Board 8 > ~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners

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Obellisk posted...

dowolf posted...

like.

this is fucking Mafia 101.

We have two cop claims.

One of them, the target has not claimed to be a miller. We test that one first.

Then we go from there.

Two scan claims. Let's not jump to conclusions.

scare did use the word 'guilty' tho
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masterplum posted...

Wait

Did pez really jump from scare to me

Really?

Really?

ayup
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I am starting to reconsider my Dowolf read

I was under the impression Dowolf was a competent player, but he is pushing it.
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I assume because you argued with him over Oddity
thats the best I can gather
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Votals as of post #102 (Death)

[4] pezloco - (KBM), Plum, KBM, (SBell), Phoenix, Death
[4] Plum - Scare, Lolo, Dowolf, pezloco
[0] Death - (pezloco)
[0] Scare - (KBM), (pezloco)
[0] Sceptile - (Dowolf)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends at 9:00:00 PM EDT on Sunday (About 33 hours and 35 minutes)
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Obellisk posted...

dowolf posted...

like.

this is fucking Mafia 101.

We have two cop claims.

One of them, the target has not claimed to be a miller. We test that one first.

Then we go from there.

Two scan claims. Let's not jump to conclusions.

You are correct. But that's not the point. The point is, there is literally no point in trying to guess which of the two is lying, because there's a decent chance both of them are telling the truth anyways.

And in a small-ish game with multiple scanners, suddenly a miller starts making more sense. But that's neither here nor there.
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htaeD posted...

I assume because you argued with him over Oddity
thats the best I can gather

I am completely at a loss for words how anyone could look at this and think he is Town
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htaeD posted...

Obellisk posted...

dowolf posted...

like.

this is fucking Mafia 101.

We have two cop claims.

One of them, the target has not claimed to be a miller. We test that one first.

Then we go from there.

Two scan claims. Let's not jump to conclusions.

scare did use the word 'guilty' tho

Wrong. Scare said scum. Kbm said guilty
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dowolf posted...

like.

this is fucking Mafia 101.

We have two cop claims.

One of them, the target has not claimed to be a miller. We test that one first.

Then we go from there.

You dont want to lynch the miller that didn't claim d1? Literally bog standard play and kbm is a million times more trustworthy.

if pez had claimed miller right away and/or not looked terrible at the end of day1
then I might have felt more lenient towards him
but as it stands, him being scum just fits everything better
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Plum, if you were town, you would know that a 1-for-1 trade is fine and correct. You would know this would be the correct play. You wouldn't like it, but you would know it.

Instead, you belittle and demean me.
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dowolf posted...

Plum, if you were town, you would know that a 1-for-1 trade is fine and correct. You would know this would be the correct play. You wouldn't like it, but you would know it.

Instead, you belittle and demean me.

A 1 for 1 trade is fine unless, you know, you can get the 1 for 0 trade by not being stupid
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I don't particularly care about the miller-claims-d1 meta, no.
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Obellisk posted...

htaeD posted...

Obellisk posted...

dowolf posted...

like.

this is fucking Mafia 101.

We have two cop claims.

One of them, the target has not claimed to be a miller. We test that one first.

Then we go from there.

Two scan claims. Let's not jump to conclusions.

scare did use the word 'guilty' tho

Wrong. Scare said scum. Kbm said guilty

oh, equated the two in my memory
okay yes that does allow for more vagueness
and I worry that if scare is scum, hes gonna suddenly come in and say he was something else like a tracker

but Plum, you did say you couldnt/shouldnt have been found guilty by any scanning powers, right?
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masterplum posted...

dowolf posted...

Plum, if you were town, you would know that a 1-for-1 trade is fine and correct. You would know this would be the correct play. You wouldn't like it, but you would know it.

Instead, you belittle and demean me.

A 1 for 1 trade is fine unless, you know, you can get the 1 for 0 trade by not being stupid

Is not stupid to have doubt.
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I now understand what arguing with an Anti-Vaxer must feel like
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masterplum posted...

I now understand what arguing with an Anti-Vaxer must feel like

OK, I lold
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htaeD posted...

