Current Events > If you knew your child would be born transgender, but there was a pre-natal cure

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shnangyboos 07/18/17 3:48:05 AM #101:	Anyone saying no would probably be the type to want their child to be trans. --- How's my posting? Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns. <cite>shnangyboos posted [p:883125467] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote>Anyone saying no would probably be the type to want their child to be trans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/18/17 3:49:49 AM #102:	Valfalk posted... i have multiple transgender friends and they are all extremely depressed gender dysphoria is a cruel disease so yes assuming you could stop gender dysphoria pre-birth i absolutely would Every study out there regarding childhood transitioners shows they're as happy or more so than their peers. And much more than those who couldn't until they're adults aka post puberty. The biggest hurdle is actually having our genders recognized, respected and having legal rights that are protected without needing to have lawyers or the ACLU involved for years at a time. For instance there's a doomsday bill that will revoke all trans rights save a few in the cities/ states that passed their own. But without the federal ones, it would make most of them much harder to enforce in any notable capacity. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:883125505] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Valfalk posted...</cite> <quote>i have multiple transgender friends and they are all extremely depressed gender dysphoria is a cruel disease so yes assuming you could stop gender dysphoria pre-birth i absolutely would</quote> Every study out there regarding childhood transitioners shows they're as happy or more so than their peers. And much more than those who couldn't until they're adults aka post puberty. The biggest hurdle is actually having our genders recognized, respected and having legal rights that are protected without needing to have lawyers or the ACLU involved for years at a time. For instance there's a doomsday bill that will revoke all trans rights save a few in the cities/ states that passed their own. But without the federal ones, it would make most of them much harder to enforce in any notable capacity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperVegito2487 07/18/17 3:51:30 AM #103:	X777WgpUYZ5Hv23 posted... would do it for a child that would be gay too. Too much discrimination Yeah thats where im sitting as well. Both transgenders and homosexuals cant live the easiest life around due to discrimination and what not. If you can save your child from those difficulties and the pain and sorrow, why not do it? Espicially with what little i know of "Gender dysphobia" or whatever the name is... from what i understand no human being deserves the pain that those scenarios will automatically bring. --- L.J.Gibbs: Rule 51: "Sometimes You're Wrong." <cite>SuperVegito2487 posted [p:883125542] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>X777WgpUYZ5Hv23 posted...</cite> <quote>would do it for a child that would be gay too. Too much discrimination</quote> Yeah thats where im sitting as well. Both transgenders and homosexuals cant live the easiest life around due to discrimination and what not. If you can save your child from those difficulties and the pain and sorrow, why not do it? Espicially with what little i know of "Gender dysphobia" or whatever the name is... from what i understand no human being deserves the pain that those scenarios will automatically bring.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/18/17 3:56:43 AM #104:	SuperVegito2487 posted... X777WgpUYZ5Hv23 posted... would do it for a child that would be gay too. Too much discrimination Yeah thats where im sitting as well. Both transgenders and homosexuals cant live the easiest life around due to discrimination and what not. If you can save your child from those difficulties and the pain and sorrow, why not do it? Espicially with what little i know of "Gender dysphobia" or whatever the name is... from what i understand no human being deserves the pain that those scenarios will automatically bring. But by unwittingly erasing them, you're demonstrating that you literally would erase gay people from existence. That's not helping with them be accepted. It's false virtue signaling at best. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:883125654] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>SuperVegito2487 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>X777WgpUYZ5Hv23 posted...</cite> <quote>would do it for a child that would be gay too. Too much discrimination</quote> Yeah thats where im sitting as well. Both transgenders and homosexuals cant live the easiest life around due to discrimination and what not. If you can save your child from those difficulties and the pain and sorrow, why not do it? Espicially with what little i know of "Gender dysphobia" or whatever the name is... from what i understand no human being deserves the pain that those scenarios will automatically bring.</quote> But by unwittingly erasing them, you're demonstrating that you literally would erase gay people from existence. That's not helping with them be accepted. It's false virtue signaling at best.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DocileOrangeCup 07/18/17 3:59:20 AM #105:	Monday posted... I can't imagine any trans people who'd be against this. Transgenderism is a mental illness. You're talking about being able to cure it right out of the gate. It's lunacy to be against such an idea. --- https://i.imgtc.com/usDFlRA.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/GSrk8Nh.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/yo9VSX9.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/Sh3lG7g.jpg http://gamefaqs.com/boards/1377 <cite>DocileOrangeCup posted [p:883125705] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Monday posted...</cite> <quote>I can't imagine any trans people who'd be against this. Transgenderism is a mental illness. You're talking about being able to cure it right out of the gate. It's lunacy to be against such an idea.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 07/18/17 4:02:07 AM #106:	gunplagirl posted... Valfalk posted... i have multiple transgender friends and they are all extremely depressed gender dysphoria is a cruel disease so yes assuming you could stop gender dysphoria pre-birth i absolutely would Every study out there regarding childhood transitioners shows they're as happy or more so than their peers. And much more than those who couldn't until they're adults aka post puberty. The biggest hurdle is actually having our genders recognized, respected and having legal rights that are protected without needing to have lawyers or the ACLU involved for years at a time. For instance there's a doomsday bill that will revoke all trans rights save a few in the cities/ states that passed their own. But without the federal ones, it would make most of them much harder to enforce in any notable capacity. And how about actually having to take all those medications and hormones and shit? Wouldn't you rather just, you know, physically be the sex you want to be? It's like saying your child should grow up with diabetes because using insulin and having to meticulously watch your meals isn't that much effort anyway rather than have them not have it at the beginning. But then again, you're one of those true snowflake types who thinks being disabled is a part of your identity and proud of it so you can show off how different you are. Honestly, I'm betting a small part of you would actually be more willing to MAKE your child transgender if something like that existed. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:883125758] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Valfalk posted...</cite> <quote>i have multiple transgender friends and they are all extremely depressed gender dysphoria is a cruel disease so yes assuming you could stop gender dysphoria pre-birth i absolutely would</quote> Every study out there regarding childhood transitioners shows they're as happy or more so than their peers. And much more than those who couldn't until they're adults aka post puberty. The biggest hurdle is actually having our genders recognized, respected and having legal rights that are protected without needing to have lawyers or the ACLU involved for years at a time. For instance there's a doomsday bill that will revoke all trans rights save a few in the cities/ states that passed their own. But without the federal ones, it would make most of them much harder to enforce in any notable capacity.</quote> And how about actually having to take all those medications and hormones and shit? Wouldn't you rather just, you know, physically be the sex you want to be? It's like saying your child should grow up with diabetes because using insulin and having to meticulously watch your meals isn't that much effort anyway rather than have them not have it at the beginning. But then again, you're one of those true snowflake types who thinks being disabled is a part of your identity and proud of it so you can show off how different you are. Honestly, I'm betting a small part of you would actually be more willing to MAKE your child transgender if something like that existed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/18/17 4:08:35 AM #107:	GiftedACIII posted... gunplagirl posted... Valfalk posted... i have multiple transgender friends and they are all extremely depressed gender dysphoria is a cruel disease so yes assuming you could stop gender dysphoria pre-birth i absolutely would Every study out there regarding childhood transitioners shows they're as happy or more so than their peers. And much more than those who couldn't until they're adults aka post puberty. The biggest hurdle is actually having our genders recognized, respected and having legal rights that are protected without needing to have lawyers or the ACLU involved for years at a time. For instance there's a doomsday bill that will revoke all trans rights save a few in the cities/ states that passed their own. But without the federal ones, it would make most of them much harder to enforce in any notable capacity. And how about actually having to take all those medications and hormones and shit? Wouldn't you rather just, you know, physically be the sex you want to be? It's like saying your child should grow up with diabetes because using insulin and having to meticulously watch your meals isn't that much effort anyway rather than have them not have it at the beginning. But then again, you're one of those true snowflake types who thinks being disabled is a part of your identity and proud of it so you can show off how different you are. Honestly, I'm betting a small part of you would actually be more willing to MAKE your child transgender if something like that existed. "I don't care if my child is a boy or girl, I'll love them regardless. Unless they're gay, bi or trans." The official cis motto of always. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:883125903] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Valfalk posted...</cite> <quote>i have multiple transgender friends and they are all extremely depressed gender dysphoria is a cruel disease so yes assuming you could stop gender dysphoria pre-birth i absolutely would</quote> Every study out there regarding childhood transitioners shows they're as happy or more so than their peers. And much more than those who couldn't until they're adults aka post puberty. The biggest hurdle is actually having our genders recognized, respected and having legal rights that are protected without needing to have lawyers or the ACLU involved for years at a time. For instance there's a doomsday bill that will revoke all trans rights save a few in the cities/ states that passed their own. But without the federal ones, it would make most of them much harder to enforce in any notable capacity.</quote> And how about actually having to take all those medications and hormones and shit? Wouldn't you rather just, you know, physically be the sex you want to be? It's like saying your child should grow up with diabetes because using insulin and having to meticulously watch your meals isn't that much effort anyway rather than have them not have it at the beginning. But then again, you're one of those true snowflake types who thinks being disabled is a part of your identity and proud of it so you can show off how different you are. Honestly, I'm betting a small part of you would actually be more willing to MAKE your child transgender if something like that existed.