Poll of the Day > If everything is part of God's plan, he knew I wasn't going to believe in him

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Action53 08/22/17 2:21:06 PM #1:	And he'll still punish me for it --- Plsbemeantome.sarahah.com <cite>Action53 posted [p:885245976] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote>And he'll still punish me for it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArvTheGreat 08/22/17 2:29:23 PM #2:	you are born of free will so whatever you do is your decision and your consequence only you are able to change your own path not God --- Things are about to get arvified <cite>ArvTheGreat posted [p:885246473] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote>you are born of free will so whatever you do is your decision and your consequence only you are able to change your own path not God</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MICHALECOLE 08/22/17 2:30:18 PM #3:	ArvTheGreat posted... you are born of free will so whatever you do is your decision and your consequence only you are able to change your own path not God But if he knows everything then how can we have free will? <cite>MICHALECOLE posted [p:885246528] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote><cite>ArvTheGreat posted...</cite> <quote>you are born of free will so whatever you do is your decision and your consequence only you are able to change your own path not God</quote> But if he knows everything then how can we have free will?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ernieforss 08/22/17 2:34:08 PM #4:	i thought he gave us human will/free will . So the world can have some randomness --- I'm always 50% right all the time <cite>ernieforss posted [p:885246752] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote>i thought he gave us human will/free will . So the world can have some randomness</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
faramir77 08/22/17 2:36:34 PM #5:	MICHALECOLE posted... ArvTheGreat posted... you are born of free will so whatever you do is your decision and your consequence only you are able to change your own path not God But if he knows everything then how can we have free will? Either free will is a lie or God doesn't know everything. Either way, God is the biggest asshole of all time. --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCtAUrZbUk -- Defeating the Running Man of Ocarina of Time in a race since 01/17/2009. -- <cite>faramir77 posted [p:885246887] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote><cite>MICHALECOLE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ArvTheGreat posted...</cite> <quote>you are born of free will so whatever you do is your decision and your consequence only you are able to change your own path not God</quote> But if he knows everything then how can we have free will?</quote> Either free will is a lie or God doesn't know everything. Either way, God is the biggest asshole of all time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 08/22/17 2:50:04 PM #6:	The problem is that you try to understane God from your limited human senses. God know everything that happened, everything that will happen, everything that might happen and everything that never happened. So he already knows everything you will do and everything that you might not do, and all trillion different versions of you that do what you dont. He might look like an asshole from your limited view, and perhaps he is, or he just appears like one because you dont know whats going on. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:885247679] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote>The problem is that you try to understane God from your limited human senses. God know everything that happened, everything that will happen, everything that might happen and everything that never happened. So he already knows everything you will do and everything that you might not do, and all trillion different versions of you that do what you dont. He might look like an asshole from your limited view, and perhaps he is, or he just appears like one because you dont know whats going on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kimbos_Egg 08/22/17 2:50:59 PM #7:	Foppe posted... The problem is that you try to understane God from your limited human senses. God know everything that happened, everything that will happen, everything that might happen and everything that never happened. So he already knows everything you will do and everything that you might not do, and all trillion different versions of you that do what you dont. He might look like an asshole from your limited view, and perhaps he is, or he just appears like one because you dont know whats going on. theres also the fact that hes a make believe fairy tale. --- You think you've Got problems? http://i.imgur.com/vgckRUN.jpg <cite>Kimbos_Egg posted [p:885247747] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>The problem is that you try to understane God from your limited human senses. God know everything that happened, everything that will happen, everything that might happen and everything that never happened. So he already knows everything you will do and everything that you might not do, and all trillion different versions of you that do what you dont. He might look like an asshole from your limited view, and perhaps he is, or he just appears like one because you dont know whats going on.</quote> theres also the fact that hes a make believe fairy tale.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfestedAdam 08/22/17 2:52:48 PM #8:	I kinda like Supernatural way of depicting God. --- "You must gather your party before venturing forth" "Go for the eyes Boo! Go for the eyes!" <cite>InfestedAdam posted [p:885247841] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote>I kinda like Supernatural way of depicting God.