Obellisk posted...

htaeD posted...

Obellisk posted...

dowolf posted...

like.

this is fucking Mafia 101.

We have two cop claims.

One of them, the target has not claimed to be a miller. We test that one first.

Then we go from there.

Two scan claims. Let's not jump to conclusions.

scare did use the word 'guilty' tho

Wrong. Scare said scum. Kbm said guilty

oh, equated the two in my memory
okay yes that does allow for more vagueness
and I worry that if scare is scum, hes gonna suddenly come in and say he was something else like a tracker

but Plum, you did say you couldnt/shouldnt have been found guilty by any scanning powers, right?

Correct.
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Scare scans Plum scum

Plum claims Scare is lying OR insane scanning

KBM scans Pez guilty

Pez claims Miller


Scare fought with Chris all day one over a chessboard. Chris main target of oddity is town, Chris is town. Scare scum doesn't do this against chris, knowing chris can be easily nk. I believe scare at this point.

Plum hinted power
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The best I can come up with in the scare is Town scenario, is scare scanned me with something that isn't definitive but looks like I am scum, and he decided to roll with it seeing if I would crack

A detective scan of mafia godfather/Mafia Assassin/my actual role for example.


It's not completely out of the picture. Could also explain why he is slow to come back and elaborate more.
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Oops, hit post message
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Plum hints power but won't claim. Probably because scum doesn't know what will seal their fate yet.
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Obellisk posted...

Plum hints power but won't claim. Probably because scum doesn't know what will seal their fate yet.

Or because claiming is dumb?
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Crazy theory no. 1. Scare AND Plum are scum. Attempting to secure a victory by "confirming" one or the other based on action.
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Obellisk posted...

Crazy theory no. 1. Scare AND Plum are scum. Attempting to secure a victory by "confirming" one or the other based on action.

I would never sign off on that in a million years.
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let's, uh.

let's not jump off the deep end just yet, eh, SBell?
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I said crazy
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yeah I dont think so
not this early in the game with no other scanners revealed yet
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Obellisk posted...

Crazy theory no. 1. Scare AND Plum are scum. Attempting to secure a victory by "confirming" one or the other based on action.

That is the old school generic scum power play. Bus and ride it to victory.

In the back of my mind but its a long ways down the road.

Leafeon13N posted...

Obellisk posted...

Crazy theory no. 1. Scare AND Plum are scum. Attempting to secure a victory by "confirming" one or the other based on action.

That is the old school generic scum power play. Bus and ride it to victory.

In the back of my mind but its a long ways down the road.

Also draws out town power claims.
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Red, thoughts on all this?
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Obellisk posted...

Red, thoughts on all this?

Pez is scum, we deal with that first(on top of the scan, it reconciles the tom death as well).

Scare has been making weird plays recently(not just in this game), i have very little reason to trust him period right now. Still very interested in seeing what he is going to come back with.

Plum is a wildcard, but i have no idea how hes been pushed this hard when the kbm side of things feels more trustworthy(pez is rber maybe?)

Red.

Do you honestly think Plum is town?
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Why are people just willing to take the word of someone who's posted once and then actively ignored the topic?

Dowolf when you are town you are way smarter than this.

Why are you not?
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Because I have a scan and he's given me no reason to believe there are two town scanners in this 15-person game.

He's given me no reason to believe anything; he hasn't bothered to be here.

One obvious reason for there being two scanners is that that balances out well with having a miller.

But never mind that. How is Scare's absence scummy? How is it anything, really?
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ScareChan posted...

##Vote: Plum

scanned him scum

Literally all he's done.

Let's not follow someone who's literally not trying at all.

dowolf posted...

One obvious reason for there being two scanners is that that balances out well with having a miller.

But never mind that. How is Scare's absence scummy? How is it anything, really?

What the fuck kind of scanner would drop three words' worth of information and then flee from the topic for 12 hours (even posting elsewhere in that time)?

But never mind, I guess I understand his AIRTIGHT REASONING on plum. After all, he said "scanned him scum", which is all anybody ever needs to say when they're playing mafia. >_>

My nightmare is that this is FFD all over again but yeah. I neither want to lynch someone while they're not here nor do I want to blindly follow them onto a train I don't trust.