</quote> "I don't care if my child is a boy or girl, I'll love them regardless. Unless they're gay, bi or trans." The official cis motto of always.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperVegito2487 07/18/17 4:25:59 AM #108:	gunplagirl posted... But by unwittingly erasing them, you're demonstrating that you literally would erase gay people from existence. That's not helping with them be accepted. It's false virtue signaling at best. then i must have misunderstood. i saw it as the child would still be born just without gender dysphobia which ive heard makes some people commit suicide. --- L.J.Gibbs: Rule 51: "Sometimes You're Wrong." <cite>SuperVegito2487 posted [p:883126307] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>But by unwittingly erasing them, you're demonstrating that you literally would erase gay people from existence. That's not helping with them be accepted. It's false virtue signaling at best.</quote> then i must have misunderstood. i saw it as the child would still be born just without gender dysphobia which ive heard makes some people commit suicide.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 07/18/17 4:26:09 AM #109:	gunplagirl posted... GiftedACIII posted... gunplagirl posted... Valfalk posted... i have multiple transgender friends and they are all extremely depressed gender dysphoria is a cruel disease so yes assuming you could stop gender dysphoria pre-birth i absolutely would Every study out there regarding childhood transitioners shows they're as happy or more so than their peers. And much more than those who couldn't until they're adults aka post puberty. The biggest hurdle is actually having our genders recognized, respected and having legal rights that are protected without needing to have lawyers or the ACLU involved for years at a time. For instance there's a doomsday bill that will revoke all trans rights save a few in the cities/ states that passed their own. But without the federal ones, it would make most of them much harder to enforce in any notable capacity. And how about actually having to take all those medications and hormones and shit? Wouldn't you rather just, you know, physically be the sex you want to be? It's like saying your child should grow up with diabetes because using insulin and having to meticulously watch your meals isn't that much effort anyway rather than have them not have it at the beginning. But then again, you're one of those true snowflake types who thinks being disabled is a part of your identity and proud of it so you can show off how different you are. Honestly, I'm betting a small part of you would actually be more willing to MAKE your child transgender if something like that existed. "I don't care if my child is a boy or girl, I'll love them regardless. Unless they're gay, bi or trans." The official cis motto of always. Gay and bi people don't desire and have no need to be straight. Trans people literally by definition WANT to be the other sex and their goal is to be as much of the opposite sex as possible. They don't want to be the brain trapped in the wrong body. If there's a one time magical ray that turns you into the opposite sex permanently they would take it in a heartbeat. And that's exactly what this hypothetical scenario is, saving your child from having to deal with hormones and the inner conflict of knowing their chromosomes and organs are of the opposite sex. There's nothing for gay and bi people to have to deal with other than society. ...Unless you're saying being trans itself is the thing you desire, not the opposite sex and that if a magical ray that could turn you into the other sex permanently exists you wouldn't take it since the idea that you're in the wrong body is what makes you special? --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:883126313] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Valfalk posted...</cite> <quote>i have multiple transgender friends and they are all extremely depressed gender dysphoria is a cruel disease so yes assuming you could stop gender dysphoria pre-birth i absolutely would</quote> Every study out there regarding childhood transitioners shows they're as happy or more so than their peers. And much more than those who couldn't until they're adults aka post puberty. The biggest hurdle is actually having our genders recognized, respected and having legal rights that are protected without needing to have lawyers or the ACLU involved for years at a time. For instance there's a doomsday bill that will revoke all trans rights save a few in the cities/ states that passed their own. But without the federal ones, it would make most of them much harder to enforce in any notable capacity.</quote> And how about actually having to take all those medications and hormones and shit? Wouldn't you rather just, you know, physically be the sex you want to be? It's like saying your child should grow up with diabetes because using insulin and having to meticulously watch your meals isn't that much effort anyway rather than have them not have it at the beginning. But then again, you're one of those true snowflake types who thinks being disabled is a part of your identity and proud of it so you can show off how different you are. Honestly, I'm betting a small part of you would actually be more willing to MAKE your child transgender if something like that existed.</quote> "I don't care if my child is a boy or girl, I'll love them regardless. Unless they're gay, bi or trans." The official cis motto of always.</quote> Gay and bi people don't desire and have no need to be straight. Trans people literally by definition WANT to be the other sex and their goal is to be as much of the opposite sex as possible. They don't want to be the brain trapped in the wrong body. If there's a one time magical ray that turns you into the opposite sex permanently they would take it in a heartbeat. And that's exactly what this hypothetical scenario is, saving your child from having to deal with hormones and the inner conflict of knowing their chromosomes and organs are of the opposite sex. There's nothing for gay and bi people to have to deal with other than society. ...Unless you're saying being trans itself is the thing you desire, not the opposite sex and that if a magical ray that could turn you into the other sex permanently exists you wouldn't take it since the idea that you're in the wrong body is what makes you special?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/18/17 4:31:54 AM #110:	Such a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is to be trans and what curing it prior to birth would entail. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:883126445] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote>Such a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is to be trans and what curing it prior to birth would entail.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HBK 07/18/17 4:41:58 AM #111:	gunplagirl posted... jesus christ you cannot be this stupid like you're not a real person right --- I'm just a Sexy Boy <cite>HBK posted [p:883126657] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> jesus christ you cannot be this stupid like you're not a real person right</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 07/18/17 4:45:42 AM #112:	gunplagirl posted... Such a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is to be trans and what curing it prior to birth would entail. Then explain it. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:883126720] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Such a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is to be trans and what curing it prior to birth would entail.</quote> Then explain it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mandasnake 07/18/17 4:49:03 AM #113:	HBK posted... gunplagirl posted... jesus christ you cannot be this stupid like you're not a real person right Negi is a gimmick --- Paging...Dr. Snakes Gorbachev <cite>Mandasnake posted [p:883126784] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>HBK posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> jesus christ you cannot be this stupid like you're not a real person right</quote> Negi is a gimmick</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HBK 07/18/17 4:50:54 AM #114:	Mandasnake posted... HBK posted... gunplagirl posted... jesus christ you cannot be this stupid like you're not a real person right Negi is a gimmick i keep being told that so i hope you're right but man if they are real then that is insane --- I'm just a Sexy Boy <cite>HBK posted [p:883126836] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mandasnake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HBK posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> jesus christ you cannot be this stupid like you're not a real person right</quote> Negi is a gimmick</quote> i keep being told that so i hope you're right but man if they are real then that is insane</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/18/17 4:51:12 AM #115:	GiftedACIII posted... gunplagirl posted... Such a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is to be trans and what curing it prior to birth would entail. Then explain it. On the internet, where nearly recorded knowledge of man's history, you can't find it on your own? I charge clients for services. And emotional labor and teaching costs extra. Send me your PayPal and I'll send you an invoice. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:883126846] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Such a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is to be trans and what curing it prior to birth would entail.</quote> Then explain it.</quote> On the internet, where nearly recorded knowledge of man's history, you can't find it on your own? I charge clients for services. And emotional labor and teaching costs extra. Send me your PayPal and I'll send you an invoice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/18/17 4:52:42 AM #116:	Mandasnake posted... HBK posted... gunplagirl posted... jesus christ you cannot be this stupid like you're not a real person right Negi is a gimmick It never was capitalized and I'm hardly trolling right now. Only active troll posts I have are in a hidden board in a topic for people to share pictures of the worst bait they've ever seen --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:883126884] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mandasnake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HBK posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> jesus christ you cannot be this stupid like you're not a real person right</quote> Negi is a gimmick</quote> It never was capitalized and I'm hardly trolling right now. Only active troll posts I have are in a hidden board in a topic for people to share pictures of the worst bait they've ever seen</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 07/18/17 5:01:46 AM #117:	gunplagirl posted... GiftedACIII posted... gunplagirl posted... Such a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is to be trans and what curing it prior to birth would entail. Then explain it. On the internet, where nearly recorded knowledge of man's history, you can't find it on your own? I charge clients for services. And emotional labor and teaching costs extra. Send me your PayPal and I'll send you an invoice. I already have and all scientific studies and articles point to what I posted. You've likely been brainwashed by mentally ill tumblr outcast blogs who say you can be transanimals and that's why you're so afraid to share them, instead opting to go the shitposter with no actual evidence way. Not to mention, if you weren't bullshitting (which you are) wouldn't it be all for your benefit to "enlighten" as many people as you can? The more people spread your views, the more you reach your goal. Or do you like being the "misunderstood" one while "anti-trans" mindsets and laws continue to propagate making life worse for you? --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:883127056] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Such a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is to be trans and what curing it prior to birth would entail.