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Reg 09/18/17 8:07:21 PM #277:	Lordy there are tapes --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Reg posted [p:886850539] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>Lordy there are tapes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 09/18/17 8:13:59 PM #278:	stupid watergate keeps getting stupider --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:886850881] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>stupid watergate keeps getting stupider</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BowserCuffs 09/18/17 8:18:46 PM #279:	And the only thing Trumpists seem to focus on is that this is somehow proof that Obama wiretapped Trump. --- Life is unfair by nature - People are unfair by choice. Using this as an excuse for bad behavior is worse than juvenile. <cite>BowserCuffs posted [p:886851102] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>And the only thing Trumpists seem to focus on is that this is somehow proof that Obama wiretapped Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 09/18/17 9:33:50 PM #280:	To be fair, that was the most predictable expectation. My first thought when I saw the news was, "How long before 'the news is fake, the taps are real'?" --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:886855673] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>To be fair, that was the most predictable expectation. My first thought when I saw the news was, "How long before 'the news is fake, the taps are real'?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/18/17 9:36:27 PM #281:	BowserCuffs posted... And the only thing Trumpists seem to focus on is that this is somehow proof that Obama wiretapped Trump. Is it not? It's weird to say, but this kind of vindicates some of his paranoia that everyone mocked him for. I can't remember if Obama denied it, but that would also make him a liar (something everyone should have known after 8 years anyway...). --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:886855849] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>BowserCuffs posted...</cite> <quote>And the only thing Trumpists seem to focus on is that this is somehow proof that Obama wiretapped Trump.</quote> Is it not? It's weird to say, but this kind of vindicates some of his paranoia that everyone mocked him for. I can't remember if Obama denied it, but that would also make him a liar (something everyone should have known after 8 years anyway...).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 09/18/17 9:38:13 PM #282:	IIRC, the statement the Obama Administration gave was clear and specific. I think they said they never tapped Trump Tower, but someone can double check. But I mean, that's all a weird thing to focus on over the fact that there was sufficient cause for a wiretap for an investigation here. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:886855971] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>IIRC, the statement the Obama Administration gave was clear and specific. I think they said they never tapped Trump Tower, but someone can double check. But I mean, that's all a weird thing to focus on over the fact that there was sufficient cause for a wiretap for an investigation here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/18/17 9:38:26 PM #283:	Nelson_Mandela posted... BowserCuffs posted... And the only thing Trumpists seem to focus on is that this is somehow proof that Obama wiretapped Trump. Is it not? It's weird to say, but this kind of vindicates some of his paranoia that everyone mocked him for. I can't remember if Obama denied it, but that would also make him a liar (something everyone should have known after 8 years anyway...). lmao r u srs Would it make him a liar, or a person who knows better than to speak on a secret wiretapping investigation? --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:886855987] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BowserCuffs posted...</cite> <quote>And the only thing Trumpists seem to focus on is that this is somehow proof that Obama wiretapped Trump.</quote> Is it not? It's weird to say, but this kind of vindicates some of his paranoia that everyone mocked him for. I can't remember if Obama denied it, but that would also make him a liar (something everyone should have known after 8 years anyway...).</quote> lmao r u srs Would it make him a liar, or a person who knows better than to speak on a secret wiretapping investigation?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BowserCuffs 09/18/17 9:38:59 PM #284:	Side note, I mentioned Fighting Words once in one of these topics before, and why I'm no longer on the fence about punching Nazis. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fighting_words Words which would likely make the person whom they are addressed commit an act of violence. Fighting words are a category of speech that is unprotected by the First Amendment. Chaplinsky v New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568 (1942). I wasn't joking. --- Life is unfair by nature - People are unfair by choice. Using this as an excuse for bad behavior is worse than juvenile. <cite>BowserCuffs posted [p:886856016] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>Side note, I mentioned Fighting Words once in one of these topics before, and why I'm no longer on the fence about punching Nazis. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fighting_words <quote>Words which would likely make the person whom they are addressed commit an act of violence. Fighting words are a category of speech that is unprotected by the First Amendment. Chaplinsky v New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568 (1942).</quote> I wasn't joking.