Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 413: Brock's Got Big Balls! Joe's Got Big Balls!

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didn't he die of cancer though?
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Plot twist not only is he drug free he is disease immune
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-FFDragon- posted...

didn't he die of cancer though?

I know this is horrible, but I laughed at this mix-up. I'm admitting because that is the first step in fixing a problem.
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I don't even really see the point of canceling Talking Smack

Like, how much money could that show realistically take to produce?
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You wanna fire Renee, you start by eliminating everything that she does.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

You wanna fire Renee, you start by eliminating everything that she does.

Like Dean?!
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Well it's tough to dick your girl when you're getting a RAW deal and she's Smackdown exclusive.
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Renee Young and Daniel Bryan learned about it on Twitter from people Tweeting their condolences.

https://twitter.com/ReneeYoungWWE/status/885964438737743872

She is not thrilled.

But I'm with Jakyl. I don't understand why you'd get rid of cheap programming that only makes your product more interesting. The worst thing they did was put 205 Live after Smackdown and making it so if you want to watch Talking Smack, you need to wait an hour.

Like, it just makes no sense to me. In two days you have 6 hours of wrestling with Raw, Smackdown, and Talking Smack. With 205 Live that's 7 hours. With a PPV, you're looking at up to 11 hours in three days. That's ridiculous. Why not just put 205 Live on Thursday? It makes no sense to me.

And I always thought Talking Smack was very much underutilized as a plot-strengthening show. You have people talk, but unless it was the Miz situation or people being attacked, they didn't acknowledge the show at all. Why not, after Baron Corbin talks some shit, have Sami Zayn come out on Smackdown the next week and go "Hey, what the hell guy? I heard you were saying x on Talking Smack. I have a problem with that." Or have matches set up on there. Or have guys actually be challenging one another on the show? Or hell, do anything to further a plot on there that wasn't just guy randomly beats up another guy.

I dunno, it doesn't make much sense to me. It had a following. It was fun. It couldn't have been expensive. Seems like it would've been better to keep it to keep bragging about your original WWE Network content.
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205 Taped
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Yeah they should have used Talking Smack as the filler for the gaps in their feuds where they say their "THIS GUY SAID THIS ON TWITTER LOL" garbage
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205 Live needed to be on before Smackdown.
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I think it should have been taped before SD and aired at 10:30 after Talking Smack
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But then you would just read about the Brian Kendrick losing instead of watching
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Why does 205 Live need to be on Tuesday though? And you can't say the name, because it really doesn't matter at all if it's live or not and WWE has no shame in people going "Calls the show 205 Live, but it's not live LOL" after they named one of their PPVs Great Balls of Fire.
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Well, Max Landis made a petition to bring back Talking Smack.

https://t.co/9AZbE5dRNF

Why not?
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Why does 205 Live need to be on Tuesday though? And you can't say the name, because it really doesn't matter at all if it's live or not and WWE has no shame in people going "Calls the show 205 Live, but it's not live LOL" after they named one of their PPVs Great Balls of Fire.

205 Live would die a horrible death if it wasn't live directly after Smackdown. Like, the argument for it being BEFORE Smackdown is good, or even being taped before and then aired at 10:30 could probably work. But it not being around Smackdown in some capability would kill it, because nobody's going to turn on the Network to watch it if they can just read the results online. People barely do as it is, so give them an even bigger excuse not to, and...
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What if you paired it with NXT like the CWC was?
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Jakyl25 posted...

What if you paired it with NXT like the CWC was?

That could potentially work, but I think the further you get away from when it was taped, the more likely people just don't watch it.
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Which is sad because 205 Live is pretty good.
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I know I probably don't speak for the typical WWE Network viewer but I would probably watch 205 live a lot more if it was on Wednesday or Thursday. After a 2 hour wrestling show I don't really want to watch anymore wrestling-- that's the big reason I don't watch 205 Live much at all.

Course I won't have WWE Network in 2 weeks and am not paying for it now so what does my opinion matter.
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205 live is basically an artificial way to make 3 hour Smackdown, followed by Talking Smack.
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Lopen posted...

I know I probably don't speak for the typical WWE Network viewer but I would probably watch 205 live a lot more if it was on Wednesday or Thursday. After a 2 hour wrestling show I don't really want to watch anymore wrestling-- that's the big reason I don't watch 205 Live much at all.

