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Very_Unreliable
09/20/17 8:16:59 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
If you would look out of place in Alfed's England, then you aren't English, you might be British. Sorry. I don't mind of people disagree with me. But the amount of undue vitriol is kind of indicative of some insecurity.


Are you really going to use over a milenia ago as the reference point rather than what's actually happened in the past 200 years? Really.

Tell you something. If you look out of place in today's England, then you aren't English. But take a fucking walk around London and note that every 4th or 5th person is black. And they're not exactly speaking in tongues.

@Parappa09 you hearing this shit, lmao

Yeah I'm using that marker because that's kind of when the English ethnicity became a thing... Sorry man.
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pinky0926
09/20/17 8:17:06 AM
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Fam_Fam posted...
the people asking about how many generations it takes are missing the point that its skin color, not time that makes the difference for many people. A Black person can't be English, because English people are white, duh


This is 100% the problem. And so you'll get people who'll chant "Go home, we don't want you lot here, this is England!" to someone who is home.
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Very_Unreliable
09/20/17 8:19:06 AM
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This hatred for my opinion comes with not wanting to be associated with "tacky" (this is not how I feel) English working class white people because they are made out to be the most detestable group by the media, similar to the American southerner.
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pinky0926
09/20/17 8:21:56 AM
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Very_Unreliable posted...
Yeah I'm using that marker because that's kind of when the English ethnicity became a thing... Sorry man.


ethno-race is just one classification of ethnicity and does encompass everything that ethnicity is.

In fact mostly ethnicity is not about that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group


An ethnic group, or an ethnicity, is a category of people who identify with each other based on similarities such as common ancestry, language, society, culture or nation.[1][2] Ethnicity is often an inherited status based on the society in which one lives. Membership of an ethnic group tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language or dialect, symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art, and physical appearance.

Depending on which source of group identity is emphasized to define membership, the following types of (often mutually overlapping) groups can be identified:

Ethno-linguistic, emphasizing shared language, dialect (and possibly script) – example: French Canadians
Ethno-national, emphasizing a shared polity or sense of national identity – example: Armenians
Ethno-racial, emphasizing shared physical appearance based on genetic origins – example: African Americans
Ethno-regional, emphasizing a distinct local sense of belonging stemming from relative geographic isolation – example: South Islanders
Ethno-religious, emphasizing shared affiliation with a particular religion, denomination or sect – example: Jews
In many cases – for instance, the sense of Jewish peoplehood – more than one aspect determines membership.

Can you appreciate that there is overlap here? I think someone who has more in common with England based on these factors than they do with Jamaica can call themselves English.
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pinky0926
09/20/17 8:24:09 AM
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Very_Unreliable posted...
This hatred for my opinion comes with not wanting to be associated with "tacky" (this is not how I feel) English working class white people because they are made out to be the most detestable group by the media, similar to the American southerner.


No, it comes from not wanting to be dismissive of people who are more english than I am just because their great great great grandfathers emigrated from jamaica's British colony.
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Very_Unreliable
09/20/17 8:27:17 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
Yeah I'm using that marker because that's kind of when the English ethnicity became a thing... Sorry man.


ethno-race is just one classification of ethnicity and does encompass everything that ethnicity is.

In fact mostly ethnicity is not about that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group


An ethnic group, or an ethnicity, is a category of people who identify with each other based on similarities such as common ancestry, language, society, culture or nation.[1][2] Ethnicity is often an inherited status based on the society in which one lives. Membership of an ethnic group tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language or dialect, symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art, and physical appearance.

Depending on which source of group identity is emphasized to define membership, the following types of (often mutually overlapping) groups can be identified:

Ethno-linguistic, emphasizing shared language, dialect (and possibly script) – example: French Canadians
Ethno-national, emphasizing a shared polity or sense of national identity – example: Armenians
Ethno-racial, emphasizing shared physical appearance based on genetic origins – example: African Americans
Ethno-regional, emphasizing a distinct local sense of belonging stemming from relative geographic isolation – example: South Islanders
Ethno-religious, emphasizing shared affiliation with a particular religion, denomination or sect – example: Jews
In many cases – for instance, the sense of Jewish peoplehood – more than one aspect determines membership.

