Poll of the Day > White Christians only make 43% of AMERICA when it USED to be 80%!! Good or Bad?

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Americans who identify themselves as White and Christian have now dropped below 50% as it now stands at 43% when it was 80% 40 years ago!!

The shocking transformation was fueled by immigration and growing number of people who reject organized religion altogether

Christians overall still remain a large majority at 70% but white christians, once the country's religious life now comprise a smaller majority.

4 decades ago it used to be 8 in 10 americans who were white Christians.

There has been drops in membership in predominately white mainline Protestant denominations such as Presbyterians and Lutherans and an increasing Latino presence in the Roman Catholic Church as non-Hispanic white Catholics leave. Even white evangelicals are on the decline which has been viewed as immune to decline

The trends are showing that there is a fueling anxiety abou tthe place of Christians, especially evangelicals who are alarmed by the support for gay marriage and 1/4 who identify with a faith group

Trump who promised to protect religious liberty of Christians drew 80% of the white evangelicals, a constituency that remains among his strongest supporters.

17% of Americans now identify as white evangelical compared to 23% a decade ago

Membership in the conservative Southern Baptist Convention, the largest protestant group dropped to 15.2 Million last year, its lowest since 1990..

Latino and African American Christians have partly obscured the decline among White Christians

White Christians are now a minority in the Democratic Party shrinking from 50 to 29% as 40% of Democrats say they have no religious affliation.

Do you think it's a good thing that most people aren't Christians anymore? let's see what people think

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Neat.

I don't think it's good or bad.
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The Nordic countries are mostly atheist, and they're doing just fine.

variety is good!
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WHY do your TOPIC titles have seemingly RANDOM capitalized WORDS?
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Religion has no place in the modern world.

I voted yes, but for the most part, they're just being replaced by Hispanic and Black Christians, so the progress is much less than it first seems. :(

MirMiros posted...

Religion has no place in the modern world.

Only to the modern atheist.
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KJ StErOiDs posted...

MirMiros posted...

Religion has no place in the modern world.

Only to the modern atheist.

Athiesm is modern.
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neither good or bad

good as long as the majority isn't becoming another religion. I don't have a problem with religion per say, but the less of them, the less of the extremist you have to deal with.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

KJ StErOiDs posted...

MirMiros posted...

Religion has no place in the modern world.

Only to the modern atheist.

Athiesm is modern.

pretty sure Athiesm has been around a long time, just as a minority and probably not openly admitted to due to it just being easier to go with the flow of all the religious people around. which it is, i'm agnostic (technically my belief is something had to make us but I doubt any religion so far or ever will get it right)

and when eating dinner with my mother I still participate in the prayer as its just easier than making a scene because its not part of my beliefs
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mooreandrew58 posted...

pretty sure Athiesm has been around a long time, just as a minority and probably not openly admitted to due to it just being easier to go with the flow of all the religious people around.

There is a difference between not trusting God exists and outright denying the existence of God.

Confidence in knowledge over faith is fairly new, it requires a big enough knowledge base to not be reliant on faith.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

pretty sure Athiesm has been around a long time, just as a minority and probably not openly admitted to due to it just being easier to go with the flow of all the religious people around.

There is a difference between not trusting God exists and outright denying the existence of God.

Confidence in knowledge over faith is fairly new, it requires a big enough knowledge base to not be reliant on faith.

i'm just saying i'm sure there where atheists even in much older times probably just few and far in between and they likely kept their mouths shut out of fear of being an outcast, ridiculed and possibly even worse

can't really blame them either considering what happened to the guy who challenged the notion that the moon and sun revolve around earth.
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More murder has been performed in the name of religion than anything else in history.
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jayj420 posted...

More murder has been performed in the name of religion than anything else in history.

and oddly enough the church of satan is quite peaceful. they even turned in a dude who was murdering people in the name of satan and claiming to be a satanist.

though to be fair the church of satan is just atheists mocking organized religion. they where basically pastafarains before pastafarains but they took it more seriously as I think the leader did have the goal of eventually convincing everyone to give up religion.
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A strongly diverse population weakens a nation. If we're going to get rid of Christianity we need a strong push for an alternative otherwise division and conflict is sown and our enemies will profit.

Neither, but I do think that it's good that fanatical white Christians are losing ground.
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Blightzkrieg posted...