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ernieforss 08/22/17 2:52:55 PM #9:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4 --- I'm always 50% right all the time <cite>ernieforss posted [p:885247853] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirtBasedSoap 08/22/17 2:58:25 PM #10:	And if god does exist I am sure he will forgive Me for doubting for he'd see How unlikely he himself seems --- http://i.imgur.com/anU2AWL.png <cite>DirtBasedSoap posted [p:885248161] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote>And if god does exist I am sure he will forgive Me for doubting for he'd see How unlikely he himself seems</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfestedAdam 08/22/17 3:01:07 PM #11:	As God in Futurama stated, “When you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all.” --- "You must gather your party before venturing forth" "Go for the eyes Boo! Go for the eyes!" <cite>InfestedAdam posted [p:885248324] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote>As God in Futurama stated, “When you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all.”</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssj4supervegeta 08/22/17 3:10:26 PM #12:	Foppe posted... The problem is that you try to understane God from your limited human senses. God know everything that happened, everything that will happen, everything that might happen and everything that never happened. So he already knows everything you will do and everything that you might not do, and all trillion different versions of you that do what you dont. He might look like an asshole from your limited view, and perhaps he is, or he just appears like one because you dont know whats going on. sounds like an overpowered comic book character. --- LoL summoner: Vejitables Wanna know why me rogers so jolly? hehe <cite>ssj4supervegeta posted [p:885248879] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>The problem is that you try to understane God from your limited human senses. God know everything that happened, everything that will happen, everything that might happen and everything that never happened. So he already knows everything you will do and everything that you might not do, and all trillion different versions of you that do what you dont. He might look like an asshole from your limited view, and perhaps he is, or he just appears like one because you dont know whats going on.</quote> sounds like an overpowered comic book character.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
codman4 08/22/17 3:44:01 PM #13:	Just because God knows all, that doesn't mean we don't have free will. He simply knows the choices that we will make. <cite>codman4 posted [p:885250926] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote>Just because God knows all, that doesn't mean we don't have free will. He simply knows the choices that we will make.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sokolov 08/22/17 3:44:33 PM #14:	faramir77 posted... Either free will is a lie or God doesn't know everything. If there is no free will, there is no sin -- so we can do what we want, 'cause a pirate is free! ^________________________________^ ~~Oh, wait... >_<~~ --- scenariocampaign.ytmnd.com <cite>Sokolov posted [p:885250964] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote><cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote>Either free will is a lie or God doesn't know everything. </quote> If there is no free will, there is no sin -- so we can do what we want, 'cause a pirate is free! ^________________________________^ Oh, wait... >_<</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 08/22/17 4:26:24 PM #15:	God is a pirate. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:885253475] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote>God is a pirate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HorrorJudasGoat 08/22/17 5:06:55 PM #16:	God had his own free will of not allowing lucifer to create evil. God also has the free will of not punishing anyone for not believing the Bible without further proof. <cite>HorrorJudasGoat posted [p:885255888] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote>God had his own free will of not allowing lucifer to create evil. God also has the free will of not punishing anyone for not believing the Bible without further proof.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfestedAdam 08/22/17 5:15:20 PM #17:	On a completely different note, what happened to Princess or was there a name change? --- "You must gather your party before venturing forth" "Go for the eyes Boo! Go for the eyes!" <cite>InfestedAdam posted [p:885256365] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote>On a completely different note, what happened to Princess or was there a name change?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Action53 08/22/17 5:38:42 PM #18:	Foppe posted... God is a pirate. I thought he was a dj --- Plsbemeantome.sarahah.com <cite>Action53 posted [p:885257711] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>God is a pirate.</quote> I thought he was a dj</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CrestedTax 08/22/17 5:52:04 PM #19:	It's pointless to use any logic regarding religion. It's easy to find a lot of logical contradictions in basically any religious belief system. The people who believe in God will tell you that they have faith and will disregard any argument, or they will tell you that God is above logic. --- FC: 5172-3452-9992 Kaurus <cite>CrestedTax posted [p:885258490] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote>It's pointless to use any logic regarding religion. It's easy to find a lot of logical contradictions in basically any religious belief system. The people who believe in God will tell you that they have faith and will disregard any argument, or they will tell you that God is above logic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 08/22/17 5:52:47 PM #20:	I put it in the wrong topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBTx8sdXO3c --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:885258528] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote>I put it in the wrong topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBTx8sdXO3c</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 08/22/17 6:06:48 PM #21:	CrestedTax posted... It's pointless to use any logic regarding religion. It's easy to find a lot of logical contradictions in basically any religious belief system. The people who believe in God will tell you that they have faith and will disregard any argument, or they will tell you that God is above logic. GOD isnt above logic. People just choose not to see it. Free will isn't a myth and it logically doesn't make sense that people can't put free will into knowin the future. Like others said, he knows every outcome. If your on a path to hit a wall, GOD will try to guide you to go around it, over it, or hrough it. GOD's will is not set in stone, it is up to you, to keep it. Think of it like google maps. GOD is guidin you to go one way, but of you choose to go on a different path, the gps changes course and tell you how to reach it. It is up to you if you want to follow his will and go straight ahead to your destination or take the back roads. Or go on a total different path, either eay the gps will still trll you how to get back to that destination no matter how far you go out. Your just making it a longer destination. --- i7-5820K 3.3GHz, Asus X99-DELUXE, Corsair H110i GTX, 850 EVO 1TB, EVGA GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX2.0, Corsair 760T, EVGA 850W, Orion Spark, Proteus Core, Benq BL3200PT <cite>yutterh posted [p:885259371] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote><cite>CrestedTax posted...