Poll of the Day > Donald Trump Jr. was stupid enough to post proof of himself committing a felony.

(+) Yeah! (+)

SushiSquid posted...

it's safe to assume

There it is again!
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You don't actually have an argument, do you?

When presented with conflicting evidence, you have to choose which one to trust. This President has shown that he cannot be trusted, so I'd place my trust in the other source.

Newly reported today is that President Trump's legal team is looking into any reasons they might find that would justify firing Robert Mueller. They're also looking into how far the President's pardon power extends, especially whether a President can pardon family members or himself.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-lawyers-seek-to-undercut-muellers-russia-investigation/2017/07/20/232ebf2c-6d71-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html

Seriously? Trump's freaking out like that because Mueller started looking into his businesses, or did I miss something?
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No, I don't think you've missed something. That's accurate based on what we know. Looking into his businesses apparently has him angry and worried.

SushiSquid posted...

We can assume

That's the problem with you leftists. You just keep assuming things, I'm guessing out of fear and shock from Donald Trump winning the presidency. Anything to get him impeached.
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SushiSquid posted...

Erik_P posted...

I saw you try and claim impeachment doesn't kick a person out of the presidency.

It doesn't. Impeachment just triggers a trial to see if the person being impeached should be removed from their office, or if another recourse is more proper.

Right, its like being charged with murder that doesn't mean you will go to jail for the crime of murder. The point is in most cases when a president is impeached they end up either being forced out of the office or give it up willingly.
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Zero_Maniac posted...

SushiSquid posted...

We can assume

That's the problem with you leftists. You just keep assuming things, I'm guessing out of fear and shock from Donald Trump winning the presidency. Anything to get him impeached.

1) I'm not a leftist.
2) I just have a fucking brain. If someone lies to you consistently, you stop believing what they say.

TheCyborgNinja posted...

With Obama, there were people whining about the birth certificate, but they were pretty fringe. It's absurd how many "mainstream" people just can't stop with the Trump stuff.

1. Protesting doesn't accomplish fuck all.
2.

Protesting doesn't accomplish fuck all... so did you fail history class? Also are you saying that if you see something wrong going on then you should just not talk about it?
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Jiggy101011 posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

With Obama, there were people whining about the birth certificate, but they were pretty fringe. It's absurd how many "mainstream" people just can't stop with the Trump stuff.

1. Protesting doesn't accomplish fuck all.
2.

Protesting doesn't accomplish fuck all... so did you fail history class? Also are you saying that if you see something wrong going on then you should just not talk about it?

Yeah, its funny when people make this claim when throughout history protests have done a ton, sure protesting won't make the government remove a president from power but it has done a lot of things beyond that.
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You guys forget that to millennials protesting amounts to complaining on social media.
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Veedrock- posted...

You guys forget that to millennials protesting amounts to complaining on social media.

You forgot the Adam from Adam Ruins Everything proved that there are no millennials.
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SushiSquid posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

SushiSquid posted...

We can assume

That's the problem with you leftists. You just keep assuming things, I'm guessing out of fear and shock from Donald Trump winning the presidency. Anything to get him impeached.

1) I'm not a leftist.
2) I just have a fucking brain. If someone lies to you consistently, you stop believing what they say.

Then I hope you don't believe CNN, or any other clearly leftist media outlet, since it has been proven time and time again that the left is lying to everyone. Except you do seem to believe media outlets that are clearly leftist...are you sure you're not a leftist?
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Zero_Maniac posted...

SushiSquid posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

SushiSquid posted...

We can assume

That's the problem with you leftists. You just keep assuming things, I'm guessing out of fear and shock from Donald Trump winning the presidency. Anything to get him impeached.

1) I'm not a leftist.
2) I just have a fucking brain. If someone lies to you consistently, you stop believing what they say.

Then I hope you don't believe CNN, or any other clearly leftist media outlet, since it has been proven time and time again that the left is lying to everyone. Except you do seem to believe media outlets that are clearly leftist...are you sure you're not a leftist?

So let me see if I've got your argument from this quote chain straight:
1) You're criticizing Sushi for assuming Trump is lying, based on him having done so before.
2) You are assuming that left-wing media is lying, based on them having done so before.

Do I about have the long and short of it?
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darkknight109 posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

SushiSquid posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

SushiSquid posted...

