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SgtSphynx
09/13/17 11:33:28 PM
#401:


If Trump follows through on that, and doesn't immediately disregard it afterwards (not holding my breath), I will grant that that is a good thing.

I hope that this turns out, but I do not expect it to.
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LordoftheMorons
09/13/17 11:37:02 PM
#402:


Polling is very much pro-Dreamers (iirc a little over 50% want them to have a path to citizenship and another 20ish want them to be able to stay in the country) and of course the mainstream media will be for it because ending DACA in the first place was ridiculous.

The Brietbarts of the world are gonna be fucking furious, though; hopefully Kelly's doing a good job keeping it away from Trump.
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Suprak the Stud
09/13/17 11:39:10 PM
#403:


Kelly+Mattis+McMaster+SURPRISE Schumer/Pelosi

Could make this a "not a complete and utter nightmare" presidency yet!
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SgtSphynx
09/13/17 11:42:20 PM
#404:


I really hope that when this is done, the Dreamers are on better footing, whether that is path to citizenship (preferable) or just being able to stay in the country.

I am just super pessimistic about Trump doing anything "good." If he does something "good," I will give him credit, but my definition of good in this sense is not same as your average Trump supporter's definition. When Trump starts showing an actual respect for the constitution, I will stop being so pessimistic.
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Not_an_Owl
09/14/17 12:16:39 AM
#405:


Suprak the Stud posted...
r/the_donald is going to be furious if this is true.

And anybody should care because...?
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SupremeZero
09/14/17 12:26:20 AM
#406:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Suprak the Stud posted...
r/the_donald is going to be furious if this is true.

And anybody should care because...?

Entertainment value.
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transience
09/14/17 12:30:58 AM
#407:


I don't think that place can be furious. they just move on to the next thing.

breitbart, on the other hand, whoa
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Suprak the Stud
09/14/17 12:36:41 AM
#408:


SupremeZero posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...
Suprak the Stud posted...
r/the_donald is going to be furious if this is true.

And anybody should care because...?

Entertainment value.


^

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UltiXX
09/14/17 12:51:28 AM
#409:


I see nothing wrong with amnesty for illegals that are here to be good people, and I've said since before the election that I wanted Trump to do this. Deport and keep out the violent felons, not the good people.

And frankly I'm ok with him crossing the aisle. Every good president crosses the aisle. Leading by example is a great way to bring people together.
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BowserCuffs
09/14/17 1:06:22 AM
#410:


MrGreenonion posted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/09/13/8-year-old-boy-was-hung-from-rope-by-n-h-teenagers-because-of-his-race-family-says/

Well this is horrible


Those kids didn't get the idea to lynch that boy out of a vacuum. They got it from their parents, the company their parents keep, the people their parents look up to and tell them to look up to as well.

When you sow racism, you reap violence, always.
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red sox 777
09/14/17 1:14:35 AM
#411:


The comments section on Yahoo news is against dreamers, to a surprising degree. I feel like it's very difficult to do this in a way that can work, politically, for Republicans. They need a way to get credit for it so the new citizens don't become more votes for Democrats.

The universal healthcare is actually easier, I think. Trump appears with Bernie at a press conference and announces that he's been working with Bernie on his grand plan to repeal Obamacare and replace it with something that provides affordable healthcare for everyone, and it's finally ready. I think Congress will buckle under once they see the polls.
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red sox 777
09/14/17 1:20:45 AM
#412:


I guess they could just enshrine DACA into law. It would be creating a new official class of permanent noncitizens. Incidentally, there's nothing that stops states from granting the right to vote to noncitizens who live there. But if blue states did it, it wouldn't really impact the federal government, as representation in the electoral college and Congress would stay the same, notwithstanding the new voters in blue states.
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UltiXX
09/14/17 1:34:01 AM
#413:


BowserCuffs posted...
MrGreenonion posted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/09/13/8-year-old-boy-was-hung-from-rope-by-n-h-teenagers-because-of-his-race-family-says/

Well this is horrible


Those kids didn't get the idea to lynch that boy out of a vacuum. They got it from their parents, the company their parents keep, the people their parents look up to and tell them to look up to as well.

When you sow racism, you reap violence, always.

Yeah, it's sad.

