Board 8 > A Feast For Crows Mafia: Topic 6 - Better To Mock The Game Than To Play And Lose

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Han I will fight you
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1 on 1?
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bng_mmmk posted...

I want MI Chris and red to answer this

Gun to your head right now rank VI, death, and dowolf from most likely to least likely scum preferably with some reasons

Dowolf > Death >>> VI

I didn't even have to think on that.

I've found dowolf to be scummy for most of the game. I loved his picture that he started with and thought suspicion on him then was dumb. But I don't buy his argument for why he would never move his vote near EOD when I still believe he was a safe third during that lynch.

I know death overthinks things, but his play this game has felt more like he's trying to act like he's overthinking as opposed to actually overthinking. Plus he seems way to quick to back off a lynch at any sign of resistance, as if he's afraid of looking bad.

VI and I have been in sync most of the game and he doesn't feel like the VI who I won ME2 Mafia with, although I am planning to look at it when reg fixes the archive tonight to see if I'm remembering wrong..
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

VI - if you had to have picked between voting FFD or puns yesterday, which one would you pick?

I am certain this was asked earlier but puns

He was initially my topic 1 page 1 pocket gut, fwiw. More I think about it though, him being cute with his Moon boy claim (did he claim that or Moon man) reminds me a bit of Hearthstone Mafia when he tried to play around with his role Day 1
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dowolf posted...

My Immortal posted...

dowolf posted...

I didn't unvote because I thought Stan was town (that was the answer to the "homework" I assigned MI, that I wasn't voting Jeff because I thought Stan was scum); I did it because lynching a cop claim d1 is too risky.

what

...?

I think this is a pretty straightforward statement.

I don't recall you assigning homework to me
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VeryInsane posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

VI - if you had to have picked between voting FFD or puns yesterday, which one would you pick?

I am certain this was asked earlier but puns

He was initially my topic 1 page 1 pocket gut, fwiw. More I think about it though, him being cute with his Moon boy claim (did he claim that or Moon man) reminds me a bit of Hearthstone Mafia when he tried to play around with his role Day 1

See, I thought he wasn't acting cute enough because I usually ping him comparing him to Hearthstone mafia as well.



Second question - why didn't you pick FFD or puns yesterday?
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Also Shad was on puns and he's just felt so lifeless this game that I've been thinking he's more likely scum than puns is
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

VeryInsane posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

VI - if you had to have picked between voting FFD or puns yesterday, which one would you pick?

I am certain this was asked earlier but puns

He was initially my topic 1 page 1 pocket gut, fwiw. More I think about it though, him being cute with his Moon boy claim (did he claim that or Moon man) reminds me a bit of Hearthstone Mafia when he tried to play around with his role Day 1

See, I thought he wasn't acting cute enough because I usually ping him comparing him to Hearthstone mafia as well.



Second question - why didn't you pick FFD or puns yesterday?

I was on dowolf who was reasonably close until the last few minutes!

Although given how puns stated he would switch to defend and FFD stated he wouldn't, I guess that wasn't happening after all!
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But man I guess I should have figured that out earlier huh
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So the problem is that you kept your hands clean of the FFD vs puns lynch and followed MI onto dowolf, then stayed even when the dowolf lynch had fallen out of favor (which happened plenty early enough).
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

See, I thought he wasn't acting cute enough because I usually ping him comparing him to Hearthstone mafia as well.

......

Ok maybe we should talk about that for a minute because there are some stark differences here

In HS,

A) I was super duper pumped for flavor

B) I was expendable power (by that I mean my job was to die)

C) you and I both pegged Ulti immediately which was a great unifying thing

So yeah I played extremely loose on day 1, claimed a totally different flavor and made up a fake power because i figured drawing a RB or a kill N1 wold suffice in terms of my guarding duties. Also i was abe to make reads based on people's flavor reactions. I can't exactly do any of that here since I know nothing of GoT and am vanilla
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If we both pegged Ulti immediately then you weren't doing your job in helping me get him lynched day 1.
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(I still maintain Harrison Jones works as weaponsmith)
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

If we both pegged Ulti immediately then you weren't doing your job in helping me get him lynched day 1.

What does that matter
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Not that early, like a couple minutes.

Also T-Puns I was thinking more of when you claimed that sex god thing
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VeryInsane posted...

Not that early, like a couple minutes.

Also T-Puns I was thinking more of when you claimed that sex god thing

I know what you meant Im talking to han
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bng_mmmk posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

If we both pegged Ulti immediately then you weren't doing your job in helping me get him lynched day 1.

What does that matter

What matters is that he should've been dead by day end and I was doing my damnedest to make it happen.

This is why people should listen to me tbqh
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VeryInsane posted...

Not that early, like a couple minutes.

Also T-Puns I was thinking more of when you claimed that sex god thing

it was a few minutes before deadline. You appeared to be there but didn't say anything.
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ScareChan posted...

tag

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

If we both pegged Ulti immediately then you weren't doing your job in helping me get him lynched day 1.