A strongly diverse population weakens a nation. If we're going to get rid of Christianity we need a strong push for an alternative otherwise division and conflict is sown and our enemies will profit.

we are already a strongly diverse nation. I blame that for our crime rates compared to other countries. thats why I think patriotism should strongly be encouraged as we'd atleast be able to unite under that. but no patriotism is baaaad.
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MirMiros posted...

Religion has no place in the modern world.

No you are wrong I seek thee truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Deg7VrpHbM
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It used to be soo good back then, too bad it changed.

Oh no wait Jim Crow ohh yeaaaahh...

Yellow posted...

It used to be soo good back then, too bad it changed.

Oh no wait Jim Crow ohh yeaaaahh...

I would agree.
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Given that it's being replaced by religions which promote the idea of throwing acid on women who have been raped, it's a very bad thing.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

KJ StErOiDs posted...

MirMiros posted...

Religion has no place in the modern world.

Only to the modern atheist.

Athiesm is modern.

It's not. It's literally as old as religion.
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Zeus posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

KJ StErOiDs posted...

MirMiros posted...

Religion has no place in the modern world.

Only to the modern atheist.

Athiesm is modern.

It's not. It's literally as old as religion.

yes what where people before the concept of religion was invented. though its theorized witchcraft/wicca dates back to caveman era. as they've found pentagrams in cave drawings.
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Wonder how much of that decline was because of people realizing that the people running the religion were covering up for a gang of pedophiles.
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Firewood18 posted...

Wonder how much of that decline was because of people realizing that the people running the religion were covering up for a gang of pedophiles.

that seems to be mostly within the catholic. haven't heard about it really with say methodist.... hmm maybe they are meth heads, its literally in their name so I must be right, right?
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jayj420 posted...

More murder has been performed in the name of religion than anything else in history.

Tell that to the Soviet Union, Maoist China, North Korea, Cambodia, Cuba, Nazi Germany, and their satellite states.

All of which were atheist regimes. If they used religion, they falsified it for their agenda.

TheWorstPoster posted...

jayj420 posted...

More murder has been performed in the name of religion than anything else in history.

Tell that to the Soviet Union, Maoist China, North Korea, Cambodia, Cuba, Nazi Germany, and their satellite states.

All of which were atheist regimes. If they used religion, they falsified it for their agenda.

they killed more in a shorter span sure, but hes talking over all through out history
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mooreandrew58 posted...

they killed more in a shorter span sure, but hes talking over all through out history

150 million to 300 million killed by government in the span of a century is less than "throughout history"?

Especially when there was less than 100 million people worldwide at any given time in antiquity? Make that the single millions during prehistoric times.

TheWorstPoster posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

they killed more in a shorter span sure, but hes talking over all through out history

150 million to 300 million killed by government in the span of a century is less than "throughout history"?

Especially when there was less than 100 million people worldwide at any given time in antiquity? Make that the single millions during prehistoric times.

well with nazi germany you can equate it to religion. just the hate of one instead in promotion of one.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

well with nazi germany you can equate it to religion. just the hate of one instead in promotion of one.

All of what I stated hated religion in all forms. The Soviets persecuted Jews and Catholics, so those who were "liberated" in concentration camps during World War 2, ended up in horrid conditions, if not outright sent to their gulags or interrogated after being tortured.

TheWorstPoster posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

well with nazi germany you can equate it to religion. just the hate of one instead in promotion of one.

All of what I stated hated religion in all forms. The Soviets persecuted Jews and Catholics, so those who were "liberated" in concentration camps during World War 2, ended up in horrid conditions, if not outright sent to their gulags or interrogated after being tortured.

so religion was involved. I could have swore hitler identified as christian though, history class was a long time ago though.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

so religion was involved. I could have swore hitler identified as christian though, history class was a long time ago though.

He was born Catholic (only on his mother's side, as his father was an atheist), and although he never did leave the Church, his personal works reveal that he not only was an atheist, but his Table Talks showed that he would use "Positive Christianity" as a ruse in Germany (seeing how it was majorly atheistic since the 1860's census"), but then completely destroy it all in "Kirchenkampf", or "Church Struggle", in which all true believing Christians were to be killed, all churches were to be destroyed, all Bibles banned, and living in a perpetual atheistic socialist state revolving around eugenics (rather than class warfare).

All this would have happened if Nazi Germany would have won World War 2.

TheWorstPoster posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

so religion was involved. I could have swore hitler identified as christian though, history class was a long time ago though.

