Current Events > Which would win? Bat or Knife? >_>

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You're in a fight to the death with another man equal to your size. You're offered either an aluminum baseball bat or a 6-inch non-serrated knife, knowing that the other weapon you don't choose goes to your opponent.


Which do you choose?
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The knife, lol.
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bat easy, distance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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reach would give a huge advantage

so yeah bat
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Pseudo_Legacy posted...

reach would give a huge advantage

so yeah bat

But you need to put a lot of power in a swing to do any damage and if you miss you're wide open.

While a knife you just need to do a quick stab and you got them. Plus if the bat doesn't hit your head or legs, you could possibly even tank the hit and go right in.
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Batman
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definitely bat
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Knife.

It's harder than you would expect to beat a guy to death with a two-handed blunt instrument.

You've got to keep him at a distance until you've done enough damage to just start smiting him on the ground like the fist of an angry god.

Meanwhile with the knife, all that's needed is one or two good hits.

Let him take the haymaker swing, dance in just behind it, stabbity stab stab. Or just charge in, the bat needs a wind-up and a pitch. Take whatever feeble swing they can give, stabbity stab stab.

It works, I've done it (in sparring situations, I haven't killed people).
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DrizztLink posted...

It works, I've done it (in sparring situations, I haven't killed people).

I'm glad you clarified that >_>


Team Knife ftw
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bat because reach

it's like spear vs nunchucks
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NeonOctopus posted...

I'm glad you clarified that >_>

Well yes. I don't want people to think I'm dangerous.

Clarified to show that I'm not some kind of street fighting badass, just a guy with a bit of training.
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NeonOctopus posted...

But you need to put a lot of power in a swing to do any damage and if you miss you're wide open.

To do real damage yeah. But some quick swings without that much power still hurt a lot and would definitely cause interruptions to any attack they would do. It's also hard to block with or dodge due to the range, and the initial blows don't have to be anywhere significant. Aim for the legs initially, then go to town
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Also who's to say you can't jab in a knife-like motion with the bat? It's quicker than taking a swing and will still do some damage and maybe take your opponent off guard because he wasn't expecting you to use it that way. After some jabs then you can take a full swing after your opponent gets dazed
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bat. you'll get the first hit. when the opponent is stun, you can smash his head off
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WaterLink posted...

But some quick swings without that much power still hurt a lot

Not really.

I've taken some hits like that. They don't accomplish much.
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DrizztLink posted...

WaterLink posted...

But some quick swings without that much power still hurt a lot

Not really.

I've taken some hits like that. They don't accomplish much.

With an aluminum bat? I had a friend break his finger at BP before because he walked behind someone taking practice swings and he caught the end of someone simply setting up his stance again (i.e. not an actual swing, probably like half power swing at most and even that's stretching it). If it was a wood bat then maybe I could see it, but an aluminum? Shits dense as fuck yo.
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I'd be a lot more scared of a knife than a bat. So I'll take the knife on that alone.
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This topic...

Everybody who chose knife is probably dead.

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No way. Bat guys are probably dead.
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WaterLink posted...

With an aluminum bat?

Yeah.

Your friend got blindsided. There's a difference between catching a swing you didn't see and one you expect.

Fingers are pretty frail. Doesn't take much of anything to break one.

Your forearm bones aren't much more durable than broomsticks, but the muscle and tissue diffuse the impact if you block correctly.

I'm not saying you're gonna walk out of this party feeling good, but you'll be better than the other guy.
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Eh, I'll take the knife. I'm sure with adrenaline running that I could take a hit from the bat and drop the person after their insides fall out. It doesn't help that you need distance for the bat to really be effective.

No. Two equally trained people of similar size, bat wins all the time every time.
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The bat

You have range on your side. Go for weak spots and you have it

The knife has to be close to do damage

PokeRocksUSA posted...

Eh, I'll take the knife. I'm sure with adrenaline running that I could take a hit from the bat and drop the person after their insides fall out. It doesn't help that you need distance for the bat to really be effective.

Do you know how much cutting you'd have to do to spill someone's insides with a knife?

Haldol posted...

