Board 8 > A Feast For Crows Mafia: Topic 6 - Better To Mock The Game Than To Play And Lose

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My Immortal posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Then the other two people are Nana, who's clearly flailing for any sort of read whatsoever so my scum read has DEFINITELY lessened

am I reading this wrong? Nana is flailing for a read so you read him as more town?

He's flailing in the sense that it's very clear he doesn't have any idea who is what. I'm definitely getting more of a clueless townie vibe from him anymore than anything else.

Most of the argument about me, from what I can tell, isn't about that incident at all btw, KBM. It's about my vote at end of day being on dowolf instead of puns/FFD
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Are you saying I don't know your town game? I was calling you town because I feel like you're easy to read because you wear your heart on your sleeve.

Are...you scum?
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VeryInsane posted...

Most of the argument about me, from what I can tell, isn't about that incident at all btw, KBM. It's about my vote at end of day being on dowolf instead of puns/FFD

I've thought you have been off for awhile and said so, and I am stirring the drink there.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Are you saying I don't know your town game? I was calling you town because I feel like you're easy to read because you wear your heart on your sleeve.

Are...you scum?

I'm just saying that for you to say "she's only fooled me once" is really disingenuous when there's literally only been one game that I was in where I was scum and you weren't. That stuck out to me.

Like, you're literally Chris, I feel like with your encyclopedic memory you should know that was a "one time out of one" deal.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

VeryInsane posted...

Most of the argument about me, from what I can tell, isn't about that incident at all btw, KBM. It's about my vote at end of day being on dowolf instead of puns/FFD

I've thought you have been off for awhile and said so, and I am stirring the drink there.

Well I meant more from how dowolf and han have been prodding me about it. I think Shad did too actually.

I know you have been saying I have been feeling off, but it might just be more I haven't had a desktop sit down all game.

I wish I could talk more to Nana but he doesn't seem that willing to engage with me
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

My Immortal posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Then the other two people are Nana, who's clearly flailing for any sort of read whatsoever so my scum read has DEFINITELY lessened

am I reading this wrong? Nana is flailing for a read so you read him as more town?

He's flailing in the sense that it's very clear he doesn't have any idea who is what. I'm definitely getting more of a clueless townie vibe from him anymore than anything else.

Got it. I read flailing as more trying to find justification to lynch anyone, but I understand what you're saying.
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VeryInsane posted...

Most of the argument about me, from what I can tell, isn't about that incident at all btw, KBM. It's about my vote at end of day being on dowolf instead of puns/FFD

As far as this goes, I'm talking specifically about Dowolf's vote, and Chris and MI's comments immediately after you brought it up at the beginning of this topic. It doesn't sit right with me.

VeryInsane posted...

Most of the argument about me, from what I can tell, isn't about that incident at all btw, KBM. It's about my vote at end of day being on dowolf instead of puns/FFD

Which is dumb!
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The argument, not you being on dowolf.
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I mean last game I literally just voted Chris instead of red/MZero day 1 and that was just a solo statement vote protesting the red train
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Yeah I don't see a problem with that; I think that part of the argument is kind of silly.

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Like, you're literally Chris, I feel like with your encyclopedic memory you should know that was a "one time out of one" deal.

Really? You were never scum in a game I was town other than the game where I was Kratos, God of War?

Also I admit playing in several other communities over the years has dulled my memory a bit, or rather I only have so much memory space. I remembered a long string of games where I cleared you as town though. I hope that happened.

Also this is the type of conversation scum don't have with me, so you're still town. Good looking out, KBM <_<
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Like, you're literally Chris, I feel like with your encyclopedic memory you should know that was a "one time out of one" deal.

Really? You were never scum in a game I was town other than the game where I was Kratos, God of War?

Also I admit playing in several other communities over the years has dulled my memory a bit, or rather I only have so much memory space. I remembered a long string of games where I cleared you as town though. I hope that happened.

Also this is the type of conversation scum don't have with me, so you're still town. Good looking out, KBM <_<

KBM was actually town in All Stars, just looked it up
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

VeryInsane posted...

Most of the argument about me, from what I can tell, isn't about that incident at all btw, KBM. It's about my vote at end of day being on dowolf instead of puns/FFD

As far as this goes, I'm talking specifically about Dowolf's vote, and Chris and MI's comments immediately after you brought it up at the beginning of this topic. It doesn't sit right with me.

I caught him in a contradiction and he immediately cited the accident. Look I am a bastard, I admit it, but him bringing it up right when I score a blow to his argument is, in fact, convenient. The accident itself isn't.
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VeryInsane posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Like, you're literally Chris, I feel like with your encyclopedic memory you should know that was a "one time out of one" deal.