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/18/17 9:39:51 PM #285:	Frankly after seeing some of the Trump fanboy tears over this, I've been thinking and maybe it'd be ok if literally all Presidential candidates were wiretapped? Like, in exchange for becoming leader of the free world, you have to prove you're on the up and up? Is that too crazy? --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:886856079] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>Frankly after seeing some of the Trump fanboy tears over this, I've been thinking and maybe it'd be ok if literally all Presidential candidates were wiretapped? Like, in exchange for becoming leader of the free world, you have to prove you're on the up and up? Is that too crazy?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/18/17 9:41:19 PM #286:	http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/351151-trump-begins-first-un-remarks-by-mentioning-his-building-across-the Trump starts first UN speech by praising the Trump apartment building across the street Not The Onion. --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:886856191] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/351151-trump-begins-first-un-remarks-by-mentioning-his-building-across-the Trump starts first UN speech by praising the Trump apartment building across the street Not The Onion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/18/17 9:41:22 PM #287:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... BowserCuffs posted... And the only thing Trumpists seem to focus on is that this is somehow proof that Obama wiretapped Trump. Is it not? It's weird to say, but this kind of vindicates some of his paranoia that everyone mocked him for. I can't remember if Obama denied it, but that would also make him a liar (something everyone should have known after 8 years anyway...). lmao r u srs Would it make him a liar, or a person who knows better than to speak on a secret wiretapping investigation? A denial in itself is interference with an ongoing investigation. A "no comment" would suffice. But again, I don't remember how they specifically addressed it. Either way, Trump was right. Which blows my mind. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:886856195] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BowserCuffs posted...</cite> <quote>And the only thing Trumpists seem to focus on is that this is somehow proof that Obama wiretapped Trump.</quote> Is it not? It's weird to say, but this kind of vindicates some of his paranoia that everyone mocked him for. I can't remember if Obama denied it, but that would also make him a liar (something everyone should have known after 8 years anyway...).</quote> lmao r u srs Would it make him a liar, or a person who knows better than to speak on a secret wiretapping investigation?</quote> A denial in itself is interference with an ongoing investigation. A "no comment" would suffice. But again, I don't remember how they specifically addressed it. Either way, Trump was right. Which blows my mind.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 09/18/17 9:41:36 PM #288:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Is that too crazy? Yeah. That's not a good idea. You're giving way too much power to whoever is on the other end of those. How could you ensure they are perfectly neutral and independent from influence and won't try to use it as leverage or to favor one candidate or another? --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:886856212] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>Is that too crazy?</quote> Yeah. That's not a good idea. You're giving way too much power to whoever is on the other end of those. How could you ensure they are perfectly neutral and independent from influence and won't try to use it as leverage or to favor one candidate or another?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 09/18/17 9:44:02 PM #289:	...But he's not right? At least AFAIK with all the information we have? Trump accused the administration of wiretapping him. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:886856367] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>...But he's not right? At least AFAIK with all the information we have? Trump accused the administration of wiretapping him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/18/17 9:45:30 PM #290:	xp1337 posted... ...But he's not right? At least AFAIK with all the information we have? Trump accused the administration of wiretapping him. They wiretapped many of his conversations. I'd say that distinction is just semantics at this point. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:886856454] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>...But he's not right? At least AFAIK with all the information we have? Trump accused the administration of wiretapping him.</quote> They wiretapped many of his conversations. I'd say that distinction is just semantics at this point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 09/18/17 9:46:20 PM #291:	Nelson_Mandela posted... I'd say that distinction is just semantics at this point. But it's not? --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:886856517] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote> I'd say that distinction is just semantics at this point.</quote> But it's not?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/18/17 9:46:52 PM #292:	xp1337 posted... ...But he's not right? At least AFAIK with all the information we have? Trump accused the administration of wiretapping him. Yeah, from what I remember, the Administration did say they were wiretapping SOMEONE in Trump Tower, but denied it was Trump. Now we know who it was. --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:886856551] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>...But he's not right? At least AFAIK with all the information we have? Trump accused the administration of wiretapping him.