We can assume

That's the problem with you leftists. You just keep assuming things, I'm guessing out of fear and shock from Donald Trump winning the presidency. Anything to get him impeached.

1) I'm not a leftist.
2) I just have a fucking brain. If someone lies to you consistently, you stop believing what they say.

Then I hope you don't believe CNN, or any other clearly leftist media outlet, since it has been proven time and time again that the left is lying to everyone. Except you do seem to believe media outlets that are clearly leftist...are you sure you're not a leftist?

So let me see if I've got your argument from this quote chain straight:
1) You're criticizing Sushi for assuming Trump is lying, based on him having done so before.
2) You are assuming that left-wing media is lying, based on them having done so before.

Do I about have the long and short of it?

1. When did Trump lie? He's delivering on his promises, and I can't think of another situation where he lied.
2. Assumptions are only bad when they're false.
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for starters he lied once about his electoral vote margin. when asked he doubled down and said "i dont know. i was told that"

thats just one. it isnt a gaffe or he misspoke as he was questioned after and doubled down.

argonautweakend posted...

for starters he lied once about his electoral vote margin. when asked he doubled down and said "i dont know. i was told that"

thats just one. it isnt a gaffe or he misspoke as he was questioned after and doubled down.

Oh no, he was misinformed and acted on it! he must be lying!

Look, I'm a firm believer that you have to have intent to deceive to be lying. How do we know any intent of deception was there? What would he have to gain by it, when the information is pretty out there anyways? I don't think Trump is the smartest guy on Earth, but I think he knew the information was out there. He probably just didn't care to fact check himself. Too busy doing whatever else he was doing.
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Zero_Maniac posted...

When did Trump lie? He's delivering on his promises, and I can't think of another situation where he lied.

Seriously? There are still people who think stuff like this? Our President has by far the most dishonest ranking of anyone from Politifact.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

And the New York Times has published a running list of all of his lies.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

This is a man who lies with such regularity that you cannot trust anything he says without getting it verified. Though the birther shit, he rose to political prominence on a lie, even! How could anyone possibly at this stage not understand that he is a liar?

Zero_Maniac posted...

Too busy doing whatever else he was doing.

Vacationing on public money?

SushiSquid posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

When did Trump lie? He's delivering on his promises, and I can't think of another situation where he lied.

Seriously? There are still people who think stuff like this? Our President has by far the most dishonest ranking of anyone from Politifact.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

And the New York Times has published a running list of all of his lies.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

This is a man who lies with such regularity that you cannot trust anything he says without getting it verified. Though the birther shit, he rose to political prominence on a lie, even! How could anyone possibly at this stage not understand that he is a liar?

Zero_Maniac posted...

Too busy doing whatever else he was doing.

Vacationing on public money?

NY Times is well-known for being biased against the right. As for Politifacts:

http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/16/running-data-politifact-shows-bias-conservatives/

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2013/05/28/study-finds-fact-checkers-biased-against-republicans

http://www.truthwiki.org/politifact-com/
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are his sources lying though?

argonautweakend posted...

are his sources lying though?

Depends on how you define lying. Do you count half-truths as lies? If so, then yeah, those sources probably do have lies in them. The Right is guilty of this sort of thing too, but the Left does this a lot more. I'll address one of the specific points of that nytimes source, though:

"'A reporter for Time magazine — and I have been on their cover 14 or 15 times. I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time magazine' (Trump was on the cover 11 times and Nixon appeared 55 times.)"

Lol. Again, Trump isn't the smartest nor best-informed guy. This can be chalked up to Nixon being fairly distant history at this point, and Trump just not caring enough to fact check himself before he blurts out something. Either way, this "lie" is really reaching and nitpicking. The other "lies" they list are similarly nitpicking and trivial. Why doesn't nytimes have a list of all of Hillary Clinton's lies? Her lies are just as numerous as Trumps "lies", and they actually matter.

washingtontimes.com has a sort of list of Hillary's lies (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/19/hillary-clintons-long-list-of-lies/), except it doesn't have all of them. It doesn't even include the lie where she said (years ago): "I believe marriage is not just a bond but a sacred bond between a man and a woman." Source:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I1-r1YgK9I

Nowadays, she clearly supports gay marriage. Look, by the time you're 25-30, your world views are pretty set in stone. She's clearly older than 30 in the above video, which leads me to believe that she is definitely lying. She never believed that marriage is a "sacred bond between a man and a woman." If this were the case, she wouldn't have been so okay with her husband cheating on her.

