Current Events > British Muslims feel held back and that Britain is an 'islamophobic' country.

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unpleasant_milk 09/08/17 2:30:01 PM #1:	https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/08/british-muslims-islamophobic-country-jobs With Muslims constantly spoken of or portrayed in a negative way, it’s no wonder we struggle to get jobs and be socially mobile I wonder what it could be perhaps, that is contributing towards this negative portrayal? Wouldn't have anything to do with oh I dunno, all those terrorist attacks done by Islamists? They must accept that all these vile deeds done in its name must have an effect on how the religion and its followers are perceived. --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv <cite>unpleasant_milk posted [p:886253450] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/08/british-muslims-islamophobic-country-jobs With Muslims constantly spoken of or portrayed in a negative way, it’s no wonder we struggle to get jobs and be socially mobile I wonder what it could be perhaps, that is contributing towards this negative portrayal? Wouldn't have anything to do with oh I dunno, all those terrorist attacks done by Islamists? They must accept that all these vile deeds done in its name must have an effect on how the religion and its followers are perceived.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medz1206 09/08/17 2:34:06 PM #2:	Why dont they move to a county that is majority muslium? --- Hi <cite>Medz1206 posted [p:886253649] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote>Why dont they move to a county that is majority muslium?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 09/08/17 2:36:19 PM #3:	It's like in the US, where all those poor KKK members and their kids have trouble fitting into most of society and getting jobs. It's a shame they can't do something like, I dunno, denounce their horrible ideology as a set of bad ideas and instead try to force society to conform to them instead. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:886253763] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote>It's like in the US, where all those poor KKK members and their kids have trouble fitting into most of society and getting jobs. It's a shame they can't do something like, I dunno, denounce their horrible ideology as a set of bad ideas and instead try to force society to conform to them instead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Horus_Leftfield 09/08/17 2:37:15 PM #4:	Does it feel good to shit on a minority tc --- "To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships." -- W.E.B. Du Bois <cite>Horus_Leftfield posted [p:886253816] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote>Does it feel good to shit on a minority tc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
unpleasant_milk 09/08/17 2:37:29 PM #5:	Medz1206 posted... Why dont they move to a county that is majority muslium? Good question. I wish it was the preferred choice for many of them if they feel that disenfranchised, rather than moaning about it. --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv <cite>unpleasant_milk posted [p:886253828] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>Medz1206 posted...</cite> <quote>Why dont they move to a county that is majority muslium?</quote> Good question. I wish it was the preferred choice for many of them if they feel that disenfranchised, rather than moaning about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
unpleasant_milk 09/08/17 2:38:16 PM #7:	Horus_Leftfield posted... Does it feel good to shit on a minority tc How am I shitting on anyone? Digress. --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv <cite>unpleasant_milk posted [p:886253853] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>Horus_Leftfield posted...</cite> <quote>Does it feel good to shit on a minority tc</quote> How am I shitting on anyone? Digress.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 09/08/17 2:38:25 PM #8:	unpleasant_milk posted... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/08/british-muslims-islamophobic-country-jobs With Muslims constantly spoken of or portrayed in a negative way, it’s no wonder we struggle to get jobs and be socially mobile I wonder what it could be perhaps, that is contributing towards this negative portrayal? Wouldn't have anything to do with oh I dunno, all those terrorist attacks done by Islamists? They must accept that all these vile deeds done in its name must have an effect on how the religion and its followers are perceived. That's not really a fair statement. The majority of Muslims in the country are trying to live a normal life there. They're literally not all terrorists and the majority of them don't condone terrorist attacks in countries that have taken them in. Also I don't know how it is in UK, but having followed French politics on and off for more than the last decade, it's obvious that some European countries have institutionalized islamophobic policies and it's really difficult for any demographic to prosper under such restrictions. <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:886253857] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>unpleasant_milk posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/08/british-muslims-islamophobic-country-jobs With Muslims constantly spoken of or portrayed in a negative way, it’s no wonder we struggle to get jobs and be socially mobile I wonder what it could be perhaps, that is contributing towards this negative portrayal? Wouldn't have anything to do with oh I dunno, all those terrorist attacks done by Islamists? They must accept that all these vile deeds done in its name must have an effect on how the religion and its followers are perceived.</quote> That's not really a fair statement. The majority of Muslims in the country are trying to live a normal life there. They're literally not all terrorists and the majority of them don't condone terrorist attacks in countries that have taken them in. Also I don't know how it is in UK, but having followed French politics on and off for more than the last decade, it's obvious that some European countries have institutionalized islamophobic policies and it's really difficult for any demographic to prosper under such restrictions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 09/08/17 2:38:33 PM #9:	What's wrong with Islamophbia again? Islam says to kill me. Fuck it. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:886253871] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote>What's wrong with Islamophbia again? Islam says to kill me. Fuck it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 09/08/17 2:39:44 PM #10:	Hexenherz posted... That's not really a fair statement. The majority of Muslims in the country are trying to live a normal life there. They're literally not all terrorists and the majority of them don't condone terrorist attacks in countries that have taken them in. That's not really a fair statement. The majority of White Supremacists in the country are trying to live a normal life there. They're literally not all terrorists and the majority of them don't condone terrorist attacks in countries that have taken them in. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:886253926] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>That's not really a fair statement. The majority of Muslims in the country are trying to live a normal life there. They're literally not all terrorists and the majority of them don't condone terrorist attacks in countries that have taken them in.</quote> That's not really a fair statement. The majority of White Supremacists in the country are trying to live a normal life there. They're literally not all terrorists and the majority of them don't condone terrorist attacks in countries that have taken them in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