</quote> Then explain it.</quote> On the internet, where nearly recorded knowledge of man's history, you can't find it on your own? I charge clients for services. And emotional labor and teaching costs extra. Send me your PayPal and I'll send you an invoice.</quote> I already have and all scientific studies and articles point to what I posted. You've likely been brainwashed by mentally ill tumblr outcast blogs who say you can be transanimals and that's why you're so afraid to share them, instead opting to go the shitposter with no actual evidence way. Not to mention, if you weren't bullshitting (which you are) wouldn't it be all for your benefit to "enlighten" as many people as you can? The more people spread your views, the more you reach your goal. Or do you like being the "misunderstood" one while "anti-trans" mindsets and laws continue to propagate making life worse for you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/18/17 5:21:10 AM #118:	GiftedACIII posted... gunplagirl posted... GiftedACIII posted... gunplagirl posted... Such a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is to be trans and what curing it prior to birth would entail. Then explain it. On the internet, where nearly recorded knowledge of man's history, you can't find it on your own? I charge clients for services. And emotional labor and teaching costs extra. Send me your PayPal and I'll send you an invoice. I already have and all scientific studies and articles point to what I posted. You've likely been brainwashed by mentally ill tumblr outcast blogs who say you can be transanimals and that's why you're so afraid to share them, instead opting to go the shitposter with no actual evidence way. Not to mention, if you weren't bullshitting (which you are) wouldn't it be all for your benefit to "enlighten" as many people as you can? The more people spread your views, the more you reach your goal. Or do you like being the "misunderstood" one while "anti-trans" mindsets and laws continue to propagate making life worse for you? If you actually wanted to learn, you would be learning. Tell me, do people ask you to render the summation of your existence, past present and future, before them as a mandatory part of discussion? And no, I don't use tumblr. Anyone who thinks trans race like dolezal or trans species is a thing is completely wrong. How is calling your ignorance out not expressing my views? As for the laws? Even people who understand trans issues still can be for those laws, because of the fundamental misunderstanding that trans people's identities are valid, and tested in ways cis people never will have to deal with. But nah, clearly it is better to make trans people not exist instead of making it so trans people aren't systematically abused at every level with zero recourse in most cases. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:883127440] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Such a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is to be trans and what curing it prior to birth would entail.</quote> Then explain it.</quote> On the internet, where nearly recorded knowledge of man's history, you can't find it on your own? I charge clients for services. And emotional labor and teaching costs extra. Send me your PayPal and I'll send you an invoice.</quote> I already have and all scientific studies and articles point to what I posted. You've likely been brainwashed by mentally ill tumblr outcast blogs who say you can be transanimals and that's why you're so afraid to share them, instead opting to go the shitposter with no actual evidence way. Not to mention, if you weren't bullshitting (which you are) wouldn't it be all for your benefit to "enlighten" as many people as you can? The more people spread your views, the more you reach your goal. Or do you like being the "misunderstood" one while "anti-trans" mindsets and laws continue to propagate making life worse for you?</quote> If you actually wanted to learn, you would be learning. Tell me, do people ask you to render the summation of your existence, past present and future, before them as a mandatory part of discussion? And no, I don't use tumblr. Anyone who thinks trans race like dolezal or trans species is a thing is completely wrong. How is calling your ignorance out not expressing my views? As for the laws? Even people who understand trans issues still can be for those laws, because of the fundamental misunderstanding that trans people's identities are valid, and tested in ways cis people never will have to deal with. But nah, clearly it is better to make trans people not exist instead of making it so trans people aren't systematically abused at every level with zero recourse in most cases.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 07/18/17 5:26:20 AM #119:	gunplagirl posted... GiftedACIII posted... gunplagirl posted... GiftedACIII posted... gunplagirl posted... Such a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is to be trans and what curing it prior to birth would entail. Then explain it. On the internet, where nearly recorded knowledge of man's history, you can't find it on your own? I charge clients for services. And emotional labor and teaching costs extra. Send me your PayPal and I'll send you an invoice. I already have and all scientific studies and articles point to what I posted. You've likely been brainwashed by mentally ill tumblr outcast blogs who say you can be transanimals and that's why you're so afraid to share them, instead opting to go the shitposter with no actual evidence way. Not to mention, if you weren't bullshitting (which you are) wouldn't it be all for your benefit to "enlighten" as many people as you can? The more people spread your views, the more you reach your goal. Or do you like being the "misunderstood" one while "anti-trans" mindsets and laws continue to propagate making life worse for you? If you actually wanted to learn, you would be learning. Tell me, do people ask you to render the summation of your existence, past present and future, before them as a mandatory part of discussion? And no, I don't use tumblr. Anyone who thinks trans race like dolezal or trans species is a thing is completely wrong. How is calling your ignorance out not expressing my views? As for the laws? Even people who understand trans issues still can be for those laws, because of the fundamental misunderstanding that trans people's identities are valid, and tested in ways cis people never will have to deal with. But nah, clearly it is better to make trans people not exist instead of making it so trans people aren't systematically abused at every level with zero recourse in most cases. No, you aren't calling ignorance out. You're just saying IZ RONG without actually explaining why which makes you a tool and the one in the wrong. Since if you can't even explain your point how valid can that point really be? And no, being trans is about as much of an identity as being diabetic is. It's something that you are, but not something you desire to be or the end goal. Trans literally means changing. Gay and bi people don't desire and have no need to be straight. Trans people literally by definition WANT to be the other sex and their goal is to be as much of the opposite sex as possible. They don't want to be the brain trapped in the wrong body. If there's a one time magical ray that turns you into the opposite sex permanently they would take it in a heartbeat. And that's exactly what this hypothetical scenario is, saving your child from having to deal with hormones and the inner conflict of knowing their chromosomes and organs are of the opposite sex. There's nothing for gay and bi people to have to deal with other than society. ...Unless you're saying being trans itself is the thing you desire, not the opposite sex and that if a magical ray that could turn you into the other sex permanently exists you wouldn't take it since the idea that you're in the wrong body is what makes you special? Try again. What part of that is a misunderstanding? --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:883127541] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Such a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is to be trans and what curing it prior to birth would entail.</quote> Then explain it.</quote> On the internet, where nearly recorded knowledge of man's history, you can't find it on your own? I charge clients for services. And emotional labor and teaching costs extra. Send me your PayPal and I'll send you an invoice.</quote> I already have and all scientific studies and articles point to what I posted. You've likely been brainwashed by mentally ill tumblr outcast blogs who say you can be transanimals and that's why you're so afraid to share them, instead opting to go the shitposter with no actual evidence way. Not to mention, if you weren't bullshitting (which you are) wouldn't it be all for your benefit to "enlighten" as many people as you can? The more people spread your views, the more you reach your goal. Or do you like being the "misunderstood" one while "anti-trans" mindsets and laws continue to propagate making life worse for you?</quote> If you actually wanted to learn, you would be learning. Tell me, do people ask you to render the summation of your existence, past present and future, before them as a mandatory part of discussion? And no, I don't use tumblr. Anyone who thinks trans race like dolezal or trans species is a thing is completely wrong. How is calling your ignorance out not expressing my views? As for the laws? Even people who understand trans issues still can be for those laws, because of the fundamental misunderstanding that trans people's identities are valid, and tested in ways cis people never will have to deal with. But nah, clearly it is better to make trans people not exist instead of making it so trans people aren't systematically abused at every level with zero recourse in most cases.</quote> No, you aren't calling ignorance out. You're just saying IZ RONG without actually explaining why which makes you a tool and the one in the wrong. Since if you can't even explain your point how valid can that point really be? And no, being trans is about as much of an identity as being diabetic is. It's something that you are, but not something you desire to be or the end goal. Trans literally means changing. <quote>Gay and bi people don't desire and have no need to be straight. Trans people literally by definition WANT to be the other sex and their goal is to be as much of the opposite sex as possible. They don't want to be the brain trapped in the wrong body. If there's a one time magical ray that turns you into the opposite sex permanently they would take it in a heartbeat. And that's exactly what this hypothetical scenario is, saving your child from having to deal with hormones and the inner conflict of knowing their chromosomes and organs are of the opposite sex. There's nothing for gay and bi people to have to deal with other than society. ...Unless you're saying being trans itself is the thing you desire, not the opposite sex and that if a magical ray that could turn you into the other sex permanently exists you wouldn't take it since the idea that you're in the wrong body is what makes you special?</quote> Try again. What part of that is a misunderstanding?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/18/17 5:29:45 AM #120:	Am I obligated to explain myself? You're cis and you're wrong. Source: me, a trans person. If you want a further explanation, fucking pay me for the emotional labor. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:883127602] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote>Am I obligated to explain myself? You're cis and you're wrong. Source: me, a trans person. If you want a further explanation, fucking pay me for the emotional labor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 07/18/17 5:32:06 AM #121:	Gunplagirl meltdown --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:883127656] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote>Gunplagirl meltdown</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 07/18/17 5:33:41 AM #122:	gunplagirl posted... Am I obligated to explain myself? You're cis and you're wrong. Source: me, a trans person. If you want a further explanation, fucking pay me for the emotional labor. By definition transpeople want to be the opposite sex. That's the whole meaning of the term. If the only thing you care about is being trans itself then a. you're a delusional snowflake, probably with a bit of psychosis playing make-believe in order to be different and b.you're not actually transgender, in fact you're trivializing actual transgenders. Just call yourself octagender or something at least so people know you're just being crazy instead of hindering actual transgenders with your nonsense. Oh, and I'm also transgender for the sake of this topic because that's apparently how this works in your demented world view. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:883127694] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Am I obligated to explain myself? You're cis and you're wrong. Source: me, a trans person. If you want a further explanation, fucking pay me for the emotional labor.</quote> By definition transpeople want to be the opposite sex. That's the whole meaning of the term. If the only thing you care about is being trans itself then a. you're a delusional snowflake, probably with a bit of psychosis playing make-believe in order to be different and b.you're not actually transgender, in fact you're trivializing actual transgenders. Just call yourself octagender or something at least so people know you're just being crazy instead of hindering actual transgenders with your nonsense. Oh, and I'm also transgender for the sake of this topic because that's apparently how this works in your demented world view.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/18/17 5:34:27 AM #123:	thelovefist posted... Gunplagirl meltdown You get so emotional over me. Gonna cwy your self to sweep? --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:883127713] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote>Gunplagirl meltdown</quote> You get so emotional over me. Gonna cwy your self to sweep?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/18/17 5:35:42 AM #124:	GiftedACIII posted... who thinks being disabled is a part of your identity and proud of it so you can show off how different you are. While wanting to be disabled when you are not would be insane, it is indeed part of your identity and you should not feel shame. If you grow up with a disability, it affects literally everything about you, good and bad. This is why you get trans people or Aspies or whoever that would not want to be cured outright if such a thing even existed. The worry is that it would reshape their entire identity, their very person, not just remove the bad stuff. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883127743] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>who thinks being disabled is a part of your identity and proud of it so you can show off how different you are.</quote> While wanting to be disabled when you are not would be insane, it is indeed part of your identity and you should not feel shame. If you grow up with a disability, it affects literally everything about you, good and bad. This is why you get trans people or Aspies or whoever that would not want to be cured outright if such a thing even existed. The worry is that it would reshape their entire identity, their very person, not just remove the bad stuff.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mandasnake 07/18/17 5:36:33 AM #125:	GiftedACIII posted... Oh, and I'm also transgender You are? --- Paging...Dr. Snakes Gorbachev <cite>Mandasnake posted [p:883127764] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, and I'm also transgender</quote> You are?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/18/17 5:36:40 AM #126:	GiftedACIII posted... gunplagirl posted... Am I obligated to explain myself? You're cis and you're wrong. Source: me, a trans person. If you want a further explanation, fucking pay me for the emotional labor. By definition transpeople want to be the opposite sex. That's the whole meaning of the term. If the only thing you care about is being trans itself then a. you're a delusional snowflake, probably with a bit of psychosis playing make-believe in order to be different and b.you're not actually transgender, in fact you're trivializing actual transgenders. Just call yourself octagender or something at least so people know you're just being crazy instead of hindering actual transgenders with your nonsense. Oh, and I'm also transgender for the sake of this topic because that's apparently how this works in your demented world view. You do realize non operative trans people and non binary genders exist? --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:883127766] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Am I obligated to explain myself? You're cis and you're wrong. Source: me, a trans person. If you want a further explanation, fucking pay me for the emotional labor.</quote> By definition transpeople want to be the opposite sex. That's the whole meaning of the term. If the only thing you care about is being trans itself then a. you're a delusional snowflake, probably with a bit of psychosis playing make-believe in order to be different and b.you're not actually transgender, in fact you're trivializing actual transgenders. Just call yourself octagender or something at least so people know you're just being crazy instead of hindering actual transgenders with your nonsense. Oh, and I'm also transgender for the sake of this topic because that's apparently how this works in your demented world view.</quote> You do realize non operative trans people and non binary genders exist?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 07/18/17 5:37:37 AM #127:	hockeybub89 posted... GiftedACIII posted... who thinks being disabled is a part of your identity and proud of it so you can show off how different you are. While wanting to be disabled when you are not would be insane, it is indeed part of your identity and you should not feel shame. If you grow up with a disability, it affects literally everything about you, good and bad. This is why you get trans people or Aspies or whoever that would not want to be cured outright if such a thing even existed. The worry is that it would reshape their entire identity, their very person, not just remove the bad stuff. Yeah, and the reason you wouldn't give this treatment to your child is because you WANT them to be disabled. In my view, and the majority of the world, wanting your child to be disabled is probably not only more insane, but certainly more despicable than wanting yourself disabled. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:883127791] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>who thinks being disabled is a part of your identity and proud of it so you can show off how different you are.</quote> While wanting to be disabled when you are not would be insane, it is indeed part of your identity and you should not feel shame. If you grow up with a disability, it affects literally everything about you, good and bad. This is why you get trans people or Aspies or whoever that would not want to be cured outright if such a thing even existed. The worry is that it would reshape their entire identity, their very person, not just remove the bad stuff.</quote> Yeah, and the reason you wouldn't give this treatment to your child is because you WANT them to be disabled. In my view, and the majority of the world, wanting your child to be disabled is probably not only more insane, but certainly more despicable than wanting yourself disabled.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/18/17 5:38:34 AM #128:	Mandasnake posted... GiftedACIII posted... Oh, and I'm also transgender You are? They aren't, they're making it up in order to dismiss my identity because they didn't consider it valid. Which is, you know, entry level transphobia. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:883127806] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mandasnake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, and I'm also transgender</quote> You are?</quote> They aren't, they're making it up in order to dismiss my identity because they didn't consider it valid. Which is, you know, entry level transphobia.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/18/17 5:39:26 AM #129:	GiftedACIII posted... hockeybub89 posted... GiftedACIII posted... who thinks being disabled is a part of your identity and proud of it so you can show off how different you are. While wanting to be disabled when you are not would be insane, it is indeed part of your identity and you should not feel shame. If you grow up with a disability, it affects literally everything about you, good and bad. This is why you get trans people or Aspies or whoever that would not want to be cured outright if such a thing even existed. The worry is that it would reshape their entire identity, their very person, not just remove the bad stuff. Yeah, and the reason you wouldn't give this treatment to your child is because you WANT them to be disabled. In my view, and the majority of the world, wanting your child to be disabled is probably not only more insane, but certainly more despicable than wanting yourself disabled. And being lgbt isn't a disability. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:883127821] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>who thinks being disabled is a part of your identity and proud of it so you can show off how different you are.</quote> While wanting to be disabled when you are not would be insane, it is indeed part of your identity and you should not feel shame. If you grow up with a disability, it affects literally everything about you, good and bad. This is why you get trans people or Aspies or whoever that would not want to be cured outright if such a thing even existed. The worry is that it would reshape their entire identity, their very person, not just remove the bad stuff.</quote> Yeah, and the reason you wouldn't give this treatment to your child is because you WANT them to be disabled. In my view, and the majority of the world, wanting your child to be disabled is probably not only more insane, but certainly more despicable than wanting yourself disabled.</quote> And being lgbt isn't a disability.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/18/17 5:40:13 AM #130:	hockeybub89 posted... GiftedACIII posted... who thinks being disabled is a part of your identity and proud of it so you can show off how different you are. While wanting to be disabled when you are not would be insane, it is indeed part of your identity and you should not feel shame. If you grow up with a disability, it affects literally everything about you, good and bad. This is why you get trans people or Aspies or whoever that would not want to be cured outright if such a thing even existed. The worry is that it would reshape their entire identity, their very person, not just remove the bad stuff. Dear god, somebody who actually gets it --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:883127836] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>who thinks being disabled is a part of your identity and proud of it so you can show off how different you are.</quote> While wanting to be disabled when you are not would be insane, it is indeed part of your identity and you should not feel shame. If you grow up with a disability, it affects literally everything about you, good and bad. This is why you get trans people or Aspies or whoever that would not want to be cured outright if such a thing even existed. The worry is that it would reshape their entire identity, their very person, not just remove the bad stuff.</quote> Dear god, somebody who actually gets it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/18/17 5:41:19 AM #131:	gunplagirl posted... GiftedACIII posted... gunplagirl posted... Am I obligated to explain myself? You're cis and you're wrong. Source: me, a trans person. If you want a further explanation, fucking pay me for the emotional labor. By definition transpeople want to be the opposite sex. That's the whole meaning of the term. If the only thing you care about is being trans itself then a. you're a delusional snowflake, probably with a bit of psychosis playing make-believe in order to be different and b.you're not actually transgender, in fact you're trivializing actual transgenders. Just call yourself octagender or something at least so people know you're just being crazy instead of hindering actual transgenders with your nonsense. Oh, and I'm also transgender for the sake of this topic because that's apparently how this works in your demented world view. You do realize non operative trans people and non binary genders exist? I feel like non-binary genders kind of screw with some ideas about trans people. Research suggests a directionality in the brain towards the gender opposite their sex, male or female, not 67 genders. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883127854] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Am I obligated to explain myself? You're cis and you're wrong. Source: me, a trans person. If you want a further explanation, fucking pay me for the emotional labor.</quote> By definition transpeople want to be the opposite sex. That's the whole meaning of the term. If the only thing you care about is being trans itself then a. you're a delusional snowflake, probably with a bit of psychosis playing make-believe in order to be different and b.you're not actually transgender, in fact you're trivializing actual transgenders. Just call yourself octagender or something at least so people know you're just being crazy instead of hindering actual transgenders with your nonsense. Oh, and I'm also transgender for the sake of this topic because that's apparently how this works in your demented world view.</quote> You do realize non operative trans people and non binary genders exist?</quote> I feel like non-binary genders kind of screw with some ideas about trans people. Research suggests a directionality in the brain towards the gender opposite their sex, male or female, not 67 genders.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 07/18/17 5:44:54 AM #133:	hockeybub89 posted... gunplagirl posted... GiftedACIII posted... gunplagirl posted... Am I obligated to explain myself? You're cis and you're wrong. Source: me, a trans person. If you want a further explanation, fucking pay me for the emotional labor. By definition transpeople want to be the opposite sex. That's the whole meaning of the term. If the only thing you care about is being trans itself then a. you're a delusional snowflake, probably with a bit of psychosis playing make-believe in order to be different and b.you're not actually transgender, in fact you're trivializing actual transgenders. Just call yourself octagender or something at least so people know you're just being crazy instead of hindering actual transgenders with your nonsense. Oh, and I'm also transgender for the sake of this topic because that's apparently how this works in your demented world view. You do realize non operative trans people and non binary genders exist? I feel like non-binary genders kind of screw with some ideas about trans people. Research suggests a directionality in the brain towards the gender opposite their sex, male or female, not 67 genders. There's also enough interlap that it's not like we can nail it down 100%. Same way that people think there's only xx and xy chromosomes yet that's just for mammals, and not even true of all mammals. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:883127923] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Am I obligated to explain myself? You're cis and you're wrong. Source: me, a trans person. If you want a further explanation, fucking pay me for the emotional labor.</quote> By definition transpeople want to be the opposite sex. That's the whole meaning of the term. If the only thing you care about is being trans itself then a. you're a delusional snowflake, probably with a bit of psychosis playing make-believe in order to be different and b.you're not actually transgender, in fact you're trivializing actual transgenders. Just call yourself octagender or something at least so people know you're just being crazy instead of hindering actual transgenders with your nonsense. Oh, and I'm also transgender for the sake of this topic because that's apparently how this works in your demented world view.</quote> You do realize non operative trans people and non binary genders exist?</quote> I feel like non-binary genders kind of screw with some ideas about trans people. Research suggests a directionality in the brain towards the gender opposite their sex, male or female, not 67 genders.</quote> There's also enough interlap that it's not like we can nail it down 100%. Same way that people think there's only xx and xy chromosomes yet that's just for mammals, and not even true of all mammals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 07/18/17 5:45:25 AM #134:	gunplagirl posted... GiftedACIII posted... gunplagirl posted... Am I obligated to explain myself? You're cis and you're wrong. Source: me, a trans person. If you want a further explanation, fucking pay me for the emotional labor. By definition transpeople want to be the opposite sex. That's the whole meaning of the term. If the only thing you care about is being trans itself then a. you're a delusional snowflake, probably with a bit of psychosis playing make-believe in order to be different and b.you're not actually transgender, in fact you're trivializing actual transgenders. Just call yourself octagender or something at least so people know you're just being crazy instead of hindering actual transgenders with your nonsense. Oh, and I'm also transgender for the sake of this topic because that's apparently how this works in your demented world view. You do realize non operative trans people and non binary genders exist? Because no operations actually change your sex. It's just a superficial aesthetic and I'm sure many don't consider it worth the money and effort because of that. If there's an operation that fully changes your sex down to your chromosomes then if you still won't take it then you're not transgender, just a very emotionally confused masculine woman/feminine man. And non-binaries are made up and have no relevancy here. People who are born with this hypothetical treatment can still become "nonbinary" by being a social outcast and growing up oddly. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:883127931] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Am I obligated to explain myself? You're cis and you're wrong. Source: me, a trans person. If you want a further explanation, fucking pay me for the emotional labor.</quote> By definition transpeople want to be the opposite sex. That's the whole meaning of the term. If the only thing you care about is being trans itself then a. you're a delusional snowflake, probably with a bit of psychosis playing make-believe in order to be different and b.you're not actually transgender, in fact you're trivializing actual transgenders. Just call yourself octagender or something at least so people know you're just being crazy instead of hindering actual transgenders with your nonsense. Oh, and I'm also transgender for the sake of this topic because that's apparently how this works in your demented world view.</quote> You do realize non operative trans people and non binary genders exist?</quote> Because no operations actually change your sex. It's just a superficial aesthetic and I'm sure many don't consider it worth the money and effort because of that. If there's an operation that fully changes your sex down to your chromosomes then if you still won't take it then you're not transgender, just a very emotionally confused masculine woman/feminine man. And non-binaries are made up and have no relevancy here. People who are born with this hypothetical treatment can still become "nonbinary" by being a social outcast and growing up oddly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/18/17 5:48:22 AM #135:	GiftedACIII posted... hockeybub89 posted... GiftedACIII posted... who thinks being disabled is a part of your identity and proud of it so you can show off how different you are. While wanting to be disabled when you are not would be insane, it is indeed part of your identity and you should not feel shame. If you grow up with a disability, it affects literally everything about you, good and bad. This is why you get trans people or Aspies or whoever that would not want to be cured outright if such a thing even existed. The worry is that it would reshape their entire identity, their very person, not just remove the bad stuff. Yeah, and the reason you wouldn't give this treatment to your child is because you WANT them to be disabled. In my view, and the majority of the world, wanting your child to be disabled is probably not only more insane, but certainly more despicable than wanting yourself disabled. I don't want anyone to be disabled. I just think genetic engineering is a huge moral question. My problem is I have a bad imagination and take overthink hypotheticals. If such a cure existed for my hypothetical fetus and it was developed ethically and all concerns were addressed, I would take it for them. But I wouldn't even want man to go down this road if it was unethical. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883127977] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>who thinks being disabled is a part of your identity and proud of it so you can show off how different you are.</quote> While wanting to be disabled when you are not would be insane, it is indeed part of your identity and you should not feel shame. If you grow up with a disability, it affects literally everything about you, good and bad. This is why you get trans people or Aspies or whoever that would not want to be cured outright if such a thing even existed. The worry is that it would reshape their entire identity, their very person, not just remove the bad stuff.</quote> Yeah, and the reason you wouldn't give this treatment to your child is because you WANT them to be disabled. In my view, and the majority of the world, wanting your child to be disabled is probably not only more insane, but certainly more despicable than wanting yourself disabled.</quote> I don't want anyone to be disabled. I just think genetic engineering is a huge moral question. My problem is I have a bad imagination and take overthink hypotheticals. If such a cure existed for my hypothetical fetus and it was developed ethically and all concerns were addressed, I would take it for them. But I wouldn't even want man to go down this road if it was unethical.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/18/17 5:50:18 AM #136:	Conflict posted... gunplagirl posted... Every study out there regarding childhood transitioners shows they're as happy or more so than their peers I've been constantly hearing that transgenders are typically unhappy/depressed throughout adolescence and still up until adulthood, and now all of a sudden it's the opposite? Which one is it? Anyways tbh my kneejerk reaction to this poll was 'no' but thinking about it it would definitely make the child's life a lot easier. That's only the case for those who couldn't transition in their youth. It's becoming increasingly more common for them to at least state their desire to transition because society is slowly turning to make it more acceptable for them to feel they can say it without fearing reprisal. Most like myself, well. Seeing lgbt people being used as punch lines in movies (like that Jim Carey one) and people being violent towards them? It makes us fear that we'll be harmed by our own family for saying something. Plus lots of other indicators, conscious or otherwise, from family members showing that they disapprove. Plus even in my teenage years I knew a few classmates who were disowned and taken care of by friends families because of their sexual orientation. That is why we're unhappy. Because we can't safely express our genuine selves even if we do act on it. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:883128007] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Every study out there regarding childhood transitioners shows they're as happy or more so than their peers</quote> I've been constantly hearing that transgenders are typically unhappy/depressed throughout adolescence and still up until adulthood, and now all of a sudden it's the opposite? Which one is it? Anyways tbh my kneejerk reaction to this poll was 'no' but thinking about it it would definitely make the child's life a lot easier.