Really? You were never scum in a game I was town other than the game where I was Kratos, God of War?

Also I admit playing in several other communities over the years has dulled my memory a bit, or rather I only have so much memory space. I remembered a long string of games where I cleared you as town though. I hope that happened.

Also this is the type of conversation scum don't have with me, so you're still town. Good looking out, KBM <_<

KBM was actually town in All Stars, just looked it up

... Then what the fuck am I remembering.
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Hm hm hm.

I know I was scum buddies in a game and protected KBM and we did a clean sweep. I KNOW that happened.

Maybe it was reversed and I had a bad read on KBM in all stars. Maybe?
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[LD4] KBM - Snake, TOWN Hider.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also I admit playing in several other communities over the years has dulled my memory a bit, or rather I only have so much memory space. I remembered a long string of games where I cleared you as town though. I hope that happened.

Okay fair enough, you weren't saying what I thought you were saying then, I guess. And yeah, I am almost positive on this; I can only remember having had to deal with the stress of you being part of a town while I was scum once.

That said I also might have forgotten a couple games where you, like, got killed on the first night or something so you weren't a factor. I just don't remember really having to deal with you in many of my scum games. (And there was a very, very long string of town games there that we were both in as well, which we both definitely remember correctly.)

More on the subject of this game, though: I do still feel like you shifting the conversation to VI is strange. I'm not entirely tracking your logic, which is usually pretty easy to understand when you're town, so that has me cautious. There are many people whose lynches I would be okay with today but the logic on VI isn't really sticking for me and is bringing some really questionable people out of the woodwork to join you.

Sigh, I remember the days where my memory was so crisp people believed me when I said I kept a file on everyone. I am getting old.

Amendment: no way in hell does a scum anyone correct me on that. KBM's still town.

Thanks for the index correction KBM, I will update my mental records.
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(This ALL comes with the footnote that my memory is probably one of the worst of the players in this game so if I'm mis-citing something I apologize - but yeah somehow or another I think I would remember having to fool Chris more than once.)

I honestly think questionable people coming out of the woodwork may in fact, actually be a good thing.

It makes it easier to just line them up IMO.
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VeryInsane posted...

I honestly think questionable people coming out of the woodwork may in fact, actually be a good thing.

It makes it easier to just line them up IMO.

This is true!

Oh well that sounds like an important character

Uh hm.
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More on the subject of this game, though: I do still feel like you shifting the conversation to VI is strange. I'm not entirely tracking your logic, which is usually pretty easy to understand when you're town, so that has me cautious. There are many people whose lynches I would be okay with today but the logic on VI isn't really sticking for me and is bringing some really questionable people out of the woodwork to join you.

It's probably not helped that today I have been posting from work and am a bit side tracked for time.

Basically this all begin day 1 where I felt like VI was a lot different than in the last game I was in, where VI was awesome town in my view. I questioned this day one and VI admitted he wasn't feeling the same mojo and because I haven't (or it has been a long time) since I've seen a scum VI I gave him some space as I didn't exactly have a good history of reads on VI, with a lack of experience being the cause.

So today I feel like VI hasn't made an impact either, comparing him to someone like a Shad for instance is weird for me when I consider VI to be a very strong and effective.

I feel like he has tried to shift the day today, as well, to people I think are town in death and red. You obviously disagree on death, but his red logic was completely inaccurate, which worries me further.
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VI how do you feel about your play this game?
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Sorry, VI, I don't think you're scum but I don't think I can out argue all these people from Vegas. I have to win 8 grand prix trials so I get 16 byes for the 15 round main tournament!

I would like a definitive response as to why nobody wants to lynch Shad. His votes have been very "fire and forget" like he's just going through the motions and doesn't really feel his targets are scum because y'know.

So I did miss some really towny interaction from him or what?
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FWIW, red isn't in my top scum reads atm. Just a little cautious nobody really seems to be talking about him, the same way you are with people buying Leo's role (Who honestly hasn't done anything, and is known to have a ridiculous amount of creativity with fakeclaims)

I think my second is Shad, and my third is dowolf.

I gave a list earlier too for the town/town FFD/Puns lynch

VeryInsane posted...

If Town/Town I think the scum team scenario ends up looking like this IMO

dowolf
Shad
Nana
Death
5th secret power player

Hm.

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Any questions for FFD before I take off again?
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And as soon as I say he hasn't done anything he posts ahead of me. >_>
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Leo3L posted...

Any questions for FFD before I take off again?

Who would he vote if he were alive?
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also re: shad he wants to stab puns which I appreciate and I think he believes that read, so I disagree with leo saying shad has lacked conviction about that one.
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bng_mmmk posted...