I imagine you're equally outraged over a rapper mock lynching a white child in a music video?
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kevwaffles
09/14/17 1:37:27 AM
#414:


red sox 777 posted...
The universal healthcare is actually easier, I think. Trump appears with Bernie at a press conference and announces that he's been working with Bernie on his grand plan to repeal Obamacare and replace it with something that provides affordable healthcare for everyone, and it's finally ready. I think Congress will buckle under once they see the polls.

I assume in this scenario they've perfected mind control and are using it on Bernie.
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MoogleKupo141
09/14/17 1:42:21 AM
#415:


Ulti's really going after rappers a lot lately
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Suprak the Stud
09/14/17 2:17:49 AM
#416:


BowserCuffs posted...
MrGreenonion posted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/09/13/8-year-old-boy-was-hung-from-rope-by-n-h-teenagers-because-of-his-race-family-says/

Well this is horrible


Those kids didn't get the idea to lynch that boy out of a vacuum. They got it from their parents, the company their parents keep, the people their parents look up to and tell them to look up to as well.

When you sow racism, you reap violence, always.


Why would you possibly assume that these racist thugs learned it from their parents? Do you have a shred of evidence for that?

Obviously, they could come from egregiously awful racist monsters. Or possibly not. I have no idea what possibly brought you to that connection because I didn't see it in the article, or any of the other sources I've read on the story (granted, I could have missed it so if you see something I don't please quote it to me). It might be comforting to think that bad people only come from bad parents, but that isn't the case.

I specifically remember one of the racists that was identified after Charlottesville the whole family basically came out and disavowed. Father essentially disowned him, and cousins said no one in the family believed anything to that effect. Racism can obviously be taught. But it is dangerous to assume the parents are monsters here because their children are.
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BowserCuffs
09/14/17 3:32:32 AM
#417:


Suprak the Stud posted...
BowserCuffs posted...
MrGreenonion posted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/09/13/8-year-old-boy-was-hung-from-rope-by-n-h-teenagers-because-of-his-race-family-says/

Well this is horrible


Those kids didn't get the idea to lynch that boy out of a vacuum. They got it from their parents, the company their parents keep, the people their parents look up to and tell them to look up to as well.

When you sow racism, you reap violence, always.


Why would you possibly assume that these racist thugs learned it from their parents? Do you have a shred of evidence for that?

Obviously, they could come from egregiously awful racist monsters. Or possibly not. I have no idea what possibly brought you to that connection because I didn't see it in the article, or any of the other sources I've read on the story (granted, I could have missed it so if you see something I don't please quote it to me). It might be comforting to think that bad people only come from bad parents, but that isn't the case.

I specifically remember one of the racists that was identified after Charlottesville the whole family basically came out and disavowed. Father essentially disowned him, and cousins said no one in the family believed anything to that effect. Racism can obviously be taught. But it is dangerous to assume the parents are monsters here because their children are.


Because lynching someone for their race is an older racist trope - the kind that would be passed down through generations, where nowadays I would assume that the most immediate way that young violent racists would act on their thirst for blood would be punching, kicking, or shooting.

At the very least, they were inspired by the actions of the KKK of old. There's too much similarities between their actions to say otherwise. And far too often, racism is passed down through the generations.
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LordoftheMorons
09/14/17 5:17:16 AM
#418:


I'm listening to Vox's podcast on Bernie's single payer plan. I think a lot of the obvious 2020 contenders might regret signing on to this thing.

The plan would be much more generous than any existing single payer plan (everything besides maybe drugs iirc would be 100% free) and it would completely eliminate all other insurance besides like VA insurance. Because it's 100% free you obviously increase the total demand for healthcare, but meanwhile you'll likely be paying doctors less (like Medicare does) unless you want the cost to be even more insane, which means you're going to end up decreasing the supply of doctors/hospitals.

Presumably Bernie (and definitely the other Dems) are willing to be negotiated down to something more reasonable, but that's not going to stop the GOP from attacking them with the downsides of this plan once it's scored by the CBO etc.
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Peace___Frog
09/14/17 6:42:42 AM
#419:


Trump is denying that a deal took place.

No deal was made last night on DACA. Massive border security would have to be agreed to in exchange for consent. Would be subject to vote.

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Eddv
09/14/17 6:45:55 AM
#420:


I think its actually doable - but it would have to be the next democrats entire agenda.