</quote> Yeah, from what I remember, the Administration did say they were wiretapping SOMEONE in Trump Tower, but denied it was Trump. Now we know who it was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/18/17 9:48:43 PM #293:	xp1337 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... I'd say that distinction is just semantics at this point. But it's not? Yeah, I mean if YOU got wiretapped and I called you, I didn't get wiretapped, I called into a tapped phone. There's a very clear and important difference, tbh. --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:886856680] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote> I'd say that distinction is just semantics at this point.</quote> But it's not?</quote> Yeah, I mean if YOU got wiretapped and I called you, I didn't get wiretapped, I called into a tapped phone. There's a very clear and important difference, tbh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/18/17 9:48:53 PM #294:	xp1337 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... I'd say that distinction is just semantics at this point. But it's not? Of course it is--are you guys that delusional? If someone was wiretapping your mother's phone, and she talked to you multiple times during the week, wouldn't you feel that you yourself were being spied on? Manafort was his fucking campaign manager. I have to imagine that a large chunk of Trump's conversations involved him. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:886856687] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote> I'd say that distinction is just semantics at this point.</quote> But it's not?</quote> Of course it is--are you guys that delusional? If someone was wiretapping your mother's phone, and she talked to you multiple times during the week, wouldn't you feel that you yourself were being spied on? Manafort was his fucking campaign manager. I have to imagine that a large chunk of Trump's conversations involved him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 09/18/17 9:49:22 PM #295:	Nelson_Mandela posted... xp1337 posted... ...But he's not right? At least AFAIK with all the information we have? Trump accused the administration of wiretapping him. They wiretapped many of his conversations. I'd say that distinction is just semantics at this point. Like hell it is. The difference between tapping him directly and tapping somebody he was talking to is absolutely significant in this context. --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Reg posted [p:886856718] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>...But he's not right? At least AFAIK with all the information we have? Trump accused the administration of wiretapping him.</quote> They wiretapped many of his conversations. I'd say that distinction is just semantics at this point.</quote> Like hell it is. The difference between tapping him directly and tapping somebody he was talking to is absolutely significant in this context.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/18/17 9:49:51 PM #296:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... xp1337 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... I'd say that distinction is just semantics at this point. But it's not? Yeah, I mean if YOU got wiretapped and I called you, I didn't get wiretapped, I called into a tapped phone. There's a very clear and important difference, tbh. Yes, it's a clear semantic difference. It's still an invasion of privacy. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:886856765] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote> I'd say that distinction is just semantics at this point.</quote> But it's not?</quote> Yeah, I mean if YOU got wiretapped and I called you, I didn't get wiretapped, I called into a tapped phone. There's a very clear and important difference, tbh.</quote> Yes, it's a clear semantic difference. It's still an invasion of privacy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/18/17 9:51:37 PM #297:	Reg posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... xp1337 posted... ...But he's not right? At least AFAIK with all the information we have? Trump accused the administration of wiretapping him. They wiretapped many of his conversations. I'd say that distinction is just semantics at this point. Like hell it is. The difference between tapping him directly and tapping somebody he was talking to is absolutely significant in this context. It's only significant in the context that the evidence presumably cannot be used against Trump in any kind of criminal case. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:886856896] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>Reg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>...But he's not right? At least AFAIK with all the information we have? Trump accused the administration of wiretapping him.</quote> They wiretapped many of his conversations. I'd say that distinction is just semantics at this point.</quote> Like hell it is. The difference between tapping him directly and tapping somebody he was talking to is absolutely significant in this context.</quote> It's only significant in the context that the evidence presumably cannot be used against Trump in any kind of criminal case.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 09/18/17 9:54:14 PM #298:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Of course it is--are you guys that delusional? If someone was wiretapping your mother's phone, and she talked to you multiple times during the week, wouldn't you feel that you yourself were being spied on? Was she being wiretapped from an investigation stretching back to 2014? You're trying to frame this like the wiretap was done for no reason or for laughs. You realize you need a court to sign off on this, right? maybe you should be asking how such a person became campaign manager to begin with? what happened to extreme vetting --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:886857076] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Of course it is--are you guys that delusional? If someone was wiretapping your mother's phone, and she talked to you multiple times during the week, wouldn't you feel that you yourself were being spied on?