Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Lightning/Morrigan/ Dizzy/Poison/Ansem v Kefka/Shlk/ Sorey/Flynn v Kuja

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Meltdown has the unfortunate side effect of hitting her own party as well as the enemy, that seems like a bad plan (and something she'd never ever do in character)
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Wanglicious posted...

seeing how humans can fuck and have children with gears, "not robot enough" seems reasonable.

Obligatory reminder that "good guy" Ky Kiske fucked and impregnated a 5-year-old
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trdl23 posted...

Wanglicious posted...

seeing how humans can fuck and have children with gears, "not robot enough" seems reasonable.

Obligatory reminder that "good guy" Ky Kiske fucked and impregnated a 5-year-old

And everybody celebrated it too

You could make that a punchline to a version of The Aristocrats and it'd work just fine tbqh
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Frankly I don't see why the "he wouldn't mage duel Terra" thing matters because as I said, while mostly talking about Morrigan, it's a cosplay. Kefka's not so stupid to mistake Lightning for the real Terra here. He'll attack her on principle to start but he's not going to make any assumptions about her capabilities, particularly when she's not fighting at all like Terra.
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well of course she doesn't solo the guy, that's not being the issue. the issue lies more that if he sees her, or even someone who looks a lot like her, he's totally going to focus on that person. knowing that she's in esper form and his twisted personality with her already, he's probably not going to opt for magic since he'd rather stab her than sling spells against her. it's better for combat, "feels" better for him, and lets him break his old toy again.

kefka melees a lot more than he should is his biggest issue really. there's no reason he should be doing that but he seems to like operating at a close to mid-range level of combat a lot.
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Revote for Team Kefka btw

Overall I still don't think Morrigan contributes all that much. The debuffs are of questionable use (as a rogue you can get pretty decent crit chance to the point where you can still hit a decent amount of time with that debuff on you-- also keep in mind Shulk's defensive options would still be fine and that I'd put Shulk's natural aim likely well above your Dragon Age Rogue) and of a limited 20s duration. Buffs are better, but again, 20s and she's going to die fairly quickly so reapplying is unlikely-- Flynn's Luster Candy is overall probably better, which Morrigan could dispel if the action was a bit less in her face. The cold stuff is more annoyance than tide turning.

Half the problem here is that Morrigan doesn't have her character upgrade. Her spell selection isn't actually very good here. 4th spell adds a lot. Death Hex would be awesome here, and Chain Lightning would give her strong offense that's viable in this scenario (despite the 2s cast time) that wouldn't hit her allies.
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lightning with buffs
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Yeah, I think I'm going with Lightning strikes 50 times.

Dizzy is very good but she's not the carry here - Lightning is. She's way better than Shulk or Flynn or Sorey (it pains me so much to say that last thing). This match is close but the fact I don't think anybody can really beat her is important - mega timeslow is a very strong counter to Shulk, you can't react to a six different threats all coming basically at the same time. Close match tho - and I still wonder if Kuja isn't turbonerfed by Shulk. I'll have to do my own research there.
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Kefka
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I don't buy Shulk's shenanigans cancelling Trance even a bit.
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If we're talking about mage battles, I'm not sure why Flynn's getting 100% ignored. Great Logos being strong, almighty element AoE would pretty much insta-wipe Poison and be a huge pain for everyone else given it can't be resisted. He's already got a lot of credentials of fighting enemies who should be significantly stronger than him, like Lucifer and Merkabah, who in cutscenes will actually laugh at the efforts of an army of human demon hunters attacking them and vaporize them with a wave of their hand. Either way, he has ridiculous damage output if he uses Spiritual Focus (triples the power of his next attack spell) and then Great Logos and a full-party full-heal with Salvation. He's liable to get some of those off to really influence the fight, especially since the ability to do so gels well with Shulk's visions and protective buffs like Monado Speed, Shield, or Armor if he's in danger of death. Lightning can't do nearly as much to protect her team or go full on GameFAQs ideal scenario as Shulk does, and Morrigan doesn't swing the fight nearly as hard as Flynn can.

Team Shulk.
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If we're talking about mage battles, Ansem isn't a slouch, either. The dude has AoE spells for days and is obnoxiously tanky in-game. Everything he casts is pretty much instant-cast, including his dark rush, his forcefield/push that completely covers his body, and the variety of AoE spells that cover a fairly large area. He'll certainly be able to contribute by spamming spells as able.
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Lopen posted...

Ansem is mostly a tank and disruption, but his team kinda needs offense here, particularly because even under the command of Poison, Dizzy is kinda conditional-- like, this fight gets brutal in a hurry. How much time does Poison have to give an order-- does she phrase something in the form of "help me, Dizzy!!" when things are immediately going down? What's the right way to do it to get Dizzy to attack in a way that's best for her team?

I don't really think Dizzy is that conditional under Poison's command. Poison's main purpose is to ensure that Dizzy starts attacking immediately when the fight begins. Once things get brutal and Poison is out of the picture, Dizzy's passive will have been turned off by then. That's just what I think! I think that Kuja might be the first to aggro Dizzy, but I think Dizzy will still begin attacking immediately regardless.

Morrigan, I think, is also tremendously useful in helping to ensure Kuja can't just steamroll her team. I think that the anti-magic ward is being undervalued, considering the casters that Lightning's team is up against. Beyond that, vulnerability hex is also pretty useful for Ansem to deal more damage. Like you mentioned, he's not an insane offensive weapon, but the dude never stops living so he'll be able to continue casting and the debuff can help him push through more damage.
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Anyway yeah Lightning is the best merc here, Kuja is more likely to hurt Shulks team so yeah
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Kuja definitely goes for Kefka first I'd think.
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I agree; Kuja and Kefka are both super-mages and with egos the size of islands. But Kuja's definitely a fan of collateral damage, so I don't think Team Lightning is going to be able to get off lightly.
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Corrik posted...

Kuja definitely goes for Kefka first I'd think.

I think so yeah, Kefkas team will be taking more aggro more often from Kuja
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trdl23 posted...

I agree; Kuja and Kefka are both super-mages and with egos the size of islands. But Kuja's definitely a fan of collateral damage, so I don't think Team Lightning is going to be able to get off lightly.

I agree that they both will take hate, but I think that Lightning's team will be able to mitigate it more with Morrigan's anti-magic, Lightning's curaga, and Dizzy losing the passive almost assuredly and that Kefka's team will probably take it a bit more for the reasons you guys talk about. Unless Ansem somehow draws high level flying mage respect, for some reason.
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Flynn has AOE healz, Shulk has AOE damage nullification, Sorey's Seraphim have healz as well can't forget that. 3 > 2

No reason Kefka has to exactly hone in on a single target when he has plenty of multi targeting abilities as well.
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Team Shulk

shulk is cool
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Team Shulk

I think Salvation swings it for me. A full party full heal is amazing, and Flynn is good enough where he's not going to die right away. When you have Kuja indiscriminately attacking both teams, the one with healing is in a better spot. Poison and Morrigan are pretty squishy and are likely the first two to go down, which will open up Flynn to just play support. And like I said before, a guy being able to focus on healing with Salvation is just too much to overcome.
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Yeah, I think Flynn clinches it.

Shulk
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