No free college, no democratic reform or infrastructure. This would be our only spending priority and would likely come with a (if Trump passes a tax cut especially) steep tax hike.

I wonder how many of them are ready to defend that
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Peace___Frog
09/14/17 8:46:41 AM
#421:


These replies, oh my - the people are turning on coulter

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/908285561194078208

At this point, who DOESN'T want Trump impeached? https://t.co/g1mMhmm8ng

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Mr Lasastryke
09/14/17 9:18:54 AM
#422:


trump's presidency has been good for at least one thing - showing how truly terrible coulter is. since trump became president she's pretty much constantly been in "AHHHH WHY ISN'T HE BUILDING THE WALL I HATE MEXICANS" meltdown mode.
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Suprak the Stud
09/14/17 9:49:20 AM
#423:


BowserCuffs posted...
Suprak the Stud posted...
BowserCuffs posted...
MrGreenonion posted...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/09/13/8-year-old-boy-was-hung-from-rope-by-n-h-teenagers-because-of-his-race-family-says/

Well this is horrible


Those kids didn't get the idea to lynch that boy out of a vacuum. They got it from their parents, the company their parents keep, the people their parents look up to and tell them to look up to as well.

When you sow racism, you reap violence, always.


Why would you possibly assume that these racist thugs learned it from their parents? Do you have a shred of evidence for that?

Obviously, they could come from egregiously awful racist monsters. Or possibly not. I have no idea what possibly brought you to that connection because I didn't see it in the article, or any of the other sources I've read on the story (granted, I could have missed it so if you see something I don't please quote it to me). It might be comforting to think that bad people only come from bad parents, but that isn't the case.

I specifically remember one of the racists that was identified after Charlottesville the whole family basically came out and disavowed. Father essentially disowned him, and cousins said no one in the family believed anything to that effect. Racism can obviously be taught. But it is dangerous to assume the parents are monsters here because their children are.


Because lynching someone for their race is an older racist trope - the kind that would be passed down through generations, where nowadays I would assume that the most immediate way that young violent racists would act on their thirst for blood would be punching, kicking, or shooting.

At the very least, they were inspired by the actions of the KKK of old. There's too much similarities between their actions to say otherwise. And far too often, racism is passed down through the generations.


They were absolutely influenced by the KKK and should be tried for attempted murder/domestic terrorism.

I just have seen absolutely nothing to implicate the parents in any way. Great parents often give birth to atrocious children. It isn't as simple as "oh the parents must be bad too" because there are many many ways these thoughts can get into a persons head.
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Suprak the Stud
09/14/17 9:50:49 AM
#424:


Peace___Frog posted...
Trump is denying that a deal took place.

No deal was made last night on DACA. Massive border security would have to be agreed to in exchange for consent. Would be subject to vote.


The good bit of news is he tweeted after this saying "no one wants to throw these people out and they came here through no fault of their own". So I still have some hope we can get something passed.
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Suprak the Stud
09/14/17 9:52:32 AM
#425:


In response to those tweets, r/the_donald is having a mini meltdown. Top response on the post have all been deleted for being critical of Trump and this is the sort of stuff that has the most upvotes:

More states are going to become permanently blue like California did under Reagan and his amnesty. I feel physically sick.


T R I G G E R E D
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Jakyl25
09/14/17 10:00:18 AM
#426:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Peace___Frog posted...
Trump is denying that a deal took place.

No deal was made last night on DACA. Massive border security would have to be agreed to in exchange for consent. Would be subject to vote.


The good bit of news is he tweeted after this saying "no one wants to throw these people out and they came here through no fault of their own". So I still have some hope we can get something passed.


The sad thing is that many people do
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Peace___Frog
09/14/17 10:04:20 AM
#427:


You need only look at the replies to coulter to see that many people want to kick dreamers out. Some shining city on a hill.
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The Mana Sword
09/14/17 10:07:24 AM
#428:


I'm glad Schumer and Pelosi have been able to figure out how to navigate Trump's endless desire for acceptance and recognition.
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Suprak the Stud
09/14/17 10:07:41 AM
#429:


Nearly every reply on the Donald to that tweet is some variation of "we need to kick them out" "who cares if they are good people - go back to Mexico and improve your own country" "Trump is wrong the globalists got to him" or, if they are feeling optimistic "this is just more 4d chess wait until he pulls the rug out from the cuckservatives".