</quote> Was she being wiretapped from an investigation stretching back to 2014? You're trying to frame this like the wiretap was done for no reason or for laughs. You realize you need a court to sign off on this, right? maybe you should be asking how such a person became campaign manager to begin with? what happened to extreme vetting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/18/17 9:58:32 PM #299:	xp1337 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Of course it is--are you guys that delusional? If someone was wiretapping your mother's phone, and she talked to you multiple times during the week, wouldn't you feel that you yourself were being spied on? Was she being wiretapped from an investigation stretching back to 2014? You're trying to frame this like the wiretap was done for no reason or for laughs. You realize you need a court order showing cause to believe the person you're tapping is acting on behalf of a foreign power, right? maybe you should be asking how such a person became campaign manager to begin with? what happened to extreme vetting Dude, I am not defending Trump. I hate the guy more than most people in this topic. But to not see that Trump's tweet-- "Just found out Obama had my 'wires tapped' in Trump Tower"-- which was mocked and derided and used by some as evidence for mental instability, was actually mostly correct, is absolute blindness. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:886857361] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Of course it is--are you guys that delusional? If someone was wiretapping your mother's phone, and she talked to you multiple times during the week, wouldn't you feel that you yourself were being spied on?</quote> Was she being wiretapped from an investigation stretching back to 2014? You're trying to frame this like the wiretap was done for no reason or for laughs. You realize you need a court order showing cause to believe the person you're tapping is acting on behalf of a foreign power, right? maybe you should be asking how such a person became campaign manager to begin with? what happened to extreme vetting</quote> Dude, I am not defending Trump. I hate the guy more than most people in this topic. But to not see that Trump's tweet-- "Just found out Obama had my 'wires tapped' in Trump Tower"-- which was mocked and derided and used by some as evidence for mental instability, was actually mostly correct, is absolute blindness.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MalcolmMasher 09/18/17 9:59:00 PM #300:	Yes, it's a clear semantic difference. It's still an invasion of privacy. That's why you can't do it without getting a judge's approval, yes. Here in the United States we do accept that sometimes the public right to know "is there a corpse in this basement" and suchlike overrides an individual's right to privacy. --- I don't like this duchy. Now, it's an adventurer. <cite>MalcolmMasher posted [p:886857397] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>Yes, it's a clear semantic difference. It's still an invasion of privacy. That's why you can't do it without getting a judge's approval, yes. Here in the United States we do accept that sometimes the public right to know "is there a corpse in this basement" and suchlike overrides an individual's right to privacy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 09/18/17 10:01:42 PM #301:	Nelson_Mandela posted... But to not see that Trump's tweet [...] was actually mostly correct, is absolute blindness. I'd think the absolute blindness is failing to see all the context involved and coming to that conclusion, personally. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:886857601] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>But to not see that Trump's tweet [...] was actually mostly correct, is absolute blindness.</quote> I'd think the absolute blindness is failing to see all the context involved and coming to that conclusion, personally.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/18/17 10:08:23 PM #302:	Nelson_Mandela posted... xp1337 posted... ...But he's not right? At least AFAIK with all the information we have? Trump accused the administration of wiretapping him. They wiretapped many of his conversations. I'd say that distinction is just semantics at this point. No, it's not. The idea that they wiretapped people who may have spoken to him was on the table from day one --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886858046] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>...But he's not right? At least AFAIK with all the information we have? Trump accused the administration of wiretapping him.</quote> They wiretapped many of his conversations. I'd say that distinction is just semantics at this point.</quote> No, it's not. The idea that they wiretapped people who may have spoken to him was on the table from day one</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 09/18/17 10:12:51 PM #303:	Seph, if for some dumbass reason you call up a wanted terrorist, who is being wiretapped, are YOU being wiretapped, or are THEY being wiretapped. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:886858296] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>Seph, if for some dumbass reason you call up a wanted terrorist, who is being wiretapped, are YOU being wiretapped, or are THEY being wiretapped.