Course I won't have WWE Network in 2 weeks and am not paying for it now so what does my opinion matter.

I'm with you.' I'd be far more
Likely to watch it on a different day
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I think people like us would be more likely, yeah, since we get burnt out on WWE TV pretty easily

But the average network subscriber that they're targeting likely isn't going to watch it without the "Watch 205 Live immediately after this!" thing going on.
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I feel like you'd have a better case if Smackdown was actually on the network. There's effort put into watching it no matter what day it's on. It's not "just keep watching!' no matter what the day
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Lopen posted...

I feel like you'd have a better case if Smackdown was actually on the network. There's effort put into watching it no matter what day it's on. It's not "just keep watching!' no matter what the day

Well, that very argument also defeats the argument for Talking Smack, then. >_>

The point is that Smackdown reminds them. If you have nothing reminding them, they're less likely to even remember, much less care.
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StealThisSheen posted...

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Why does 205 Live need to be on Tuesday though? And you can't say the name, because it really doesn't matter at all if it's live or not and WWE has no shame in people going "Calls the show 205 Live, but it's not live LOL" after they named one of their PPVs Great Balls of Fire.

205 Live would die a horrible death if it wasn't live directly after Smackdown. Like, the argument for it being BEFORE Smackdown is good, or even being taped before and then aired at 10:30 could probably work. But it not being around Smackdown in some capability would kill it, because nobody's going to turn on the Network to watch it if they can just read the results online. People barely do as it is, so give them an even bigger excuse not to, and...

I argue that expecting people to watch even more wrestling in a 2/3 day period is absolute insanity and that while it may be slightly better before Smackdown, I don't think it makes much of a difference.

I'm with Lopen in that I'd much rather watch it on another day, possibly Wednesday with NXT. But even then, ugh. More wresting in a short period. People forget all about 205 Live because they build up for those shows on Raw and then they need to wait all the way until after Smackdown to get a follow up.

205 Live is a niche show for die hards. You're only going to seek it out if you want more wrestling in your life. The only way it starts to hook casuals is if they stop treating the Cruiserweight Division as a piss break and a failure on Raw. But that means it doesn't matter when it is.
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I'd honestly rather have six hours of wrestling in two days than to add yet another day of wrestling. Those days in between are a nice cool down period.
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Well Talking Smack is a natural transition from Smackdown, and not "a wrestling show" in the traditional sense.

Like I wouldn't ever wanna watch WWE Superstars immediately after Smackdown, but I'd be just as likely to watch say Total Divas as I would be at any given time.

Anyway this is just anecdote-- I just think there's a lot more potential benefit to having Talking Smack after SD than 205 Live, which is arguably hurt by it.
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Lopen posted...

Well Talking Smack is a natural transition from Smackdown, and not "a wrestling show" in the traditional sense.

Like I wouldn't ever wanna watch WWE Superstars immediately after Smackdown, but I'd be just as likely to watch say Total Divas as I would be at any given time.

Anyway this is just anecdote-- I just think there's a lot more potential benefit to having Talking Smack after SD than 205 Live, which is arguably hurt by it.

Oh, right. I'm just saying that your "Well, they have to turn on the Network which is effort" argument against 205 also is an argument against Talking Smack.
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Sure. I mean, I didn't always watch Talking Smack either cause it's still effort.

But I watched it more often when it was after SD than I ever watched 205 Live after SD, or Talking Smack after 205 Live. Like a good Smackdown would motivate me to watch Talking Smack cause I'd be hype from the show. It's a neutral to watching 205 Live as the shows are unrelated, and then with the one hour break I no longer care enough about Talking Smack to turn the Network on.
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The real solution:

2 Hour RAW followed by 205 Live (since Cruiserweights are on RAW).
2 Hour Smackdown followed by NXT.
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I would also like to know how many people actually watch NXT "live". I usually just watch it during my workouts at some point.

I'd argue that would be the same case for 205 Live, but it isn't its own standalone show and you need to see it before Monday if you want to be caught up for whatever happens on RAW, and that's just... ugh. Frustrating. The only solution is to actually give those guys time on RAW, but they won't. If you give them time and have actually compelling stories on RAW, people will actually feel like watching 205 Live. Instead of having all of these blow off matches on 205 Live, put a couple on RAW. Like if they had Tozawa vs Kendrick on RAW, people would have been far more into Tozawa. If you put Cedric Alexander vs Noam Dar and Dar's break up with Alicia Fox, it would reach more people and help these guys get more over. But my god, they just don't give them anything they can possibly get over with on RAW.
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Also, the finals set for the Mae Young Classic are... not what I would have preferred. Well, at least for half of it anyway.
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TheRock1525 posted...