Point is, even sites like washingtontimes.com, which is supposedly right-leaning, doesn't keep a running tally of every single one of Hillary's lies, yet left-leaning sites like nytimes do keep an extensive list of Trump's lies. It's almost like the Left is getting super desperate and just wants to discredit Trump wherever they can, resorting to over-analyzing the smallest statements he makes. It's pathetic.
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The example you gave was a clear lie by Trump that he made because of his inflated ego and disregard for reality. Then you changed the subject and argued against Clinton, which has nothing to do with this discussion and only shows that you're here not to find truth, but to press opinion. That's not an argument.

My claim: President Trump cannot be trusted based on his statements alone.
My reason: The President is a known liar who is divorced from reality and will say anything to inflate his own ego.
My evidence: Here is a well-sourced list of falsehoods the President has claimed, along with some statistical analyses of how much he has been lying.

That is an argument. It is a presentation of a claim with reason and evidence. Do you actually have an argument or are you just here to post nonsense?

SushiSquid posted...

The President is a known liar

But this is begging the question, which is a logical fallacy. Stop acting like your reasoning is flawless when it's not.

Is he indeed a known liar? He is a known windbag and saying some pretty dumb things for sure, but lying is not part of his MO. Again, for there to be a lie, there has to be clear intent to deceive. I've yet to see any quote from Donald Trump where you can say, without reasonable doubt, that he is lying. All I've seen are nitpicks about the veracity of something he says that would not benefit him even if it was true. If there's no motive for the crime, it's safe to say that he probably didn't commit it.

SushiSquid posted...

Then you changed the subject and argued against Clinton, which has nothing to do with this discussion and only shows that you're here not to find truth

No, I didn't really change the subject. We're talking about lies here. I'm pointing out the obvious bias with the Left, and how they're so desperate to prove Trump is a liar yet don't care that they supported someone who is an actual known liar. They just want to bring Trump down to Hillary's level because they're still mad about the election. The real question is: Are you here to find the truth?

And yes, I know what an argument is. I'm not delusional like you leftists. I like how you accuse me of posting nonsense, yet you guys are literally hanging on Trump's every word in a sad attempt to discredit him.
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Zero_Maniac posted...

SushiSquid posted...

The President is a known liar

But this is begging the question, which is a logical fallacy. Stop acting like your reasoning is flawless when it's not.

Is he indeed a known liar? He is a known windbag and saying some pretty dumb things for sure, but lying is not part of his MO. Again, for there to be a lie, there has to be clear intent to deceive. I've yet to see any quote from Donald Trump where you can say, without reasonable doubt, that he is lying. All I've seen are nitpicks about the veracity of something he says that would not benefit him even if it was true. If there's no motive for the crime, it's safe to say that he probably didn't commit it.

So your point is Trump is such a blowhard that he can't lie? Umm okay.... the problem with that is his supporters believe everything he says as 100% true facts. I don't think being a guy that over exaggerates and lives in his own world on how things happen remove him from being labeled a liar.

I can give you plenty of examples where Trump is 100% lying..

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

I know since its the NY times you won't believe it but they list every lie and then give a source that proves otherwise.
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Monopoman posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

SushiSquid posted...

The President is a known liar

But this is begging the question, which is a logical fallacy. Stop acting like your reasoning is flawless when it's not.

Is he indeed a known liar? He is a known windbag and saying some pretty dumb things for sure, but lying is not part of his MO. Again, for there to be a lie, there has to be clear intent to deceive. I've yet to see any quote from Donald Trump where you can say, without reasonable doubt, that he is lying. All I've seen are nitpicks about the veracity of something he says that would not benefit him even if it was true. If there's no motive for the crime, it's safe to say that he probably didn't commit it.

So your point is Trump is such a blowhard that he can't lie? Umm okay.... the problem with that is his supporters believe everything he says as 100% true facts. I don't think being a guy that over exaggerates and lives in his own world on how things happen remove him from being labeled a liar.

No, my point is that he hasn't lied yet. I don't think Trump is incapable of lying lol. If he says, "I think gay marriage is a bad thing" and then goes on to say "Gay marriage is A-ok with me, and always has been" then yes, I will call him a liar right with you guys. Until that happens, I'm inclined to not read too much into what he says.
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Zero_Maniac posted...