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/18/17 10:14:56 PM #304:	Like, are you trying to say that wiretapping Manafort after he was done as campaign manager was some attempt to get dirt on Trump? If they had that strong of a suspicion that Trump was involved directly in illegal activity at the time, they COULD have bugged his office. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886858422] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>Like, are you trying to say that wiretapping Manafort after he was done as campaign manager was some attempt to get dirt on Trump? If they had that strong of a suspicion that Trump was involved directly in illegal activity at the time, they COULD have bugged his office.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/18/17 10:28:42 PM #305:	Looking at what the new Health Care proposal does What's the point of only defunding Planned Parenthood for a year? Symbolism? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886859335] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>Looking at what the new Health Care proposal does What's the point of only defunding Planned Parenthood for a year? Symbolism?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 09/18/17 10:31:26 PM #306:	Being able to say you did/your opponent didn't in campaign ads? --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:886859524] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>Being able to say you did/your opponent didn't in campaign ads?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/18/17 10:45:32 PM #307:	It would cover the 2018 campaigns so yeah that makes sense --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886860419] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>It would cover the 2018 campaigns so yeah that makes sense</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 09/18/17 10:56:43 PM #308:	Nelson_Mandela posted... But to not see that Trump's tweet-- "Just found out Obama had my 'wires tapped' in Trump Tower"-- which was mocked and derided and used by some as evidence for mental instability, was actually mostly correct, is absolute blindness. literally none of that post is correct still --- http://i.imgur.com/U7qSWmn.jpg something something hung something horse something <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:886861105] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>But to not see that Trump's tweet-- "Just found out Obama had my 'wires tapped' in Trump Tower"-- which was mocked and derided and used by some as evidence for mental instability, was actually mostly correct, is absolute blindness.</quote> literally none of that post is correct still</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 09/18/17 11:08:03 PM #309:	Trump's tweet is wrong regardless. Obama had nothing to do with the Manafort wiretap. He did not direct it, and it had nothing to do with Manafort being Trump's campaign manager. --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:886861723] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>Trump's tweet is wrong regardless. Obama had nothing to do with the Manafort wiretap. He did not direct it, and it had nothing to do with Manafort being Trump's campaign manager.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 09/18/17 11:14:21 PM #310:	"I'm not defending Trump I'm just twisting his words to something that would've almost been 20% correct but still wrong instead of what he actually said which was completely wrong, and saying he was completely right." --- http://i.imgur.com/U7qSWmn.jpg something something hung something horse something <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:886862031] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>"I'm not defending Trump I'm just twisting his words to something that would've almost been 20% correct but still wrong instead of what he actually said which was completely wrong, and saying he was completely right."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/18/17 11:33:57 PM #311:	SephG: "I hate Trump so much!" Also SephG: "I will defend 90% of what he does." --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:886863043] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>SephG: "I hate Trump so much!" Also SephG: "I will defend 90% of what he does."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 09/18/17 11:41:17 PM #312:	LordoftheMorons posted... Speaking of which, one of the GOP's ideas for "tax reform" is apparently getting rid of the deduction for state/local income tax (which would again really fuck over people in most blue states). Similar incentives will be in play there for blue state GOP Reps. It's a nice incentive for blue states to get rid of their own income taxes. As long as the sales tax deduction is also abolished (since sales tax is worse than income tax). --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:886863409] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>Speaking of which, one of the GOP's ideas for "tax reform" is apparently getting rid of the deduction for state/local income tax (which would again really fuck over people in most blue states). Similar incentives will be in play there for blue state GOP Reps.</quote> It's a nice incentive for blue states to get rid of their own income taxes. As long as the sales tax deduction is also abolished (since sales tax is worse than income tax).