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Corrik 07/12/17 2:58:30 PM #402:	red sox 777 posted... And I'm not aware of any convictions in the US for merely talking to the Soviets, or receiving information from them. Giving national secrets to them is another story, and clearly falls under espionage. (h)Providing substantial assistance. (1)No person shall knowingly provide substantial assistance in the solicitation, making, acceptance, or receipt of a contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d), and (g) of this section. (2)No person shall knowingly provide substantial assistance in the making of an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement prohibited by paragraphs (e) and (f) of this section. (i)Participation by foreign nationals in decisions involving election-related activities.A foreign national shall not direct, dictate, control, or directly or indirectly participate in the decision-making process of any person, such as a corporation, labor organization, political committee, or political organization with regard to such person's Federal or non-Federal election-related activities, such as decisions concerning the making of contributions, donations, expenditures, or disbursements in connection with elections for any Federal, State, or local office or decisions concerning the administration of a political committee. This is pretty vague but on its face doesn't seem to apply unless Russia was actually in a decision-making role at the campaign. Does the person who creates an advertisement indirectly participate in your decision to buy a I-phone? At least based on the emails disclosed, there doesn't seem to be evidence for anything more direct than that, yet. As for intent, the defense obviously has to be that there was no intent to do anything illegal, nor was anything illegal done. Saying they intended to commit a crime but failed isn't going to fly. Should probably save your breath. Unless you are impeaching the president for the 40th time this year right now, you are scum. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:882789190] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>And I'm not aware of any convictions in the US for merely talking to the Soviets, or receiving information from them. Giving national secrets to them is another story, and clearly falls under espionage. <quote>(h)Providing substantial assistance. (1)No person shall knowingly provide substantial assistance in the solicitation, making, acceptance, or receipt of a contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d), and (g) of this section. (2)No person shall knowingly provide substantial assistance in the making of an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement prohibited by paragraphs (e) and (f) of this section. (i)Participation by foreign nationals in decisions involving election-related activities.A foreign national shall not direct, dictate, control, or directly or indirectly participate in the decision-making process of any person, such as a corporation, labor organization, political committee, or political organization with regard to such person's Federal or non-Federal election-related activities, such as decisions concerning the making of contributions, donations, expenditures, or disbursements in connection with elections for any Federal, State, or local office or decisions concerning the administration of a political committee.</quote> This is pretty vague but on its face doesn't seem to apply unless Russia was actually in a decision-making role at the campaign. Does the person who creates an advertisement indirectly participate in your decision to buy a I-phone? At least based on the emails disclosed, there doesn't seem to be evidence for anything more direct than that, yet. As for intent, the defense obviously has to be that there was no intent to do anything illegal, nor was anything illegal done. Saying they intended to commit a crime but failed isn't going to fly.</quote> Should probably save your breath. Unless you are impeaching the president for the 40th time this year right now, you are scum.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/12/17 3:04:26 PM #403:	Corrik posted... Everyone is a victim nowadays --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:882789519] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Everyone is a victim nowadays</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/12/17 3:08:51 PM #404:	https://twitter.com/miocoxon/status/885133288683077632 It was a haiku all along!! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:882789779] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/miocoxon/status/885133288683077632 It was a haiku all along!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 07/12/17 3:19:09 PM #405:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik posted... Everyone is a victim nowadays I agree. Everyone wants to be a victim. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:882790335] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Everyone is a victim nowadays</quote></quote> I agree. Everyone wants to be a victim.