He was born Catholic (only on his mother's side, as his father was an atheist), and although he never did leave the Church, his personal works reveal that he not only was an atheist, but his Table Talks showed that he would use "Positive Christianity" as a ruse in Germany (seeing how it was majorly atheistic since the 1860's census"), but then completely destroy it all in "Kirchenkampf", or "Church Struggle", in which all true believing Christians were to be killed, all churches were to be destroyed, all Bibles banned, and living in a perpetual atheistic socialist state revolving around eugenics (rather than class warfare).

All this would have happened if Nazi Germany would have won World War 2.

umm... I was always taught in schools one of his parents was a jew, and practically the source of his hatred towards jews. once again though history class was a long time ago for me, and its come to my attention since growing up, sometimes they teach you outright lies.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

umm... I was always taught in schools one of his parents was a jew, and practically the source of his hatred towards jews. once again though history class was a long time ago for me, and its come to my attention since growing up, sometimes they teach you outright lies.

If Hitler had any Jewish connections, it was obscure or minimal.

His hatred of the Jews stems from the fact that they tended to keep gold instead of paper money, so they were the only ones who remained rich during the hyperinflation following World War 1.

Firewood18 posted...

Wonder how much of that decline was because of people realizing that the people running the religion were covering up for a gang of pedophiles.

Next to none. There aren't fewer white people in the country today because priests touched little boys. (Well, maybe in some cases, but it hasn't led a major demographic shift and this topic is about WHITE Christians.)



mooreandrew58 posted...

TheWorstPoster posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

they killed more in a shorter span sure, but hes talking over all through out history

150 million to 300 million killed by government in the span of a century is less than "throughout history"?

Especially when there was less than 100 million people worldwide at any given time in antiquity? Make that the single millions during prehistoric times.

well with nazi germany you can equate it to religion. just the hate of one instead in promotion of one.

Jews weren't killed in Nazi Germany because of their faith. After all, many Christians of Jewish descent were rounded up as well. Quite frankly, I would expect you to know better than to suggest that it was a matter of religion.
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TheWorstPoster posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

umm... I was always taught in schools one of his parents was a jew, and practically the source of his hatred towards jews. once again though history class was a long time ago for me, and its come to my attention since growing up, sometimes they teach you outright lies.

If Hitler had any Jewish connections, it was obscure or minimal.

His hatred of the Jews stems from the fact that they tended to keep gold instead of paper money, so they were the only ones who remained rich during the hyperinflation following World War 1.

I coulda swore one of his parents where jewish, I know or heard rather he also pushed sterilization of the mentally handicapped and it turns out he had some in his family.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

TheWorstPoster posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

so religion was involved. I could have swore hitler identified as christian though, history class was a long time ago though.

He was born Catholic (only on his mother's side, as his father was an atheist), and although he never did leave the Church, his personal works reveal that he not only was an atheist, but his Table Talks showed that he would use "Positive Christianity" as a ruse in Germany (seeing how it was majorly atheistic since the 1860's census"), but then completely destroy it all in "Kirchenkampf", or "Church Struggle", in which all true believing Christians were to be killed, all churches were to be destroyed, all Bibles banned, and living in a perpetual atheistic socialist state revolving around eugenics (rather than class warfare).

All this would have happened if Nazi Germany would have won World War 2.

umm... I was always taught in schools one of his parents was a jew, and practically the source of his hatred towards jews. once again though history class was a long time ago for me, and its come to my attention since growing up, sometimes they teach you outright lies.

What shitty school did you go to?

Blightzkrieg posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

TheWorstPoster posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

so religion was involved. I could have swore hitler identified as christian though, history class was a long time ago though.

He was born Catholic (only on his mother's side, as his father was an atheist), and although he never did leave the Church, his personal works reveal that he not only was an atheist, but his Table Talks showed that he would use "Positive Christianity" as a ruse in Germany (seeing how it was majorly atheistic since the 1860's census"), but then completely destroy it all in "Kirchenkampf", or "Church Struggle", in which all true believing Christians were to be killed, all churches were to be destroyed, all Bibles banned, and living in a perpetual atheistic socialist state revolving around eugenics (rather than class warfare).

All this would have happened if Nazi Germany would have won World War 2.

umm... I was always taught in schools one of his parents was a jew, and practically the source of his hatred towards jews. once again though history class was a long time ago for me, and its come to my attention since growing up, sometimes they teach you outright lies.