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 09/18/17 11:43:47 PM #313:	red sox 777 posted... LordoftheMorons posted... Speaking of which, one of the GOP's ideas for "tax reform" is apparently getting rid of the deduction for state/local income tax (which would again really fuck over people in most blue states). Similar incentives will be in play there for blue state GOP Reps. It's a nice incentive for blue states to get rid of their own income taxes. As long as the sales tax deduction is also abolished (since sales tax is worse than income tax). "All of these big government programs are federal overreach. Things should be left to the states!" "Also here's a huge financial disincentive to have high state/local taxes to actually implement any of those programs" --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:886863526] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>Speaking of which, one of the GOP's ideas for "tax reform" is apparently getting rid of the deduction for state/local income tax (which would again really fuck over people in most blue states). Similar incentives will be in play there for blue state GOP Reps.</quote> It's a nice incentive for blue states to get rid of their own income taxes. As long as the sales tax deduction is also abolished (since sales tax is worse than income tax).</quote> "All of these big government programs are federal overreach. Things should be left to the states!" "Also here's a huge financial disincentive to have high state/local taxes to actually implement any of those programs"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaRRicH 09/19/17 12:06:39 AM #314:	I'm okay saying Donald Trump was wiretapped if you're okay with his calls to tapped suspects getting recorded. The semantics matter, and yet they're also beside the point that Donald and friends are leaving a trail of illegal evidence behind them. You're not against investigations and national security, are you? And slick job trying to compare the relationship between one's mother and campaign manager. --- Brought to you by GameFlux Free GameFAQs app on Google Play! <cite>HaRRicH posted [p:886864566] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>I'm okay saying Donald Trump was wiretapped if you're okay with his calls to tapped suspects getting recorded. The semantics matter, and yet they're also beside the point that Donald and friends are leaving a trail of illegal evidence behind them. You're not against investigations and national security, are you? And slick job trying to compare the relationship between one's mother and campaign manager.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UltiXX 09/19/17 12:28:22 AM #315:	https://twitter.com/markdice/status/909995771470028800 Called it. Told you so. Vindicated. Yet another thing I was ahead of the curve on. As usual, Ulti Was Right. How DOES one man fly all these Ws? When in doubt, just blame Russia! <cite>UltiXX posted [p:886865482] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/markdice/status/909995771470028800 Called it. Told you so. Vindicated. Yet another thing I was ahead of the curve on. As usual, Ulti Was Right. How DOES one man fly all these Ws? When in doubt, just blame Russia!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaRRicH 09/19/17 12:29:52 AM #316:	https://twitter.com/_chloi/status/909643713298567168 rich liberals aren't your friends, mainstream media celebrities aren't your friends, these people believe in nothing and stand for nothing. https://t.co/eL40gZUTtw Hollywood's a weird place, and also so are the other places in America...but let's pull a 2016 and judge others instead of reflecting within ourselves. --- Posted using GameFlux Get it now for Android from Google Play! <cite>HaRRicH posted [p:886865552] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/_chloi/status/909643713298567168 rich liberals aren't your friends, mainstream media celebrities aren't your friends, these people believe in nothing and stand for nothing. https://t.co/eL40gZUTtw Hollywood's a weird place, and also so are the other places in America...but let's pull a 2016 and judge others instead of reflecting within ourselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UltiXX 09/19/17 12:32:47 AM #317:	LordoftheMorons posted... Trump's tweet is wrong regardless. Obama had nothing to do with the Manafort wiretap. He did not direct it, and it had nothing to do with Manafort being Trump's campaign manager. "Trump was right about being wiretapped but I have to play liberal mental gymnastics instead of ever admitting I'm wrong." All the clowns who spent months trashing the president over the wire tapping claim got absolutely punked. It's not like the president could EVER have inside knowledge of spying or anything. The New York Times reported around the inauguration that a lot of their information came from wire tapping, and they scrubbed the story. Which I mentioned when this all came up originally, and was treated with the usual BS. Turns out I was right. Again. And no, it never gets old. <cite>UltiXX posted [p:886865688] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>Trump's tweet is wrong regardless. Obama had nothing to do with the Manafort wiretap. He did not direct it, and it had nothing to do with Manafort being Trump's campaign manager.</quote> "Trump was right about being wiretapped but I have to play liberal mental gymnastics instead of ever admitting I'm wrong." All the clowns who spent months trashing the president over the wire tapping claim got absolutely punked. It's not like the president could EVER have inside knowledge of spying or anything. The New York Times reported around the inauguration that a lot of their information came from wire tapping, and they scrubbed the story. Which I mentioned when this all came up originally, and was treated with the usual BS. Turns out I was right. Again. And no, it never gets old.