unpleasant_milk 09/08/17 2:39:53 PM #11:	s0nicfan posted... It's like in the US, where all those poor KKK members and their kids have trouble fitting into most of society and getting jobs. It's a shame they can't do something like, I dunno, denounce their horrible ideology as a set of bad ideas and instead try to force society to conform to them instead. Exactly. Religion is just an idea. Some ideas are just crap. --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv <cite>unpleasant_milk posted [p:886253937] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>It's like in the US, where all those poor KKK members and their kids have trouble fitting into most of society and getting jobs. It's a shame they can't do something like, I dunno, denounce their horrible ideology as a set of bad ideas and instead try to force society to conform to them instead.</quote> Exactly. Religion is just an idea. Some ideas are just crap.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 09/08/17 2:40:12 PM #12:	Hexenherz posted... The majority of Muslims in the country Think homosexuality should be criminalized. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:886253954] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>The majority of Muslims in the country</quote> Think homosexuality should be criminalized.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yemmy 09/08/17 2:40:17 PM #13:	s0nicfan posted... It's like in the US, where all those poor KKK members and their kids have trouble fitting into most of society and getting jobs. It's a shame they can't do something like, I dunno, denounce their horrible ideology as a set of bad ideas and instead try to force society to conform to them instead. so is white privilege a thing or not? make up your minds lol --- p226 <cite>yemmy posted [p:886253960] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>It's like in the US, where all those poor KKK members and their kids have trouble fitting into most of society and getting jobs. It's a shame they can't do something like, I dunno, denounce their horrible ideology as a set of bad ideas and instead try to force society to conform to them instead.</quote> so is white privilege a thing or not? make up your minds lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GunmaN1905 09/08/17 2:40:57 PM #14:	Of course people are going to be fucking islamophobic when Islam has tried to conquer Europe for more than 500 years. <cite>GunmaN1905 posted [p:886253997] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote>Of course people are going to be fucking islamophobic when Islam has tried to conquer Europe for more than 500 years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 09/08/17 2:41:08 PM #15:	s0nicfan posted... Hexenherz posted... That's not really a fair statement. The majority of Muslims in the country are trying to live a normal life there. They're literally not all terrorists and the majority of them don't condone terrorist attacks in countries that have taken them in. That's not really a fair statement. The majority of White Supremacists in the country are trying to live a normal life there. They're literally not all terrorists and the majority of them don't condone terrorist attacks in countries that have taken them in. That's an entirely false equivalency and if you can't see that you have a very immature childish view of the world and it would behoove you to study up on foreign politics and religion rather than comment on a video game message board on those topics which you clearly don't understand. <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:886254004] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>That's not really a fair statement. The majority of Muslims in the country are trying to live a normal life there. They're literally not all terrorists and the majority of them don't condone terrorist attacks in countries that have taken them in.</quote> That's not really a fair statement. The majority of White Supremacists in the country are trying to live a normal life there. They're literally not all terrorists and the majority of them don't condone terrorist attacks in countries that have taken them in.</quote> That's an entirely false equivalency and if you can't see that you have a very immature childish view of the world and it would behoove you to study up on foreign politics and religion rather than comment on a video game message board on those topics which you clearly don't understand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 09/08/17 2:41:49 PM #16:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Hexenherz posted... The majority of Muslims in the country Think homosexuality should be criminalized. Ok? There are a lot of conservative Christian groups in a lot of Western countries that think it should be criminalized. <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:886254039] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>The majority of Muslims in the country</quote> Think homosexuality should be criminalized.</quote> Ok? There are a lot of conservative Christian groups in a lot of Western countries that think it should be criminalized.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Horus_Leftfield 09/08/17 2:42:42 PM #17:	unpleasant_milk posted... Horus_Leftfield posted... Does it feel good to shit on a minority tc How am I shitting on anyone? Digress. Muslims go back your country is intolerant, bigoted, nativist, Islamophobic, and wrong. You are legit evil dude and I don't even care if you trolling. --- "To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships." -- W.E.B. Du Bois <cite>Horus_Leftfield posted [p:886254080] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>unpleasant_milk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Horus_Leftfield posted...</cite> <quote>Does it feel good to shit on a minority tc</quote> How am I shitting on anyone? Digress.</quote> Muslims go back your country is intolerant, bigoted, nativist, Islamophobic, and wrong. You are legit evil dude and I don't even care if you trolling.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GunmaN1905 09/08/17 2:42:43 PM #18:	Hexenherz posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Hexenherz posted... The majority of Muslims in the country Think homosexuality should be criminalized. Ok? There are a lot of conservative Christian groups in a lot of Western countries that think it should be criminalized. What about women voting? What about sharia law? <cite>GunmaN1905 posted [p:886254082] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>The majority of Muslims in the country</quote> Think homosexuality should be criminalized.</quote> Ok? There are a lot of conservative Christian groups in a lot of Western countries that think it should be criminalized.</quote> What about women voting? What about sharia law?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 09/08/17 2:43:18 PM #19:	Hexenherz posted... That's an entirely false equivalency Not really, Islam is a religion that promotes Muslim supremacy. The only difference is that you can convert to Islam. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:886254115] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>That's an entirely false equivalency</quote> Not really, Islam is a religion that promotes Muslim supremacy. The only difference is that you can convert to Islam.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Itoldyaso 09/08/17 2:44:29 PM #20:	unpleasant_milk posted... Wouldn't have anything to do with oh I dunno, all those terrorist attacks done by Islamists? I think it has more to do with UK Muslims being majority Pakistanis, and UK Pakistanis are famous for their taxi prostitution rings. <cite>Itoldyaso posted [p:886254167] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>unpleasant_milk posted...</cite> <quote>Wouldn't have anything to do with oh I dunno, all those terrorist attacks done by Islamists?</quote> I think it has more to do with UK Muslims being majority Pakistanis, and UK Pakistanis are famous for their taxi prostitution rings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 09/08/17 2:44:34 PM #21:	GunmaN1905 posted... Hexenherz posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Hexenherz posted... The majority of Muslims in the country Think homosexuality should be criminalized. Ok? There are a lot of conservative Christian groups in a lot of Western countries that think it should be criminalized. What about women voting? What about sharia law? Ok? There are a lot of conservative groups that think minorities shouldn't have the right to vote, and the "Sharia law" scare is ridiculously unfounded. What governments need to do is start adopting serious culture education for immigrants instead of just pushing them into ghettos and then trying to criminalize every other aspect of their religion because it's different. <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:886254172] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>GunmaN1905 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>The majority of Muslims in the country</quote> Think homosexuality should be criminalized.</quote> Ok? There are a lot of conservative Christian groups in a lot of Western countries that think it should be criminalized.</quote> What about women voting? What about sharia law?