The bat

You have range on your side. Go for weak spots and you have it

The knife has to be close to do damage

But you see, the issue with that is it's easier to close distance than you'd expect.

Cops are trained to know that if someone is within ~25 feet, they can get to you before you can draw and ready your gun.

If the bat guy makes one mistake, knife guy is inside his swing and stabbing him many times.

Haldol posted...

Do you know how much cutting you'd have to do to spill someone's insides with a knife?

With my go-to knife, less than you'd expect.

But you don't need to disembowel a guy to put him down. One or two stabs to the solar plexus, a team of surgeons wouldn't be able to help him if they were watching for whatever reason.
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DrizztLink posted...

WaterLink posted...

With an aluminum bat?

Yeah.

Your friend got blindsided. There's a difference between catching a swing you didn't see and one you expect.

Fingers are pretty frail. Doesn't take much of anything to break one.

Your forearm bones aren't much more durable than broomsticks, but the muscle and tissue diffuse the impact if you block correctly.

I'm not saying you're gonna walk out of this party feeling good, but you'll be better than the other guy.

You're talking about blocking properly well there are many techniques to disarm someone with a knife if you do it properly as well.
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Haldol posted...

PokeRocksUSA posted...

Eh, I'll take the knife. I'm sure with adrenaline running that I could take a hit from the bat and drop the person after their insides fall out. It doesn't help that you need distance for the bat to really be effective.

Do you know how much cutting you'd have to do to spill someone's insides with a knife?

Have you ever seen a puncture wound to the gut? The pressure from your insides already has intestines leaking out from a single puncture wound, especially from a six inch blade. I'm not talking about superficial slicing-- this is a death match lol

knife

one missed swing with the bat and you're dead
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WaterLink posted...

DrizztLink posted...

WaterLink posted...

With an aluminum bat?

Yeah.

Your friend got blindsided. There's a difference between catching a swing you didn't see and one you expect.

Fingers are pretty frail. Doesn't take much of anything to break one.

Your forearm bones aren't much more durable than broomsticks, but the muscle and tissue diffuse the impact if you block correctly.

I'm not saying you're gonna walk out of this party feeling good, but you'll be better than the other guy.

You're talking about blocking properly well there are many techniques to disarm someone with a knife if you do it properly as well.

If you have hands available.

Little different when you're clutching the bat.

Admittedly, I'm looking at it from the side of the knife guy knowing what he's doing.

If bat guy is capable, he could end it with one good hit.

Bat guy just needs more skill/luck compared to knife guy.
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DrizztLink posted...

Haldol posted...

The bat

You have range on your side. Go for weak spots and you have it

The knife has to be close to do damage

But you see, the issue with that is it's easier to close distance than you'd expect.

Cops are trained to know that if someone is within ~25 feet, they can get to you before you can draw and ready your gun.

If the bat guy makes one mistake, knife guy is inside his swing and stabbing him many times.

In the case of drawing, aiming, and firing a gun yes.

Swinging a bat is much faster

Haldol posted...

DrizztLink posted...

Haldol posted...

The bat

You have range on your side. Go for weak spots and you have it

The knife has to be close to do damage

But you see, the issue with that is it's easier to close distance than you'd expect.

Cops are trained to know that if someone is within ~25 feet, they can get to you before you can draw and ready your gun.

If the bat guy makes one mistake, knife guy is inside his swing and stabbing him many times.

In the case of drawing, aiming, and firing a gun yes.

Swinging a bat is much faster

And predictable.

I've dodged punches, I've dodged kicks, I've dodged paintballs from about 45 feet away, I've dodged responsibility...

A bat swing isn't that difficult.
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The bat

Point to the stands, then homerun your opponent out the area
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DrizztLink posted...

WaterLink posted...

But some quick swings without that much power still hurt a lot

Not really.

I've taken some hits like that. They don't accomplish much.

Lmao why were people hitting you with a bat??
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--kresnik-- posted...

DrizztLink posted...

WaterLink posted...

But some quick swings without that much power still hurt a lot

Not really.

I've taken some hits like that. They don't accomplish much.

Lmao why were people hitting you with a bat??

Fight club got weird.