The real solution:

2 Hour RAW followed by 205 Live (since Cruiserweights are on RAW).
2 Hour Smackdown followed by NXT.

God yes this...
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Also, the finals set for the Mae Young Classic are... not what I would have preferred. Well, at least for half of it anyway.

I'm assuming you're talking about Baszler, but she's actually quite good.
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I said earlier that she was winning. People better listen.
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Oh, I just assumed she was only being pushed for the obvious other reasons. If she's actually good then I'm into it.

Anyway, here's an interesting Reddit post about the viewership of 205 Live.

"I'd like to point out for the record that this is not entirely true. I am Steve Coulson, former contributor to WWENetworkNews.com and during my time with that site, along with WrestlingDVDNetwork.com among others I tracked the system.
During that time, the Observer among other sites would be mistaken and I'd email them corrections, which would then be fixed in most cases. This is a situation where WOR is incorrect. CWC did indeed beat NXT many times, that is correct. NXT beats 205 Live nearly all the time, that is also correct. However when they said it wasn't in the top 20 for that "week", that isn't how it works.
The Top 20 system is typically updated Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. Sometimes it won't be refreshed for a day or two. During these occasions, shows that aired in the past day will not appear on the top 20 list. For example, when I would do a Top 20 article on a Thursday, sometimes they did not refresh it that day so NXT would not be listed. This isn't because NXT didn't make the top 20, as you'd see older episodes still appear.
Regardless of the opinion on 205 Live, it is almost always in the top 5 most watched shows for a few days after release alongside Talking Smack, NXT, and either original content or a PPV. It almost always stays within the top 10 or top 20 until the next episode appears, and sometimes multiple episodes will be listed.
Again, the point of CWC being more popular than even NXT is factual, as is NXT being more popular than 205 Live. However I thought it was important to clear things up as things aren't as dire as they appear."
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So, I was listening to something on Randy and Cena, and how they've fought on tv like 22 times.

What is the most anyone has ever fought anyone else?

I am convinced it has to be the Hardys and Dudleys, who over 5 years fought each other all the time on Ppvs and and also on tv.,, since they weren't ME and in a small division of which both were constantly around the belt.

I was thinking it could also be Flair and Sting for close to 25 across NWA, WCW and TNA.
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It has to Kofi vs Dolph
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Lopen posted...

It has to Kofi vs Dolph

What are they at?
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I don't know but I do know they probably eclipsed 22 in like 6 months.

http://www.profightdb.com/wrestler_search/dolph-ziggler-450.html?opp=3295

Here's a match listing if you're interested. I got to 12 televised singles matches and realized I'd only scrolled 1/3 the way up. Never mind the tag matches and non-televised ones.
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I'm officially predicting Juice Robinson over Kenny Omega on my G1 Pick 'Em this year. Rate my craziness 1-10.
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4. I could see this with the push they've given him. If they're saving Omega vs. Okada for Kingdom, this would make sense.
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Lopen posted...

I don't know but I do know they probably eclipsed 22 in like 6 months.

http://www.profightdb.com/wrestler_search/dolph-ziggler-450.html?opp=3295

Here's a match listing if you're interested. I got to 12 televised singles matches and realized I'd only scrolled 1/3 the way up. Never mind the tag matches and non-televised ones.

Singles and tags (against each other) on tv and ppl os 62....


That may be the record...
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How about Elgin over Okada? Less crazy or more crazy?

I'm emboldened by my correct call of Marufuji over Okada last year.
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EmDubyaSee posted...

What is the most anyone has ever fought anyone else?

Unless you're limiting it to broadcast matches I'm actually gonna guess Flair/Steamboat or something else from that era
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Tom Bombadil posted...

EmDubyaSee posted...

What is the most anyone has ever fought anyone else?

Unless you're limiting it to broadcast matches I'm actually gonna guess Flair/Steamboat or something else from that era

Didn't Flair Stramboat only fight for like 9 months?

He and Dusty fought all the way till 99...
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new topix
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i like tai chi swords
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKb3o9s4MiQ
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