</quote> Ok? There are a lot of conservative groups that think minorities shouldn't have the right to vote, and the "Sharia law" scare is ridiculously unfounded. What governments need to do is start adopting serious culture education for immigrants instead of just pushing them into ghettos and then trying to criminalize every other aspect of their religion because it's different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Horus_Leftfield 09/08/17 2:44:52 PM #22:	GunmaN1905 posted... Of course people are going to be fucking islamophobic when Islam has tried to conquer Europe for more than 500 years. You're pretty fucking sick dude --- "To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships." -- W.E.B. Du Bois <cite>Horus_Leftfield posted [p:886254189] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>GunmaN1905 posted...</cite> <quote>Of course people are going to be fucking islamophobic when Islam has tried to conquer Europe for more than 500 years.</quote> You're pretty fucking sick dude</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 09/08/17 2:44:55 PM #23:	What ELSE do British Muslims feel? Let's find out! https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey more than 100,000 British Muslims sympathize with suicide bombers and people who commit other terrorist acts only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists. 23% of British Muslims said Islamic Sharia law should replace British law in areas with large Muslim populations. 52% of the Muslims surveyed said they believe homosexuality should be illegal Nearly half believe it is unacceptable for a gay or lesbian to teach their children almost a third (31%) of British Muslims think polygamy should be legalized Among 18-to-24-year-olds, 35% think it is acceptable to have more than one wife. Thirty-nine percent of Muslims surveyed believe women should always obey their husbands One in three British Muslims refuse completely to condemn the stoning of women accused of adultery. 35% believe Jewish people have too much power in the UK --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:886254191] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote>What ELSE do British Muslims feel? Let's find out! https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey more than 100,000 British Muslims sympathize with suicide bombers and people who commit other terrorist acts only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists. 23% of British Muslims said Islamic Sharia law should replace British law in areas with large Muslim populations. 52% of the Muslims surveyed said they believe homosexuality should be illegal Nearly half believe it is unacceptable for a gay or lesbian to teach their children almost a third (31%) of British Muslims think polygamy should be legalized Among 18-to-24-year-olds, 35% think it is acceptable to have more than one wife. Thirty-nine percent of Muslims surveyed believe women should always obey their husbands One in three British Muslims refuse completely to condemn the stoning of women accused of adultery. 35% believe Jewish people have too much power in the UK</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
unpleasant_milk 09/08/17 2:45:05 PM #24:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... What's wrong with Islamophbia again? Islam says to kill me. Fuck it. Incidentally, islamophobia is a term coined by Iranian fundamentalists. Hard to take it seriously tbh. It's just a word used to suppress valid criticism by denouncing it as mere phobia. --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv <cite>unpleasant_milk posted [p:886254201] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>What's wrong with Islamophbia again? Islam says to kill me. Fuck it.</quote> Incidentally, islamophobia is a term coined by Iranian fundamentalists. Hard to take it seriously tbh. It's just a word used to suppress valid criticism by denouncing it as mere phobia.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 09/08/17 2:45:30 PM #25:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Hexenherz posted... That's an entirely false equivalency Not really, Islam is a religion that promotes Muslim supremacy. The only difference is that you can convert to Islam. lmao find me a moderate Muslim who believes in Muslim supremacy. Not only that, but again, you're trying to claim such a characteristic is unique to only one religious demographic when it applies to others as well. Everyone wants to be right. <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:886254216] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>That's an entirely false equivalency</quote> Not really, Islam is a religion that promotes Muslim supremacy. The only difference is that you can convert to Islam.</quote> lmao find me a moderate Muslim who believes in Muslim supremacy. Not only that, but again, you're trying to claim such a characteristic is unique to only one religious demographic when it applies to others as well. Everyone wants to be right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 09/08/17 2:45:34 PM #26:	Hexenherz posted... unpleasant_milk posted... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/08/british-muslims-islamophobic-country-jobs With Muslims constantly spoken of or portrayed in a negative way, it’s no wonder we struggle to get jobs and be socially mobile I wonder what it could be perhaps, that is contributing towards this negative portrayal? Wouldn't have anything to do with oh I dunno, all those terrorist attacks done by Islamists? They must accept that all these vile deeds done in its name must have an effect on how the religion and its followers are perceived. That's not really a fair statement. The majority of Muslims in the country are trying to live a normal life there. They're literally not all terrorists and the majority of them don't condone terrorist attacks in countries that have taken them in. Also I don't know how it is in UK, but having followed French politics on and off for more than the last decade, it's obvious that some European countries have institutionalized islamophobic policies and it's really difficult for any demographic to prosper under such restrictions. True, but it's not just the terrorism. A huge portion of Muslims have views that are completely incompatible with the U.K. For example: - 52% of British Muslims believe homosexuality should be illegal - 39% believe that “wives should always obey their husbands” - 23% want Sharia Law instated in the country https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law None of those things are compatible with Britian or any western country. The terrorism stereotype is a lazy scapegoat. The differences are cultural --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:886254223] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>unpleasant_milk posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/08/british-muslims-islamophobic-country-jobs With Muslims constantly spoken of or portrayed in a negative way, it’s no wonder we struggle to get jobs and be socially mobile I wonder what it could be perhaps, that is contributing towards this negative portrayal? Wouldn't have anything to do with oh I dunno, all those terrorist attacks done by Islamists? They must accept that all these vile deeds done in its name must have an effect on how the religion and its followers are perceived.</quote> That's not really a fair statement. The majority of Muslims in the country are trying to live a normal life there. They're literally not all terrorists and the majority of them don't condone terrorist attacks in countries that have taken them in. Also I don't know how it is in UK, but having followed French politics on and off for more than the last decade, it's obvious that some European countries have institutionalized islamophobic policies and it's really difficult for any demographic to prosper under such restrictions.</quote> True, but it's not just the terrorism. A huge portion of Muslims have views that are completely incompatible with the U.K. For example: - 52% of British Muslims believe homosexuality should be illegal - 39% believe that “wives should always obey their husbands” - 23% want Sharia Law instated in the country https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law None of those things are compatible with Britian or any western country. The terrorism stereotype is a lazy scapegoat. The differences are cultural</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liberals 09/08/17 2:45:49 PM #27:	GunmaN1905 posted... What about sharia law? The Christian Right has repeatedly tried to codify Christian values into our Constitution, even though it kinda is against that whole thing. --- #thingsliberalssay <cite>Liberals posted [p:886254239] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>GunmaN1905 posted...</cite> <quote>What about sharia law?</quote> The Christian Right has repeatedly tried to codify Christian values into our Constitution, even though it kinda is against that whole thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
