Board 8 > ~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 4 - Revere the Emperor, Expel the Foreigners

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Sceptilesolar posted...

Stop quibbling with SBell when you promised to look through the game properly...

Well, yeah, quibbling with SBell is worthless.

You want to be the first ISO?
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Hey Scept. Same question but you can truncate for me. With the state of affairs as they are and add you've had time to digest, top 3 and bottom 3?
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Obellisk posted...

Hey Scept. Same question but you can truncate for me. With the state of affairs as they are and add you've had time to digest, top 3 and bottom 3?

Fine.

Most Town (exclude me):
Plum
Scare. As I've said before, Scare's bluff led me to believe with a high degree of confidence that both of them are Town. Plum was very confident he wasn't scanned guilty, and Scare would be acting quite reckless to throw out a claim like that as scum. I don't feel like scum would invite the counter like that just to put on an act.
KBM. I believe her claim.

Least Town:
Pez. Obviously.
Dowolf. Pez defended dowolf at the beginning of the day from me, which really looks bad now. I want dowolf dead next.
VI. I get that life is a problem, but VI has not been playing this game, and I have a lot of respect for him as Town. Even when he does post, it hasn't been anything particularly insightful. He gets the edge over Lolo because I know to expect better.
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That's not in order, by the way. The Scum list is listed #1 most scummy to #3, but the Town list, KBM is the most towny, then Scare and plum are roughly even at #2.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

Dowolf. Pez defended dowolf at the beginning of the day from me, which really looks bad now. I want dowolf dead next.

Pez had been defending me all game even when I was attacking him. This is an awful reason to base your dowolf hate.
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Can't say I'm a huge fan of dragging the day to the end. I can't be the only one really just wanting to know pezs flip and feeling burned out otherwise. Can make more sense of everything knowing what he flips, otherwise i just have speculation.

Obellisk posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

Dowolf. Pez defended dowolf at the beginning of the day from me, which really looks bad now. I want dowolf dead next.

Pez had been defending me all game even when I was attacking him. This is an awful reason to base your dowolf hate.

I also think you could easily be scum, so...
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Fair.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Can't say I'm a huge fan of dragging the day to the end. I can't be the only one really just wanting to know pezs flip and feeling burned out otherwise. Can make more sense of everything knowing what he flips, otherwise i just have speculation.

Wow, this seems like a really poor post to me. Sure, pez's flip is what we're waiting for, but stuff is happening. There was the Scare and plum stuff going on for much of today, some inactives need to make their presence known... I really don't feel good about you wanting to keep other people from thinking about the game.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Can't say I'm a huge fan of dragging the day to the end. I can't be the only one really just wanting to know pezs flip and feeling burned out otherwise. Can make more sense of everything knowing what he flips, otherwise i just have speculation.

Wow, this seems like a really poor post to me. Sure, pez's flip is what we're waiting for, but stuff is happening. There was the Scare and plum stuff going on for much of today, some inactives need to make their presence known... I really don't feel good about you wanting to keep other people from thinking about the game.

I'm not saying end the day right away. I'm fine with everyone getting out what they have to say. Just don't want to see a slow crawl to the deadline.

Red is right.

like.

Once/if Lolo says his piece, I'm putting down my vote.
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Lolo is scum too
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This is fucking stupid, trying to jam 96 hours of mafia playing in a dead day. Thank you all for being blunt enough for me to see it.

Like, here's the thing.
This whole game is about conflict. Clashing. Gaining a further understanding of people by talking TO them, not being a passive observer. And I've failed that. 100%. Heck, I flat out refused to answer (SBell's) question tonight. But that's the problem. If I cannot bring myself to actually talk about the game I have no business whatsoever being IN the game.

Going through the past topics is just being a passive observer, and while I enjoy that when there's nothing at stake (I often peruse mafia topics when I'm not playing, because I enjoy it), the reason to play is the ability to play an active role in the topic.