</cite> <quote>It's pointless to use any logic regarding religion. It's easy to find a lot of logical contradictions in basically any religious belief system. The people who believe in God will tell you that they have faith and will disregard any argument, or they will tell you that God is above logic.</quote> GOD isnt above logic. People just choose not to see it. Free will isn't a myth and it logically doesn't make sense that people can't put free will into knowin the future. Like others said, he knows every outcome. If your on a path to hit a wall, GOD will try to guide you to go around it, over it, or hrough it. GOD's will is not set in stone, it is up to you, to keep it. Think of it like google maps. GOD is guidin you to go one way, but of you choose to go on a different path, the gps changes course and tell you how to reach it. It is up to you if you want to follow his will and go straight ahead to your destination or take the back roads. Or go on a total different path, either eay the gps will still trll you how to get back to that destination no matter how far you go out. Your just making it a longer destination.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 08/22/17 6:07:38 PM #22:	Praying: when you believe God has a plan but yours is better. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:885259414] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote>Praying: when you believe God has a plan but yours is better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 08/22/17 6:10:21 PM #23:	Free will is an illusion, and not even a good one. Everything can be determined in advance if you have enough information and the ability to process it, which any god would have. Free will is created by ensuring that such information is not available, or is forgotten, so that future events come as a surprise. A god therefore, who is bored (infinitely) could split his consciousness up among countless sentient beings throughout the universe, ensuring that each has only memories of it's current incarnation, and thus creating a way to deal with the endless tedium which is existence. While free will is an illusion, it is a useful one. Even with our current technology you can easily see how future actions could be predicted given enough information, so it's not even a theory at this point. Everything that is going to happen, could be calculated with enough information and logic/math. If I was some kind of sentient godlike being, I would create demi-gods that ensured no creatures ever evolved to the point where they could do that, quite possibly destroying entire species/civilizations as soon as they started getting close. Perhaps that may be in our near future as well, it would certainly explain why there are no "Aliens" that have traveled and spread out within our galaxy for instance, over the billions of years it was possible. Even without faster then light speed, such exploration/expansion should have occurred at this point many times. Something has prevented it, perhaps it is powerful demi-gods that are restraining sentient life from ruining it's own purpose. --- Proud member of the Arv The Great is great fan club!!! Join today by putting it in your sig. <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:885259573] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote>Free will is an illusion, and not even a good one. Everything can be determined in advance if you have enough information and the ability to process it, which any god would have. Free will is created by ensuring that such information is not available, or is forgotten, so that future events come as a surprise. A god therefore, who is bored (infinitely) could split his consciousness up among countless sentient beings throughout the universe, ensuring that each has only memories of it's current incarnation, and thus creating a way to deal with the endless tedium which is existence. While free will is an illusion, it is a useful one. Even with our current technology you can easily see how future actions could be predicted given enough information, so it's not even a theory at this point. Everything that is going to happen, could be calculated with enough information and logic/math. If I was some kind of sentient godlike being, I would create demi-gods that ensured no creatures ever evolved to the point where they could do that, quite possibly destroying entire species/civilizations as soon as they started getting close. Perhaps that may be in our near future as well, it would certainly explain why there are no "Aliens" that have traveled and spread out within our galaxy for instance, over the billions of years it was possible. Even without faster then light speed, such exploration/expansion should have occurred at this point many times. Something has prevented it, perhaps it is powerful demi-gods that are restraining sentient life from ruining it's own purpose.