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joeun_saram
08/08/17 1:40:48 PM
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this box is stupid


what do you think

to me, the guy who dodged the draft and hasn't lied about it is less in the wrong here
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Alucard188
08/08/17 1:43:08 PM
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Stolen valor for sure. At least you're not trying to lie about your service if you're known as a draft dodger.
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salandrews
08/08/17 1:43:50 PM
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Stolen valor easily.

It's easy to understand why one wouldnt want to be in a war. May not be right but understandable.

Stealing valor is just saying you have no merits of your own so you have to pretend.
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Paper_Okami
08/08/17 1:45:01 PM
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salandrews posted...
It's easy to understand why one wouldnt want to be in a war. May not be right but understandable.


What is not right about not wanting to fight in a war?
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joeun_saram
08/08/17 1:47:37 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
What is not right about not wanting to fight in a war?

If you have a nationalistic mindset, perhaps it's equated to treason because you're not answering the call of the state?
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salandrews
08/08/17 1:56:10 PM
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joeun_saram posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
What is not right about not wanting to fight in a war?

If you have a nationalistic mindset, perhaps it's equated to treason because you're not answering the call of the state?


War is something most wont go into voluntarily. Its why drafts are implemented.

There's nothing wrong with not wanting to go, but there is definitely something wrong with not going after you've been drafted.
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PokeRocksUSA
08/08/17 1:56:47 PM
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Stolen valor for sure. Hell, my dad worked with a guy who got away with stealing his brother's valor for nearly two decades-- both in name and credentials. He even got into several police/security/government positions before my dad ended up figuring him out and reporting it.

He was a real shit head, and I have no idea how he pulled it off. I think he ended up getting a hefty prison sentence, but I never heard past his initial trial.
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boxington
08/08/17 1:58:10 PM
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stolen valor.

conscription is bullshit.
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joeun_saram
08/08/17 2:01:28 PM
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okay now a follow up question




do you guys think trump is a bad person for dodging the draft
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salandrews
08/08/17 2:05:28 PM
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joeun_saram posted...
okay now a follow up question




do you guys think trump is a bad person for dodging the draft


What was his excuse again? I forgot
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Anarchy_Juiblex
08/08/17 2:06:22 PM
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Draft dodge. You country calls on you and you've benefited so much from it, then you fail to live up to your responsibility. Fuck that.

Stolen valor is stupid but mostly harmless, draft dodging means someone else takes your spot.
Stolen valor is mostly try hard service members whining and posting youtube gotcha videos.
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joeun_saram
08/08/17 2:07:52 PM
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salandrews posted...
What was his excuse again? I forgot

he got student deferments and eventually got a medical one
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joeun_saram
08/08/17 2:08:08 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Stolen valor is stupid but mostly harmless

oh look at that, anarchy jubilex posting absolute nonsense again

i mean talk about a guy that doesn't know enough about the world to think in depth about anything
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DragonGirlYuki
08/08/17 2:10:01 PM
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Stolen valor for sure. That person is profiting off a lie which is pretty much fraud.
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TheGoldenState
08/08/17 2:16:53 PM
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I'm in the navy, and I was at a bar the other night. Yea yea, well anyway there was a chick there who said she had served in the navy. After one simple question that she answered very strangely "what was your rate?" which she didnt understand "do you mean my rank?". No girl, your rate. Well, turns out she had signed up but bailed before shipping to boot. People, man. Its not even fucking cool to be in the fuckin military.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
08/08/17 2:23:34 PM
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joeun_saram posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Stolen valor is stupid but mostly harmless

oh look at that, anarchy jubilex posting absolute nonsense again

i mean talk about a guy that doesn't know enough about the world to think in depth about anything


Different values and priorities.

Dodging the draft is a crime.
Stolen valor is only a crime if used to defraud and you're faking medals, not just service.

I think that speaks volumes about which is worse.
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joeun_saram
08/08/17 2:29:30 PM
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I think it speaks volumes that you think someone who would rather not go to war is worse than someone who'd lie about having made that sacrifice, in the face of everyone that actually did

also that you called stolen valor harmless is still so funny to me

joeun_saram posted...
i mean talk about a guy that doesn't know enough about the world to think in depth about anything

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ChromaticAngel
08/08/17 2:31:08 PM
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Alucard188 posted...
Stolen valor for sure. At least you're not trying to lie about your service if you're known as a draft dodger.


This.

Draft Dodging is also sympathetic if you can back it up with other actions. It's just Draft Dodging + Warmongering later that is stupid.
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deanshow
08/08/17 2:51:32 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Draft dodge. You country calls on you and you've benefited so much from it, then you fail to live up to your responsibility. Fuck that.