It's not fair to me that the only time I have to form well-reasoned opinions is during a completely dead time where all I get for trying to get my brain back to SERIOUS BUSINESS is scorn.
It's not fair to all of you that you have to deal with my failures as a player, and my ineptitude.
But then, it wouldn't be fair to any replacement to deal with my mess.

I'm going to get some sleep.
Do what you will.
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ScareChan posted...

Lolo is scum too

This is getting harder to disagree with. Spends all his time talking about his activity.

Lolo_Guru posted...

This is fucking stupid, trying to jam 96 hours of mafia playing in a dead day. Thank you all for being blunt enough for me to see it.

Like, here's the thing.
This whole game is about conflict. Clashing. Gaining a further understanding of people by talking TO them, not being a passive observer. And I've failed that. 100%. Heck, I flat out refused to answer (SBell's) question tonight. But that's the problem. If I cannot bring myself to actually talk about the game I have no business whatsoever being IN the game.

Going through the past topics is just being a passive observer, and while I enjoy that when there's nothing at stake (I often peruse mafia topics when I'm not playing, because I enjoy it), the reason to play is the ability to play an active role in the topic.

It's not fair to me that the only time I have to form well-reasoned opinions is during a completely dead time where all I get for trying to get my brain back to SERIOUS BUSINESS is scorn.
It's not fair to all of you that you have to deal with my failures as a player, and my ineptitude.
But then, it wouldn't be fair to any replacement to deal with my mess.

I'm going to get some sleep.
Do what you will.

Gonna be honest, half the time I feel like you trying to do random pop ups and votes is just you trying to fish for a reaction to your play. At least, that's what I think.
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well that happened.

anyways.

##Unvote;
##Vote: Pez.
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Haven't seen votals in a while.

Scum:
Pez
Lolo
VI
?????

Maybe scept, maybe red.

Back to bed. Nor feeling good.
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well if we're making scum lists now with our time (and the day does seem to be dying off)
Pez (obviously)
Lolo (dont like his overly dramatic woe is me act)
probably VI too (he's more subdued than usual)

also leaning Phoenix as scum, he has been awfully quiet

I am not sure on Plum or Dowolf yet, but Plum handled himself well at the very leasy
and Dowolf would have to be very suicidal to defend Pez this much
thought in the end it depends on what Pez will flip and if Plum is town or scum. if Pez flips scumroleblocker or something on the same level, then it could be that plum was a sacrifice
thats a concern for later
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Why are we ending the day.

The new day isn't starting before Monday night anyways. If you don't like it then just don't post.
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Yeah If we were going to end early then we had to do it last night by 8-9pm.

No reason to stop now just to see a flip.
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true
maybe Pez will say more
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I mean.

if someone else had voted around when i did, day probably starts tonight.

Alas.
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Votals as of post #322 (dowolf)

[6] pezloco - (KBM), Plum, KBM, (SBell), Phoenix, Death, Scare, Dowolf
[1] Death - (pezloco), pezloco
[0] Plum - (Scare), (Lolo), (Dowolf), (pezloco)
[0] Scare - (KBM), (pezloco)
[0] Sceptile - (Dowolf)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends at 9:00:00 PM EDT tonight (About 10 hours and 30 minutes)

Since this is being discussed, I'll make this announcement.

If day ends early, here's how I'm going to run it:
If every living player PMs me before 8:30 PM tonight, day will start at 9 PM tonight
Otherwise, day will start at 9 PM EDT tomorrow, regardless of when it ends today.
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If we can start early then I'll drop my vote. But we should have a clear consensus.
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There is no way that everyone will agree to start day early.
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I'll make this easy

I'm not going to PM to start the day early. So don't do it.
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##unvote
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Sceptilesolar posted...

There is no way that everyone will agree to start day early.

Well it's really a matter of power roles / scum. We don't need everyone to agree.

However plum blatantly throwing his weight around does nip that pretty quik.
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There are several reasons for it. It's dumb to make bad decisions because you are impatient, I (and I assume many others) are more active on weekdays then weekends so I don't want a dead Sunday, day 4 ending on Friday sounds horrible for activity


It's just bad everywhere.
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The only thing I hasn't considered was the future day endings.