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 07/12/17 3:45:03 PM #406:	Want not, dear Corrik. We know you well. --- **** Netflix <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:882791689] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>Want not, dear Corrik. We know you well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 07/12/17 3:46:38 PM #407:	Corrik posted... Jakyl25 posted... Corrik posted... Everyone is a victim nowadays I agree. Everyone wants to be a victim. How dare you say that I'm a victim. I'll have you know that statements like this really get to me and cause me severe mental anguish. People like you are the real problem with this board. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:882791770] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Everyone is a victim nowadays</quote></quote> I agree. Everyone wants to be a victim.</quote> How dare you say that I'm a victim. I'll have you know that statements like this really get to me and cause me severe mental anguish. People like you are the real problem with this board.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dowolf 07/12/17 4:50:16 PM #408:	I realize you have a very conversationally conversation going on right now, but I'd just like to comment that but-commas are literally the devil's punctuation. you may continue. --- Nonsense. "Testing" is for when you're still guessing--and now, I have no need to guess. -- Agatha, Girl Genius <cite>dowolf posted [p:882795367] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>I realize you have a very conversationally conversation going on right now, but I'd just like to comment that but-commas are literally the devil's punctuation. you may continue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-FFDragon- 07/12/17 4:52:18 PM #409:	more like BUTT commas am I right --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up on a different Nexus? <cite>-FFDragon- posted [p:882795490] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>more like BUTT commas am I right</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Regaro 07/12/17 4:54:18 PM #410:	But, won't you think of the poor commas??? --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Regaro posted [p:882795605] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>But, won't you think of the poor commas???</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaRRicH 07/12/17 5:01:23 PM #411:	https://twitter.com/yashar/status/884907167735853058 The Replies: When a respected Three Star General begs you to stop embarrassing yourself. https://t.co/M4FhazVTiJ --- Posted using GameFlux <cite>HaRRicH posted [p:882796029] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/yashar/status/884907167735853058 The Replies: When a respected Three Star General begs you to stop embarrassing yourself. https://t.co/M4FhazVTiJ</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 07/12/17 7:15:50 PM #412:	On the healthcare front: (Potentially) good news: Rand Paul seems very unlikely to get to yes based on the op-ed he wrote for Brietbart today (not linking it because fuck Brietbart, but he seems to be adamantly against any government assistance to help people afford health insurance). I still don't want to count him as a safe no because his problem is that the bill doesn't fuck over people enough, but still. Potentially bad news: it seems that Heller could in theory be convinced to vote yes - https://twitter.com/dylanlscott/status/885243670810808322 --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:882803309] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>On the healthcare front: (Potentially) good news: Rand Paul seems very unlikely to get to yes based on the op-ed he wrote for Brietbart today (not linking it because fuck Brietbart, but he seems to be adamantly against any government assistance to help people afford health insurance). I still don't want to count him as a safe no because his problem is that the bill doesn't fuck over people enough, but still. Potentially bad news: it seems that Heller could in theory be convinced to vote yes - https://twitter.com/dylanlscott/status/885243670810808322</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 07/12/17 7:19:11 PM #413:	Rand Paul is an interesting case. He's a rabid libertarian in one of the states most helped by the Medicaid expansion, which gives him two very good albeit ideologically opposed reasons to vote against the BCRA. --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:882803488] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>Rand Paul is an interesting case. He's a rabid libertarian in one of the states most helped by the Medicaid expansion, which gives him two very good albeit ideologically opposed reasons to vote against the BCRA.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/12/17 7:49:21 PM #414:	His position is clear and logical. Any government subsidization of health insurance drives up prices and is therefore counterproductive. It's basic supply and demand. Increase the demand (more people willing and able to pay at each price point) and the market equilibrium price goes up. I'm a little puzzled by how many people in Congress want to fight the forces of supply and demand. Either increase the supply (single payer would do this) or decrease the demand, anything else is just redistributing wealth around. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:882805039] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>His position is clear and logical. Any government subsidization of health insurance drives up prices and is therefore counterproductive. It's basic supply and demand. Increase the demand (more people willing and able to pay at each price point) and the market equilibrium price goes up. I'm a little puzzled by how many people in Congress want to fight the forces of supply and demand. Either increase the supply (single payer would do this) or decrease the demand, anything else is just redistributing wealth around.