Monopoman posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

SushiSquid posted...

The President is a known liar

But this is begging the question, which is a logical fallacy. Stop acting like your reasoning is flawless when it's not.

Is he indeed a known liar? He is a known windbag and saying some pretty dumb things for sure, but lying is not part of his MO. Again, for there to be a lie, there has to be clear intent to deceive. I've yet to see any quote from Donald Trump where you can say, without reasonable doubt, that he is lying. All I've seen are nitpicks about the veracity of something he says that would not benefit him even if it was true. If there's no motive for the crime, it's safe to say that he probably didn't commit it.

So your point is Trump is such a blowhard that he can't lie? Umm okay.... the problem with that is his supporters believe everything he says as 100% true facts. I don't think being a guy that over exaggerates and lives in his own world on how things happen remove him from being labeled a liar.

No, my point is that he hasn't lied yet. I don't think Trump is incapable of lying lol. If he says, "I think gay marriage is a bad thing" and then goes on to say "Gay marriage is A-ok with me, and always has been" then yes, I will call him a liar right with you guys. Until that happens, I'm inclined to not read too much into what he says.

He has lied look at the source above its the NY times so don't get too triggered though.
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Monopoman posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

Monopoman posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

SushiSquid posted...

The President is a known liar

But this is begging the question, which is a logical fallacy. Stop acting like your reasoning is flawless when it's not.

Is he indeed a known liar? He is a known windbag and saying some pretty dumb things for sure, but lying is not part of his MO. Again, for there to be a lie, there has to be clear intent to deceive. I've yet to see any quote from Donald Trump where you can say, without reasonable doubt, that he is lying. All I've seen are nitpicks about the veracity of something he says that would not benefit him even if it was true. If there's no motive for the crime, it's safe to say that he probably didn't commit it.

So your point is Trump is such a blowhard that he can't lie? Umm okay.... the problem with that is his supporters believe everything he says as 100% true facts. I don't think being a guy that over exaggerates and lives in his own world on how things happen remove him from being labeled a liar.

No, my point is that he hasn't lied yet. I don't think Trump is incapable of lying lol. If he says, "I think gay marriage is a bad thing" and then goes on to say "Gay marriage is A-ok with me, and always has been" then yes, I will call him a liar right with you guys. Until that happens, I'm inclined to not read too much into what he says.

He has lied look at the source above its the NY times so don't get too triggered though.

I already explained why that source is invalid, and even addressed a specific "lie" to prove my point. Also, I like how you're projecting.
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Zero_Maniac posted...

But this is begging the question, which is a logical fallacy. Stop acting like your reasoning is flawless when it's not.

Wow. You literally ignored the very next line. Reasons require evidence, you ignored the evidence, then you complained that I gave no evidence. Holy shit. Seriously?

I'm fucking done. I'll keep posting news in this topic as it comes up. You can keep living in a fantasy. You clearly don't care about finding truth, but about pushing an agenda. That's not an argument, it's a waste of time.

Zero_Maniac posted...

I already explained why that source is invalid, and even addressed a specific "lie" to prove my point.

Again, no you didn't. You ignored well-sourced evidence. But whatever. That's cool.

SushiSquid posted...

You clearly don't care about finding truth, but about pushing an agenda

I could say the same about you guys. You all clearly just want to discredit Trump at any cost. I wouldn't be surprised if a few of you support Antifa too.

SushiSquid posted...

Wow. You literally ignored the very next line. Reasons require evidence, you ignored the evidence, then you complained that I gave no evidence. Holy s***. Seriously?

Considering I told you why your "evidence" is unreliable at best, why should I act like you did give reliable evidence? You clearly ignored where I explained that your "evidence" comes from significantly biased sources, which renders them unreliable.
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Resorting to ad hominem attacks shows you don't have an argument, but okay, let's cover my background. I was a Republican before Donald Trump. I voted for McCain and Romney. I voted for Kasich in the primary this past season. You keep making these assumptions about me because you don't agree with me, but it's bullshit.

I care about my country, not some political party. Trump is a danger to this nation, and he's a liar. I cannot believe all of the Republicans who fell for his lies.

SushiSquid posted...