Plums right
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Weekdays are usually better for me personally but its fine.

Also gfaqs is back to having browser hijack mobile ads, eating my posts.

Morning.

Still stressed out.

Who is your strongest town read, Death?
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Lololololol, you gonna give an opinion on anyone or just continue as you have
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masterplum posted...

I'll make this easy

I'm not going to PM to start the day early. So don't do it.

did you..
did you just softclaim power for no reason?
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Lolo_Guru posted...

Morning.

Still stressed out.

Who is your strongest town read, Death?

does KBM count?
she's the only one I am 99 % sure is town

Sbell would be next, seems the most active and hasnt done anything wrong as far as I can recall
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htaeD posted...

masterplum posted...

I'll make this easy

I'm not going to PM to start the day early. So don't do it.

did you..
did you just softclaim power for no reason?

disregard this, I cant read
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What has SBell done that you consider right, Death?
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nothing specific
its more the lack of 'wrongs' that make me like him

but being involved and vocal, you could call a 'right'
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btw I am about to go see Dunkirk, so if you have any more questions, better ask them quickly
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htaeD posted...

btw I am about to go see Dunkirk, so if you have any more questions, better ask them quickly

Enjoy your dunkirk.

If I come up with more, you'll be back later, after all.
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Lolo, can you give me your top town and top I. Not including the obv. Lynch
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@Sceptilesolar, how do you go from

Sceptilesolar posted...

We could resolve things even more easily if we lynched Scare.

to

Sceptilesolar posted...

Scare. As I've said before, Scare's bluff led me to believe with a high degree of confidence that both of them are Town. Plum was very confident he wasn't scanned guilty, and Scare would be acting quite reckless to throw out a claim like that as scum. I don't feel like scum would invite the counter like that just to put on an act.

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Scum* goddammit phone
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Lolo_Guru posted...

@Sceptilesolar, how do you go from

Sceptilesolar posted...

We could resolve things even more easily if we lynched Scare.

to

Sceptilesolar posted...

Scare. As I've said before, Scare's bluff led me to believe with a high degree of confidence that both of them are Town. Plum was very confident he wasn't scanned guilty, and Scare would be acting quite reckless to throw out a claim like that as scum. I don't feel like scum would invite the counter like that just to put on an act.

It took me a while to figure out Scare was probably bluffing. For a while I wanted to lynch him under a counterclaim. Would have been easier.
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pezloco posted...

Dowolf I think Death is the best vote. I know he isn't here but that's not my fault. I won't vote Oddity. If you can give me a good alternative, I'll do my best to engage it.

pez says this end of Day 1 yet never actually engages or switches his votes to either of the options involved (Sceptile, Lolo)

Hm...
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Nice find. I don't think that says anything about Death, given the unlikelihood of that happening (even b8 specials aren't usually dumb enough to kill someone we know isn't around), but it does raise more suspicion on the other two.
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Sbell questioning Scare's bluff when it's been questioned into the ground feels like someone trying to look town
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Btw my carpool bailed on me this morning. Not having to drive to and from work was a good chunk of my availability today. Going to be on my way home right around deadline time.

Phoenix-Smasher posted...

Sbell questioning Scare's bluff when it's been questioned into the ground feels like someone trying to look town

Where did Sbell do this?
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Obellisk posted...

Look, scare is scum. I would just like him to clarify a single fucking thing before we kill him.

He is ignoring every request to elaborate and as town I don't not appreciate being mislead.

Obellisk posted...

And yes, I realize in my statement I call scare scum and then act like he's town.

Obellisk posted...

htaeD posted...

what does he need to elaborate on?
the hypothesized roleblock?

I need to have it explained to me, lIke I'm a 4 year old.

How do you say you faked a scan yet you were roleblocked.

Why say these things and then accuse your faked scan target of godfather

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