
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VeryInsane posted...

Like if the main thing he took away is "I am wary of FFD he is a good player" then that disappoints me greatly

Maybe I didn't explain it well enough, but that's not it.

Let me put up a trio of players - Chris, red, FFD. All good players, all tough to read (at least to me).

Chris seems very happy to play this game. Chris is an emotional player. He tried to put Boko back on track early. I don't really have an alignment read either way from him yet, but the gears are turning and I feel myself locking on some opinion of him after this day.

Red is traditionally pretty inactive, but he carries a little bit of a scheming energy to him when he's Scum, or a more earnest energy when he's Town, so I feel that I can lock him down eventually.


FFD has posted a lot and I feel absolutely nothing. That's a huge red flag, because usually I feel at least SOMETHING. death looked a little bad for his first couple posts until I read them correctly and realized I liked what he was talking about in terms of meta. Boko posted a little, but it still came across as Scummy. I already have someone pegged as Scum for their first post.

FFD is nothing. He's a void to my gut. I don't trust that.




(just refreshed before posting)

Not set on a feel for red yet. It feels more like he's been pulled into the game instead of saying his own piece. I do like that he's sort of at-odds with FFD, and I do like that he's trying to keep people on track, though Scum Red would say that exact same thing.

In summation, not enough content for me to really settle on him, but from what I've seen so far, it doesn't look like he's trying to fly under the radar.
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Oh ok, I get it now. Still seems like a weird statement to put it up first, as I feel like anyone can make a statement such as that and it doesn't seem all that helpful
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That's understandable, but it was the thing that stuck out to me the most so I wanted to get it out there.

What are your thoughts on bokbokbokbok?
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Very little, just reminds me of Boko of old. From my memory he never did much Day 1 and it was during the later days when you can discern his alignment a little more

(Or how people react to him, I guess)
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Who is Boko? Zidane?
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Nanahara715 posted...

Who is Boko? Zidane?

Yep!

Do you think of yourself as an "easy lynch"?
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bng_mmmk posted...

MI I know I remember a game where you were miserably disengaged scum but you didn't want to replace out because of some particular reason and thus petered out and got lynched day 2. For the life of me I can't recall which game that was atm.

And I'm unclear where you stand on Nana about the "that us scum Nana" comment. Are you saying his defensiveness over being called out for his Jeff vote makes him town or scum?

Sorry if I'm not totally with it. Was up literally all night.

Civil War. I was not feeling that game for reasons not worth getting into, yeah. But I think that is more of an exception than the rule.

Voting Jeff is something Nana would've done regardless of alignment.

Nana's reaction to pressure after voting Jeff seems more scum Nana to me. I think Nana is pretty easy to read overall though, so I'm in no rush to press that. His alignment will be obvious, to me at least.
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VeryInsane posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Who is Boko? Zidane?

Yep!

Do you think of yourself as an "easy lynch"?

VeryInsane posted...

Thinking about it, that's a slip

##vote: red

Nana hasn't gotten lynched in a mafia game on board 8 tonmy historian-esque knowledge. If it happened, it was in Forum Mafia. Red hasn't played in Forum Mafia (he was largely against the move)

Ergo, made up tell. If this was for, say, Kanz or KBM I would understand. But Nana? Nah

What you've said here about me never being lynched on b8 is 100% correct. I got dayvigged once as scum, so that's a mark, but I've never been MLd on this board.
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Oh I did that

That game was definitely non canon though
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Han, how do you judge a new player? How much should you expect them to do when they are unfamiliar with the game at large?
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My Immortal posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

MI I know I remember a game where you were miserably disengaged scum but you didn't want to replace out because of some particular reason and thus petered out and got lynched day 2. For the life of me I can't recall which game that was atm.

And I'm unclear where you stand on Nana about the "that us scum Nana" comment. Are you saying his defensiveness over being called out for his Jeff vote makes him town or scum?

Sorry if I'm not totally with it. Was up literally all night.

Civil War. I was not feeling that game for reasons not worth getting into, yeah. But I think that is more of an exception than the rule.

Voting Jeff is something Nana would've done regardless of alignment.

Nana's reaction to pressure after voting Jeff seems more scum Nana to me. I think Nana is pretty easy to read overall though, so I'm in no rush to press that. His alignment will be obvious, to me at least.