What does that matter

What matters is that he should've been dead by day end and I was doing my damnedest to make it happen.

This is why people should listen to me tbqh

Ok but what does it matter now is my point

Like I also use that game to gauge my reads of you somewhat and I left that day 1 thinking we were clicking a lot in terms of style. I died guarding you.

But when I alluded to that day 1 you basically punched me as a response so I now feel like you just took a lot of parts from that game that just resulted from it being a great flavor/role for me and attributed it to my personality and are now misreading me because of it

Of course if you are scum then it's just that simple and this matters a lot less.
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I have a feeling that's going to bother the hell out of me post game isn't it.

But yeah, I became a coward. I admit it.
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the second 'day 1' in that post refers to day 1 of this game
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Man where is @Leo3L when you need him

He was always the best at reading me
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I feel like I'm being ignored.

I got your back VI.
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VeryInsane posted...

Man where is @Leo3L when you need him

He was always the best at reading me

Leo? The guy who actually took his vote off of dowolf and voted for one of FFD and puns?
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My Immortal posted...

I feel like I'm being ignored.

I got your back VI.

Did you ever respond to me?
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I suppose it is interesting that now people are choosing to question me
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I kind of agree because I'm just now really looking at the lynch in detail and if nobody else has really been saying much about you it means other people haven't been examining it either.
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So do you still think puns is scum then
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I am voting one and have called the other town, puns!

But for fun's sake:

vi > dowolf > death
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I don't doubt my gut.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

My Immortal posted...

I feel like I'm being ignored.

I got your back VI.

Did you ever respond to me?

About what I didn't like about you today? Yes
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Okay, catching up on the last topic as best I can right now.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I don't doubt my gut.

And yet, your line of questioning towards me, at least from how I see it, implies otherwise
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Ok you know what

##Unvote
##Vote: VI

CLAIM TIME OR PAIN TIME

Shad's still scummy but we're getting nowhere right now. There be a pot that needs stirrin
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The Best Part of Waking Up, Is Votals In Your Cup!
[4] VI: Nana, Chris, dowolf, Puns
[2] death: VI, Han
[1] Shad: (Puns), Leo
[1] Puns: (Chris), Shad
[1] dowolf: (KBM), (MI), (Death), Boko
[0] Jeff: (dowolf)
[0] Nana: (MI)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends at 9 PM tonight (roughly 8.5 hours from now).

Yes I realize it is the afternoon and everyone has been up for hours. Hush.
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I am Arya Stark.

Not getting anything else right now.
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VeryInsane posted...

I am Arya Stark.

Not getting anything else right now.

Wow a flavor claim let me just stop everything.
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I mean, I know it isn't gonna satiate you but I honestly don't care either, really.
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Goddammit I just typed up this whole post and then I reflexively pressed F5 and it's gone. Should have typed it up in Notepad like I usually do.

Anyway, the gist was that I don't see the argument on VI and I think dowolf is being quite opportunistic in leaping to the VI train. A leap which seems to at least in part be predicated on the idea that a scum VI is lying about a literal hit and run to make himself look better in a mafia game. That's not something y'all should be factoring in here. I've been accused of doing this kind of thing before - every single time as town - so I'm not feeling good about this lynch and I'm feeling the worst about dowolf's opportunistic vote.

Meanwhile I still don't like Death and he, too, seems a reasonable alternative to the random VI train.

And I know Chris is going to yell at me for calling the VI train random, but I'm not talking about Chris' vote, which actually makes a certain amount of sense (even though he also goes on to call a hit and run convenient); I more just don't buy dowolf jumping to it at all. In his vote post he says

dowolf posted...

Thinking on things overnight, I really want to go after Death or VI, where the question is mostly, do I want to go after the person who either bowed really quickly under pressure or showed critical thinking? Or do I want to go after the guy who double down on aggression?

But then we go back to how things were last night, where I pointed out how VI was basically inactive for the last half-hour before lynch. If I am right regarding it being a town/town/town lynch at the end there -- and, quite frankly, I am willing to bet the house that it was -- what will scum want to do? Well, they will want to stay quiet and make sure it's town that winds up looking bad for pushing the death of whoever flips town. Shit adds up.

This feels to me like "well, of the two lynches that look the most likely to me right now, one of them is an easy target because Chris will scream at anybody who doesn't vote him (editor's note: the idea that Chris' play has changed at all is just funny to me now) and the other one is my scumbuddy so I'll turn this on VI".

I just really don't like it, it feels really disingenuous, and it ties into my feelings on his random swap to Nana at the end of Day 1.

Then the other two people are Nana, who's clearly flailing for any sort of read whatsoever so my scum read has DEFINITELY lessened - and Puns who .... uhh isn't the most trustworthy person either right now.

(I said "this is the gist" but I almost got to the length of the previous post anyway wooo)

My Immortal posted...

dowolf posted...