What shitty school did you go to?

as said it was a long time ago so maybe my memory is cloudly, but i've been to many schools. one in a state that ranked 6th in the nation while I went to it.

but to be fair schools aren't ranked on if they actually teach facts, just if test scores are good

it still pisses me off they teach columbus discovered america in elementary, then in middle they are like "its more complicated than that" then in High they are like "nah he didn't even step foot in the continental united states"
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mooreandrew58 posted...

I coulda swore one of his parents where jewish, I know or heard rather he also pushed sterilization of the mentally handicapped and it turns out he had some in his family.

Nope.

His mother was Catholic. His father was an atheist.

"Closely related to his support of education was his tolerant skepticism concerning religion. He looked upon religion as a series of conventions and as a crutch for human weakness, but, like most of his neighbors, he insisted that the women of his household fulfill all religious obligations. He restricted his own participation to donning his uniform to take his proper place in festivals and processions. As he grew older Alois shifted from relative passivity in his attitude toward the power and influence of the institutional Church to a firm opposition to "clericalism," especially when the position of the Church came into conflict with his views on education." - Smith, Bradley F. Adolf Hitler: His Family, Childhood and Youth Hoover Institute, 1967 p.27

TheWorstPoster posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

I coulda swore one of his parents where jewish, I know or heard rather he also pushed sterilization of the mentally handicapped and it turns out he had some in his family.

Nope.

His mother was Catholic. His father was an atheist.

"Closely related to his support of education was his tolerant skepticism concerning religion. He looked upon religion as a series of conventions and as a crutch for human weakness, but, like most of his neighbors, he insisted that the women of his household fulfill all religious obligations. He restricted his own participation to donning his uniform to take his proper place in festivals and processions. As he grew older Alois shifted from relative passivity in his attitude toward the power and influence of the institutional Church to a firm opposition to "clericalism," especially when the position of the Church came into conflict with his views on education." - Smith, Bradley F. Adolf Hitler: His Family, Childhood and Youth Hoover Institute, 1967 p.27

ok so its cloudy memory looked it up. there was a rumor that hitlers grandfather was a jew, but he could never find any evidence backing it up. and eventually had it proven he had no jewish heritage
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mooreandrew58 posted...

ok so its cloudy memory looked it up. there was a rumor that hitlers grandfather was a jew, but he could never find any evidence backing it up.

There is just about as much evidence of Adolf Hitler having Jewish ancestry, as there is of Trump's Russia collusion.

Nothing

TheWorstPoster posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

ok so its cloudy memory looked it up. there was a rumor that hitlers grandfather was a jew, but he could never find any evidence backing it up.

There is just about as much evidence of Adolf Hitler having Jewish ancestry, as there is of Trump's Russia collusion.

Nothing

yeah, as said looked it up on wiki, and apparently hitler enacted a search based on a rumor he had a jewish grandfather, he pretty much went out of his way to reassure himself he didn't have any ties to the jewish.
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Full Throttle posted...

Americans who identify themselves as White and Christian have now dropped below 50% as it now stands at 43% when it was 80% 40 years ago!!

This doesn't represent a decline in Christianity. This represents a decline in the white population.
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Full Throttle posted...

Americans who identify themselves as White and Christian have now dropped below 50% as it now stands at 43% when it was 80% 40 years ago!!

This doesn't represent a decline in Christianity. This represents a decline in the white population.

not so much a decline in white population, more of a increase in minority populations.
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KJ StErOiDs posted...

MirMiros posted...

Religion has no place in the modern world.

Only to the modern atheist.

But atheism isn't a religion.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

not so much a decline in white population, more of a increase in minority populations.

Perhaps I'm reading into another line in the post: "Latino and African American Christians have partly obscured the decline among White Christians". So this means some were coming in as others were going out. Which means Christianity is holding steady.

If it were just other demographics becoming Christain then Christianity would be on an increase. Participation by other demographics would have had to quintuple to lower the white percentage that much and grow churches by 87%.
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

not so much a decline in white population, more of a increase in minority populations.

Perhaps I'm reading into another line in the post: "Latino and African American Christians have partly obscured the decline among White Christians". So this means some were coming in as others were going out. Which means Christianity is holding steady.

If it were just other demographics becoming Christain then Christianity would be on an increase. Participation by other demographics would have had to quintuple to lower the white percentage that much and grow churches by 87%.

i'd say Christianity in itself is declining. but white people not so much. we are just getting more minorities rather it be because they are having more kids or its immigrants. but Christianity has had a bad image as of late, and more and more are becoming atheist. and more and more people too are also learning to choose a religion for themselves and not simply going off what they where raised to believe.
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