unpleasant_milk 09/08/17 2:46:07 PM #28:	Horus_Leftfield posted... unpleasant_milk posted... Horus_Leftfield posted... Does it feel good to shit on a minority tc How am I shitting on anyone? Digress. Muslims go back your country is intolerant, bigoted, nativist, Islamophobic, and wrong. You are legit evil dude and I don't even care if you trolling. Whose alt is this? Post with your main and I'll bother with you. --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv <cite>unpleasant_milk posted [p:886254248] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>Horus_Leftfield posted...</cite> <quote><cite>unpleasant_milk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Horus_Leftfield posted...</cite> <quote>Does it feel good to shit on a minority tc</quote> How am I shitting on anyone? Digress.</quote> Muslims go back your country is intolerant, bigoted, nativist, Islamophobic, and wrong. You are legit evil dude and I don't even care if you trolling.</quote> Whose alt is this? Post with your main and I'll bother with you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 09/08/17 2:46:17 PM #29:	Hexenherz posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Hexenherz posted... The majority of Muslims in the country Think homosexuality should be criminalized. Ok? There are a lot of conservative Christian groups in a lot of Western countries that think it should be criminalized. Wow and you pulled the false equivalency card?! Most U.S. Christians aren't even against gay marriage, let alone criminalizing being gay. What the fuck are you on about? --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:886254255] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>The majority of Muslims in the country</quote> Think homosexuality should be criminalized.</quote> Ok? There are a lot of conservative Christian groups in a lot of Western countries that think it should be criminalized.</quote> Wow and you pulled the false equivalency card?! Most U.S. Christians aren't even against gay marriage, let alone criminalizing being gay. What the fuck are you on about?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RE_expert44 09/08/17 2:47:02 PM #30:	They just want to enrich England's culture until it's as prime as Syria or Iraq. --- RESIDENT EVIL COMMUNITY BOARD http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1074-resident-evil-past-present-and-future <cite>RE_expert44 posted [p:886254286] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote>They just want to enrich England's culture until it's as prime as Syria or Iraq.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GunmaN1905 09/08/17 2:47:07 PM #31:	Hexenherz posted... GunmaN1905 posted... Hexenherz posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Hexenherz posted... The majority of Muslims in the country Think homosexuality should be criminalized. Ok? There are a lot of conservative Christian groups in a lot of Western countries that think it should be criminalized. What about women voting? What about sharia law? Ok? There are a lot of conservative groups that think minorities shouldn't have the right to vote, and the "Sharia law" scare is ridiculously unfounded. What governments need to do is start adopting serious culture education for immigrants instead of just pushing them into ghettos and then trying to criminalize every other aspect of their religion because it's different. Why is it unfounded? All the rich Arab countries have it, don't they? Most of those immigrants strive for it. They don't want to get educated nor accept the western culture. They want to implement their culture onto the western world. If for example one guy comes alone into a non-muslim enviroment, it's fine. But as soon as you have a group of them, there's no chance you're going to educate them. If you ask me, Poland and Hungary should be the guidestones on how to deal with immigrants. <cite>GunmaN1905 posted [p:886254291] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GunmaN1905 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>The majority of Muslims in the country</quote> Think homosexuality should be criminalized.</quote> Ok? There are a lot of conservative Christian groups in a lot of Western countries that think it should be criminalized.</quote> What about women voting? What about sharia law?</quote> Ok? There are a lot of conservative groups that think minorities shouldn't have the right to vote, and the "Sharia law" scare is ridiculously unfounded. What governments need to do is start adopting serious culture education for immigrants instead of just pushing them into ghettos and then trying to criminalize every other aspect of their religion because it's different.</quote> Why is it unfounded? All the rich Arab countries have it, don't they? Most of those immigrants strive for it. They don't want to get educated nor accept the western culture. They want to implement their culture onto the western world. If for example one guy comes alone into a non-muslim enviroment, it's fine. But as soon as you have a group of them, there's no chance you're going to educate them. If you ask me, Poland and Hungary should be the guidestones on how to deal with immigrants.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 09/08/17 2:47:11 PM #32:	Hexenherz posted... That's an entirely false equivalency and if you can't see that you have a very immature childish view of the world and it would behoove you to study up on foreign politics and religion rather than comment on a video game message board on those topics which you clearly don't understand. Islam is a set of ideas you can choose to accept or not. It isn't genetic. It isn't tied to your skin color or nationality. You can accept them or reject them. If you accept a set of ideas that are bad, you can be held accountable for that. Just like any OTHER set of bad ideas (white supremacy, jewish conspiracy theories, anything Alex Jones says, etc) --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:886254294] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>That's an entirely false equivalency and if you can't see that you have a very immature childish view of the world and it would behoove you to study up on foreign politics and religion rather than comment on a video game message board on those topics which you clearly don't understand.</quote> Islam is a set of ideas you can choose to accept or not. It isn't genetic. It isn't tied to your skin color or nationality. You can accept them or reject them. If you accept a set of ideas that are bad, you can be held accountable for that. Just like any OTHER set of bad ideas (white supremacy, jewish conspiracy theories, anything Alex Jones says, etc)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
unpleasant_milk 09/08/17 2:48:19 PM #33:	Horus_Leftfield posted... GunmaN1905 posted... Of course people are going to be fucking islamophobic when Islam has tried to conquer Europe for more than 500 years. You're pretty fucking accurate with the historic facts there dude Ftfy --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv <cite>unpleasant_milk posted [p:886254348] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>Horus_Leftfield posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GunmaN1905 posted...</cite> <quote>Of course people are going to be fucking islamophobic when Islam has tried to conquer Europe for more than 500 years.</quote> You're pretty fucking accurate with the historic facts there dude</quote> Ftfy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GunmaN1905 09/08/17 2:49:28 PM #34:	unpleasant_milk posted... Horus_Leftfield posted... GunmaN1905 posted... Of course people are going to be fucking islamophobic when Islam has tried to conquer Europe for more than 500 years. You're pretty fucking accurate with the historic facts there dude Ftfy I just ignored him like 15 mins ago. Brand new bait alt with 20 karma shitposting everywhere. <cite>GunmaN1905 posted [p:886254411] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>unpleasant_milk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Horus_Leftfield posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GunmaN1905 posted...</cite> <quote>Of course people are going to be fucking islamophobic when Islam has tried to conquer Europe for more than 500 years.</quote> You're pretty fucking accurate with the historic facts there dude</quote> Ftfy</quote> I just ignored him like 15 mins ago. Brand new bait alt with 20 karma shitposting everywhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkdamental 09/08/17 2:49:51 PM #35:	Hexenherz posted... unpleasant_milk posted... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/08/british-muslims-islamophobic-country-jobs With Muslims constantly spoken of or portrayed in a negative way, it%u2019s no wonder we struggle to get jobs and be socially mobile I wonder what it could be perhaps, that is contributing towards this negative portrayal? Wouldn't have anything to do with oh I dunno, all those terrorist attacks done by Islamists? They must accept that all these vile deeds done in its name must have an effect on how the religion and its followers are perceived. That's not really a fair statement. The majority of Muslims in the country are trying to live a normal life there. They're literally not all terrorists and the majority of them don't condone terrorist attacks in countries that have taken them in. Also I don't know how it is in UK, but having followed French politics on and off for more than the last decade, it's obvious that some European countries have institutionalized islamophobic policies and it's really difficult for any demographic to prosper under such restrictions. Here's part of the problem. Islam gives an impression that the faith has dangerous weak spots of interpretation. That there are suras and hadiths that can be all too easily twisted to convince the susceptible and those attracted to radical, violent solutions that there is scriptural justification -- even a mandate -- for terrible atrocities. Many non-Muslims refuse to believe that it's possible for someone to be ‘radicalized’ into doing something that's genuinely profoundly contradictory to their personality and beliefs. Instead, they suspect that cultural conditioning – and by that, I mean the role of Islam in someone’s upbringing -- has a lot to do with the softening-up process and makes indoctrination easy. That's the challenge Islam faces in the West: to explain that modern salafists are basing their interpretations on distortions of the texts, and not drawing theologically correct and inescapable conclusions from what is in fact a crystal-clear message. To convince non-Muslims that there is nothing in genuine Islamic belief that could be misused in such a way. If that isn't possible, if it isn't clearly communicated, I fear there's going to continue to be a profound mistrust about what Muslims actually believe. --- Slaughterhouse 5 Cattle 0 <cite>Funkdamental posted [p:886254429] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>unpleasant_milk posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/08/british-muslims-islamophobic-country-jobs With Muslims constantly spoken of or portrayed in a negative way, it%u2019s no wonder we struggle to get jobs and be socially mobile I wonder what it could be perhaps, that is contributing towards this negative portrayal? Wouldn't have anything to do with oh I dunno, all those terrorist attacks done by Islamists? They must accept that all these vile deeds done in its name must have an effect on how the religion and its followers are perceived.</quote> That's not really a fair statement. The majority of Muslims in the country are trying to live a normal life there. They're literally not all terrorists and the majority of them don't condone terrorist attacks in countries that have taken them in. Also I don't know how it is in UK, but having followed French politics on and off for more than the last decade, it's obvious that some European countries have institutionalized islamophobic policies and it's really difficult for any demographic to prosper under such restrictions.</quote> Here's part of the problem. Islam gives an impression that the faith has dangerous weak spots of interpretation. That there are suras and hadiths that can be all too easily twisted to convince the susceptible and those attracted to radical, violent solutions that there is scriptural justification -- even a mandate -- for terrible atrocities. Many non-Muslims refuse to believe that it's possible for someone to be ‘radicalized’ into doing something that's genuinely profoundly contradictory to their personality and beliefs. Instead, they suspect that cultural conditioning – and by that, I mean the role of Islam in someone’s upbringing -- has a lot to do with the softening-up process and makes indoctrination easy. That's the challenge Islam faces in the West: to explain that modern salafists are basing their interpretations on distortions of the texts, and not drawing theologically correct and inescapable conclusions from what is in fact a crystal-clear message. To convince non-Muslims that there is nothing in genuine Islamic belief that could be misused in such a way. If that isn't possible, if it isn't clearly communicated, I fear there's going to continue to be a profound mistrust about what Muslims actually believe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GunmaN1905 09/08/17 2:51:02 PM #36:	Btw, what's with the liberals supporting muslims? Islam literally goes against every liberal idea. <cite>GunmaN1905 posted [p:886254486] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote>Btw, what's with the liberals supporting muslims? Islam literally goes against every liberal idea.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
unpleasant_milk 09/08/17 2:51:20 PM #37:	GunmaN1905 posted... unpleasant_milk posted... Horus_Leftfield posted... GunmaN1905 posted... Of course people are going to be fucking islamophobic when Islam has tried to conquer Europe for more than 500 years. You're pretty fucking accurate with the historic facts there dude Ftfy I just ignored him like 15 mins ago. Brand new bait alt with 20 karma shitposting everywhere. Yeah for sure. I told the user to stop hiding behind a blatant alt and use his/her main. Coward. --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv <cite>unpleasant_milk posted [p:886254499] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>GunmaN1905 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>unpleasant_milk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Horus_Leftfield posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GunmaN1905 posted...</cite> <quote>Of course people are going to be fucking islamophobic when Islam has tried to conquer Europe for more than 500 years.</quote> You're pretty fucking accurate with the historic facts there dude</quote> Ftfy</quote> I just ignored him like 15 mins ago. Brand new bait alt with 20 karma shitposting everywhere.</quote> Yeah for sure. I told the user to stop hiding behind a blatant alt and use his/her main. Coward.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Horus_Leftfield 09/08/17 2:51:29 PM #38:	The Admiral posted... Hexenherz posted... unpleasant_milk posted... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/08/british-muslims-islamophobic-country-jobs With Muslims constantly spoken of or portrayed in a negative way, it’s no wonder we struggle to get jobs and be socially mobile I wonder what it could be perhaps, that is contributing towards this negative portrayal? Wouldn't have anything to do with oh I dunno, all those terrorist attacks done by Islamists? They must accept that all these vile deeds done in its name must have an effect on how the religion and its followers are perceived. That's not really a fair statement. The majority of Muslims in the country are trying to live a normal life there. They're literally not all terrorists and the majority of them don't condone terrorist attacks in countries that have taken them in. Also I don't know how it is in UK, but having followed French politics on and off for more than the last decade, it's obvious that some European countries have institutionalized islamophobic policies and it's really difficult for any demographic to prosper under such restrictions. True, but it's not just the terrorism. A huge portion of Muslims have views that are completely incompatible with the U.K. For example: - 52% of British Muslims believe homosexuality should be illegal - 39% believe that “wives should always obey their husbands” - 23% want Sharia Law instated in the country https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law None of those things are compatible with Britian or any western country. The terrorism stereotype is a lazy scapegoat. The differences are cultural So 77% of British Muslims don't want sharia and 61% don't think wives should have to obey they husbands? Your bigotry is showing Admiral --- "To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships." -- W.E.B. Du Bois <cite>Horus_Leftfield posted [p:886254509] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>unpleasant_milk posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/08/british-muslims-islamophobic-country-jobs With Muslims constantly spoken of or portrayed in a negative way, it’s no wonder we struggle to get jobs and be socially mobile I wonder what it could be perhaps, that is contributing towards this negative portrayal? Wouldn't have anything to do with oh I dunno, all those terrorist attacks done by Islamists? They must accept that all these vile deeds done in its name must have an effect on how the religion and its followers are perceived.