Resorting to ad hominem attacks shows you don't have an argument, but okay, let's cover my background. I was a Republican before Donald Trump. I voted for McCain and Romney. I voted for Kasich in the primary this past season. You keep making these assumptions about me because you don't agree with me, but it's bullshit.

I care about my country, not some political party. Trump is a danger to this nation, and he's a liar. I cannot believe all of the Republicans who fell for his lies.

I don't think I ever insulted anyone here. That's what an ad hominem is. If I did hurl an insult, it was at leftists in general, and if you're not a leftist, then it wasn't directed at you. You're just going off the rails here mate. Best call it quits.
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I don't think I ever insulted anyone here

Dude:

I wouldn't be surprised if a few of you support Antifa too.

SushiSquid posted...

I don't think I ever insulted anyone here

Dude:

I wouldn't be surprised if a few of you support Antifa too.

Not an insult, though. It's not like I said "I bet you guys support Antifa." I said "I wouldn't be surprised" which has a different meaning.

Sure, it's still an ad hominem though. Regardless, I stated my argument and point right before I used it, so your whole "You have no argument!" assertion is baseless.
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Zero_Maniac posted...

1. When did Trump lie? He's delivering on his promises, and I can't think of another situation where he lied.

Are you serious? You're... you're not actually going to make me list out the several hundred lies (and counting) that Trump has made during his candidacy and presidency, are you? Seriously, just Google "Donald Trump lies" - various organizations have running lists. Here's a few samples (and I'm not even going to count the wild exaggerations Trump usually makes, like his constant bragging about how he saved hundreds of millions of dollars on a jet deal that had already been pretty much finalized before he even took office):

"Between 3 million and 5 million illegal votes caused me to lose the popular vote" - There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud and elections officials of both parties have said that this statement is not true.

"So, look, when President Obama was there [Chicago] two weeks ago making a speech, very nice speech. Two people were shot and killed during his speech. You can't have that." - There were no gun deaths in Chicago on the day of the speech in question.

On the first travel ban: "Only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for questioning. Big problems at airports were caused by Delta computer outage." - Roughly 750 people were detained and questioned that we know about, another 60,000 were otherwise adversely affected, and the Delta computer issue he's referring to happened several days later.

"And yet the murder rate in our country is the highest it’s been in 47 years, right? Did you know that? Forty-seven years." - Trump has this almost completely backwards. The murder rate in the US has been falling almost uninterrupted since the 70s. The highest murder rate was in 1980 (10.2 per 100,000) and today it is just under half that.

"You look at what's happening in Germany, you look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this?” - Nothing of any notability happened in Sweden on the night in question.

"ICE came and endorsed me." - ICE did not endorse Donald Trump. The union which covers its workers did, but that's about as close to true as that claim gets.

“We have begun to drain the swamp of government corruption by imposing a five-year ban on lobbying by executive branch officials." - Executive branch officials are, to this day, free to become lobbyists. The only restriction is that they cannot lobby their former agency.

“It is so pathetic that the Dems have still not approved my full Cabinet.” - Trump hadn't even submitted the paperwork for two of the candidates at this point.

"Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my ‘wires tapped’ in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!" - Obama did not order Trump Tower to be wiretapped and would not have had the authority to do so even if he wanted to.

"122 vicious prisoners, released by the Obama Administration from Gitmo, have returned to the battlefield. Just another terrible decision!" - 119 of those prisoners were released by the Bush administration.

"I was in Tennessee - I was just telling the folks - and half of the state has no insurance company, and the other half is going to lose the insurance company." - All counties in Tennessee have at least one insurance company.

Zero_Maniac posted...

2. Assumptions are only bad when they're false.

OMG, you said "assumptions"! Now I can disregard your whole post.
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Zero_Maniac posted...

I don't think I ever insulted anyone here. That's what an ad hominem is.

Ad hominem isn't necessarily an insult (though it frequently is), it's any argument that attacks the opponent rather than their argument.

Zero_Maniac posted...

NY Times is well-known for being biased against the right. As for Politifacts:

http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/16/running-data-politifact-shows-bias-conservatives/
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2013/05/28/study-finds-fact-checkers-biased-against-republicans
http://www.truthwiki.org/politifact-com/

Your sources are one right-leaning news source, one strongly conservative online magazine, and one right-wing wiki that deals mostly in pseudoscience and conspiracy theories.