So yeah. A huge chunk of his base wants to kick basically everyone out, sadly.
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Jakyl25
09/14/17 10:45:17 AM
#430:


What part of being sycophants don't they understand? Trump says it's good, so it's good
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Jakyl25
09/14/17 10:47:47 AM
#431:


Also it's hilarious that they're against more border security just because it's not A LITERAL WALL
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Stripperiffic
09/14/17 10:50:17 AM
#432:


Is a wall really going to keep the bad guys out? I mean if anything, a wall seems more likely to keep the good guys out, while the bad guys find another way in.
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TheRock1525
09/14/17 11:07:32 AM
#433:


Man, I'm hoping Trump keeps making deals with the Democrats just for the sake of crushing his base's spirit. Because I don't think many of them realize that Trump was kinda famous before he ran and it played a large part in him getting through the primaries to begin with. Attach your white nationalist agenda to some "true believer" and I guarantee you he gets 3% or less in the Republican primary.
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TheRock1525
09/14/17 11:08:13 AM
#434:


BTW if you want evidence that Trump's base is losing faith, Rasmussen dropped 4% since he made his debt ceiling deal with Pelosi and Schumer.
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transcience
09/14/17 12:05:42 PM
#435:


Trump's going up in polls, not down. it's due to this past month of relative calm. he isn't making waves and the Russia stuff is largely just rumors about Mueller.
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Peace___Frog
09/14/17 12:06:54 PM
#436:


If you need more evidence of the hypocrisy of conservatives:

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/908070879158050820
Ted Cruz: Consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want in their bedrooms; “The media and the left seem obsessed with sex” https://t.co/UlJOIoPjcI

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transcience
09/14/17 12:29:16 PM
#437:


https://krypt3ia.wordpress.com/2017/09/14/equihax/

what's up with Kim's credit score
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SgtSphynx
09/14/17 1:14:22 PM
#438:


TBH, I am more surprised at Trump's.
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Panthera
09/14/17 3:53:31 PM
#439:


Stripperiffic posted...
Is a wall really going to keep the bad guys out? I mean if anything, a wall seems more likely to keep the good guys out, while the bad guys find another way in.


Every time the wall comes up I picture it getting built from coast to coast, leaving an easy way for people to just swim around it in a few seconds
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LordoftheMorons
09/14/17 4:44:19 PM
#440:


https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/908428107027230722

Please no
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Jakyl25
09/14/17 4:49:47 PM
#441:


Isn't that WORSE than what the last one got?
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LordoftheMorons
09/14/17 4:55:23 PM
#442:


Well I guess the idea is that if they're that close Mitch could lean on everyone besides Collins/Murkowski or Graham could sweeten the deal for their states or something. This is just Graham's preliminary count.
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UltiXX
09/14/17 5:02:02 PM
#443:


I just saw a speech where Pelosi clearly has Alzheimers and is slurring her speech really badly. I feel really sad for her right now. We've all had a family member deal with that sort of thing and it's very hard to watch.
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Jakyl25
09/14/17 5:10:50 PM
#444:


How do you know she's not just an alcoholic
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HaRRicH
09/14/17 5:12:27 PM
#445:


Don't they need more than fifty votes now?
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CelesMyUserName
09/14/17 5:13:05 PM
#446:


it's hard to take those "concerns" seriously while we got President Trump here
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LapisLazuli
09/14/17 5:13:16 PM
#447:


Ulti is such a gross fuck.
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Peace___Frog
09/14/17 5:19:51 PM
#448:


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/908409572943126528

Spoke to President of Mexico to give condolences on terrible earthquake. Unable to reach for 3 days b/c of his cell phone reception at site.


Does anyone besides his brainwashed fan base actually believe this?
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HaRRicH
09/14/17 6:23:00 PM
#449:


Rasmussen today:

Strongly approve - 26%
Strongly disapprove - 44%

Approve - 44%
Disapprove - 54%


Just making sure: are Rasmussen numbers still his most favorable?
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Paratroopa1
09/14/17 6:24:21 PM
#450:


HaRRicH posted...
Just making sure: are Rasmussen numbers still his most favorable?

As far as like, 538-approved pollsters go, yeah
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