</quote> That's not really a fair statement. The majority of Muslims in the country are trying to live a normal life there. They're literally not all terrorists and the majority of them don't condone terrorist attacks in countries that have taken them in. Also I don't know how it is in UK, but having followed French politics on and off for more than the last decade, it's obvious that some European countries have institutionalized islamophobic policies and it's really difficult for any demographic to prosper under such restrictions.</quote> True, but it's not just the terrorism. A huge portion of Muslims have views that are completely incompatible with the U.K. For example: - 52% of British Muslims believe homosexuality should be illegal - 39% believe that “wives should always obey their husbands” - 23% want Sharia Law instated in the country https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law None of those things are compatible with Britian or any western country. The terrorism stereotype is a lazy scapegoat. The differences are cultural</quote> So 77% of British Muslims don't want sharia and 61% don't think wives should have to obey they husbands? Your bigotry is showing Admiral</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 09/08/17 2:51:32 PM #39:	s0nicfan posted... What ELSE do British Muslims feel? Let's find out! https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey more than 100,000 British Muslims sympathize with suicide bombers and people who commit other terrorist acts only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists. 23% of British Muslims said Islamic Sharia law should replace British law in areas with large Muslim populations. 52% of the Muslims surveyed said they believe homosexuality should be illegal Nearly half believe it is unacceptable for a gay or lesbian to teach their children almost a third (31%) of British Muslims think polygamy should be legalized Among 18-to-24-year-olds, 35% think it is acceptable to have more than one wife. Thirty-nine percent of Muslims surveyed believe women should always obey their husbands One in three British Muslims refuse completely to condemn the stoning of women accused of adultery. 35% believe Jewish people have too much power in the UK In 2013, 14% of Americans believed that Jews have too much power in America; 19% say they have too much power in the business world; 26% believe that Jews were responsible for the death of Christ; 18% that Jews have too much influence on the news Media, and 24% believe that Jews pretty much run the movie and television industries. In a 2017 Gallup poll, 23% of Americans believed homosexual relations should be illegal. I'm doubtful about the questions regarding sympathy towards suicide bombers - that's a very ambiguous question and very open to interpretation, just like most poll questions. <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:886254514] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>What ELSE do British Muslims feel? Let's find out! https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey more than 100,000 British Muslims sympathize with suicide bombers and people who commit other terrorist acts only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists. 23% of British Muslims said Islamic Sharia law should replace British law in areas with large Muslim populations. 52% of the Muslims surveyed said they believe homosexuality should be illegal Nearly half believe it is unacceptable for a gay or lesbian to teach their children almost a third (31%) of British Muslims think polygamy should be legalized Among 18-to-24-year-olds, 35% think it is acceptable to have more than one wife. Thirty-nine percent of Muslims surveyed believe women should always obey their husbands One in three British Muslims refuse completely to condemn the stoning of women accused of adultery. 35% believe Jewish people have too much power in the UK</quote> In 2013, 14% of Americans believed that Jews have too much power in America; 19% say they have too much power in the business world; 26% believe that Jews were responsible for the death of Christ; 18% that Jews have too much influence on the news Media, and 24% believe that Jews pretty much run the movie and television industries. In a 2017 Gallup poll, 23% of Americans believed homosexual relations should be illegal. I'm doubtful about the questions regarding sympathy towards suicide bombers - that's a very ambiguous question and very open to interpretation, just like most poll questions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 09/08/17 2:53:47 PM #40:	Horus_Leftfield posted... So 77% of British Muslims don't want sharia and 61% don't think wives should have to obey they husbands? Your bigotry is showing Admiral I'm actually surprised ROD got the math right. Not surprised this is another dumb post where all he does is call someone a bigot. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:886254625] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>Horus_Leftfield posted...</cite> <quote>So 77% of British Muslims don't want sharia and 61% don't think wives should have to obey they husbands? Your bigotry is showing Admiral</quote> I'm actually surprised ROD got the math right. Not surprised this is another dumb post where all he does is call someone a bigot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkdamental 09/08/17 2:54:30 PM #41:	GunmaN1905 posted... Btw, what's with the liberals supporting muslims? Islam literally goes against every liberal idea. I strongly dislike Islam because -- in common with other irrational belief systems that seek to control people with myths, fairy tales and superstitions ultimately backed by the threat of heavenly (or earthly) punishment for dissenters -- it's an ideology that fits into the liberal secular humanistic society that I believe in about as well as a square peg in a round hole. But that doesn't mean you can't separate the human rights and civil liberties of the holders of a belief from criticism of the belief itself. (No ideology is, or should be, immune from criticism.) There's no contradiction between being willing to criticize Islam as a flawed ideology and being willing to defend Muslims from injustice or violence -- any more than there's a contradiction between pointing out that Scientology is a fraud and insisting that Scientologists are entitled to constitutional rights. However, liberals should also fight tooth and nail against giving sharia law an inch of extra space. --- Slaughterhouse 5 Cattle 0 <cite>Funkdamental posted [p:886254666] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>GunmaN1905 posted...</cite> <quote>Btw, what's with the liberals supporting muslims? Islam literally goes against every liberal idea.</quote> I strongly dislike Islam because -- in common with other irrational belief systems that seek to control people with myths, fairy tales and superstitions ultimately backed by the threat of heavenly (or earthly) punishment for dissenters -- it's an ideology that fits into the liberal secular humanistic society that I believe in about as well as a square peg in a round hole. But that doesn't mean you can't separate the human rights and civil liberties of the holders of a belief from criticism of the belief itself. (No ideology is, or should be, immune from criticism.) There's no contradiction between being willing to criticize Islam as a flawed ideology and being willing to defend Muslims from injustice or violence -- any more than there's a contradiction between pointing out that Scientology is a fraud and insisting that Scientologists are entitled to constitutional rights. However, liberals should also fight tooth and nail against giving sharia law an inch of extra space.