Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 133: Easy D's Democratic Dalliance

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Jakyl25 posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Regardless of how fair it is, there will certainly be real world ramifications if he is indeed the bomber

Such as?

Racists become more emboldened, which is somehow the fault of an entire group of people victimized by these same terrorists, as opposed to the fault of the racists for willingly believing in racism.
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Going through August's news and came across this gem...


8/16/2017
TWITTER - Ltd Liability Cool J (Hard Men To Please)

Fucking unbelievable that 2017 still has this much gas in the tank https://t.co/LMA68dbP6M

*PICTURE OF TWEETS REGARDING CLASH BETWEEN TRUMP-RALLY AND JUGGALO MARCH WITH ICP IN SEPTEMBER*

https://twitter.com/jesticide/status/897941541221670912


...bringing it up to ask if this is the same thing ICP is in the news for lately, because I thought their latest thing was about standing up against being labeled a gang. This sounds separate, but Juggalo marches don't sound commonplace either.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Regardless of how fair it is, there will certainly be real world ramifications if he is indeed the bomber

Such as?

Right wing politicians insisting that it validates their xenophobic immigration policies and potentially garnering enough public support to restrict even further

I thought Trump was already turning away refugees
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HaRRicH posted...

...bringing it up to ask if this is the same thing ICP is in the news for lately, because I thought their latest thing was about standing up against being labeled a gang. This sounds separate, but Juggalo marches don't sound commonplace either.

It is the same thing. The original tweet was just pointing out that both groups organized a march on the same day in the same area.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Regardless of how fair it is, there will certainly be real world ramifications if he is indeed the bomber

Such as?

Right wing politicians insisting that it validates their xenophobic immigration policies and potentially garnering enough public support to restrict even further

I thought Trump was already turning away refugees

And maybe the UK does the same, maybe Trump does more. Just saying the identity of the bomber of not inconsequential.
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Wasn't there a refugee among the people who did the bomb at the Ariana Grande concert? That didn't seem to change anything
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So uh, here's a photo of two of Trump's lawyers talking about the Russia investigation in public in front of a New York Times reporter:

https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/909615525285842949
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Yeah I read that one of the things they discussed was being "conservative" in handing over documents to Mueller and that there are two documents "locked in a safe" that even they haven't seen.
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In a safe right this moment:

Donald's taxes
Donald's shoe size
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how's b8 on the Emmys outrage over Spicer

I think it's really stupid to normalize him.

It makes the outrage look insincere. Which, for a lot of Hollywood, it probably is!
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I'm more annoyed that's he's a Harvard IoP Fellow, but I generally agree with the idea that he shouldn't get to shamelessly lie for Trump for half a year and then be accepted by society with open arms and no penance.
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Can't wait to see the media normalize Trump after he's out of office. I look forward to seeing him dance on stage with Ellen.
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I was originally leaning towards the idea that it was kinda neat to poke fun at himself, but upon reflection I do think it comes off as insincere for all parties involved.
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The Mana Sword posted...

Can't wait to see the media normalize Trump after he's out of office. I look forward to seeing him dance on stage with Ellen.

Oh god, how many foam/cardboard wall skits are we in for?
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Graham-Cassidy update:

McCain appears to be "reluctantly" on board because his governor supports it (despite the fact that there will obviously be no time for regular order). Rand Paul is quite loudly trashing the bill so there may still be three votes to kill it, but I'm never comfortable counting on Rand Paul as my savior.
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I just literally never took Spicer seriously, I don't mind "normalizing" someone who's existence is just as a mouthpiece. Spicer's just an entirely insignificant being to the "Trump administration", he never steered anything on the policies, he's basically a messenger. Meanwhile his presence to me, in context with Colbert's whole intro blasting Trump, Spicer's appearance if anything would get under Trump's skin more.

If this were Bannon or someone that actually meant something I could understand, but Spicer's nothing.
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TheRock1525 posted...

I was originally leaning towards the idea that it was kinda neat to poke fun at himself, but upon reflection I do think it comes off as insincere for all parties involved.

I'm fine with letting him poke fun at himself if he gets grilled first and genuinely apologizes for his worst shit.

His Colbert appearance was not that.
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Rand Paul is worthless. If they can actually get together a vote in the next two weeks, I think this one will probably (unfortunately) pass.
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CelesMyUserName posted...

I just literally never took Spicer seriously, I don't mind "normalizing" someone who's existence is just as a mouthpiece. Spicer's just an entirely insignificant being to the "Trump administration", he never steered anything on the policies, he's basically a messenger. Meanwhile his presence to me, in context with Colbert's whole intro blasting Trump, Spicer's appearance if anything would get under Trump's skin more.

If this were Bannon or someone that actually meant something I could understand, but Spicer's nothing.

The mouthpiece is important though. He was basically tasked with a national gaslighting campaign and went along with it.
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It's just so incredibly low-level grunt work that I'm really not going to care much. I still don't like the guy but he's not on the level of being ostracized or anything.
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The Mana Sword posted...

Rand Paul is worthless. If they can actually get together a vote in the next two weeks, I think this one will probably (unfortunately) pass.