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CrestedTax 08/22/17 6:34:27 PM #24:	yutterh posted... CrestedTax posted... It's pointless to use any logic regarding religion. It's easy to find a lot of logical contradictions in basically any religious belief system. The people who believe in God will tell you that they have faith and will disregard any argument, or they will tell you that God is above logic. GOD isnt above logic. People just choose not to see it. Free will isn't a myth and it logically doesn't make sense that people can't put free will into knowin the future. Like others said, he knows every outcome. If your on a path to hit a wall, GOD will try to guide you to go around it, over it, or hrough it. GOD's will is not set in stone, it is up to you, to keep it. Think of it like google maps. GOD is guidin you to go one way, but of you choose to go on a different path, the gps changes course and tell you how to reach it. It is up to you if you want to follow his will and go straight ahead to your destination or take the back roads. Or go on a total different path, either eay the gps will still trll you how to get back to that destination no matter how far you go out. Your just making it a longer destination. The flaw with that logic is that God is supposed to be omnipotent, therefore he MUST know beforehand what you will choose to do in your life. He creates you and he knows that you won't believe in him so he sends you to hell? Then he can't be benevolent. And if he doesn't know that you will choose not to believe in him, then he can't be omnipotent, if he's not omnipotent he's not really a god. This is a well known simple reasoning that shows the contradiction regarding God's benevolence and free will. --- FC: 5172-3452-9992 Kaurus <cite>CrestedTax posted [p:885260952] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote><cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CrestedTax posted...</cite> <quote>It's pointless to use any logic regarding religion. It's easy to find a lot of logical contradictions in basically any religious belief system. The people who believe in God will tell you that they have faith and will disregard any argument, or they will tell you that God is above logic.</quote> GOD isnt above logic. People just choose not to see it. Free will isn't a myth and it logically doesn't make sense that people can't put free will into knowin the future. Like others said, he knows every outcome. If your on a path to hit a wall, GOD will try to guide you to go around it, over it, or hrough it. GOD's will is not set in stone, it is up to you, to keep it. Think of it like google maps. GOD is guidin you to go one way, but of you choose to go on a different path, the gps changes course and tell you how to reach it. It is up to you if you want to follow his will and go straight ahead to your destination or take the back roads. Or go on a total different path, either eay the gps will still trll you how to get back to that destination no matter how far you go out. Your just making it a longer destination.</quote> The flaw with that logic is that God is supposed to be omnipotent, therefore he MUST know beforehand what you will choose to do in your life. He creates you and he knows that you won't believe in him so he sends you to hell? Then he can't be benevolent. And if he doesn't know that you will choose not to believe in him, then he can't be omnipotent, if he's not omnipotent he's not really a god. This is a well known simple reasoning that shows the contradiction regarding God's benevolence and free will.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 08/22/17 6:40:44 PM #25:	MICHALECOLE posted... ArvTheGreat posted... you are born of free will so whatever you do is your decision and your consequence only you are able to change your own path not God But if he knows everything then how can we have free will? Because he can see the future. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:885261333] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote><cite>MICHALECOLE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ArvTheGreat posted...</cite> <quote>you are born of free will so whatever you do is your decision and your consequence only you are able to change your own path not God</quote> But if he knows everything then how can we have free will?</quote> Because he can see the future.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 08/22/17 6:53:08 PM #26:	CrestedTax posted... yutterh posted... CrestedTax posted... It's pointless to use any logic regarding religion. It's easy to find a lot of logical contradictions in basically any religious belief system. The people who believe in God will tell you that they have faith and will disregard any argument, or they will tell you that God is above logic. GOD isnt above logic. People just choose not to see it. Free will isn't a myth and it logically doesn't make sense that people can't put free will into knowin the future. Like others said, he knows every outcome. If your on a path to hit a wall, GOD will try to guide you to go around it, over it, or hrough it. GOD's will is not set in stone, it is up to you, to keep it. Think of it like google maps. GOD is guidin you to go one way, but of you choose to go on a different path, the gps changes course and tell you how to reach it. It is up to you if you want to follow his will and go straight ahead to your destination or take the back roads. Or go on a total different path, either eay the gps will still trll you how to get back to that destination no matter how far you go out. Your just making it a longer destination. The flaw with that logic is that God is supposed to be omnipotent, therefore he MUST know beforehand what you will choose to do in your life. He creates you and he knows that you won't believe in him so he sends you to hell? Then he can't be benevolent. And if he doesn't know that you will choose not to believe in him, then he can't be omnipotent, if he's not omnipotent he's not really a god. This is a well known simple reasoning that shows the contradiction regarding God's benevolence and free will. This is because everyone looks at time, as if it is linear. Being omnipotent means you know everything, in evey single universe all at the same time. Just because he knows what can or will happen doesn't mean you haven't made the choice to do that. Your not created to go to hell, your created to live your life the way you want too. your choices determine if you go to heaven, hell, or purgatory. Even then, GOD is he final judge and he can decide if he tosses you in heaven or hell. So if he feels you did enough to get into heaven, regardless of the rules, he can do it. Your decision is not set into stone until you do it. Cause then that is the past. The future is unpredictable, your decisions dictate your own future. GOD just sees every possible path. --- i7-5820K 3.3GHz, Asus X99-DELUXE, Corsair H110i GTX, 850 EVO 1TB, EVGA GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX2.0, Corsair 760T, EVGA 850W, Orion Spark, Proteus Core, Benq BL3200PT <cite>yutterh posted [p:885261977] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote><cite>CrestedTax posted...