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 09/08/17 2:54:35 PM #42:	Funkdamental posted... Here's part of the problem. Islam gives an impression that the faith has dangerous weak spots of interpretation. That there are suras and hadiths that can be all too easily twisted to convince the susceptible and those attracted to radical, violent solutions that there is scriptural justification -- even a mandate -- for terrible atrocities. Many non-Muslims refuse to believe that it's possible for someone to be ‘radicalized’ into doing something that's genuinely profoundly contradictory to their personality and beliefs. Instead, they suspect that cultural conditioning – and by that, I mean the role of Islam in someone’s upbringing -- has a lot to do with the softening-up process and makes indoctrination easy. That's the challenge Islam faces in the West: to explain that modern salafists are basing their interpretations on distortions of the texts, and not drawing correct and inescapable conclusions from a crystal-clear message. To convince non-Muslims that there is nothing in genuine Islamic belief that could be misused in such a way. If that isn't possible, if it isn't clearly communicated, I fear there's going to continue to be a profound mistrust about what Muslims actually believe. This is a bullshit non-argument. You hand wave away EVERY extremist action with "well they're just not interpreting the book right" and that's nonsense. If it was 1 or 2 people, maybe you'd have a point, but you have entire SECTS of the religion believing those verses. You have entire countries that will kill a jew on site. You have Muslim GOVERNMENTS calling for the global eradication of the jewish people. You have poll after poll after poll in Europe where "moderate" muslims are calling for a ban on homosexuality, for a restriction on human rights, for a separate set of laws for believers and nonbelievers... there is overwhelming evidence that Islam is itself a flawed set of ideas, and not that it's just "a bunch of people reading the book wrong". Here's an earth-shattering revelation for you: those same people think YOU are reading the book wrong. Who gets to define which interpretation is "right"? Oh, the one that attempts to convince the rest of the world more of it is a good thing? Yea, I'm not buying it. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:886254670] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkdamental posted...</cite> <quote>Here's part of the problem. Islam gives an impression that the faith has dangerous weak spots of interpretation. That there are suras and hadiths that can be all too easily twisted to convince the susceptible and those attracted to radical, violent solutions that there is scriptural justification -- even a mandate -- for terrible atrocities. Many non-Muslims refuse to believe that it's possible for someone to be ‘radicalized’ into doing something that's genuinely profoundly contradictory to their personality and beliefs. Instead, they suspect that cultural conditioning – and by that, I mean the role of Islam in someone’s upbringing -- has a lot to do with the softening-up process and makes indoctrination easy. That's the challenge Islam faces in the West: to explain that modern salafists are basing their interpretations on distortions of the texts, and not drawing correct and inescapable conclusions from a crystal-clear message. To convince non-Muslims that there is nothing in genuine Islamic belief that could be misused in such a way. If that isn't possible, if it isn't clearly communicated, I fear there's going to continue to be a profound mistrust about what Muslims actually believe.</quote> This is a bullshit non-argument. You hand wave away EVERY extremist action with "well they're just not interpreting the book right" and that's nonsense. If it was 1 or 2 people, maybe you'd have a point, but you have entire SECTS of the religion believing those verses. You have entire countries that will kill a jew on site. You have Muslim GOVERNMENTS calling for the global eradication of the jewish people. You have poll after poll after poll in Europe where "moderate" muslims are calling for a ban on homosexuality, for a restriction on human rights, for a separate set of laws for believers and nonbelievers... there is overwhelming evidence that Islam is itself a flawed set of ideas, and not that it's just "a bunch of people reading the book wrong". Here's an earth-shattering revelation for you: those same people think YOU are reading the book wrong. Who gets to define which interpretation is "right"? Oh, the one that attempts to convince the rest of the world more of it is a good thing? Yea, I'm not buying it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 09/08/17 2:54:37 PM #43:	Medz1206 posted... Why dont they move to a county that is majority muslium? They want to be in a country not held back to the dark ages. They want to be Muslim without the backwards horrible policies some Muslim nations have. Is that too much to ask for? --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:886254673] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>Medz1206 posted...</cite> <quote>Why dont they move to a county that is majority muslium?</quote> They want to be in a country not held back to the dark ages. They want to be Muslim without the backwards horrible policies some Muslim nations have. Is that too much to ask for?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
unpleasant_milk 09/08/17 2:54:49 PM #44:	GunmaN1905 posted... Btw, what's with the liberals supporting muslims? Islam literally goes against every liberal idea. Cognitive dissonance mate. Just like how feminists will defend the right to wear some stupid burka like it's empowering or some crap. All the while ignoring all those Iranian women who fucking hate having to wear that stuff and discard it at every given opportunity. It's mental quite honestly. --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv <cite>unpleasant_milk posted [p:886254681] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>GunmaN1905 posted...</cite> <quote>Btw, what's with the liberals supporting muslims? Islam literally goes against every liberal idea.</quote> Cognitive dissonance mate. Just like how feminists will defend the right to wear some stupid burka like it's empowering or some crap. All the while ignoring all those Iranian women who fucking hate having to wear that stuff and discard it at every given opportunity. It's mental quite honestly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NINExATExSEVEN 09/08/17 2:55:24 PM #45:	s0nicfan posted... What ELSE do British Muslims feel? Let's find out! https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey more than 100,000 British Muslims sympathize with suicide bombers and people who commit other terrorist acts only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists. 23% of British Muslims said Islamic Sharia law should replace British law in areas with large Muslim populations. 52% of the Muslims surveyed said they believe homosexuality should be illegal Nearly half believe it is unacceptable for a gay or lesbian to teach their children almost a third (31%) of British Muslims think polygamy should be legalized Among 18-to-24-year-olds, 35% think it is acceptable to have more than one wife. Thirty-nine percent of Muslims surveyed believe women should always obey their husbands One in three British Muslims refuse completely to condemn the stoning of women accused of adultery. 35% believe Jewish people have too much power in the UK But don't worry, when they become the majority they'll totally uphold western civilization. #sarcasm --- Listen to my story... This... May be our last chance... Dubstep song of the week http://youtu.be/MmVHWPdI5d0 <cite>NINExATExSEVEN posted [p:886254711] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>What ELSE do British Muslims feel? Let's find out! https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey more than 100,000 British Muslims sympathize with suicide bombers and people who commit other terrorist acts only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists. 23% of British Muslims said Islamic Sharia law should replace British law in areas with large Muslim populations. 52% of the Muslims surveyed said they believe homosexuality should be illegal Nearly half believe it is unacceptable for a gay or lesbian to teach their children almost a third (31%) of British Muslims think polygamy should be legalized Among 18-to-24-year-olds, 35% think it is acceptable to have more than one wife. Thirty-nine percent of Muslims surveyed believe women should always obey their husbands One in three British Muslims refuse completely to condemn the stoning of women accused of adultery. 35% believe Jewish people have too much power in the UK</quote> But don't worry, when they become the majority they'll totally uphold western civilization. #sarcasm</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 09/08/17 2:56:04 PM #46:	I am really digging the irony in your posts, s0nicfan. <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:886254753] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote>I am really digging the irony in your posts, s0nicfan.