Can you appreciate that there is overlap here? I think someone who has more in common with England based on these factors than they do with Jamaica can call themselves English.


No because they can use the term British, they can use the national term. Because for example; someone born in the cajun south of the USA, but parents are from wherever, let's say Italy; they would be American, yeah they would be American, not Cajun. England is not the nation state, the UK is, and the ethnonym for people born within its borders is "British".
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Anarchy_Juiblex
09/20/17 8:28:26 AM
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VU, you at least recognize that you're line of rhetoric has historically be used to brand minorities and "migrants" as other and less worthy of the same rights as the rest of the population, right? That's* why people are getting defensive.

While you personally might be using more nuance; saying "they're not English" is saying "they're not citizens" is saying "they don't deserve rights" is saying "fuck these people".
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Very_Unreliable
09/20/17 8:31:27 AM
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I don't care what dumb people do or say, and neither should any people, if I'm hated by stupid people, then I'm doing something right and I'm fine with it. No one needs to be thrown out, I just want to facilitate the ability to identify people appropriately and not leave anyone without an identity. English is an identity that is being purposefully obfuscated in the name of political correctness and benevolent propriety/guilt, and it is NOT racist to say so.
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LordRazziel
09/20/17 8:31:42 AM
#64:


Bloodychess posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...
TrumpTrain posted...
This is why Brits voted for Brexit.

Even when leftist media sweeps politically incorrect news and facts under the rug, people eventually wake up to reality and fight back for self-preservation.

It's an insidious brand of xenophobia your kind likes to spread, and you will be defeated in the end.

Also defending this

Are people defending Nazis, when they say violence is wrong?
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pinky0926
09/20/17 8:31:58 AM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
VU, you at least recognize that you're line of rhetoric has historically be used to brand minorities and "migrants" as other and less worthy of the same rights as the rest of the population, right? That's* why people are getting defensive.

While you personally might be using more nuance; saying "they're not English" is saying "they're not citizens" is saying "they don't deserve rights" is saying "fuck these people".


This is what it comes down to for me. Maybe you're just getting caught up in nomenclature VU and you have no particular agenda here, but when you tell someone "sorry, you're not English", well that just sounds like a fucked up thing to say to someone who considers themselves English because they were born and raised here and have never considered themselves anything else.

It should be noted that ethnicity is not considered a black and white issue, even among academics.
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Very_Unreliable
09/20/17 8:33:32 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
VU, you at least recognize that you're line of rhetoric has historically be used to brand minorities and "migrants" as other and less worthy of the same rights as the rest of the population, right? That's* why people are getting defensive.

While you personally might be using more nuance; saying "they're not English" is saying "they're not citizens" is saying "they don't deserve rights" is saying "fuck these people".


This is what it comes down to for me. Maybe you're just getting caught up in nomenclature VU and you have no particular agenda here, but when you tell someone "sorry, you're not English", well that just sounds like a fucked up thing to say to someone who considers themselves English.

It should be noted that ethnicity is not considered a black and white issue, even among academics.

I don't care what anyone calls themselves. But I reserve the right to believe they are wrong.
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Marmitecashews
09/20/17 8:34:59 AM
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Very_Unreliable posted...
I don't care what dumb people do or say, and neither should any people, if I'm hated by stupid people, then I'm doing something right and I'm fine with it. No one needs to be thrown out, I just want to facilitate the ability to identify people appropriately and not leave anyone without an identity. English is an identity that is being purposefully obfuscated in the name of political correctness and benevolent propriety/guilt, and it is NOT racist to say so.

That's not how being hated by stupid people works, you can be hated by stupid people and doing something wrong.
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DevsBro
09/20/17 8:36:04 AM
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A black guy with a mustache should be easy to find in London.