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/19/17 12:35:11 AM #318:	HaRRicH posted... https://twitter.com/_chloi/status/909643713298567168 rich liberals aren't your friends, mainstream media celebrities aren't your friends, these people believe in nothing and stand for nothing. https://t.co/eL40gZUTtw Hollywood's a weird place, and also so are the other places in America...but let's pull a 2016 and judge others instead of reflecting within ourselves. It's true though. All those shows "resisting" Trump also enabled and supported his rise to power --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886865792] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>HaRRicH posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/_chloi/status/909643713298567168 rich liberals aren't your friends, mainstream media celebrities aren't your friends, these people believe in nothing and stand for nothing. https://t.co/eL40gZUTtw Hollywood's a weird place, and also so are the other places in America...but let's pull a 2016 and judge others instead of reflecting within ourselves.</quote> It's true though. All those shows "resisting" Trump also enabled and supported his rise to power</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UltiXX 09/19/17 12:35:45 AM #319:	Jakyl25 posted... HaRRicH posted... https://twitter.com/_chloi/status/909643713298567168 rich liberals aren't your friends, mainstream media celebrities aren't your friends, these people believe in nothing and stand for nothing. https://t.co/eL40gZUTtw Hollywood's a weird place, and also so are the other places in America...but let's pull a 2016 and judge others instead of reflecting within ourselves. It's true though. All those shows "resisting" Trump also enabled and supported his rise to power Even Jak agrees with me. <cite>UltiXX posted [p:886865814] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HaRRicH posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/_chloi/status/909643713298567168 rich liberals aren't your friends, mainstream media celebrities aren't your friends, these people believe in nothing and stand for nothing. https://t.co/eL40gZUTtw Hollywood's a weird place, and also so are the other places in America...but let's pull a 2016 and judge others instead of reflecting within ourselves.</quote> It's true though. All those shows "resisting" Trump also enabled and supported his rise to power</quote> Even Jak agrees with me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/19/17 12:39:36 AM #320:	Let the record show that any agreement with Ulti is purely accidental --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886865971] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>Let the record show that any agreement with Ulti is purely accidental</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 09/19/17 12:41:23 AM #321:	Sorry Jakyl, but you've succumbed to the disease. I'm afraid you'll have to be quarantined. --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:886866034] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>Sorry Jakyl, but you've succumbed to the disease. I'm afraid you'll have to be quarantined.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/19/17 12:43:03 AM #322:	I told you all I was a bad person. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886866093] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>I told you all I was a bad person.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 09/19/17 12:44:36 AM #323:	Politics subcontainment: Ulti and Jakyl's MAGA bunker --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:886866163] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote>Politics subcontainment: Ulti and Jakyl's MAGA bunker</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 09/19/17 12:47:16 AM #324:	UltiXX posted... https://twitter.com/markdice/status/909995771470028800 Called it. Told you so. Vindicated. Yet another thing I was ahead of the curve on. As usual, Ulti Was Right. How DOES one man fly all these Ws? When in doubt, just blame Russia! stop posting links without actually reading them --- http://i.imgur.com/U7qSWmn.jpg something something hung something horse something <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:886866257] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>UltiXX posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/markdice/status/909995771470028800 Called it. Told you so. Vindicated. Yet another thing I was ahead of the curve on. As usual, Ulti Was Right. How DOES one man fly all these Ws? When in doubt, just blame Russia!</quote> stop posting links without actually reading them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/19/17 12:57:02 AM #325:	LordoftheMorons posted... Politics subcontainment: Ulti and Jakyl's MAGA bunker One of us isn't leaving alive --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886866636] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>Politics subcontainment: Ulti and Jakyl's MAGA bunker</quote> One of us isn't leaving alive</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/19/17 12:57:42 AM #326:	CelesMyUserName posted... UltiXX posted... https://twitter.com/markdice/status/909995771470028800 Called it. Told you so. Vindicated. Yet another thing I was ahead of the curve on. As usual, Ulti Was Right. How DOES one man fly all these Ws? When in doubt, just blame Russia! stop posting links without actually reading them To be fair, Dark Mice does mean to imply the same irrational conclusion Ulti does --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886866664] in Politics C... [t:75778079]...</cite> <quote><cite>CelesMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UltiXX posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/markdice/status/909995771470028800 Called it. Told you so. Vindicated. Yet another thing I was ahead of the curve on. As usual, Ulti Was Right. How DOES one man fly all these Ws? When in doubt, just blame Russia!</quote> stop posting links without actually reading them</quote> To be fair, Dark Mice does mean to imply the same irrational conclusion Ulti does</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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