</cite> <quote><cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CrestedTax posted...</cite> <quote>It's pointless to use any logic regarding religion. It's easy to find a lot of logical contradictions in basically any religious belief system. The people who believe in God will tell you that they have faith and will disregard any argument, or they will tell you that God is above logic.</quote> GOD isnt above logic. People just choose not to see it. Free will isn't a myth and it logically doesn't make sense that people can't put free will into knowin the future. Like others said, he knows every outcome. If your on a path to hit a wall, GOD will try to guide you to go around it, over it, or hrough it. GOD's will is not set in stone, it is up to you, to keep it. Think of it like google maps. GOD is guidin you to go one way, but of you choose to go on a different path, the gps changes course and tell you how to reach it. It is up to you if you want to follow his will and go straight ahead to your destination or take the back roads. Or go on a total different path, either eay the gps will still trll you how to get back to that destination no matter how far you go out. Your just making it a longer destination.</quote> The flaw with that logic is that God is supposed to be omnipotent, therefore he MUST know beforehand what you will choose to do in your life. He creates you and he knows that you won't believe in him so he sends you to hell? Then he can't be benevolent. And if he doesn't know that you will choose not to believe in him, then he can't be omnipotent, if he's not omnipotent he's not really a god. This is a well known simple reasoning that shows the contradiction regarding God's benevolence and free will.</quote> This is because everyone looks at time, as if it is linear. Being omnipotent means you know everything, in evey single universe all at the same time. Just because he knows what can or will happen doesn't mean you haven't made the choice to do that. Your not created to go to hell, your created to live your life the way you want too. your choices determine if you go to heaven, hell, or purgatory. Even then, GOD is he final judge and he can decide if he tosses you in heaven or hell. So if he feels you did enough to get into heaven, regardless of the rules, he can do it. Your decision is not set into stone until you do it. Cause then that is the past. The future is unpredictable, your decisions dictate your own future. GOD just sees every possible path.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 08/22/17 7:20:20 PM #27:	We're all actually part of Todd's plan instead <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:885263448] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote>We're all actually part of Todd's plan instead</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 08/22/17 7:36:15 PM #28:	yutterh posted... CrestedTax posted... yutterh posted... CrestedTax posted... It's pointless to use any logic regarding religion. It's easy to find a lot of logical contradictions in basically any religious belief system. The people who believe in God will tell you that they have faith and will disregard any argument, or they will tell you that God is above logic. GOD isnt above logic. People just choose not to see it. Free will isn't a myth and it logically doesn't make sense that people can't put free will into knowin the future. Like others said, he knows every outcome. If your on a path to hit a wall, GOD will try to guide you to go around it, over it, or hrough it. GOD's will is not set in stone, it is up to you, to keep it. Think of it like google maps. GOD is guidin you to go one way, but of you choose to go on a different path, the gps changes course and tell you how to reach it. It is up to you if you want to follow his will and go straight ahead to your destination or take the back roads. Or go on a total different path, either eay the gps will still trll you how to get back to that destination no matter how far you go out. Your just making it a longer destination. The flaw with that logic is that God is supposed to be omnipotent, therefore he MUST know beforehand what you will choose to do in your life. He creates you and he knows that you won't believe in him so he sends you to hell? Then he can't be benevolent. And if he doesn't know that you will choose not to believe in him, then he can't be omnipotent, if he's not omnipotent he's not really a god. This is a well known simple reasoning that shows the contradiction regarding God's benevolence and free will. This is because everyone looks at time, as if it is linear. Being omnipotent means you know everything, in evey single universe all at the same time. Just because he knows what can or will happen doesn't mean you haven't made the choice to do that. Your not created to go to hell, your created to live your life the way you want too. your choices determine if you go to heaven, hell, or purgatory. Even then, GOD is he final judge and he can decide if he tosses you in heaven or hell. So if he feels you did enough to get into heaven, regardless of the rules, he can do it. Your decision is not set into stone until you do it. Cause then that is the past. The future is unpredictable, your decisions dictate your own future. GOD just sees every possible path. Not true, because God set everything in motion, and in doing so, created a chain of events that would lead to you being born, you making the decisions you make throughout your life, and eventually, if there was such a thing, going to hell. Real hell though is eternal self awareness, and the only escape is the existence we are currently sharing. That being said, we do, in a way, create or our hells? How.....well lets look at this for a second. If god split his awareness up among all sentient creatures, the way we act towards each other, the pain and suffering we cause others, we will actually eventually experience. So yeah, if you are cruel, evil etc, you eventually will suffer for it, by your own hand. --- Proud member of the Arv The Great is great fan club!!! Join today by putting it in your sig. <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:885264363] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote><cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CrestedTax posted...