Second post you've talked about scum Nana vs town Nana.

Given you have the most experience in this game playing with me, do you want to enlighten everyone on my scum and town tells?
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Like I absolutely get that Jeff can be scum. It's as likely as anyone else. But I don't think we can judge Jeff to the same level as literally everyone else in the game, especially on day 1, so playing off fear on him is just... lazy.
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Nanahara715 posted...

My Immortal posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

MI I know I remember a game where you were miserably disengaged scum but you didn't want to replace out because of some particular reason and thus petered out and got lynched day 2. For the life of me I can't recall which game that was atm.

And I'm unclear where you stand on Nana about the "that us scum Nana" comment. Are you saying his defensiveness over being called out for his Jeff vote makes him town or scum?

Sorry if I'm not totally with it. Was up literally all night.

Civil War. I was not feeling that game for reasons not worth getting into, yeah. But I think that is more of an exception than the rule.

Voting Jeff is something Nana would've done regardless of alignment.

Nana's reaction to pressure after voting Jeff seems more scum Nana to me. I think Nana is pretty easy to read overall though, so I'm in no rush to press that. His alignment will be obvious, to me at least.

Second post you've talked about scum Nana vs town Nana.

Given you have the most experience in this game playing with me, do you want to enlighten everyone on my scum and town tells?

Sure - town Nana is proactive and makes things happen. Scum Nana is reactive and waits for things to happen.

You always have... a bit of an attitude and I know it took me a while to differentiate and not just think you're scum when you get that way. Like last game, as an observer, when you were yelling at Ulti to vote you. Thai attitude, imo, makes people want to Lynch you, although it made me able to tell you were town.

However your attitude with not answering reds questions, attitude but also unhelpful, reads less town to me.
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And I'm not saying attitude as an insult and I hope you don't take it that way. I think you know I do enjoy playing with you!
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My Immortal posted...

Han, how do you judge a new player? How much should you expect them to do when they are unfamiliar with the game at large?

For a new player, it's how much they feel genuine vs. how much they feel like someone who is trying to fit in somewhere they don't.

I fully admit my gut sometimes falters on new players because most new players are playing while trying not to arouse suspicion, but I don't feel like that's the case here.

It feels like JZ is palling along with everybody in a sort of "hey guys! haha! I'm your friend!"
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Hello @Nanahara715, I am Boko

Re: Han and VI #368

I don't disagree at all with what VI said! Although, like I mentioned, I probably shouldn't have been posting last night at all, but couldn't help myself.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

My Immortal posted...

Han, how do you judge a new player? How much should you expect them to do when they are unfamiliar with the game at large?

For a new player, it's how much they feel genuine vs. how much they feel like someone who is trying to fit in somewhere they don't.

I fully admit my gut sometimes falters on new players because most new players are playing while trying not to arouse suspicion, but I don't feel like that's the case here.

It feels like JZ is palling along with everybody in a sort of "hey guys! haha! I'm your friend!"

How well do you know JZ? Because I'm fairly sure that "I'm your friend" is just... him.
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Nanahara715 posted...

VeryInsane posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Who is Boko? Zidane?

Yep!

Do you think of yourself as an "easy lynch"?

VeryInsane posted...

Thinking about it, that's a slip

##vote: red

Nana hasn't gotten lynched in a mafia game on board 8 tonmy historian-esque knowledge. If it happened, it was in Forum Mafia. Red hasn't played in Forum Mafia (he was largely against the move)

Ergo, made up tell. If this was for, say, Kanz or KBM I would understand. But Nana? Nah

What you've said here about me never being lynched on b8 is 100% correct. I got dayvigged once as scum, so that's a mark, but I've never been MLd on this board.

Also, thank you for verifying my statement

Hard to say you're an easy lynch if it doesn't really happen!
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My Immortal posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

My Immortal posted...

Han, how do you judge a new player? How much should you expect them to do when they are unfamiliar with the game at large?

For a new player, it's how much they feel genuine vs. how much they feel like someone who is trying to fit in somewhere they don't.

I fully admit my gut sometimes falters on new players because most new players are playing while trying not to arouse suspicion, but I don't feel like that's the case here.

It feels like JZ is palling along with everybody in a sort of "hey guys! haha! I'm your friend!"