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GunmaN1905 09/08/17 2:56:56 PM #47:	Funkdamental posted... GunmaN1905 posted... Btw, what's with the liberals supporting muslims? Islam literally goes against every liberal idea. I strongly dislike Islam because -- in common with other irrational belief systems that seek to control people with myths, fairy tales and superstitions ultimately backed by the threat of heavenly (or earthly) punishment for dissenters -- it's an ideology that fits into the liberal secular humanistic society that I believe in about as well as a square peg in a round hole. But that doesn't mean you can't separate the human rights and civil liberties of the holders of a belief from criticism of the belief itself. (No ideology is, or should be, immune from criticism.) There's no contradiction between being willing to criticize Islam as a flawed ideology and being willing to defend Muslims from injustice or violence -- any more than there's a contradiction between pointing out that Scientology is a fraud and insisting that Scientologists are entitled to constitutional rights. I get you point, but the thing I dislike the most about religion in the modern day is that people bend it too far. Every normal muslim that I know is basically not a muslim. None of their wives wear burkas or walk behind them, they don't eat on a seperate table etc. I remember that I got modded here some time ago because I literally quoted a paragraph quraan which basically said "go and kill the heretics". <cite>GunmaN1905 posted [p:886254799] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkdamental posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GunmaN1905 posted...</cite> <quote>Btw, what's with the liberals supporting muslims? Islam literally goes against every liberal idea.</quote> I strongly dislike Islam because -- in common with other irrational belief systems that seek to control people with myths, fairy tales and superstitions ultimately backed by the threat of heavenly (or earthly) punishment for dissenters -- it's an ideology that fits into the liberal secular humanistic society that I believe in about as well as a square peg in a round hole. But that doesn't mean you can't separate the human rights and civil liberties of the holders of a belief from criticism of the belief itself. (No ideology is, or should be, immune from criticism.) There's no contradiction between being willing to criticize Islam as a flawed ideology and being willing to defend Muslims from injustice or violence -- any more than there's a contradiction between pointing out that Scientology is a fraud and insisting that Scientologists are entitled to constitutional rights.</quote> I get you point, but the thing I dislike the most about religion in the modern day is that people bend it too far. Every normal muslim that I know is basically not a muslim. None of their wives wear burkas or walk behind them, they don't eat on a seperate table etc. I remember that I got modded here some time ago because I literally quoted a paragraph quraan which basically said "go and kill the heretics".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 09/08/17 2:57:03 PM #48:	creativerealms posted... Medz1206 posted... Why dont they move to a county that is majority muslium? They want to be in a country not held back to the dark ages. They want to be Muslim without the backwards horrible policies some Muslim nations have. Is that too much to ask for? Yes, that's too much to ask. Islam has ruined every country it has taken a majority in. You don't get to ruin 52 countries and then demand to be given a permanent spot in a good one AND ALSO that they should respect the same set of beliefs that ruined their last homes. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:886254804] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Medz1206 posted...</cite> <quote>Why dont they move to a county that is majority muslium?</quote> They want to be in a country not held back to the dark ages. They want to be Muslim without the backwards horrible policies some Muslim nations have. Is that too much to ask for?</quote> Yes, that's too much to ask. Islam has ruined every country it has taken a majority in. You don't get to ruin 52 countries and then demand to be given a permanent spot in a good one AND ALSO that they should respect the same set of beliefs that ruined their last homes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Horus_Leftfield 09/08/17 2:58:55 PM #49:	NINExATExSEVEN posted... s0nicfan posted... What ELSE do British Muslims feel? Let's find out! https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey more than 100,000 British Muslims sympathize with suicide bombers and people who commit other terrorist acts only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists. 23% of British Muslims said Islamic Sharia law should replace British law in areas with large Muslim populations. 52% of the Muslims surveyed said they believe homosexuality should be illegal Nearly half believe it is unacceptable for a gay or lesbian to teach their children almost a third (31%) of British Muslims think polygamy should be legalized Among 18-to-24-year-olds, 35% think it is acceptable to have more than one wife. Thirty-nine percent of Muslims surveyed believe women should always obey their husbands One in three British Muslims refuse completely to condemn the stoning of women accused of adultery. 35% believe Jewish people have too much power in the UK But don't worry, when they become the majority they'll totally uphold western civilization. #sarcasm Regressives like you are da fucking worst. And you and @Gavirulax actually tried to say "It's not Muslims I have a problem with it's Islam" in the other topic. --- "To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships." -- W.E.B. Du Bois <cite>Horus_Leftfield posted [p:886254894] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>NINExATExSEVEN posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>What ELSE do British Muslims feel? Let's find out! https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey more than 100,000 British Muslims sympathize with suicide bombers and people who commit other terrorist acts only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists. 23% of British Muslims said Islamic Sharia law should replace British law in areas with large Muslim populations. 52% of the Muslims surveyed said they believe homosexuality should be illegal Nearly half believe it is unacceptable for a gay or lesbian to teach their children almost a third (31%) of British Muslims think polygamy should be legalized Among 18-to-24-year-olds, 35% think it is acceptable to have more than one wife. Thirty-nine percent of Muslims surveyed believe women should always obey their husbands One in three British Muslims refuse completely to condemn the stoning of women accused of adultery. 35% believe Jewish people have too much power in the UK</quote> But don't worry, when they become the majority they'll totally uphold western civilization. #sarcasm</quote> Regressives like you are da fucking worst. And you and @Gavirulax actually tried to say "It's not Muslims I have a problem with it's Islam" in the other topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 09/08/17 2:59:16 PM #50:	s0nicfan posted... creativerealms posted... Medz1206 posted... Why dont they move to a county that is majority muslium? They want to be in a country not held back to the dark ages. They want to be Muslim without the backwards horrible policies some Muslim nations have. Is that too much to ask for? Yes, that's too much to ask. Islam has ruined every country it has taken a majority in. You don't get to ruin 52 countries and then demand to be given a permanent spot in a good one AND ALSO that they should respect the same set of beliefs that ruined their last homes. This is highly subjective. Many Islam-majority nations were rather prosperous before third party interference via political subterfuge and war. <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:886254917] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Medz1206 posted...</cite> <quote>Why dont they move to a county that is majority muslium?</quote> They want to be in a country not held back to the dark ages. They want to be Muslim without the backwards horrible policies some Muslim nations have. Is that too much to ask for?</quote> Yes, that's too much to ask. Islam has ruined every country it has taken a majority in. You don't get to ruin 52 countries and then demand to be given a permanent spot in a good one AND ALSO that they should respect the same set of beliefs that ruined their last homes.</quote> This is highly subjective. Many Islam-majority nations were rather prosperous before third party interference via political subterfuge and war.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoreRpgs 09/08/17 3:00:39 PM #51:	They're always bitching about something <cite>MoreRpgs posted [p:886254999] in British Mu... [t:75754542]...</cite> <quote>They're always bitching about something</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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