You seem really, really, really, really determined to swing the lynch in that direction though based on Scare's super-super-unbelievably-obviously-true scan. It's making you look really bad.

Vengeful_KBM posted...

What the fuck kind of scanner would drop three words' worth of information and then flee from the topic for 12 hours (even posting elsewhere in that time)?

What the fuck kind of scum would do exactly that and then flee from the topic for 12 hours?

Again. You have successfully argued that Scare's behavior is annoying and detrimental to town. That's all you've argued.
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dowolf posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

What the fuck kind of scanner would drop three words' worth of information and then flee from the topic for 12 hours (even posting elsewhere in that time)?

What the fuck kind of scum would do exactly that and then flee from the topic for 12 hours?

Again. You have successfully argued that Scare's behavior is annoying and detrimental to town. That's all you've argued.

masterplum posted...

The best I can come up with in the scare is Town scenario, is scare scanned me with something that isn't definitive but looks like I am scum, and he decided to roll with it seeing if I would crack

A detective scan of mafia godfather/Mafia Assassin/my actual role for example.


It's not completely out of the picture. Could also explain why he is slow to come back and elaborate more.

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Then clearly we should treat him as the only person who could possibly know what we should do next.

You've been trying to stonewall the town since the beginning of this day, dowolf.

dowolf posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

And radio silence.

I mean, I said my piece. Like Red and I have both alluded to, Scare probably should have played his cards closer to his chest; but he didn't, which means we're lynching Plum in about 24 hours, and the day is largely going to grind to a halt until then. So it goes.

That was from before I revealed my scan and you're still saying all the same boring, wrong, lazy things.

Vengeful_KBM posted...

You seem really, really, really, really determined to swing the lynch in that direction though based on Scare's super-super-unbelievably-obviously-true scan. It's making you look really bad.

Why would you say that last sentence?

It literally serves no purpose except to try to get me to shut up. It doesn't convince people to go after me, it doesn't even imply that I'm scum. It just implies that you want me to shut the fuck up.

So. Why say it?
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I dont want to give scare excuses
but I hope he tells us why he made his claim so early and quick

if he wanted to fake a scan or reveal a real one, he could have done this a lot better
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masterplum posted...

The best I can come up with in the scare is Town scenario, is scare scanned me with something that isn't definitive but looks like I am scum, and he decided to roll with it seeing if I would crack

Okay, but this feels like he's just not even looking at the topic at all and doesn't CARE how you're responding. If he's not just straightforwardly cop, he KNOWS that presenting that scan the way he did is probably going to draw out another power claim. It's completely anti-town.

dowolf posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

You seem really, really, really, really determined to swing the lynch in that direction though based on Scare's super-super-unbelievably-obviously-true scan. It's making you look really bad.

Why would you say that last sentence?

It literally serves no purpose except to try to get me to shut up. It doesn't convince people to go after me, it doesn't even imply that I'm scum. It just implies that you want me to shut the fuck up.

So. Why say it?

Because you look like fucking scum and I can say that if I want?

Vengeful_KBM posted...

masterplum posted...

The best I can come up with in the scare is Town scenario, is scare scanned me with something that isn't definitive but looks like I am scum, and he decided to roll with it seeing if I would crack

Okay, but this feels like he's just not even looking at the topic at all and doesn't CARE how you're responding. If he's not just straightforwardly cop, he KNOWS that presenting that scan the way he did is probably going to draw out another power claim. It's completely anti-town.

I'm not arguing with that.

But I have been burned before by Town making hilariously terrible moves which obviously could not possibly be Town.
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And I'm not trying to get you to shut up by calling you scum either. I'm trying to call you scum. You can talk to your heart's desire, I'm not some Chris.

dowolf posted...

It literally serves no purpose except to try to get me to shut up. It doesn't convince people to go after me, it doesn't even imply that I'm scum. It just implies that you want me to shut the fuck up.

So yeah, a translation of this:

"Lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies".

Nothing he says here is true.