How well do you know JZ? Because I'm fairly sure that "I'm your friend" is just... him.

Well enough to agree with you on that account, but it still feels more like he's trying to fit in as opposed to just being natural.
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VeryInsane posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

VeryInsane posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Who is Boko? Zidane?

Yep!

Do you think of yourself as an "easy lynch"?

VeryInsane posted...

Thinking about it, that's a slip

##vote: red

Nana hasn't gotten lynched in a mafia game on board 8 tonmy historian-esque knowledge. If it happened, it was in Forum Mafia. Red hasn't played in Forum Mafia (he was largely against the move)

Ergo, made up tell. If this was for, say, Kanz or KBM I would understand. But Nana? Nah

What you've said here about me never being lynched on b8 is 100% correct. I got dayvigged once as scum, so that's a mark, but I've never been MLd on this board.

Also, thank you for verifying my statement

Hard to say you're an easy lynch if it doesn't really happen!

Remind me to respond to this after red does
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

My Immortal posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

My Immortal posted...

Han, how do you judge a new player? How much should you expect them to do when they are unfamiliar with the game at large?

For a new player, it's how much they feel genuine vs. how much they feel like someone who is trying to fit in somewhere they don't.

I fully admit my gut sometimes falters on new players because most new players are playing while trying not to arouse suspicion, but I don't feel like that's the case here.

It feels like JZ is palling along with everybody in a sort of "hey guys! haha! I'm your friend!"

How well do you know JZ? Because I'm fairly sure that "I'm your friend" is just... him.

Well enough to agree with you on that account, but it still feels more like he's trying to fit in as opposed to just being natural.

Fair.

I'm not trying to defend JZ here. He's an unknown with a slight town mean in my mind. But in a game with this much mafia skill, anyone trying to go the easy route of lynching the only new player today would just make me sad at the lazy effort.
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I do think JZ would be an excellent scan target.

(Watch him be mafia godfather and me look like shit for saying this)
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Are you implying I'm missing something big
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My Immortal posted...

(Watch him be mafia godfather and me look like shit for saying this)

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Ok actually I think I know what you are implying

But I don't think that really affects anything on my case
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VeryInsane posted...

Are you implying I'm missing something big

I don't think so. I just have a thought but I want to see if red has the same thought first
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Also MI since you are here what do you think of me

Has Leo posted yet btw
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OK, I've read through page 5, and puns is not coming off well at all. I don't like the single mindedness with MI. There isn't anything "modkillable" like red said, but to me it looks like puns trying to make a reason to vote on MI "hey guys look MI ran away and didn't answer my question".

##Vote: puns

Also, I don't like Nana's JZ vote. Literally going for the newbie.

Chris and FFD seem very comfortable. Don't think that means anything, as they probably both would be as either scum or town. Maybe slight town points to FFD as he's out of practice?

Gonna make some coffee and tackle the rest.
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VeryInsane posted...

Also MI since you are here what do you think of me

Has Leo posted yet btw

I have no issues with you yet.

No Leo, no shad, minimal death/boko/Stan stick out in my mind so far
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Oh there's shad. Hi shad.
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VeryInsane posted...

Hard to say you're an easy lynch if it doesn't really happen!

This is not a true statement. Beyond that, my sample size with nana is something like 3 games. And to the best of my knowledge hes basically drawn negative attention early in most of them. Also being an easy lynch is more akin to personality type than anything. The players that usually get lynched early simply aren't pushy. Think like, no offense meant here but, a kbm or a kanz. They aren't going to lead discussions, and even when pressed, you might get a little more fire but to most people it just looks like anger and flailing moreso than anything. Its not that he has been lynched, its that if a few things turned a little differently he easily could have been.

On top of that, on this player list, nana is definitely the one I'd lable as an outsider. Everyone else could be described as a b8er, nana is not.

VeryInsane posted...

Also MI since you are here what do you think of me

Has Leo posted yet btw

Leo has been basically inactive to the best of my recollection all of the recent games I've played with him. Would hope that changes but I'm not holding my breath.

That's basically what I was expecting. Nana's personality leads people to wanting to Lynch him, so even if it doesn't really happen a lot I would still quantify him as an easy lynch. Get one good scum player to go at him hard and it's over.
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