Board 8 > Hypothetical Mercs Topic Season 2: Yes, We're Still Doing TV/Movies

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Like as of now I think Archer just wrecks every 3/week tv/film merc we have, with the only ones that potentially have a chance being Harry Hart (who's also possibly a 4) and the Demogorgon (who Archer could kill easily but who can pull weird alternate dimension shenanigans

The closest beyond that is The Punisher, who I think should probably be the upper-limit cut off for 3/week gunners, and in a 1v1, I think Archer definitely takes him
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Johnbobb posted...

ok but if you think Max Payne is basically a 4 but with mundane gear and Archer is comparable to Max Payne but with better gear (current build is Walther PPK, an M-16, a Walther WA2000 Sniper Rifle, a Grappling Gun, Night-Vision Goggles, a Compound Bow, Barrett .50 Cal, RPG-7, three Mk2 Hand Grenades and his emergency Underwear Gun) then wouldn't that make Archer a 4?

That's all mundane gear though. Max's arsenal includes a sniper rifle, multiple assault rifles, an autoshotgun, a ton of pistols of all kinds, nades, molotovs...like the only things he's missing are the grappling gun and nightvision. The thing is that he doesn't have true hi-tech equipment like invisibility, power armor or energy weaponry. If he did he'd be an easy 4. Same for Archer. That's what I mean by something that isn't mundane gear, shit you couldn't feasibly have today IRL.
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Basically ask yourself this - what would you put Spiderman as seen in Spiderman Homecoming at? 4/week? And would you take Archer to beat him? Because I wouldn't and I think he's a 4. That's a very clean win for a rookie Peter, too, so...3/week top-end for Archer sounds right.
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I haven't seen Spider-Man Homecoming

So what's your idea for a 4/week gunner then? Planning on a Wesley build for Wanted (who comes with a sniper rifle that can "pierce through any object," travel for miles, and also curve in mid-air because "logic"
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Johnbobb posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

You forgot the Terminator for a 5

And not knowing Archer very well I'd say no because I would take him to get fuckin moshed by Max Payne and he's my top end for 3 gunners

what

Archer kills Max Payne from a mile away, probably while drunk

You really have no idea of Max's best feats do you

There's a section of MP1 where you have to fight 30 guys, coming at you from all sides, with no cover, while grenade launchers are raining blasts on you, and you have no healing unless you brought some from past levels. Completely mandatory too. You win that and then go on to slaughter like a hundred more dudes afterward, canonically in the span of something like 30 minutes tops (while also shooting down hair thin cables in the middle of a record breaking snowstorm while under time pressure). Then there's the whole thing where he tanks getting shot at multiple times across a single night, having his head smashed by a baseball bat repeatedly, getting sent flying by explosions multiple times and I forget what else. His feats are so dumb the only reason he's not a 4 is he has completely mundane gear.

This is basically what Matrix does at the end of Commando, just saying
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So let's tinker with Michael. Making him a Superhuman (the later movies spell out that he's operating under some kind of magic), couple of ability upgrades, new terrain since he's much meaner if you can't fight him out in the open

Michael Myers (Halloween)
Villainous Male Superhuman
2/week

Michael Myers is as he appears in the non-reboot Halloween series carrying a butcher knife.

Abilities

The Devil's Eyes (Trigger) - Michael is evil enough that any attempts to reform him don't go well. If any merc attempts to alter Michael's alignment via ability, not only will it fail to change his alignment but that merc's alignment will change to Villainous for the week. Stare into the abyss and all that.

The Shape (Trigger) - In any given match in which an opposing female merc and Michael are rostered, roll post-rosters for one of the opposing women. Michael will somehow be convinced that she is his sister and must die, though anyone else who gets in the way on the other team is fair game. In addition Michael will always be aware of where that merc is during the week's fight, his stalking game is just that good.

Upgrades

Ability Upgrade:

Michael further ups his stalker game. In any given match where The Shape goes off, Michael will find a way to preemptively cut the other team's phone lines. They will go in that week without any sort of pre-battle plan.

Ability Upgrade

For two week's recharge, Michael may declare The Devil's Eyes as a Start of Battle. Michael may preselect an enemy, then in addition to the listed effects, the targeted merc will fight that week convinced that Michael can be reasoned with and that killing him should be a last resort, regardless of personality traits. They are wrong, but can't be convinced of that by any means.

Terrain

The Wallace House - The house as seen in the final confrontation of Halloween. No one may leave.
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I made a Vader merc.

Darth Vader
Villainous Human
6/week

Darth Vader is as he appears in Star Wars episodes IV-VI, Rogue One, and Star Wars Rebels, wielding his signature red lightsaber, and with access to all force powers he uses in those sources.

Terrain: Darth Vader's Castle. The dark, foreboding castle on the volcanic world Mustafar, as seen in Rogue One. None of the guards or other staff are present during the battle.