Stolen valor is stupid but mostly harmless, draft dodging means someone else takes your spot.
Stolen valor is mostly try hard service members whining and posting youtube gotcha videos.

LOL literally the worst poster making another shit post, something new and wonderful
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YellowSUV
08/08/17 3:05:16 PM
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Nothing wrong with not being a tool to be used in a stupid war. I have no problem with Trump being a draft dodger. Besides, there 1000s of other legit things that you can complain about Trump.
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salandrews
08/08/17 3:14:12 PM
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YellowSUV posted...
Nothing wrong with not being a tool to be used in a stupid war. I have no problem with Trump being a draft dodger. Besides, there 1000s of other legit things that you can complain about Trump.


Military service shouldn't be mandatory to be president, but dodging the draft should be make you ineligible for any gov't position.
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K181
08/08/17 3:15:33 PM
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Stolen valor, easily. And I'm not going to fault someone for not wanting to serve for any reason. Easy for us to have an opinion about draft dodgers when the United States hasn't used the draft for decades, after all.
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joeun_saram
08/08/17 3:33:33 PM
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salandrews posted...
but dodging the draft should be make you ineligible for any gov't position.

Why?
Trump didn't do anything illegal
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Paper_Okami
08/08/17 3:38:27 PM
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salandrews posted...
There's nothing wrong with not wanting to go, but there is definitely something wrong with not going after you've been drafted.


LMAO no there isn't.

War is bullshit.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
08/08/17 3:39:39 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
salandrews posted...
There's nothing wrong with not wanting to go, but there is definitely something wrong with not going after you've been drafted.


LMAO no there isn't.

War is bullshit.


Then don't sign your selective service papers.
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salandrews
08/08/17 3:42:31 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
salandrews posted...
There's nothing wrong with not wanting to go, but there is definitely something wrong with not going after you've been drafted.


LMAO no there isn't.

War is bulls***.


Thats wonderful idealistic thinking.
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XxKrazyChaosxX
08/08/17 3:44:40 PM
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Imagine if we had a draft in this day and age.
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DirkDiggles
08/08/17 3:48:32 PM
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joeun_saram posted...
salandrews posted...
but dodging the draft should be make you ineligible for any gov't position.

Why?
Trump didn't do anything illegal


Clinton and GHW Bush did also dodged.
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joeun_saram
08/08/17 3:50:33 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
joeun_saram posted...
salandrews posted...
but dodging the draft should be make you ineligible for any gov't position.

Why?
Trump didn't do anything illegal


Clinton and GHW Bush did also dodged.

And neither of them did anything illegal

methinks someone didn't know this little tidbit tee hee
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Anarchy_Juiblex
08/08/17 3:54:46 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
joeun_saram posted...
salandrews posted...
but dodging the draft should be make you ineligible for any gov't position.

Why?
Trump didn't do anything illegal


Clinton and GHW Bush did also dodged.


Shifty ways of becoming exempt =/= dodging. Don't get me wrong, it's as morally reprehensible but there's legitimate reasons for exemptions. It's basically like taxes, there are just exemptions but it's massively abused by those with power.


@deanshow
@joeun_saram
I like how you guys have no refutation to my arguments and instead bluster about inane bull shit.
Basically you're the political tools that get conned by wedge issues instead of focusing on what matters.
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Paper_Okami
08/08/17 4:27:13 PM
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salandrews posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
salandrews posted...
There's nothing wrong with not wanting to go, but there is definitely something wrong with not going after you've been drafted.


LMAO no there isn't.

War is bulls***.


Thats wonderful idealistic thinking.


Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq all bullshit wars.
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salandrews
08/08/17 4:30:30 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
salandrews posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
salandrews posted...
There's nothing wrong with not wanting to go, but there is definitely something wrong with not going after you've been drafted.


LMAO no there isn't.

War is bulls***.


Thats wonderful idealistic thinking.


Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq all bulls*** wars.


Of those only Vietnam had a draft.
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Paper_Okami
08/08/17 6:13:03 PM
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salandrews posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
salandrews posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
salandrews posted...
There's nothing wrong with not wanting to go, but there is definitely something wrong with not going after you've been drafted.


LMAO no there isn't.

War is bulls***.


Thats wonderful idealistic thinking.


Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq all bulls*** wars.


Of those only Vietnam had a draft.


Yup, and unless they are hypocrites like Trump, I have no problem with any who draft dodged.

My dad was lucky enough to have a high number and not be drafted, but one of his best friend was drafted and got out as an objector.
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WizardPowers
08/08/17 6:14:14 PM
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forced service is dumb as fuck

stolen valor is 100000000000x worse
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