Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 116: Procedural Drama

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Jakyl25 posted...

How do you "make progress" with the Senate Parliamentarian?

Rewording it to be technically compliant I guess

Anyway, hopefully these Senators can be made to realize that Ryan's promises to take this to conference are completely meaningless, and that even if he does try a conference he can still just pass the skinny bill without Senate input if the conference fails.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/890674613914447873

(As always the Pelosi quote is out of context, but I'll allow it here)
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https://mobile.twitter.com/igorbobic/status/890679639395512322

What a quote

Also read the full story. The Mooch is insane.
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he sounds like he might literally set the white house on fire
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Scaramucci: "I’m not Steve Bannon, I’m not trying to suck my own cock.”

http://www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizza/anthony-scaramucci-called-me-to-unload-about-white-house-leakers-reince-priebus-and-steve-bannon/amp

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The funny thing is it started working after I quoted it.

Not immediately, but soon after.

Twitter is weird and I hate using it.
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Christ, Scaramucci is a crazy man.
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I'm actually not sure yet.

He could just be a clever guy that knows that Trump loves both being fellatiated at every turn and dramatically putting down everyone else.

If he's just crazy, whatever. But if he's smart enough, he could get pretty dangerous in the future.
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the spice man was right. holy shit.
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Spicey come back.

Save us from the Mooch.
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In poll-related news, today's Rasmussen poll is pretty brutal - 25% strongly approve of Trump (tied for his lowest mark since taking office) compared to 49% strongly disapprove, for an approval index of -24 (the lowest it's been since Inauguration Day). Total approval is just 41% to 59% disapproval, again the lowest it's ever been.
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He could mean that about Bannon literally and I'd believe it
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What brought it down -- the health care stuff? I wouldn't have expected people to break with the president over that.
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for what it's worth, there's a good chunk of trump's fanbase that likes this kind of attitude.
it's that "tells it like it is" style.

but spicer leaving was pretty much the only thing he could do because he's already not able to keep up with one crazed cannon, like hell he's dealing with a second.
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dowolf posted...

What brought it down -- the health care stuff? I wouldn't have expected people to break with the president over that.

Hard to say! None of today's numbers are sudden spikes, they all follow from pretty well-established trends.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history
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Not_an_Owl posted...

In poll-related news, today's Rasmussen poll is pretty brutal - 25% strongly approve of Trump (tied for his lowest mark since taking office) compared to 49% strongly disapprove, for an approval index of -24 (the lowest it's been since Inauguration Day). Total approval is just 41% to 59% disapproval, again the lowest it's ever been.

Hey he finally tied Obama's all-time low
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15 days ago

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/885131482397908992
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mooch is incredible
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Jakyl25 posted...

Not_an_Owl posted...

In poll-related news, today's Rasmussen poll is pretty brutal - 25% strongly approve of Trump (tied for his lowest mark since taking office) compared to 49% strongly disapprove, for an approval index of -24 (the lowest it's been since Inauguration Day). Total approval is just 41% to 59% disapproval, again the lowest it's ever been.

Hey he finally tied Obama's all-time low

I was about to say, I keep checking Rasmussen just for that day.
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I can only hope this leads to a flame war between the Breitbarters and Mooch
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i wouldn't worry.
he's just mooching off bannon's success.

it'll be fixed once he gets smooched and armdragged down like a luch(ador).
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Is the level of discourse really any worse than it was in centuries' past?


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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/27/16035644/republicans-obamacare-repeal-lying


Nothing in here is particularly shocking or anything but it's good to be reminded how far into the weeds we really are with this healthcare bill
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Anyone following what McCain and Graham are saying? They're only going to vote for skinny repeal if the House vows not to rubber stamp it, and Paul Ryan is supposedly saying they will behind the scenes but the House is publically saying they can't give this reassurance until they see the bill.

They are playing chicken with healthcare.
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With their own party!
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If Graham or McCain had an ounce of personal integrity theyd put a shotgun in the mouth of this process and put it out of its misery.

They dont owe Trump or McConnell anything and are both likely in their final terms. They literally have nothing to lose by sticking to their actual convictions.
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Eddv posted...

If Graham or McCain had an ounce of personal integrity theyd put a shotgun in the mouth of this process and put it out of its misery.

They dont owe Trump or McConnell anything and are both likely in their final terms. They literally have nothing to lose by sticking to their actual convictions.

Didn't McCain just get re-elected? He could have killed this at MTP, why should he give one shit about voting along party lines when he'd be 86 the next re-election and has a fucking brain tumor.

Tell Trump to sit and spin.
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Also Nevada's governor came out against this which Heller said would have a major influence on his vote.

Likelihood he stands by that conviction?
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TheRock1525 posted...

Also Nevada's governor came out against this which Heller said would have a major influence on his vote.

Likelihood he stands by that conviction?

It will have a major influence on his vote.

It's just that other things will have more major influence.
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This does make me think that skinny repeal is a lot less likely to pass, though. Last night I was almost positive due to the desire to just pass anything but there's such a massive level of infighting that peeling away one more no vote seems more likely than not.
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TheRock1525 posted...

This does make me think that skinny repeal is a lot less likely to pass, though. Last night I was almost positive due to the desire to just pass anything but there's such a massive level of infighting that peeling away one more no vote seems more likely than not.