</cite> <quote><cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CrestedTax posted...</cite> <quote>It's pointless to use any logic regarding religion. It's easy to find a lot of logical contradictions in basically any religious belief system. The people who believe in God will tell you that they have faith and will disregard any argument, or they will tell you that God is above logic.</quote> GOD isnt above logic. People just choose not to see it. Free will isn't a myth and it logically doesn't make sense that people can't put free will into knowin the future. Like others said, he knows every outcome. If your on a path to hit a wall, GOD will try to guide you to go around it, over it, or hrough it. GOD's will is not set in stone, it is up to you, to keep it. Think of it like google maps. GOD is guidin you to go one way, but of you choose to go on a different path, the gps changes course and tell you how to reach it. It is up to you if you want to follow his will and go straight ahead to your destination or take the back roads. Or go on a total different path, either eay the gps will still trll you how to get back to that destination no matter how far you go out. Your just making it a longer destination.</quote> The flaw with that logic is that God is supposed to be omnipotent, therefore he MUST know beforehand what you will choose to do in your life. He creates you and he knows that you won't believe in him so he sends you to hell? Then he can't be benevolent. And if he doesn't know that you will choose not to believe in him, then he can't be omnipotent, if he's not omnipotent he's not really a god. This is a well known simple reasoning that shows the contradiction regarding God's benevolence and free will.</quote> This is because everyone looks at time, as if it is linear. Being omnipotent means you know everything, in evey single universe all at the same time. Just because he knows what can or will happen doesn't mean you haven't made the choice to do that. Your not created to go to hell, your created to live your life the way you want too. your choices determine if you go to heaven, hell, or purgatory. Even then, GOD is he final judge and he can decide if he tosses you in heaven or hell. So if he feels you did enough to get into heaven, regardless of the rules, he can do it. Your decision is not set into stone until you do it. Cause then that is the past. The future is unpredictable, your decisions dictate your own future. GOD just sees every possible path.</quote> Not true, because God set everything in motion, and in doing so, created a chain of events that would lead to you being born, you making the decisions you make throughout your life, and eventually, if there was such a thing, going to hell. Real hell though is eternal self awareness, and the only escape is the existence we are currently sharing. That being said, we do, in a way, create or our hells? How.....well lets look at this for a second. If god split his awareness up among all sentient creatures, the way we act towards each other, the pain and suffering we cause others, we will actually eventually experience. So yeah, if you are cruel, evil etc, you eventually will suffer for it, by your own hand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nade Duck 08/22/17 7:44:20 PM #29:	edgy topic is edgy --- http://i.imgur.com/ElACjJD.gifv <cite>Nade Duck posted [p:885264793] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote>edgy topic is edgy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 08/22/17 8:07:39 PM #30:	"It's not my fault / If in God's plan / He made the devil so much stronger than a man!" #CarlisleSummoning --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:885266177] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote>"It's not my fault / If in God's plan / He made the devil so much stronger than a man!" #CarlisleSummoning</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shipwreckers 08/22/17 8:14:56 PM #31:	Nade Duck posted... edgy topic is edgy Indeed, PotD has been rather stale on religion topics since the days of Kriem / Clench / Chelle / etc. The sad part is I never know if people actually want to discuss the issues, or just vent out angstheist vibes. It's the same way on the "religion" board. --- Money is overrated... <cite>shipwreckers posted [p:885266632] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nade Duck posted...</cite> <quote>edgy topic is edgy</quote> Indeed, PotD has been rather stale on religion topics since the days of Kriem / Clench / Chelle / etc. The sad part is I never know if people actually want to discuss the issues, or just vent out angstheist vibes. It's the same way on the "religion" board.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 08/22/17 8:22:13 PM #32:	shipwreckers posted... Nade Duck posted... edgy topic is edgy Indeed, PotD has been rather stale on religion topics since the days of Kriem / Clench / Chelle / etc. The sad part is I never know if people actually want to discuss the issues, or just vent out angstheist vibes. It's the same way on the "religion" board. I'm always down to discuss stuff. My beliefs are just my general working theories and certainly nothing I believe is more likely then a million other ideas, it's just the one that works the best for me, makes sense, and fits my world view. The largest thing I am afraid of, have always been afraid of since being a very small child, is boredom, being stuck somewhere with nothing to do for long periods of time. Given eternity, eventually everything would become as boring as being stuck in a room with nothing to do, so to me the ultimate goal of any godlike being would be to find a way to entertain itself and prevent the horrible torture of infinite boredom. --- Proud member of the Arv The Great is great fan club!!! Join today by putting it in your sig. <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:885267072] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote><cite>shipwreckers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nade Duck posted...