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dowolf 07/12/17 8:01:31 PM #415:	I'll be generous and say you're simply ignoring a few key points: 1) Demand for medical aid is inelastic. 2) Hospitals are already required to provide acute (i.e. the most expensive) care to anyone who shows up at their doors. Therefore, getting more people health care does not increase demand -- if anything, it decreases this, since people will get less expensive treatment on average. 3) People with chronic conditions cost an absurd percentage of the total health care budget. Having separate price points means that, while health care would be cheap as dirt for ~95% of people, the other 5% would go bankrupt or die. 4) ...which I guess would decrease demand. Technically. Congratulations. It only took a massacre! --- Nonsense. "Testing" is for when you're still guessing--and now, I have no need to guess. -- Agatha, Girl Genius <cite>dowolf posted [p:882805675] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>I'll be generous and say you're simply ignoring a few key points: 1) Demand for medical aid is inelastic. 2) Hospitals are already required to provide acute (i.e. the most expensive) care to anyone who shows up at their doors. Therefore, getting more people health care does not increase demand -- if anything, it decreases this, since people will get less expensive treatment on average. 3) People with chronic conditions cost an absurd percentage of the total health care budget. Having separate price points means that, while health care would be cheap as dirt for ~95% of people, the other 5% would go bankrupt or die. 4) ...which I guess would decrease demand. Technically. Congratulations. It only took a massacre!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/12/17 8:03:21 PM #416:	Demand and supply for health INSURANCE, not healthcare! Don't conflate the two. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:882805793] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>Demand and supply for health INSURANCE, not healthcare! Don't conflate the two.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 07/12/17 8:03:33 PM #417:	dowolf posted... 1) Demand for medical aid is inelastic. defines demand in such a way that there's no demand if someone can't afford the thing, in order to make my argument work nuh-uh! --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:882805801] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>1) Demand for medical aid is inelastic.</quote> defines demand in such a way that there's no demand if someone can't afford the thing, in order to make my argument work nuh-uh!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dowolf 07/12/17 8:05:19 PM #418:	If you cannot get health care without health insurance, they are equivalent. This is true for all persons suffering from chronic conditions. --- Nonsense. "Testing" is for when you're still guessing--and now, I have no need to guess. -- Agatha, Girl Genius <cite>dowolf posted [p:882805906] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>If you cannot get health care without health insurance, they are equivalent. This is true for all persons suffering from chronic conditions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/12/17 8:06:21 PM #419:	Kenri posted... dowolf posted... 1) Demand for medical aid is inelastic. defines demand in such a way that there's no demand if someone can't afford the thing, in order to make my argument work nuh-uh! That is exactly how demand is defined, actually. The economic term means slightly more than "I want it." --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:882805981] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>1) Demand for medical aid is inelastic.</quote> defines demand in such a way that there's no demand if someone can't afford the thing, in order to make my argument work nuh-uh!</quote> That is exactly how demand is defined, actually. The economic term means slightly more than "I want it."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 07/12/17 8:06:34 PM #420:	red sox 777 posted... Demand and supply for health INSURANCE, not healthcare! Don't conflate the two. Why not? Are they not related? red sox 777 posted... Kenri posted... dowolf posted... 1) Demand for medical aid is inelastic. defines demand in such a way that there's no demand if someone can't afford the thing, in order to make my argument work nuh-uh! That is exactly how demand is defined, actually. The economic term means slightly more than "I want it." This logic is inherently absurd, given that you're intended to use the Supply-Demand structure to determine pricing. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:882805995] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Demand and supply for health INSURANCE, not healthcare! Don't conflate the two.</quote> Why not? Are they not related? <cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>1) Demand for medical aid is inelastic.</quote> defines demand in such a way that there's no demand if someone can't afford the thing, in order to make my argument work nuh-uh!