How many black guys wear mustaches? Most of the black guys I know are either clean shaven or rocking the Amish beard.
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Oatcakes
09/20/17 12:06:23 PM
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Very_Unreliable posted...
pinky0926 posted...
Very_Unreliable posted...
Nah, they aren't English, sorry. :/ English as in, people from England w Anglo-Saxon/Britton ancestry.

Sorry mate.

You can call him British... If you want, that's sort of a catch-all. But I'm sorry they're not English.


Jesus Christ is it possible to be this racist.

If you're a 6th generation english-born person you are fucking English. Your parents, your parents parents and your parents parents parents all were born in and lived in england their entire lives. If you go back far enough yourself I'm sure you'll find that your bloodline is not as pure as you think either.


Let me ask you, if someone 6 generations in India, but all of his ancestry is of English descent... Raised and educated as if he were English? Is he now Indian and no longer English?


He can be both.

How is this so hard for you?
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Nepsy
09/20/17 12:22:26 PM
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Malfurion posted...
ImPickleRick posted...
I don't even have to click to know a minority did this.

Ditto

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EvoTech
09/20/17 12:50:12 PM
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And they wonder why Brexit is going to happen
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Funkydog
09/20/17 12:51:30 PM
#72:


EvoTech posted...
And they wonder why Brexit is going to happen

I forgot no (white) British person has ever raped someone.
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DreadedWave
09/20/17 12:53:44 PM
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A story about a horrible crime.

Time to barf my politics all over the topic!
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Bloodychess
09/20/17 3:40:49 PM
#74:


Glass_Phantom posted...
Bloodychess posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...
TrumpTrain posted...
This is why Brits voted for Brexit.

Even when leftist media sweeps politically incorrect news and facts under the rug, people eventually wake up to reality and fight back for self-preservation.

It's an insidious brand of xenophobia your kind likes to spread, and you will be defeated in the end.

Also defending this

If by "defending this" you mean I'm against skinhead xenophobia, then yes.

That's a monstrous mislabel of what you replied to. You're more occupied with scolding some guy for making a valid connection to how Brexit could have happened, and less with the actual story.

Priorities.
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mortimerjames
09/20/17 4:00:00 PM
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well everyone agrees this is bad so whats the debate here? the only thing left is blaming this for brexit
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JE19426
09/20/17 4:44:30 PM
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Bloodychess posted...
You're more occupied with scolding some guy for making a valid connection to how Brexit could have happened


How on Earth is it a valid connection to Brexit happening?
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ThunderMuffin
09/20/17 4:44:45 PM
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whyytt
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Oatcakes
09/21/17 7:12:56 AM
#78:


EvoTech posted...
And they wonder why Brexit is going to happen


Again, Brexit doesn't stop non-EU migration, this has always been something the UK has had the power to do.

Stop commenting on things you have no idea about or at least look past newspaper headlines.
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Newhopes
09/21/17 7:32:23 AM
#79:


unpleasant_milk posted...
After the Rotherham Pakistani child grooming gang outrage, I wonder if the vile scum who did this is indiginous to the UK.


Wasn't just Rotherham most of the major UK cities have had migrant gangs grooming kids it's just ignored by the PC left.
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snakes_righteye
09/23/17 3:09:43 AM
#81:


ArmieBuff posted...
"Police have issued a picture of a man they would like to speak to over the attack"
You should probably do more than speak to a suspected rapist


American cops would have killed him already, and people would be rioting because the cop didn't get charged with a crime.
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JE19426
09/23/17 3:16:22 AM
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ArmieBuff posted...
"Police have issued a picture of a man they would like to speak to over the attack"
You should probably do more than speak to a suspected rapist


Like what?
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GiftedACIII
09/25/17 3:40:32 AM
#83:


JE19426 posted...
ArmieBuff posted...
"Police have issued a picture of a man they would like to speak to over the attack"
You should probably do more than speak to a suspected rapist


Like what?