My Immortal posted...

dowolf posted...

I didn't unvote because I thought Stan was town (that was the answer to the "homework" I assigned MI, that I wasn't voting Jeff because I thought Stan was scum); I did it because lynching a cop claim d1 is too risky.

what

...?

I think this is a pretty straightforward statement.

I don't recall you assigning homework to me

but

but

but

I said it was an assignment left to the reader.

I said literally those words.

I don't have time to find them, but they are a thing that I said to you regarding exactly that!

also yeah flavor's not nearly enough for me tbqh.

In other news, Harrison Jones blows up weapons. He is literally as anti-weaponsmith as you can get.
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##Vote: Death

Not only does Death feel like a better choice to lynch right now, to me, but I also trust VI and Han more than I do the people on VI's lynch, so we have that.

You don't think my play has changed a lot? <_<
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Not especially! Although maybe I'm focusing too much on your really rude paragraph about me. I don't think I have even BEEN scum in a game with you more than once, so you're either mistaken or lying to make yourself look better when you're throwing all those insults my way.

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Goddammit I just typed up this whole post and then I reflexively pressed F5 and it's gone. Should have typed it up in Notepad like I usually do.

Anyway, the gist was that I don't see the argument on VI and I think dowolf is being quite opportunistic in leaping to the VI train. A leap which seems to at least in part be predicated on the idea that a scum VI is lying about a literal hit and run to make himself look better in a mafia game. That's not something y'all should be factoring in here. I've been accused of doing this kind of thing before - every single time as town - so I'm not feeling good about this lynch and I'm feeling the worst about dowolf's opportunistic vote.

Meanwhile I still don't like Death and he, too, seems a reasonable alternative to the random VI train.

And I know Chris is going to yell at me for calling the VI train random, but I'm not talking about Chris' vote, which actually makes a certain amount of sense (even though he also goes on to call a hit and run convenient); I more just don't buy dowolf jumping to it at all. In his vote post he says

dowolf posted...

Thinking on things overnight, I really want to go after Death or VI, where the question is mostly, do I want to go after the person who either bowed really quickly under pressure or showed critical thinking? Or do I want to go after the guy who double down on aggression?

But then we go back to how things were last night, where I pointed out how VI was basically inactive for the last half-hour before lynch. If I am right regarding it being a town/town/town lynch at the end there -- and, quite frankly, I am willing to bet the house that it was -- what will scum want to do? Well, they will want to stay quiet and make sure it's town that winds up looking bad for pushing the death of whoever flips town. Shit adds up.

This feels to me like "well, of the two lynches that look the most likely to me right now, one of them is an easy target because Chris will scream at anybody who doesn't vote him (editor's note: the idea that Chris' play has changed at all is just funny to me now) and the other one is my scumbuddy so I'll turn this on VI".

I just really don't like it, it feels really disingenuous, and it ties into my feelings on his random swap to Nana at the end of Day 1.

Then the other two people are Nana, who's clearly flailing for any sort of read whatsoever so my scum read has DEFINITELY lessened - and Puns who .... uhh isn't the most trustworthy person either right now.

(I said "this is the gist" but I almost got to the length of the previous post anyway wooo)

https://media.tenor.com/images/e55db03f5230e83debb9a2ba428a1b0e/tenor.gif

(The one thing I will correct - I don't think Chris is denying that the hit and run happened, but VI saying "Oh I must have misremembered something because of the hit and run" sounds like a bad excuse)
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Not especially! Although maybe I'm focusing too much on your really rude paragraph about me. I don't think I have even BEEN scum in a game with you more than once, so you're either mistaken or lying to make yourself look better when you're throwing all those insults my way.

... Where was I rude to you at all.
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I mean I wasn't going to quote it but

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also I am pretty sure I could spot a scum KBM in about three seconds flat and brutally murder her. KBM has always been one of those players that just draws negative attention because how she plays the game. She doesn't know how to protect herself and she is really high strung about critique, which is fine I personally go into a murderous rage over 'mercs' once every few years so I don't have many stones left to throw, but it does make her a soft target for suspicion. I think I was on a scum team with her one time and I just kind of abused my ability to read her and it got people really annoyed with me. Man, I love doing stuff like that. Like for example if me and red are scumbuddies you're all screwed. We're not, but if we were... screwed.

Anyway so KBM is pretty transparent to me most of the time, with only one game that fooled me at all so I'll be taking that to the bank.

Maybe not so much "rude" as "wantonly incorrect", that's a better choice of words.

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Then the other two people are Nana, who's clearly flailing for any sort of read whatsoever so my scum read has DEFINITELY lessened

am I reading this wrong? Nana is flailing for a read so you read him as more town?
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I don't want to dwell on this though because I'm not upset about it or anything and talking about myself isn't particularly helpful or relevant at the moment.

Hm, I've been thinking on and off about whether I should flip my vote to Shad.

He just hasn't done anything this game other than poke at puns a little bit.
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