</quote> That is exactly how demand is defined, actually. The economic term means slightly more than "I want it."</quote> This logic is inherently absurd, given that you're intended to use the Supply-Demand structure to determine pricing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/12/17 8:07:01 PM #421:	dowolf posted... If you cannot get health care without health insurance, they are equivalent. This is true for all persons suffering from chronic conditions. Hence, this is the problem. Rand Paul is one of the few people proposing doing anything to fix it. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:882806029] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>If you cannot get health care without health insurance, they are equivalent. This is true for all persons suffering from chronic conditions.</quote> Hence, this is the problem. Rand Paul is one of the few people proposing doing anything to fix it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 07/12/17 8:08:27 PM #422:	red sox 777 posted... dowolf posted... If you cannot get health care without health insurance, they are equivalent. This is true for all persons suffering from chronic conditions. Hence, this is the problem. Rand Paul is one of the few people proposing doing anything to fix it. Rand Paul wants a straight up repeal. In other words, to go back to the days where if you had a preexisting condition you were totally fucked and couldn't even buy insurance. --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:882806099] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>If you cannot get health care without health insurance, they are equivalent. This is true for all persons suffering from chronic conditions.</quote> Hence, this is the problem. Rand Paul is one of the few people proposing doing anything to fix it.</quote> Rand Paul wants a straight up repeal. In other words, to go back to the days where if you had a preexisting condition you were totally fucked and couldn't even buy insurance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/12/17 8:08:53 PM #423:	SupremeZero posted... red sox 777 posted... Demand and supply for health INSURANCE, not healthcare! Don't conflate the two. Why not? Are they not related? Insurance protects your assets, healthcare protects your person. If you the only way you can have healthcare is to have "insurance," then it resembles less traditional forms of insurance and resembles more an extortion racket. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:882806120] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>SupremeZero posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Demand and supply for health INSURANCE, not healthcare! Don't conflate the two.</quote> Why not? Are they not related?</quote> Insurance protects your assets, healthcare protects your person. If you the only way you can have healthcare is to have "insurance," then it resembles less traditional forms of insurance and resembles more an extortion racket.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dowolf 07/12/17 8:09:02 PM #424:	Rand Paul's proposal would make it impossibly expensive. In what loony bin is that a fix? --- Nonsense. "Testing" is for when you're still guessing--and now, I have no need to guess. -- Agatha, Girl Genius <cite>dowolf posted [p:882806131] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>Rand Paul's proposal would make it impossibly expensive. In what loony bin is that a fix?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dowolf 07/12/17 8:10:36 PM #425:	I mean, if your argument is that it makes zero sense for for-profit businesses to be handling the cost-sharing mechanism, I agree. But let's not pretend that Rand Paul's proposal would do anything about that. --- Nonsense. "Testing" is for when you're still guessing--and now, I have no need to guess. -- Agatha, Girl Genius <cite>dowolf posted [p:882806217] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>I mean, if your argument is that it makes zero sense for for-profit businesses to be handling the cost-sharing mechanism, I agree. But let's not pretend that Rand Paul's proposal would do anything about that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 07/12/17 8:10:50 PM #426:	red sox 777 posted... If you the only way you can have healthcare is to have "insurance," then it resembles less traditional forms of insurance and resembles more an extortion racket. You're being intellectually dishonest as shit with this whole discussion, but I'll give you credit for saying something good here. --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Reg posted [p:882806228] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote> If you the only way you can have healthcare is to have "insurance," then it resembles less traditional forms of insurance and resembles more an extortion racket.</quote> You're being intellectually dishonest as shit with this whole discussion, but I'll give you credit for saying something good here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/12/17 8:11:40 PM #427:	LordoftheMorons posted... red sox 777 posted... dowolf posted... If you cannot get health care without health insurance, they are equivalent. This is true for all persons suffering from chronic conditions. Hence, this is the problem. Rand Paul is one of the few people proposing doing anything to fix it. Rand Paul wants a straight up repeal. In other words, to go back to the days where if you had a preexisting condition you were totally fucked and couldn't even buy insurance. He wants to go back a good deal farther than 2010 from what I understood. Repeal of ACA is the first step. If you can get back to an actual free market, then the market could take care of things. No, it doesn't mean that every single last person will be better off. I also don't guarantee it would work. But RP is consistent and it makes sense. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:882806273] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>If you cannot get health care without health insurance, they are equivalent. This is true for all persons suffering from chronic conditions.</quote> Hence, this is the problem. Rand Paul is one of the few people proposing doing anything to fix it.</quote> Rand Paul wants a straight up repeal. In other words, to go back to the days where if you had a preexisting condition you were totally fucked and couldn't even buy insurance.</quote> He wants to go back a good deal farther than 2010 from what I understood. Repeal of ACA is the first step. If you can get back to an actual free market, then the market could take care of things. No, it doesn't mean that every single last person will be better off. I also don't guarantee it would work. But RP is consistent and it makes sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/12/17 8:12:58 PM #428:	dowolf posted... Rand Paul's proposal would make it impossibly expensive. In what loony bin is that a fix? What happens when companies sell impossibly expensive products that no one has to buy? --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:882806365] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>Rand Paul's proposal would make it impossibly expensive. In what loony bin is that a fix?</quote> What happens when companies sell impossibly expensive products that no one has to buy?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 07/12/17 8:13:29 PM #429:	red sox 777 posted... That is exactly how demand is defined, actually. The economic term means slightly more than "I want it." I want to see what your world looks like, where there's no such thing as demand that isn't being satisfied by the market. It sounds interesting, and also completely unlike how economics actually works. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:882806406] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>That is exactly how demand is defined, actually. The economic term means slightly more than "I want it."</quote> I want to see what your world looks like, where there's no such thing as demand that isn't being satisfied by the market. It sounds interesting, and also completely unlike how economics actually works.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 07/12/17 8:14:17 PM #430:	red sox 777 posted... dowolf posted... Rand Paul's proposal would make it impossibly expensive. In what loony bin is that a fix? What happens when companies sell impossibly expensive products that no one has to buy? People die. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:882806458] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>Rand Paul's proposal would make it impossibly expensive. In what loony bin is that a fix?</quote> What happens when companies sell impossibly expensive products that no one has to buy?</quote> People die.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/12/17 8:14:58 PM #431:	SupremeZero posted... red sox 777 posted... Demand and supply for health INSURANCE, not healthcare! Don't conflate the two. Why not? Are they not related? red sox 777 posted... Kenri posted... dowolf posted... 1) Demand for medical aid is inelastic. defines demand in such a way that there's no demand if someone can't afford the thing, in order to make my argument work nuh-uh! That is exactly how demand is defined, actually. The economic term means slightly more than "I want it." This logic is inherently absurd, given that you're intended to use the Supply-Demand structure to determine pricing. I'm not sure what you mean, but if it's what I'm thinking then, no, supply and demand determine pricing, the economist doing the analysis determines nothing --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:882806483] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>SupremeZero posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Demand and supply for health INSURANCE, not healthcare! Don't conflate the two.</quote> Why not? Are they not related? <cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>1) Demand for medical aid is inelastic.</quote> defines demand in such a way that there's no demand if someone can't afford the thing, in order to make my argument work nuh-uh!</quote> That is exactly how demand is defined, actually. The economic term means slightly more than "I want it."</quote> This logic is inherently absurd, given that you're intended to use the Supply-Demand structure to determine pricing.</quote> I'm not sure what you mean, but if it's what I'm thinking then, no, supply and demand determine pricing, the economist doing the analysis determines nothing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/12/17 8:16:51 PM #432:	Kenri posted... red sox 777 posted... That is exactly how demand is defined, actually. The economic term means slightly more than "I want it." I want to see what your world looks like, where there's no such thing as demand that isn't being satisfied by the market. It sounds interesting, and also completely unlike how economics actually works. That's not what I said..... I said demand is inherently connected to price points. For example, at the price of X, people want to buy Y units of abc. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:882806584] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>That is exactly how demand is defined, actually. The economic term means slightly more than "I want it."</quote> I want to see what your world looks like, where there's no such thing as demand that isn't being satisfied by the market. It sounds interesting, and also completely unlike how economics actually works.</quote> That's not what I said..... I said demand is inherently connected to price points. For example, at the price of X, people want to buy Y units of abc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/12/17 8:18:56 PM #433:	In other words, demand is always expressed as a function of price. Saying, "demand went down" is shorthand for "at every price point, less products were demanded." --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:882806706] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>In other words, demand is always expressed as a function of price. Saying, "demand went down" is shorthand for "at every price point, less products were demanded."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dowolf 07/12/17 8:19:26 PM #434:	red sox 777 posted... dowolf posted... Rand Paul's proposal would make it impossibly expensive. In what loony bin is that a fix? What happens when companies sell impossibly expensive products that no one has to buy? Roughly 5% of the population dies. --- Nonsense. "Testing" is for when you're still guessing--and now, I have no need to guess. -- Agatha, Girl Genius <cite>dowolf posted [p:882806736] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>Rand Paul's proposal would make it impossibly expensive. In what loony bin is that a fix?</quote> What happens when companies sell impossibly expensive products that no one has to buy?</quote> Roughly 5% of the population dies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skyridge87 07/12/17 8:21:04 PM #435:	Not to interrupt, but I felt this was important enough to share: https://twitter.com/grantpa/status/884589647455592448 <cite>Skyridge87 posted [p:882806832] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>Not to interrupt, but I felt this was important enough to share: https://twitter.com/grantpa/status/884589647455592448</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiaattgg 07/12/17 8:24:18 PM #436:	dowolf posted... red sox 777 posted... dowolf posted... Rand Paul's proposal would make it impossibly expensive. In what loony bin is that a fix? What happens when companies sell impossibly expensive products that no one has to buy? Roughly 5% of the population dies. this is rich --- Sess Of the superuser "merSHINEsess" <cite>iiaattgg posted [p:882807005] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>Rand Paul's proposal would make it impossibly expensive. In what loony bin is that a fix?</quote> What happens when companies sell impossibly expensive products that no one has to buy?</quote> Roughly 5% of the population dies.</quote> this is rich</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 07/12/17 8:25:25 PM #437:	red sox 777 posted... Kenri posted... red sox 777 posted... That is exactly how demand is defined, actually. The economic term means slightly more than "I want it." I want to see what your world looks like, where there's no such thing as demand that isn't being satisfied by the market. It sounds interesting, and also completely unlike how economics actually works. That's not what I said..... I said demand is inherently connected to price points. For example, at the price of X, people want to buy Y units of abc. do you remember like three posts ago where I sarcastically said "there's no demand if people can't afford the thing" and you said that was exactly how demand is defined like i'm glad you're walking it back, but a little self-reflection, please? anyway you're still ignoring the existence of inelastic goods i.e. goods that don't act the way you're describing (nothing's perfectly inelastic but health care comes as close as anything) --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:882807067] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>That is exactly how demand is defined, actually. The economic term means slightly more than "I want it."</quote> I want to see what your world looks like, where there's no such thing as demand that isn't being satisfied by the market. It sounds interesting, and also completely unlike how economics actually works.</quote> That's not what I said..... I said demand is inherently connected to price points. For example, at the price of X, people want to buy Y units of abc.</quote> do you remember like three posts ago where I sarcastically said "there's no demand if people can't afford the thing" and you said that was exactly how demand is defined like i'm glad you're walking it back, but a little self-reflection, please? anyway you're still ignoring the existence of inelastic goods i.e. goods that don't act the way you're describing (nothing's perfectly inelastic but health care comes as close as anything)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/12/17 8:26:43 PM #438:	Skyridge87 posted... Not to interrupt, but I felt this was important enough to share: https://twitter.com/grantpa/status/884589647455592448 Signal boosting this --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:882807136] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Skyridge87 posted...