You... really don't get the concept of bias (or irony) do you?

Zero_Maniac posted...

Is he indeed a known liar? He is a known windbag and saying some pretty dumb things for sure, but lying is not part of his MO. Again, for there to be a lie, there has to be clear intent to deceive. I've yet to see any quote from Donald Trump where you can say, without reasonable doubt, that he is lying. All I've seen are nitpicks about the veracity of something he says that would not benefit him even if it was true. If there's no motive for the crime, it's safe to say that he probably didn't commit it.

Most of the quotes I gave above do indeed have incentive for him to claim that it's true (even if it's just assuaging his own massive ego).

But more to the point, whether the falsehoods were deliberate or not, they're still falsehoods. You can dance around whether to call them lies or not if that's what floats your boat, but at the end of the day it still means that there is good reason to doubt the veracity of his statements. Even if the fabrications are unintentional, it still means he tells falsehoods at a rate far higher than the average politician.

Zero_Maniac posted...

Nowadays, she clearly supports gay marriage. Look, by the time you're 25-30, your world views are pretty set in stone.

I'm guessing you're not much older than that yourself, then.

People's minds change. Happens all the time. Saying "Hillary was against gay marriage before she was for it" isn't proof of a lie; at best, it's proof that changing cultural attitudes and increased exposure changed her mind.

Zero_Maniac posted...

We're talking about lies here. I'm pointing out the obvious bias with the Left, and how they're so desperate to prove Trump is a liar yet don't care that they supported someone who is an actual known liar. They just want to bring Trump down to Hillary's level because they're still mad about the election.

Oh Good Lord.

I feel like there should be a version of Godwin's Law for conservatives - if you bring up Hillary in any discussion about Trump, you automatically forfeit the debate.

I'll give you a bit of insight here, Zero - liberals are pretty much done thinking about Hillary Clinton and have been for months. The election is over. Trump has given progressives plenty of reason to get angry that have absolutely nothing to do with the election in general.

You - and Trump, for that matter - seem confused as to why the media isn't talking about Clinton (or keeping a running tally of her lies - and, yes, they did that during the election i.e. the last time it was at all relevant to do so). It's because she's not a candidate anymore - Trump already beat her. You can stop talking about her now.

Conservatives are weird, sometimes. I'm pretty sure Obama wasn't talking about McCain or Romney six months after the '08/'12 elections.
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darkknight109 posted...

You - and Trump, for that matter - seem confused as to why the media isn't talking about Clinton (or keeping a running tally of her lies - and, yes, they did that during the election i.e. the last time it was at all relevant to do so). It's because she's not a candidate anymore - Trump already beat her. You can stop talking about her now.

But her emails!
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darkknight109 posted...

I feel like there should be a version of Godwin's Law for conservatives - if you bring up Hillary in any discussion about Trump, you automatically forfeit the debate.

Mhmm.
Talk about sore winners. It's like they think this politics thing isn't just a giant pendulum.
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Zero_Maniac posted...

SushiSquid posted...

I don't think I ever insulted anyone here

Dude:

I wouldn't be surprised if a few of you support Antifa too.

Not an insult, though. It's not like I said "I bet you guys support Antifa." I said "I wouldn't be surprised" which has a different meaning.

Sure, it's still an ad hominem though. Regardless, I stated my argument and point right before I used it, so your whole "You have no argument!" assertion is baseless.

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The whole thing was perfectly innocent discussion about adopting little baby kislyak.
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plagamesforeva posted...

I am still in shock that less than half of Americans thought it was smart to vote for Trump. I'm still waiting for an intelligent reason(s) as to why that was such a great idea.

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darkknight109 posted...

You - and Trump, for that matter - seem confused as to why the media isn't talking about Clinton (or keeping a running tally of her lies - and, yes, they did that during the election i.e. the last time it was at all relevant to do so). It's because she's not a candidate anymore - Trump already beat her. You can stop talking about her now.

Both sides do this constantly. The funny part is people like yourself will bring this up and then, completely missing the irony, directly follow it up with... "b-b-but trump!"

OhhhJa posted...

darkknight109 posted...

You - and Trump, for that matter - seem confused as to why the media isn't talking about Clinton (or keeping a running tally of her lies - and, yes, they did that during the election i.e. the last time it was at all relevant to do so). It's because she's not a candidate anymore - Trump already beat her. You can stop talking about her now.