There is still the additional chance that it fails in the House due to the fact that it absolutely guts funding from many states (such as CA, NY, etc). It would be very bad for a vulnerable member in a state losing a ton of funding to vote for this piece of shit.

Then again, I doubt most of them have the courage to oppose it even when it's in their own best interest if they'd have to share the title of "person who let Obamacare live"
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CelesMyUserName posted...

It's just so incredibly low-level grunt work that I'm really not going to care much. I still don't like the guy but he's not on the level of being ostracized or anything.

I'm really more appalled at the people letting him in on the joke, as it implies that all it ever was was a joke.
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I still can't understand the reason people want to cut the ACA. From what I can tell they want to lower premiums but cutting ACA would increase them? Isn't that what I've read?
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Speaking of which, one of the GOP's ideas for "tax reform" is apparently getting rid of the deduction for state/local income tax (which would again really fuck over people in most blue states). Similar incentives will be in play there for blue state GOP Reps.
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Shaduln posted...

I still can't understand the reason people want to cut the ACA.

because a scary black man endorsed it
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More real answer: the majority of citizens don't want the ACA repealed. This is strictly a Congress thing to make good on 8 years spouting garbage against it because it was endorsed by a scary black man.
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Shaduln posted...

I still can't understand the reason people want to cut the ACA. From what I can tell they want to lower premiums but cutting ACA would increase them? Isn't that what I've read?

Republican politicians have duped their base into thinking Obamacare is bad for them and have been winning elections since 2010 based solely on a promise to repeal it. Now they're in a weird place where actually following through on the promise will probably hurt a good number of their constituents, but not following through results in them losing a primary challenge to someone who will.

Also yeah, scary black man.
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Shaduln posted...

I still can't understand the reason people want to cut the ACA. From what I can tell they want to lower premiums but cutting ACA would increase them? Isn't that what I've read?

Yep.

I'm pretty confident that most Americans who want it repealed just know that they aren't satisfied with their current healthcare situation (either they're paying more than they want to be or their coverage isn't good enough or don't want insurance that they're forced to buy due to the individual mandate); besides the last group these people wouldn't really have a problem with Obamacare specifically and just want "better healthcare."

The GOP has been lying for seven years about having a better solution when most of them opposed it either a) because they don't believe the federal government should be in the business of providing people with health insurance or b) because it was good politics to oppose Obama. Now their political incentive is to repeal Obamacare even though they don't actually have a viable solution and don't even agree on which direction to go (which is why they've been coming up with all of these different but shitty plans).
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https://twitter.com/daneggenwpost/status/909164405799211008

I laughed
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Sounds like the GOP is trying to pull some bullshit where they don't wait for a full score on Graham-Cassidy

McCain is also maybe back to a no on rushing the bill through
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/daneggenwpost/status/909164405799211008

I laughed

Took me a minute
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Shaduln posted...

I still can't understand the reason people want to cut the ACA. From what I can tell they want to lower premiums but cutting ACA would increase them? Isn't that what I've read?

"Down with Obamacare!"
"You realize that you're only insured because of it, right?"
"Oh, they wouldn't dare take MINE away!"

-Eastern Kentucky, and I assume a majority of Trump voters.
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Murkowski is also apparently undecided
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She always says that early, she did the same for the last run at this. She'll still vote no.
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https://twitter.com/doggeaux/status/909685988691034112

This really is...quite an amazing thread
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I should become a political cartoonist
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we should put the word debt in every topic title going forward
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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/18/how-to-read-bob-mueller-hand-215616

Comprehensive look at what we can discern about the Mueller investigation at this point. Good stuff.
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Sen. Kennedy maybe opposed for a dumb reason, but I guess I'll take it?

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/909882947217608704
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Sen. Kennedy maybe opposed for a dumb reason, but I guess I'll take it?

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/909882947217608704

The BEST reason. Top tier hilarious reasons.
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CelesMyUserName posted...

I just literally never took Spicer seriously, I don't mind "normalizing" someone who's existence is just as a mouthpiece. Spicer's just an entirely insignificant being to the "Trump administration", he never steered anything on the policies, he's basically a messenger. Meanwhile his presence to me, in context with Colbert's whole intro blasting Trump, Spicer's appearance if anything would get under Trump's skin more.

If this were Bannon or someone that actually meant something I could understand, but Spicer's nothing.

This is 100% my take on it.
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TheRock1525 posted...

"Us conservatives are totally not obsessed with transgendered people's genitalia, now let's claim that all trans women pee standing up at home."

don't you call me a conservative ever again
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Warpspeed backwards is a conservative.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Warpspeed backwards

...I can't believe I never figured that out on my own T_T

Also, Warpspeed backwards is a conservative.
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https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/909876290114789380

Nothing to see here, just democrats blasting their party leadership.

Are you trying to make some anti-Pelosi point? Because she's not the person being ridiculous in that clip.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Are you trying to make some anti-Pelosi point? Because she's not the person being ridiculous in that clip.

Conservatives could look at a picture of Pelosi eating a salad and think it's the most ridiculous, crazy, insane thing ever.

This isn't new.
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https://twitter.com/yashar/status/909916528669331456

This sounds bad for Paul Manafort
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https://twitter.com/matthewamiller/status/909918021300490240

Oh jeez, he was tapped too?
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