</cite> <quote>Not to interrupt, but I felt this was important enough to share: https://twitter.com/grantpa/status/884589647455592448</quote> Signal boosting this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/12/17 8:28:33 PM #439:	Kenri posted... red sox 777 posted... Kenri posted... red sox 777 posted... That is exactly how demand is defined, actually. The economic term means slightly more than "I want it." I want to see what your world looks like, where there's no such thing as demand that isn't being satisfied by the market. It sounds interesting, and also completely unlike how economics actually works. That's not what I said..... I said demand is inherently connected to price points. For example, at the price of X, people want to buy Y units of abc. do you remember like three posts ago where I sarcastically said "there's no demand if people can't afford the thing" and you said that was exactly how demand is defined like i'm glad you're walking it back, but a little self-reflection, please? anyway you're still ignoring the existence of inelastic goods i.e. goods that don't act the way you're describing (nothing's perfectly inelastic but health care comes as close as anything) I'm not sure why you don't seem to understand my posts or the differences between your posts, which do not say the same thing as each other. No one said anything about elasticity yet. In a free market, I expect healthcare would be highly inelastic and health insurance would be much more elastic comparatively. None of this changed the existence or structure of demand curves. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:882807239] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>That is exactly how demand is defined, actually. The economic term means slightly more than "I want it."</quote> I want to see what your world looks like, where there's no such thing as demand that isn't being satisfied by the market. It sounds interesting, and also completely unlike how economics actually works.</quote> That's not what I said..... I said demand is inherently connected to price points. For example, at the price of X, people want to buy Y units of abc.</quote> do you remember like three posts ago where I sarcastically said "there's no demand if people can't afford the thing" and you said that was exactly how demand is defined like i'm glad you're walking it back, but a little self-reflection, please? anyway you're still ignoring the existence of inelastic goods i.e. goods that don't act the way you're describing (nothing's perfectly inelastic but health care comes as close as anything)</quote> I'm not sure why you don't seem to understand my posts or the differences between your posts, which do not say the same thing as each other. No one said anything about elasticity yet. In a free market, I expect healthcare would be highly inelastic and health insurance would be much more elastic comparatively. None of this changed the existence or structure of demand curves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dowolf 07/12/17 8:31:00 PM #440:	red sox 777 posted... No one said anything about elasticity yet. red sox 777 posted... Kenri posted... dowolf posted... 1) Demand for medical aid is inelastic. defines demand in such a way that there's no demand if someone can't afford the thing, in order to make my argument work nuh-uh! That is exactly how demand is defined, actually. The economic term means slightly more than "I want it." boom. </topic> --- Nonsense. "Testing" is for when you're still guessing--and now, I have no need to guess. -- Agatha, Girl Genius <cite>dowolf posted [p:882807379] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote> No one said anything about elasticity yet.</quote> <cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>1) Demand for medical aid is inelastic.</quote> defines demand in such a way that there's no demand if someone can't afford the thing, in order to make my argument work nuh-uh!</quote> That is exactly how demand is defined, actually. The economic term means slightly more than "I want it."</quote> boom. </topic></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 07/12/17 8:33:01 PM #441:	red sox 777 posted... No one said anything about elasticity yet. Aside from the post I initially replied to?? Am I being trolled here? I can never tell with you. If so you got me, either way I'm done if you can't even pay attention for like 4 whole posts. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:882807484] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>No one said anything about elasticity yet.</quote> Aside from the post I initially replied to?? Am I being trolled here? I can never tell with you. If so you got me, either way I'm done if you can't even pay attention for like 4 whole posts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/12/17 8:38:21 PM #442:	Er, the concept of elasticity is irrelevant to the existence of the concept of demand curves. Apologies for not spelling everything out, but I feel like I should not have to get sidetracked in these discussions by having to explain basic concepts in economics (especially wrt objections that are simply irrelevant). --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:882807788] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>Er, the concept of elasticity is irrelevant to the existence of the concept of demand curves. Apologies for not spelling everything out, but I feel like I should not have to get sidetracked in these discussions by having to explain basic concepts in economics (especially wrt objections that are simply irrelevant).