The thing is, no one wants to be the one that kills the GOP's vow to repeal Obamacare. It's way more likely the final vote ends up being more like 42-58 than 49-51, because that way the dissenters can all say to the conservatives in their state "well it wasn't MY fault, there were all those other senators lining up to kill the bill and my vote wouldn't have mattered anyway".
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Man, "I voted for it but I didn't mean for it to really pass" is going to make for such a compelling reelection defense.
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https://news.vice.com/story/don-jr-meeting-was-a-kremlin-backed-affair-lawyer-testifies

The meeting between Don. Jr and the Russians in Trump Tower last year was “absolutely” a Kremlin-backed effort to repeal the Magnitsky Act. That’s the assertion by Bill Browder, the American financier who was expelled from Russia for exposing corruption, in his testimony to the Judiciary committee Thursday. Browder also testified that the lawyer who wanted the meeting in the first place, Natalia Veselnitskaya, “was definitely working for the Russians — no question.”

“Nobody was talking about adoption,” Browder said, speaking in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee Thursday morning. “They were talking about repealing the Magnitsky Act so that Russian torturers and murderers could freely travel and keep their money in the U.S.”

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the more time this takes, the better.
because that means more of the "wait how many people are going to be uninsured?" question pops up and they can't force it through.
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this is so dumb

The Senate can't come up with anything that can get 50 votes but expect that the House can in conference? lmao

The only way this makes sense is if the House and Senate are both trying to find a way to blame the other for the failure to get this done.

which involves playing chicken

with 1/6 of the economy and people's lives
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except the house isn't exactly playing chicken

ryan is playing his hand face-up, they are going to rubber stamp what the senate sends them so they can all wallow in their mistake for the sake of being able to say 'see? we did something lol'

it's entirely on the senate whether they want to be attached to this or not
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Honestly, it's amazing how the Republicans somehow have control of the presidency, both halls of congress, a majority of the state legislatures and yet they look more dysfunctional than the Dems.

The Dems look lost.
The Republicans look hopelessly lost.
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Well, yeah, the Senate can't possibly win this and it will ultimately be their fault no matter how this goes down.

But the only way this makes anything approaching sense to me is if the Senate's thinking is, "okay we'll pass skinny repeal, get a conference and then when whatever comes out of conference fails we'll say hey we passed a vote in the senate and it was all good until the house changed things and ruined it!"

remember when the house passed the ahca saying "don't worry the senate will fix it"

feels like it was years ago

If there was any justice or sanity left in the world, the Senate would vote this down and just admit defeat.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Honestly, it's amazing how the Republicans somehow have control of the presidency, both halls of congress, a majority of the state legislatures and yet they look more dysfunctional than the Dems.

The Dems look lost.
The Republicans look hopelessly lost.

The fundamental problem, of course, is that the ACA is already as far to the right as a reasonably sustainable national healthcare plan can be. You can't make it more market-based without destroying the basic mechanisms that make it work. The only way to improve on it (i.e. deliver better care to more people at lower prices) is to move it to the left, more towards a single-payer system. That, of course, is anathema to any proper big government-hating Republican. So the GOP is stuck in this weird place where they made promises to repeal the ACA, but all the possible replacements either deliver worse coverage or involve raising taxes and government expenditures.

I think a lot of Senate Republicans have resigned themselves to the fact that whatever they pass is going to hurt people and make health care in the U.S. markedly worse, now they're just looking for the plan that will hurt their re-election chances the least.
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the republicans aren't lost, they're terrified.
they know it's shit but also know they've rallied for churning out shit for the past 7 years.
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https://twitter.com/stew_boss/status/890706331744714752

Fare thee well, Heller. Nice knowing you.
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I mean, they're fucked either way, but they're probably less fucked if they don't pass anything (with the bonus of doing the right thing).
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Oh God apparently Sessions did an interview with Tucker Carlson and he was still kissing Trump's ass. The best he could say was his comments "kinda hurt."
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So I've been collecting news links since Donald Trump was sworn in on January 20th and am finally getting around to reviewing them and formatting them in some more useful way. It's...a lot, so I'm gonna do it by each month. Care to help me cover anything I might have missed in January (other months will come when I reformat them)? Many of these links listed below are links we've shared or talked about here, so get hyped for Memory Lane:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G2lYbMxUiHjaKHGiuY4f8wVgS1xnbrCLLRT-sivSJcQ/edit?usp=sharing
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1/20/2017

President Trump's Inauguration

1/21/2017

Trump Administration Goes to War with the Media

Yep...seems about right.
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https://judiciary.house.gov/press-release/goodlatte-judiciary-republicans-call-second-special-counsel-address-issues-outside-scope-special-counsel-muellers-investigation/

really now

GOP calling for a second special counsel to investigate Lynch, Obama, Comey, and Clinton
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GuessMyUserName posted...

https://judiciary.house.gov/press-release/goodlatte-judiciary-republicans-call-second-special-counsel-address-issues-outside-scope-special-counsel-muellers-investigation/

really now

GOP calling for a second special counsel to investigate Lynch, Obama, Comey, and Clinton

BUT HER EMAILS!
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