Both sides do this constantly. The funny part is people like yourself will bring this up and then, completely missing the irony, directly follow it up with... "b-b-but trump!"

Um... yes. Because Trump is the president now. He and his dumb opinions matter. They have real world consequences. That is why he's talked about all the time and Hillary isn't.

I mean... You... you are aware he won... right? Hillary isn't the president. Is that why...

Oh God, I figured it out, guys! Someone forgot to tell Donald Trump and his voters that he actually won the election! That's why they're so confused why there isn't more coverage of Clinton and why everyone's making a big deal about everything he does! They think Hillary won!

Quick, someone e-mail Breitbart and Fox & Friends and get them to run a story on this!
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darkknight109 posted...

They think Hillary won!

That would explain why they can't accomplish anything with their trifecta.
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darkknight109 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

darkknight109 posted...

You - and Trump, for that matter - seem confused as to why the media isn't talking about Clinton (or keeping a running tally of her lies - and, yes, they did that during the election i.e. the last time it was at all relevant to do so). It's because she's not a candidate anymore - Trump already beat her. You can stop talking about her now.

Both sides do this constantly. The funny part is people like yourself will bring this up and then, completely missing the irony, directly follow it up with... "b-b-but trump!"

Um... yes. Because Trump is the president now. He and his dumb opinions matter. They have real world consequences. That is why he's talked about all the time and Hillary isn't.

I mean... You... you are aware he won... right? Hillary isn't the president. Is that why...

Oh God, I figured it out, guys! Someone forgot to tell Donald Trump and his voters that he actually won the election! That's why they're so confused why there isn't more coverage of Clinton and why everyone's making a big deal about everything he does! They think Hillary won!

Quick, someone e-mail Breitbart and Fox & Friends and get them to run a story on this!

So immature of you. I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy. People like you would deflect to bush when someone mentioned Obama's transgressions

Lightning Bolt posted...

darkknight109 posted...

They think Hillary won!

That would explain why they can't accomplished anything with their trifecta.

:O
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Bush was president so its at least somewhat relevant to point to his failures.

hillary was never president and trump fans care about her way more than those of us who even voted for her. I havent had a thing to say about her in months.

OhhhJa posted...

So immature of you. I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy. People like you would deflect to bush when someone mentioned Obama's transgressions

Except that:
a) I never did that, so it's kind of pointless for you to bring this up as an argument against me. Nice strawman argument, though.
b) As argonaut just pointed out, comparisons between Bush and Obama were at least valid in that both held the same office. See, I don't get as annoyed when Trump voters bring up Obama ("At least he's standing up for us on the world stage, unlike Obama did!"), because even though it's frequently used as a deflection tactic to steer conversation away from Trump's failings, it's still valid to compare the current president to past ones. But Trump voters' ongoing obsession with Hillary Clinton isn't analogous to Obama supporters bringing up Bush, it would be analogous to Obama voters talking about how evil Mitt Romney was half a year after he lost the election, which is something that never happened on anywhere near as widespread a scale as we're seeing with the Clinton comparisons (and certainly not by Obama himself - I can't recall seeing any disparaging comments made about Romney after the election was over).

Clinton lost the election and is now effectively a political nobody. Time to go find a new boogeyman.
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Did anyone else notice that Zeus abandoned this topic and suddenly this Zero guy (someone I had never seen on this board or anywhere) has shown up and is fellating Trump just like Zeus?
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Erik_P posted...

Did anyone else notice that Zeus abandoned this topic and suddenly this Zero guy (someone I had never seen on this board or anywhere) has shown up and is fellating Trump just like Zeus?

Yup.
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OhhhJa posted...

darkknight109 posted...

You - and Trump, for that matter - seem confused as to why the media isn't talking about Clinton (or keeping a running tally of her lies - and, yes, they did that during the election i.e. the last time it was at all relevant to do so). It's because she's not a candidate anymore - Trump already beat her. You can stop talking about her now.

Both sides do this constantly. The funny part is people like yourself will bring this up and then, completely missing the irony, directly follow it up with... "b-b-but trump!"

Yeah, after 2012, the media was constantly reporting on Mitt Romney. They couldn't get enough of digging into his every statement and public appearance to mine for dirt. It was a constant media blitz on Mitt Romney in 2013, it sure was!