</cite> <quote>edgy topic is edgy</quote> Indeed, PotD has been rather stale on religion topics since the days of Kriem / Clench / Chelle / etc. The sad part is I never know if people actually want to discuss the issues, or just vent out angstheist vibes. It's the same way on the "religion" board.</quote> I'm always down to discuss stuff. My beliefs are just my general working theories and certainly nothing I believe is more likely then a million other ideas, it's just the one that works the best for me, makes sense, and fits my world view. The largest thing I am afraid of, have always been afraid of since being a very small child, is boredom, being stuck somewhere with nothing to do for long periods of time. Given eternity, eventually everything would become as boring as being stuck in a room with nothing to do, so to me the ultimate goal of any godlike being would be to find a way to entertain itself and prevent the horrible torture of infinite boredom.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 08/22/17 8:32:58 PM #33:	wolfy42 posted... yutterh posted... CrestedTax posted... yutterh posted... CrestedTax posted... It's pointless to use any logic regarding religion. It's easy to find a lot of logical contradictions in basically any religious belief system. The people who believe in God will tell you that they have faith and will disregard any argument, or they will tell you that God is above logic. GOD isnt above logic. People just choose not to see it. Free will isn't a myth and it logically doesn't make sense that people can't put free will into knowin the future. Like others said, he knows every outcome. If your on a path to hit a wall, GOD will try to guide you to go around it, over it, or hrough it. GOD's will is not set in stone, it is up to you, to keep it. Think of it like google maps. GOD is guidin you to go one way, but of you choose to go on a different path, the gps changes course and tell you how to reach it. It is up to you if you want to follow his will and go straight ahead to your destination or take the back roads. Or go on a total different path, either eay the gps will still trll you how to get back to that destination no matter how far you go out. Your just making it a longer destination. The flaw with that logic is that God is supposed to be omnipotent, therefore he MUST know beforehand what you will choose to do in your life. He creates you and he knows that you won't believe in him so he sends you to hell? Then he can't be benevolent. And if he doesn't know that you will choose not to believe in him, then he can't be omnipotent, if he's not omnipotent he's not really a god. This is a well known simple reasoning that shows the contradiction regarding God's benevolence and free will. This is because everyone looks at time, as if it is linear. Being omnipotent means you know everything, in evey single universe all at the same time. Just because he knows what can or will happen doesn't mean you haven't made the choice to do that. Your not created to go to hell, your created to live your life the way you want too. your choices determine if you go to heaven, hell, or purgatory. Even then, GOD is he final judge and he can decide if he tosses you in heaven or hell. So if he feels you did enough to get into heaven, regardless of the rules, he can do it. Your decision is not set into stone until you do it. Cause then that is the past. The future is unpredictable, your decisions dictate your own future. GOD just sees every possible path. Not true, because God set everything in motion, and in doing so, created a chain of events that would lead to you being born, you making the decisions you make throughout your life, and eventually, if there was such a thing, going to hell. Real hell though is eternal self awareness, and the only escape is the existence we are currently sharing. That being said, we do, in a way, create or our hells? How.....well lets look at this for a second. If god split his awareness up among all sentient creatures, the way we act towards each other, the pain and suffering we cause others, we will actually eventually experience. So yeah, if you are cruel, evil etc, you eventually will suffer for it, by your own hand. Once again, goes back to my gps analogy. GOD set you on a path. We both agree on that. Until you die, you are set on this path. No matter which way you twist and turn, GOD will always have a way back to your path. Filled with multiple directions you choose, all with different ETA's. So it is up to you and other outside forces on how you get there. All GOD does is try and get you there on the best path. --- i7-5820K 3.3GHz, Asus X99-DELUXE, Corsair H110i GTX, 850 EVO 1TB, EVGA GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX2.0, Corsair 760T, EVGA 850W, Orion Spark, Proteus Core, Benq BL3200PT <cite>yutterh posted [p:885267727] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote><cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CrestedTax posted...</cite> <quote><cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CrestedTax posted...</cite> <quote>It's pointless to use any logic regarding religion. It's easy to find a lot of logical contradictions in basically any religious belief system. The people who believe in God will tell you that they have faith and will disregard any argument, or they will tell you that God is above logic.</quote> GOD isnt above logic. People just choose not to see it. Free will isn't a myth and it logically doesn't make sense that people can't put free will into knowin the future. Like others said, he knows every outcome. If your on a path to hit a wall, GOD will try to guide you to go around it, over it, or hrough it. GOD's will is not set in stone, it is up to you, to keep it. Think of it like google maps. GOD is guidin you to go one way, but of you choose to go on a different path, the gps changes course and tell you how to reach it. It is up to you if you want to follow his will and go straight ahead to your destination or take the back roads. Or go on a total different path, either eay the gps will still trll you how to get back to that destination no matter how far you go out. Your just making it a longer destination.