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 07/12/17 8:45:44 PM #443:	red sox 777 posted... I feel like I should not have to get sidetracked in these discussions by having to explain basic concepts in economics i know that feel, bro --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:882808191] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>I feel like I should not have to get sidetracked in these discussions by having to explain basic concepts in economics</quote> i know that feel, bro</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 07/12/17 9:16:06 PM #444:	https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/885278633014812673 hm, seems like mexico is not paying for it after all. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:882809944] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/885278633014812673 hm, seems like mexico is not paying for it after all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiaattgg 07/12/17 9:25:02 PM #445:	Mr Lasastryke posted... https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/885278633014812673 hm, seems like mexico is not paying for it after all. im fine paying for it! --- Sess Of the superuser "merSHINEsess" <cite>iiaattgg posted [p:882810443] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/885278633014812673 hm, seems like mexico is not paying for it after all.</quote> im fine paying for it!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 07/12/17 9:32:16 PM #446:	boy I sure hope these bad hombres don't discover things like ladders or rope or shovels --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:882810852] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>boy I sure hope these bad hombres don't discover things like ladders or rope or shovels</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 07/12/17 9:46:14 PM #447:	FFDragon posted... boy I sure hope these bad hombres don't discover things like ladders or rope or shovels Well, Trump hasn't discovered those things, either, since he hasn't done a day of manual labor in his life. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:882811616] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote>boy I sure hope these bad hombres don't discover things like ladders or rope or shovels</quote> Well, Trump hasn't discovered those things, either, since he hasn't done a day of manual labor in his life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 07/12/17 9:48:28 PM #448:	http://www.businessinsider.com/why-was-russian-money-laundering-case-dismissed-house-dems-2017-7 Last summer, Donald Trump Jr. met with a Kremlin-connected attorney in an attempt to obtain information 'that would incriminate Hillary,'" the Democrats wrote, citing the emails he published. "Earlier this year, on May 12, 2017, the Department of Justice made an abrupt decision to settle a money laundering case being handled by that same attorney in the Southern District of New York. "We write with some concern that the two events may be connected — and that the Department may have settled the case at a loss for the United States in order to obscure the underlying facts." I mean... --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:882811742] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>http://www.businessinsider.com/why-was-russian-money-laundering-case-dismissed-house-dems-2017-7 <quote>Last summer, Donald Trump Jr. met with a Kremlin-connected attorney in an attempt to obtain information 'that would incriminate Hillary,'" the Democrats wrote, citing the emails he published. "Earlier this year, on May 12, 2017, the Department of Justice made an abrupt decision to settle a money laundering case being handled by that same attorney in the Southern District of New York. "We write with some concern that the two events may be connected — and that the Department may have settled the case at a loss for the United States in order to obscure the underlying facts."</quote> I mean...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 07/12/17 9:53:18 PM #450:	I think you could probably Ulti this article, not read beyond the headline, and still get the gist of it. http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2017/july/s-pat-robertson-interviewing-president-trump-at-the-white-house-today --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:882812006] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>I think you could probably Ulti this article, not read beyond the headline, and still get the gist of it. http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2017/july/s-pat-robertson-interviewing-president-trump-at-the-white-house-today</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 07/12/17 9:53:31 PM #451:	yes, go to jail --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:882812020] in Politics C... [t:75553714]...</cite> <quote>yes, go to jail</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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