VI how do you feel about your play this game?

I don't think it's been that terrible. Like, I've made a couple mistakes that I am not proud of, but hey that's what being human is all about I guess. I don't think there's such a thing as a perfect town player.

Like it's tough to say because there's been no scum flips so I don't necessarily know if my suspicions are actually correct or not.
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VeryInsane posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

VI how do you feel about your play this game?

I don't think it's been that terrible. Like, I've made a couple mistakes that I am not proud of, but hey that's what being human is all about I guess. I don't think there's such a thing as a perfect town player.

Like it's tough to say because there's been no scum flips so I don't necessarily know if my suspicions are actually correct or not.

You did read Predator Mafia, right?
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:P
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So apart from me Chris, is there anybody else you want to stab with the pointy end?
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VeryInsane posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

VeryInsane posted...

Most of the argument about me, from what I can tell, isn't about that incident at all btw, KBM. It's about my vote at end of day being on dowolf instead of puns/FFD

I've thought you have been off for awhile and said so, and I am stirring the drink there.

Well I meant more from how dowolf and han have been prodding me about it. I think Shad did too actually.

I know you have been saying I have been feeling off, but it might just be more I haven't had a desktop sit down all game.

I wish I could talk more to Nana but he doesn't seem that willing to engage with me

What does this even mean?
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Also, did you ever claim flavor for your vig claim?

MI said you hinted Roose opening post but I read another that suggested Littlefinger/Olenna
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I just realized Han never explained what he meant when he called me "Anakin from Episode 2."

Nanahara715 posted...

VeryInsane posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

VeryInsane posted...

Most of the argument about me, from what I can tell, isn't about that incident at all btw, KBM. It's about my vote at end of day being on dowolf instead of puns/FFD

I've thought you have been off for awhile and said so, and I am stirring the drink there.

Well I meant more from how dowolf and han have been prodding me about it. I think Shad did too actually.

I know you have been saying I have been feeling off, but it might just be more I haven't had a desktop sit down all game.

I wish I could talk more to Nana but he doesn't seem that willing to engage with me

What does this even mean?

Well, you voted me, I called it just how my playstyle is, super reactive and proddy, and you didn't really respond to it afterwards or try to drag any suspicion towards me.

In fact, until you brought up that wall of suspects you didn't even really mention me. Just kinda floated your vote, reminded me a bit of yesterday with your vote on Chris.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

I just realized Han never explained what he meant when he called me "Anakin from Episode 2."

I think it just meant bad acting
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VeryInsane posted...

Also, did you ever claim flavor for your vig claim?

MI said you hinted Roose opening post but I read another that suggested Littlefinger/Olenna

What.

I am Jaime Lannister.
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Also VI I gave my list of suspects in a big post, maybe you should go find it!

(still puns/others depend a bit more on puns alignment)
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

VeryInsane posted...

Also, did you ever claim flavor for your vig claim?

MI said you hinted Roose opening post but I read another that suggested Littlefinger/Olenna

What.

I am Jaime Lannister.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

FFDragon posted...

i want to murder every one of you that are playing this game not knowing the flavor

EFF WHY EYE

Let me help.

Ned Stark gets his head chopped off
Renly is killed by a shadow demon baby
Robb Stark is stabbed to death
Catelyn Stark dies at the same wedding as Robb does.
Robert is murdered
His son, Joffrey, isn't really his son and btw i killed by poison.
Jon isn't actually Ned's son.
Tyrion kills Tywin with a crossbow.

Does that relieve the pressure a bit, FFD?

...Maybe I read into that way too much
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Hm?

*reads*

Oh.

is*
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also VI I gave my list of suspects in a big post, maybe you should go find it!

(still puns/others depend a bit more on puns alignment)

I did in fact, look at it. Not a crystal clear picture but yeah
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Yeah, not crystal clear for a reason. You did see my post about two chess boards right?
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I did!

I think the game makes slightly more sense in my head as town/town just from how the players reacted towards puns

but if it's town/scum, then I think it's more interesting and there's probably a lot less about the game than I know. It implies a heavy push towards FFD. And yet, quite a few players on FFD (KBM, Jeff Zero) are considered town by the game. I think that's a little peculiar. In fact, I think you have gone to state you think they are all town except for the last two (turbopuns and Leo)

Gonna go drive for a bit, be back in a few hours.
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VeryInsane posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

I just realized Han never explained what he meant when he called me "Anakin from Episode 2."

I think it just meant bad acting

VeryInsane posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I don't doubt my gut.

And yet, your line of questioning towards me, at least from how I see it, implies otherwise

Can you actually explain this further? I don't think that you have to be Town if puns is Scum.
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