Like arresting them, presumably.
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JE19426
09/25/17 6:23:53 PM
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GiftedACIII posted...

Like arresting them, presumably.


The police need a decent amount of evidence to arrest people.
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PiOverlord
09/25/17 6:37:14 PM
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Brexit was good for the UK because Germany is trying to use the EU to control other countries. Based on how their censorship is, Germany is not fit to have such power.
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Very_Unreliable
09/25/17 10:55:31 PM
#87:


Funkydog posted...
EvoTech posted...
And they wonder why Brexit is going to happen

I forgot no (white) British person has ever raped someone.

It's infinitesimal when compared with... well.
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JE19426
09/25/17 11:39:09 PM
#88:


Very_Unreliable posted...

It's infinitesimal when compared with... well.


Well what?
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Axiom
09/25/17 11:42:13 PM
#89:


ImAMarvel posted...
Whose alt is Very_Unreliable's?

Jesus christ, this is some of the most racist shit I've seen on CE in a while.

These topics are fucking magnets for racist shit. The first few posts that I guess got deleted were racist as hell and proclaiming how they knew it would be a minority
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Kamiccolohan
09/27/17 8:13:15 PM
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gee, I wonder what group could have been behind this...

Reminder, this is a direct result of liberal rule.
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spikethedevil
09/27/17 8:14:31 PM
#92:


AmonAmarth posted...
TrumpTrain posted...
This is why Brits voted for Brexit.

Even when leftist media sweeps politically incorrect news and facts under the rug, people eventually wake up to reality and fight back for self-preservation.


We haven't left yet /facepalm @AmonAmarth

it was a good thing they left.
pound is improving value now. less bs from eu.
hopefully they can close the borders and reduce the terrorism and rape soon.

AmonAmarth posted...
TrumpTrain posted...
This is why Brits voted for Brexit.

Even when leftist media sweeps politically incorrect news and facts under the rug, people eventually wake up to reality and fight back for self-preservation.


it was a good thing they left.
pound is improving value now. less bs from eu.
hopefully they can close the borders and reduce the terrorism and rape soon.


We haven't left yet @AmonAmarth
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spikethedevil
09/27/17 8:15:27 PM
#93:


Kamiccolohan posted...
gee, I wonder what group could have been behind this...

Reminder, this is a direct result of liberal rule.


Er our ruling party is right wing /facepalm @Kamiccolohan
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Kamiccolohan
09/27/17 8:18:00 PM
#94:


spikethedevil posted...
Kamiccolohan posted...
gee, I wonder what group could have been behind this...

Reminder, this is a direct result of liberal rule.


Er our ruling party is right wing /facepalm @Kamiccolohan


Implying that means anything...
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spikethedevil
09/27/17 8:24:40 PM
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Apparently it does to you.

Wish people not from the UK would at least try to fact check before posting about stuff they have no idea about.
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Marmitecashews
09/28/17 2:22:13 PM
#96:


Kamiccolohan posted...
gee, I wonder what group could have been behind this...

Reminder, this is a direct result of liberal rule.

We are ruled by conservatives, not liberals.
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refmon
09/28/17 2:27:01 PM
#97:


TrumpTrain posted...
This is why Brits voted for Brexit.

Even when leftist media sweeps politically incorrect news and facts under the rug, people eventually wake up to reality and fight back for self-preservation.

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Very_Unreliable
09/28/17 2:32:53 PM
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Tories aren't right wing. "Center-right" in Britain is far left in reality.
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SSMajinVegeta2
09/28/17 2:35:05 PM
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Disgusting. He deserves to be killed in broad daylight too
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spikethedevil
09/28/17 3:05:25 PM
#100:


Very_Unreliable posted...
Tories aren't right wing. "Center-right" in Britain is far left in reality.


The Tories are right wing though yes our right wing would be considered left wing in the US but that's just due to how conservative the US is in general.
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