</quote> The flaw with that logic is that God is supposed to be omnipotent, therefore he MUST know beforehand what you will choose to do in your life. He creates you and he knows that you won't believe in him so he sends you to hell? Then he can't be benevolent. And if he doesn't know that you will choose not to believe in him, then he can't be omnipotent, if he's not omnipotent he's not really a god. This is a well known simple reasoning that shows the contradiction regarding God's benevolence and free will.</quote> This is because everyone looks at time, as if it is linear. Being omnipotent means you know everything, in evey single universe all at the same time. Just because he knows what can or will happen doesn't mean you haven't made the choice to do that. Your not created to go to hell, your created to live your life the way you want too. your choices determine if you go to heaven, hell, or purgatory. Even then, GOD is he final judge and he can decide if he tosses you in heaven or hell. So if he feels you did enough to get into heaven, regardless of the rules, he can do it. Your decision is not set into stone until you do it. Cause then that is the past. The future is unpredictable, your decisions dictate your own future. GOD just sees every possible path.</quote> Not true, because God set everything in motion, and in doing so, created a chain of events that would lead to you being born, you making the decisions you make throughout your life, and eventually, if there was such a thing, going to hell. Real hell though is eternal self awareness, and the only escape is the existence we are currently sharing. That being said, we do, in a way, create or our hells? How.....well lets look at this for a second. If god split his awareness up among all sentient creatures, the way we act towards each other, the pain and suffering we cause others, we will actually eventually experience. So yeah, if you are cruel, evil etc, you eventually will suffer for it, by your own hand.</quote> Once again, goes back to my gps analogy. GOD set you on a path. We both agree on that. Until you die, you are set on this path. No matter which way you twist and turn, GOD will always have a way back to your path. Filled with multiple directions you choose, all with different ETA's. So it is up to you and other outside forces on how you get there. All GOD does is try and get you there on the best path.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 08/22/17 8:56:32 PM #34:	Nade Duck posted... edgy topic is edgy How is secularism edgy... there's only like 2 religious people left on the planet anyways. If anything he's being bland and ... some adjective for when you're stating something everyone knows --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:885269209] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nade Duck posted...</cite> <quote>edgy topic is edgy</quote> How is secularism edgy... there's only like 2 religious people left on the planet anyways. If anything he's being bland and ... some adjective for when you're stating something everyone knows</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Action53 08/23/17 8:15:01 PM #35:	I didn't mean to be edgy, the premise of the topic hit me the other day and I got sad --- Plsbemeantome.sarahah.com <cite>Action53 posted [p:885331549] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote>I didn't mean to be edgy, the premise of the topic hit me the other day and I got sad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shipwreckers 08/23/17 10:23:28 PM #36:	Action53 posted... I didn't mean to be edgy, the premise of the topic hit me the other day and I got sad Well, you're definitely not the only one who's thought through this. Generally, when I've seen people give the "All part of God's plan" statement, they're referring to the Judeo-Christian "God," and that he's allegedly sovereign and omniscient (so he has a perfect plan, and the power to carry it out), but we also have a free will. A plan is just that..., a plan. It doesn't guarantee results. It just establishes a framework. Plans can be adhered to, or disregarded. Just because people rejected him, doesn't mean he planned it (though he certainly wasn't surprised by it, being omniscient and all). The thing is, we're sorta in a pickle here. Either he can 1) downright FORCE you to believe in him according to his perfect little plan (at the cost of your own free will), or 2) he can let you do whatever the hell you want (at the RISK that you jack up his perfect plan). After all, I can make the greatest plans imaginable all day long, but if people disregard them those plans become useless. That's just my two cents. --- Money is overrated... <cite>shipwreckers posted [p:885337927] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote><cite>Action53 posted...</cite> <quote>I didn't mean to be edgy, the premise of the topic hit me the other day and I got sad</quote> Well, you're definitely not the only one who's thought through this. Generally, when I've seen people give the "All part of God's plan" statement, they're referring to the Judeo-Christian "God," and that he's allegedly sovereign and omniscient (so he has a perfect plan, and the power to carry it out), but we also have a free will. A plan is just that..., a plan. It doesn't guarantee results. It just establishes a framework. Plans can be adhered to, or disregarded. Just because people rejected him, doesn't mean he planned it (though he certainly wasn't surprised by it, being omniscient and all). The thing is, we're sorta in a pickle here. Either he can 1) downright FORCE you to believe in him according to his perfect little plan (at the cost of your own free will), or 2) he can let you do whatever the hell you want (at the RISK that you jack up his perfect plan). After all, I can make the greatest plans imaginable all day long, but if people disregard them those plans become useless. That's just my two cents.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ungubby 08/24/17 1:21:59 AM #37:	Action53 posted... I didn't mean to be edgy, the premise of the topic hit me the other day and I got sad You don't have to believe in God for God to believe in you :) --- http://i.imgur.com/PQUCsqg.jpg <cite>ungubby posted [p:885345378] in If everyth... [t:75697237]...</cite> <quote><cite>Action53 posted...</cite> <quote>I didn't mean to be edgy, the premise of the topic hit me the other day and I got sad</quote> You don't have to believe in God for God to believe in you :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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