</quote> That's only the case for those who couldn't transition in their youth. It's becoming increasingly more common for them to at least state their desire to transition because society is slowly turning to make it more acceptable for them to feel they can say it without fearing reprisal. Most like myself, well. Seeing lgbt people being used as punch lines in movies (like that Jim Carey one) and people being violent towards them? It makes us fear that we'll be harmed by our own family for saying something. Plus lots of other indicators, conscious or otherwise, from family members showing that they disapprove. Plus even in my teenage years I knew a few classmates who were disowned and taken care of by friends families because of their sexual orientation. That is why we're unhappy. Because we can't safely express our genuine selves even if we do act on it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/18/17 5:52:56 AM #137:	GiftedACIII posted... gunplagirl posted... GiftedACIII posted... gunplagirl posted... Am I obligated to explain myself? You're cis and you're wrong. Source: me, a trans person. If you want a further explanation, fucking pay me for the emotional labor. By definition transpeople want to be the opposite sex. That's the whole meaning of the term. If the only thing you care about is being trans itself then a. you're a delusional snowflake, probably with a bit of psychosis playing make-believe in order to be different and b.you're not actually transgender, in fact you're trivializing actual transgenders. Just call yourself octagender or something at least so people know you're just being crazy instead of hindering actual transgenders with your nonsense. Oh, and I'm also transgender for the sake of this topic because that's apparently how this works in your demented world view. You do realize non operative trans people and non binary genders exist? Because no operations actually change your sex. It's just a superficial aesthetic and I'm sure many don't consider it worth the money and effort because of that. If there's an operation that fully changes your sex down to your chromosomes then if you still won't take it then you're not transgender, just a very emotionally confused masculine woman/feminine man. And non-binaries are made up and have no relevancy here. People who are born with this hypothetical treatment can still become "nonbinary" by being a social outcast and growing up oddly. And now you double down on that transphobia. Bioessentialist views that aren't even based upon current understandings of chromosomes. By trying to pin it down to a science on outdated knowledge, you're ignoring intersex people. If you're trying to group everything up and don't even account for the basic outliers, you're never going to be right. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:883128063] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Am I obligated to explain myself? You're cis and you're wrong. Source: me, a trans person. If you want a further explanation, fucking pay me for the emotional labor.</quote> By definition transpeople want to be the opposite sex. That's the whole meaning of the term. If the only thing you care about is being trans itself then a. you're a delusional snowflake, probably with a bit of psychosis playing make-believe in order to be different and b.you're not actually transgender, in fact you're trivializing actual transgenders. Just call yourself octagender or something at least so people know you're just being crazy instead of hindering actual transgenders with your nonsense. Oh, and I'm also transgender for the sake of this topic because that's apparently how this works in your demented world view.</quote> You do realize non operative trans people and non binary genders exist?</quote> Because no operations actually change your sex. It's just a superficial aesthetic and I'm sure many don't consider it worth the money and effort because of that. If there's an operation that fully changes your sex down to your chromosomes then if you still won't take it then you're not transgender, just a very emotionally confused masculine woman/feminine man. And non-binaries are made up and have no relevancy here. People who are born with this hypothetical treatment can still become "nonbinary" by being a social outcast and growing up oddly.</quote> And now you double down on that transphobia. Bioessentialist views that aren't even based upon current understandings of chromosomes. By trying to pin it down to a science on outdated knowledge, you're ignoring intersex people. If you're trying to group everything up and don't even account for the basic outliers, you're never going to be right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adedpsych0 07/18/17 5:54:31 AM #138:	hmm not sure. on one hand I wouldnt wish the hardship on them, but also would rob them of a possible part of their life. on the other hand are they still really MY baby if I modify away something I dont like? <cite>adedpsych0 posted [p:883128093] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote>hmm not sure. on one hand I wouldnt wish the hardship on them, but also would rob them of a possible part of their life. on the other hand are they still really MY baby if I modify away something I dont like?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 07/18/17 5:59:02 AM #139:	gunplagirl posted... thelovefist posted... Gunplagirl meltdown You get so emotional over me. Gonna cwy your self to sweep? You're the one having a meltdown so not sure what you mean --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:883128190] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote>Gunplagirl meltdown</quote> You get so emotional over me. Gonna cwy your self to sweep?</quote> You're the one having a meltdown so not sure what you mean</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/18/17 6:01:46 AM #140:	I would say non-binary genders have as much proof as otherkin, but gunplagirl might actually think that's proven too. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883128251] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote>I would say non-binary genders have as much proof as otherkin, but gunplagirl might actually think that's proven too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 07/18/17 6:02:15 AM #141:	gunplagirl posted... Mandasnake posted... GiftedACIII posted... Oh, and I'm also transgender You are? They aren't, they're making it up in order to dismiss my identity because they didn't consider it valid. Which is, you know, entry level transphobia. No, I'm just making fun of your specific mindset where apparently transgender isn't the concept that you're the opposite sex but just whatever the fuck you feel like. I'm met a few transgenders and none of them are like you, at least how you are currently. I think you were still rational 3 years ago but you've really dropped off the deep end. hockeybub89 posted... GiftedACIII posted... hockeybub89 posted... GiftedACIII posted... who thinks being disabled is a part of your identity and proud of it so you can show off how different you are. While wanting to be disabled when you are not would be insane, it is indeed part of your identity and you should not feel shame. If you grow up with a disability, it affects literally everything about you, good and bad. This is why you get trans people or Aspies or whoever that would not want to be cured outright if such a thing even existed. The worry is that it would reshape their entire identity, their very person, not just remove the bad stuff. Yeah, and the reason you wouldn't give this treatment to your child is because you WANT them to be disabled. In my view, and the majority of the world, wanting your child to be disabled is probably not only more insane, but certainly more despicable than wanting yourself disabled. I don't want anyone to be disabled. I just think genetic engineering is a huge moral question. My problem is I have a bad imagination and take overthink hypotheticals. If such a cure existed for my hypothetical fetus and it was developed ethically and all concerns were addressed, I would take it for them. But I wouldn't even want man to go down this road if it was unethical. I didn't mean you specifically, just the mindset that not giving the treatment would be. Honestly, I think that if you were to realize the child you're looking at's hypothetical scan and realize all the problems they'd have to face that are inherently tied with being transgender like dysphoria and hormones you'd likely use the treatment for their sake. I mean, the treatment in this scenario is basically meant to do what they will wish for when they grow up anyway. The stuff like non-binaries and supposed transpeople who don't feel dysphoria (which means they probably don't really have as much of the brain differentiations if at all that people with dysphoria do) probably won't show up on the scan anyway (because they're not as genuine). --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:883128258] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mandasnake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, and I'm also transgender</quote> You are?</quote> They aren't, they're making it up in order to dismiss my identity because they didn't consider it valid. Which is, you know, entry level transphobia.</quote> No, I'm just making fun of your specific mindset where apparently transgender isn't the concept that you're the opposite sex but just whatever the fuck you feel like. I'm met a few transgenders and none of them are like you, at least how you are currently. I think you were still rational 3 years ago but you've really dropped off the deep end. <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>who thinks being disabled is a part of your identity and proud of it so you can show off how different you are.</quote> While wanting to be disabled when you are not would be insane, it is indeed part of your identity and you should not feel shame. If you grow up with a disability, it affects literally everything about you, good and bad. This is why you get trans people or Aspies or whoever that would not want to be cured outright if such a thing even existed. The worry is that it would reshape their entire identity, their very person, not just remove the bad stuff.</quote> Yeah, and the reason you wouldn't give this treatment to your child is because you WANT them to be disabled. In my view, and the majority of the world, wanting your child to be disabled is probably not only more insane, but certainly more despicable than wanting yourself disabled.</quote> I don't want anyone to be disabled. I just think genetic engineering is a huge moral question. My problem is I have a bad imagination and take overthink hypotheticals. If such a cure existed for my hypothetical fetus and it was developed ethically and all concerns were addressed, I would take it for them. But I wouldn't even want man to go down this road if it was unethical.</quote> I didn't mean you specifically, just the mindset that not giving the treatment would be. Honestly, I think that if you were to realize the child you're looking at's hypothetical scan and realize all the problems they'd have to face that are inherently tied with being transgender like dysphoria and hormones you'd likely use the treatment for their sake. I mean, the treatment in this scenario is basically meant to do what they will wish for when they grow up anyway. The stuff like non-binaries and supposed transpeople who don't feel dysphoria (which means they probably don't really have as much of the brain differentiations if at all that people with dysphoria do) probably won't show up on the scan anyway (because they're not as genuine).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/18/17 6:09:11 AM #142:	Like I said, I overthought the hypothetical. I would accept the terms of that OP scenario. I just have huge moral reservations about real world attempts to reach such a future. There will be a lot of debate on these things in the coming decades. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883128386] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote>Like I said, I overthought the hypothetical. I would accept the terms of that OP scenario. I just have huge moral reservations about real world attempts to reach such a future. There will be a lot of debate on these things in the coming decades.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/18/17 6:10:33 AM #143:	And suddenly you're saying that it's solely based on brain scans and genuineness into valid trans identities despite brain scans not even being concrete evidence at this point. In other words, you're using the present to parse the future in a hypothetical vacuum. And still you find a way to be transphobic. You can meet all the other trans people in our world, there's always going to be caitlyn Jenners out there with bad views, internalized transmisogyny and a poor understanding of what actually needs to be done to improve the lives of trans people as a whole. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:883128411] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote>And suddenly you're saying that it's solely based on brain scans and genuineness into valid trans identities despite brain scans not even being concrete evidence at this point. In other words, you're using the present to parse the future in a hypothetical vacuum. And still you find a way to be transphobic. You can meet all the other trans people in our world, there's always going to be caitlyn Jenners out there with bad views, internalized transmisogyny and a poor understanding of what actually needs to be done to improve the lives of trans people as a whole.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 07/18/17 6:38:41 AM #144:	gunplagirl posted... And suddenly you're saying that it's solely based on brain scans and genuineness into valid trans identities despite brain scans not even being concrete evidence at this point. In other words, you're using the present to parse the future in a hypothetical vacuum. And still you find a way to be transphobic. You can meet all the other trans people in our world, there's always going to be caitlyn Jenners out there with bad views, internalized transmisogyny and a poor understanding of what actually needs to be done to improve the lives of trans people as a whole. It would only be brain scans, what else would it be? Your anus? Or maybe you believe in souls? And of course we're talking about the present. Talking about anything other than the near future (which I don't believe will change the findings much) is a delusional person with no argument's method. Sure, anything can happen in the future, maybe one day we'll find out rape while encased in a newly discovered compound can make the victim gain eternal happiness and the future will decide that eternal happiness is above all, even consent and that our present way of thinking is backward and archaic. But for now we're dealing with the present and rape is a completely immoral act of evil and should not be excused in any circumstances. And the only transpeople here with bad views and a poor understanding of what actually needs to be done to improve the lives of transpeople as a whole is you. Though it's pretty amusing you're so quick to throw around transphobia even though you immediately denied that I might be transgender. I mean, I feel pretty "agender" right now. I don't consider myself either masculine or feminine or abide by either stereotype. That should qualify me as "agender". What else is needed right? At the end of the day to deny your child what they literally intend to be because of some crazy identity politic ideals is just filthy selfishness and makes you no different than anti-vaxxers. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:883128939] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>And suddenly you're saying that it's solely based on brain scans and genuineness into valid trans identities despite brain scans not even being concrete evidence at this point. In other words, you're using the present to parse the future in a hypothetical vacuum. And still you find a way to be transphobic. You can meet all the other trans people in our world, there's always going to be caitlyn Jenners out there with bad views, internalized transmisogyny and a poor understanding of what actually needs to be done to improve the lives of trans people as a whole.</quote> It would only be brain scans, what else would it be? Your anus? Or maybe you believe in souls? And of course we're talking about the present. Talking about anything other than the near future (which I don't believe will change the findings much) is a delusional person with no argument's method. Sure, anything can happen in the future, maybe one day we'll find out rape while encased in a newly discovered compound can make the victim gain eternal happiness and the future will decide that eternal happiness is above all, even consent and that our present way of thinking is backward and archaic. But for now we're dealing with the present and rape is a completely immoral act of evil and should not be excused in any circumstances. And the only transpeople here with bad views and a poor understanding of what actually needs to be done to improve the lives of transpeople as a whole is you. Though it's pretty amusing you're so quick to throw around transphobia even though you immediately denied that I might be transgender. I mean, I feel pretty "agender" right now. I don't consider myself either masculine or feminine or abide by either stereotype. That should qualify me as "agender". What else is needed right? At the end of the day to deny your child what they literally intend to be because of some crazy identity politic ideals is just filthy selfishness and makes you no different than anti-vaxxers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/18/17 7:03:57 AM #145:	GiftedACIII posted... gunplagirl posted... And suddenly you're saying that it's solely based on brain scans and genuineness into valid trans identities despite brain scans not even being concrete evidence at this point. In other words, you're using the present to parse the future in a hypothetical vacuum. And still you find a way to be transphobic. You can meet all the other trans people in our world, there's always going to be caitlyn Jenners out there with bad views, internalized transmisogyny and a poor understanding of what actually needs to be done to improve the lives of trans people as a whole. It would only be brain scans, what else would it be? Your anus? Or maybe you believe in souls? And of course we're talking about the present. Talking about anything other than the near future (which I don't believe will change the findings much) is a delusional person with no argument's method. Sure, anything can happen in the future, maybe one day we'll find out rape while encased in a newly discovered compound can make the victim gain eternal happiness and the future will decide that eternal happiness is above all, even consent and that our present way of thinking is backward and archaic. But for now we're dealing with the present and rape is a completely immoral act of evil and should not be excused in any circumstances. And the only transpeople here with bad views and a poor understanding of what actually needs to be done to improve the lives of transpeople as a whole is you. Though it's pretty amusing you're so quick to throw around transphobia even though you immediately denied that I might be transgender. I mean, I feel pretty "agender" right now. I don't consider myself either masculine or feminine or abide by either stereotype. That should qualify me as "agender". What else is needed right? You're such a joke account Pray tell how wanting recognition of our identities as valid is possibly a bad idea? How is not wanting our identities dismissed based upon science that isn't even 100% accurate bad? How is wanting our identities accepted without regard for our presentation and passability remotely bad? The only person throwing bad ideas into others arguments here is your side, BTW. " well gunplagirl said something I don't agree with, maybe she also believes in these other things I don't agree with." Go ahead and find what views of mine are harmful though. And be sure to designate how, with regard to intersectional issues faced along socioeconomic and racial lines in particular. But that's expecting too much, I'm guessing? Because it would require you actually agree that privilege exists and minority groups don't have it. Oh but wait, you brought up rape as though that's even fantastically reasonable as a comparison. And I said you're not because you said " I must be" in a context after saying I'm not. Now, there's this whole concept in the English language where certain things can be implied or inferred. And the implication was very strong given the intonation. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:883129455] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>And suddenly you're saying that it's solely based on brain scans and genuineness into valid trans identities despite brain scans not even being concrete evidence at this point. In other words, you're using the present to parse the future in a hypothetical vacuum. And still you find a way to be transphobic. You can meet all the other trans people in our world, there's always going to be caitlyn Jenners out there with bad views, internalized transmisogyny and a poor understanding of what actually needs to be done to improve the lives of trans people as a whole.</quote> It would only be brain scans, what else would it be? Your anus? Or maybe you believe in souls? And of course we're talking about the present. Talking about anything other than the near future (which I don't believe will change the findings much) is a delusional person with no argument's method. Sure, anything can happen in the future, maybe one day we'll find out rape while encased in a newly discovered compound can make the victim gain eternal happiness and the future will decide that eternal happiness is above all, even consent and that our present way of thinking is backward and archaic. But for now we're dealing with the present and rape is a completely immoral act of evil and should not be excused in any circumstances. And the only transpeople here with bad views and a poor understanding of what actually needs to be done to improve the lives of transpeople as a whole is you. Though it's pretty amusing you're so quick to throw around transphobia even though you immediately denied that I might be transgender. I mean, I feel pretty "agender" right now. I don't consider myself either masculine or feminine or abide by either stereotype. That should qualify me as "agender". What else is needed right? You're such a joke account</quote> Pray tell how wanting recognition of our identities as valid is possibly a bad idea? How is not wanting our identities dismissed based upon science that isn't even 100% accurate bad? How is wanting our identities accepted without regard for our presentation and passability remotely bad? The only person throwing bad ideas into others arguments here is your side, BTW. " well gunplagirl said something I don't agree with, maybe she also believes in these other things I don't agree with." Go ahead and find what views of mine are harmful though. And be sure to designate how, with regard to intersectional issues faced along socioeconomic and racial lines in particular. But that's expecting too much, I'm guessing? Because it would require you actually agree that privilege exists and minority groups don't have it. Oh but wait, you brought up rape as though that's even fantastically reasonable as a comparison. And I said you're not because you said " I must be" in a context after saying I'm not. Now, there's this whole concept in the English language where certain things can be implied or inferred. And the implication was very strong given the intonation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JohnLennon6 07/18/17 7:05:31 AM #146:	JohnLennon6 posted... JohnLennon6 posted... I see the regulars are melting down as expected. --- He has good daygame - MasterOfMissions <cite>JohnLennon6 posted [p:883129496] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>JohnLennon6 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JohnLennon6 posted...</cite> <quote>I see the regulars are melting down as expected.</quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/18/17 7:08:52 AM #147:	As for your edit, if you think it's even remotely comparable to anti-vaccination hysteria then you're at least acknowledging being trans is dangerous, but the source is misplaced. You can't say you support trans people if you want to erase them, regardless of the intention behind how you'd erase them. Medically speaking there's very few medical risks in transitioning and all can come down to A) external sources such as medical discrimination, abuse and other violence from others And B) hormone related risks which aren't very high and the issues are the exact same their cis counterparts face from the hormones. Being trans isn't some lethal disease and isn't able to be spread to others. Intellectual dishonesty is not admirable at all. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:883129567] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote>As for your edit, if you think it's even remotely comparable to anti-vaccination hysteria then you're at least acknowledging being trans is dangerous, but the source is misplaced. You can't say you support trans people if you want to erase them, regardless of the intention behind how you'd erase them. Medically speaking there's very few medical risks in transitioning and all can come down to A) external sources such as medical discrimination, abuse and other violence from others And B) hormone related risks which aren't very high and the issues are the exact same their cis counterparts face from the hormones. Being trans isn't some lethal disease and isn't able to be spread to others. Intellectual dishonesty is not admirable at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/18/17 7:11:03 AM #148:	JohnLennon6 posted... JohnLennon6 posted... JohnLennon6 posted... I see the regulars are melting down as expected. There's this thing most mammals have called empathy. Caring about the wellbeing and dignity of others, and valuing that emotional care one holds in others is not a bad thing. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:883129612] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>JohnLennon6 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JohnLennon6 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JohnLennon6 posted...</cite> <quote>I see the regulars are melting down as expected.</quote></quote></quote> There's this thing most mammals have called empathy. Caring about the wellbeing and dignity of others, and valuing that emotional care one holds in others is not a bad thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 07/18/17 7:41:14 AM #150:	gunplagirl posted... Pray tell how wanting recognition of our identities as valid is possibly a bad idea? How is not wanting our identities dismissed based upon science that isn't even 100% accurate bad? How is wanting our identities accepted without regard for our presentation and passability remotely bad? The only person throwing bad ideas into others arguments here is your side, BTW. " well gunplagirl said something I don't agree with, maybe she also believes in these other things I don't agree with." Go ahead and find what views of mine are harmful though. And be sure to designate how, with regard to intersectional issues faced along socioeconomic and racial lines in particular. But that's expecting too much, I'm guessing? Because it would require you actually agree that privilege exists and minority groups don't have it. Honestly, you're fighting AGAINST what most transgender people want. Acknowledging you as your gender identity IS recognizing you as your identity. But you also want being trans itself to be recognized? Isn't that completely against the aim of transgenderism They want to be viewed as the gender they are, not something different. You actually WANT to be seen as different from cis/biological women? Transgenders who are so uncomfortable of their biological sex that they feel dysphoric of their bodies certainly don't want that, to have people think there are any male aspects in their presentation. This is what I mean. You're not fighting for actual transgenders. You're fighting for your little subsect of non-binary "tucutes" aka tumblrinas who treats gender like clothing. With your mindset you're literally going against what most people with dysphoria (you know, the ones with the most suicide and violence against them, and who actually have good reason to be treated as the other gender rather than "I'm special") desire. The mindset that harms the transgender community is yours. gunplagirl posted... Oh but wait, you brought up rape as though that's even fantastically reasonable as a comparison. And I said you're not because you said " I must be" in a context after saying I'm not. Now, there's this whole concept in the English language where certain things can be implied or inferred. And the implication was very strong given the intonation. Sure it is, rape being exonerated as something that can help people is just about as likely as something other than the brain that would locate gender. It's just a showing of how fantastically unreasonable your statements are. Again, what else could it be, your soul? But then again you've once said biological sex doesn't even exist so I don't know why I'm arguing with a complete loon like you. gunplagirl posted... And I said you're not because you said " I must be" in a context after saying I'm not. Now, there's this whole concept in the English language where certain things can be implied or inferred. And the implication was very strong given the intonation. Nah, that's subjective and speaks more about your mindset and how you're willing to dismiss your own ideals as long as it's against your opponent. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:883130315] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote> Pray tell how wanting recognition of our identities as valid is possibly a bad idea? How is not wanting our identities dismissed based upon science that isn't even 100% accurate bad? How is wanting our identities accepted without regard for our presentation and passability remotely bad? The only person throwing bad ideas into others arguments here is your side, BTW. " well gunplagirl said something I don't agree with, maybe she also believes in these other things I don't agree with." Go ahead and find what views of mine are harmful though. And be sure to designate how, with regard to intersectional issues faced along socioeconomic and racial lines in particular. But that's expecting too much, I'm guessing? Because it would require you actually agree that privilege exists and minority groups don't have it.</quote> Honestly, you're fighting AGAINST what most transgender people want. Acknowledging you as your gender identity IS recognizing you as your identity. But you also want being trans itself to be recognized? Isn't that completely against the aim of transgenderism They want to be viewed as the gender they are, not something different. You actually WANT to be seen as different from cis/biological women? Transgenders who are so uncomfortable of their biological sex that they feel dysphoric of their bodies certainly don't want that, to have people think there are any male aspects in their presentation. This is what I mean. You're not fighting for actual transgenders. You're fighting for your little subsect of non-binary "tucutes" aka tumblrinas who treats gender like clothing. With your mindset you're literally going against what most people with dysphoria (you know, the ones with the most suicide and violence against them, and who actually have good reason to be treated as the other gender rather than "I'm special") desire. The mindset that harms the transgender community is yours. <cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Oh but wait, you brought up rape as though that's even fantastically reasonable as a comparison. And I said you're not because you said " I must be" in a context after saying I'm not. Now, there's this whole concept in the English language where certain things can be implied or inferred. And the implication was very strong given the intonation. </quote> Sure it is, rape being exonerated as something that can help people is just about as likely as something other than the brain that would locate gender. It's just a showing of how fantastically unreasonable your statements are. Again, what else could it be, your soul? But then again you've once said biological sex doesn't even exist so I don't know why I'm arguing with a complete loon like you. <cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>And I said you're not because you said " I must be" in a context after saying I'm not. Now, there's this whole concept in the English language where certain things can be implied or inferred. And the implication was very strong given the intonation.</quote> Nah, that's subjective and speaks more about your mindset and how you're willing to dismiss your own ideals as long as it's against your opponent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 07/18/17 7:46:58 AM #151:	gunplagirl posted... As for your edit, if you think it's even remotely comparable to anti-vaccination hysteria then you're at least acknowledging being trans is dangerous, but the source is misplaced. You can't say you support trans people if you want to erase them, regardless of the intention behind how you'd erase them. Medically speaking there's very few medical risks in transitioning and all can come down to A) external sources such as medical discrimination, abuse and other violence from others And B) hormone related risks which aren't very high and the issues are the exact same their cis counterparts face from the hormones. Being trans isn't some lethal disease and isn't able to be spread to others. Intellectual dishonesty is not admirable at all. No, being trans means you want to be the other sex. That's the whole point of the term. That's why so many people still commit suicide after transitioning and how transitioning itself has so many things like hormones and changing your lifestyle. You really think your child would WANT to go through transitioning, changing their lifestyle in front of their peers, to having to consistently use drugs as medication and at the end still not fully getting what they want? It's like being anti-vaccination because you're not thinking about your child. You're only thinking about your own selfish ideals. Here's even a smaller example. When you get your transgender baby, are you going to name them their biological sex, or the gender of the sex they're transitioning to (if you can't bypass that by giving them an androgynous name)? If you choose the latter, it's basically the same thing here, bypassing a transition aspect, on a smaller less significant scale because you can't completely turn them into the sex they want like the hypothetical treatment. By your logic you would be naming them their biological sex because that way they'd get to be trans when they change it later rather than be born with the name they want. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:883130457] in If you kne... [t:75577103]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>As for your edit, if you think it's even remotely comparable to anti-vaccination hysteria then you're at least acknowledging being trans is dangerous, but the source is misplaced. You can't say you support trans people if you want to erase them, regardless of the intention behind how you'd erase them. Medically speaking there's very few medical risks in transitioning and all can come down to A) external sources such as medical discrimination, abuse and other violence from others And B) hormone related risks which aren't very high and the issues are the exact same their cis counterparts face from the hormones. Being trans isn't some lethal disease and isn't able to be spread to others. Intellectual dishonesty is not admirable at all.</quote> No, being trans means you want to be the other sex. That's the whole point of the term. That's why so many people still commit suicide after transitioning and how transitioning itself has so many things like hormones and changing your lifestyle. You really think your child would WANT to go through transitioning, changing their lifestyle in front of their peers, to having to consistently use drugs as medication and at the end still not fully getting what they want? It's like being anti-vaccination because you're not thinking about your child. You're only thinking about your own selfish ideals. Here's even a smaller example. When you get your transgender baby, are you going to name them their biological sex, or the gender of the sex they're transitioning to (if you can't bypass that by giving them an androgynous name)? If you choose the latter, it's basically the same thing here, bypassing a transition aspect, on a smaller less significant scale because you can't completely turn them into the sex they want like the hypothetical treatment. By your logic you would be naming them their biological sex because that way they'd get to be trans when they change it later rather than be born with the name they want.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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