Yes, I was in a fight club.
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DrizztLink posted...

WaterLink posted...

DrizztLink posted...

WaterLink posted...

With an aluminum bat?

Yeah.

Your friend got blindsided. There's a difference between catching a swing you didn't see and one you expect.

Fingers are pretty frail. Doesn't take much of anything to break one.

Your forearm bones aren't much more durable than broomsticks, but the muscle and tissue diffuse the impact if you block correctly.

I'm not saying you're gonna walk out of this party feeling good, but you'll be better than the other guy.

You're talking about blocking properly well there are many techniques to disarm someone with a knife if you do it properly as well.

If you have hands available.

Little different when you're clutching the bat.

Admittedly, I'm looking at it from the side of the knife guy knowing what he's doing.

If bat guy is capable, he could end it with one good hit.

Bat guy just needs more skill/luck compared to knife guy.

You can one hand a bat. They're not really that heavy. There's more way to approach an attack with a bat than a two handed home run swing
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knife

block the bat once and stab the guy
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You can use da bat to swat ther knife away from his hands, you can't to dat too a bat with a knife
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thronedfire2 posted...

knife

block the bat once and stab the guy

You block the bat, he blocks your knife swing. Rinse and repeat. You have taken multiple bat swings to multiple parts of your body, he hasn't taken any damage from you. You lose.
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Dude, I'm gonna hammer the shit out of your head or knees.

Nobody is tanking an aluminum bat. If I missed with a bat, I missed with a knife.


Bat.
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It's funny how knifes seem to be a lot more popular weapon with criminals. Guess they're just too stupid to use a superior weapon

Complete_Idi0t posted...

It's funny how knifes seem to be a lot more popular weapon with criminals. Guess they're just too stupid to use a superior weapon

Or ya know, it's easier to conceal.

And yes I do know that I am responding to a troll post.
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Extendable batons are pretty easy to conceal

Complete_Idi0t posted...

Extendable batons are pretty easy to conceal

That's not a bat.
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bump
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Bat is good for people with no training, which I would assume few if any have here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-m4_0q9Ftg
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Assuming both combatants aren't wearing any protective gear?

If the knife in question is designed to stab and slash, I'd go with that.

Despite having shorter range, a knife is quicker and there isn't as much recovery time if you miss. It also doesn't take much time to reach lethal velocities with a knife stab. A reverse hand grip will allow the user to land a quick and lethal stab.

A bat will require a decent swing to be able to deal enough blunt damage to stun someone. A bat can't quickly land decisive strikes like a knife can. Plus a bat can't deal effective damage at very close range. The handle doesn't have enough mass to deal an effective hilt strike either. The bat user will need to keep the knife user out of range at all times. He also has to make sure he doesn't miss or he will be wide open.

If the bat was required with a spear however, then the choice would be clear.

Whoever lands the first hit wins but if the knife user gets close enough he wins.
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DrizztLink posted...

Haldol posted...

DrizztLink posted...

Haldol posted...

The bat

You have range on your side. Go for weak spots and you have it

The knife has to be close to do damage

But you see, the issue with that is it's easier to close distance than you'd expect.

Cops are trained to know that if someone is within ~25 feet, they can get to you before you can draw and ready your gun.

If the bat guy makes one mistake, knife guy is inside his swing and stabbing him many times.

In the case of drawing, aiming, and firing a gun yes.

Swinging a bat is much faster

And predictable.

I've dodged punches, I've dodged kicks, I've dodged paintballs from about 45 feet away, I've dodged responsibility...

A bat swing isn't that difficult.

So is a knife swing or thrust with the average person. You're making the knife guy seem like some Navy seal and the bat guy seem like an idiot. No one swings bat from 45 feet away unless they're playing baseball.

Not to mention most people aren't that fast. I don't know what kinda of training you have, but most people can't do what you've claimed to have done very easily.

There are several things you can do with a bat to beat a guy with a knife. Swing at his arms (Which you just claimed aren't very durable). Dodge the knife and swing at his head one handed (Which with your added range shouldn't be that hard). Use the bat to parry his thrust, etc.

If it's a giant flying fox, than sure.
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