We'll have to destroy them ship to ship.(Pre-battle) Once every six weeks, Vader may show off another side of his famed combat skills and come to battle piloting his personal TIE Advance fighter as seen in Star Wars Episode IV A New Hope.

UPGRADES

(Ability upgrade, 20 EXP)

Reduce the cooldown of We'll have to destroy them ship to ship by one week, and Vader is now accompanied by two wingmen in standard TIE fighters as assists. They count as 2/week villainous humans for purpose of abilities.

(New Peacetime Ability, 20 EXP)

I am altering the deal. Pray I do not alter it any further. Once every five weeks, if an opponent has used a peacetime ability that involves them making a deal with another player, Vader will intervene to turn this to his team's advantage. Any effects of the ability that have already happened will be undone. The player who used the ability will be forced to deal with Vader's team instead. Vader's team will automatically receive the most favorable terms that are allowed by the parameters of the ability, as long as the other player is able to fulfill them. Otherwise that player must give Vader's team the most favorable terms they are able to. The original ability still goes on its normal cooldown. If the other player is completely unable to make a valid deal with Vader's team, this ability will fail and go on one week of cooldown, and the original deal will go through as bargained. This ability may be declared up to 15 minutes later than the normal deadline for peacetime abilities.

(New Start of Battle Ability, 20 EXP)

If you will not turn to the Dark Side, then perhaps she will! Vader really knows how to get inside someone's head. Once every four weeks, he will taunt a pre-selected merc on the opposing team by threatening to corrupt and/or destroy that which is most dear to them. The targetted merc will fly into a berserk rage. They will ignore all pre-battle planning and focus on killing Vader above all else, though they are still clear-headed enough to engage him to the best of their ability. They will ignore all other objectives until either they or Vader are knocked out.
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redrocket_pub posted...

I made a Vader merc.

uh

http://mercsfilmandtv.pbworks.com/w/page/120680709/Darth%20Vader
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Oh, whoops.
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I like that the battle write-ups are essentially the same. We can see about working some of the abilities into the current build.

I really like "I am altering the deal." We don't have a ton of Peacetime deal abilities as of right now, but that's always subject to change, and I can definitely see adding that as a Vader ability.

Dark Side is cool but there are several mercs that already have pretty similar abilities (Shrek's "Happily Ever After," River Tam's "Sad Little King," Sandman's "Remember Ben Parker?", Mumen Rider's "It Doesn't Matter", Sing's "Fat Woman" and more that I can't think of at the moment)
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Yeah, didn't mean to step on any toes, just missed that build cause derp.
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Johnbobb posted...

I haven't seen Spider-Man Homecoming

So what's your idea for a 4/week gunner then? Planning on a Wesley build for Wanted (who comes with a sniper rifle that can "pierce through any object," travel for miles, and also curve in mid-air because "logic"

Boba Fett probably (assuming no Slave 1). Maybe Smith from Shoot 'Em Up (though he could also be a top-class 3, he's basically a better Archer). Wesley is a maybe. Robocop is a good 4. Maybe Zorg from Fifth Element. Blade if you want to count him. Cyclops as seen in the movies, probably.

EDIT: Violet from Ultraviolet is a 4 I think. John Preston from Equilbrium probably the strongest 3/week gunner (the difference superpowers make, p much). Violet kinda needs her anime feats tho.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Robocop is a good 4.

Right now Robocop and Judge Dredd are both listed as 5s.

Don't know enough about Robocop to say if that's too high or not.
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I put Robocop as a 5 for durability, mainly. Dude walks through hails of gunfire and doesn't care (and this is on top of him literally being an aimbot)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBccZfvPXFc&t=1m25s
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so like Luke Cage but with a super-accurate gun?

I can see the 5 argument
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characters we have now that I'd consider "gunners"

2/week
Dr. Horrible
Indiana Jones
Sam and Dean Winchester

3/week
Ash Williams
Dominic Toretto
ED-209
Harry Hart
Joe
John Matrix
John McClane
John Rambo
John Wick
Legolas
Max
Revy and Rock
Rick Grimes
Sterling Archer
The Joker
The Punisher

4/week
Eric Draven
EVE
Power Rangers

5/week
Deadpool
Judge Dredd
Predator
Robocop
T-800

6/week
Genos
Neo
Rick Sanchez
Stitch
Wikus van de Merwe
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The problem is that Robo doesn't have the damage to hurt people on his tier. Robocop vs the Terminator is a fight Arnie would never lose and he's not exactly the Sora of Moviemercs (same for Robocop vs Predator I think). Robocop is more comparable to Doomguy - somebody who's tanky, except where Doomguy is also fast and deepsy, Robocop is super precise (but not super damaging) and extra beefy.
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whoops accidentally listed Juggernaut as a gunner
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Robocop gets the Cobra on upgrade (same gun he uses to blow up ED-209). I reckon that would put a dent in Arnie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY89o4QFvQM&t=1m9s
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Fair. Usually though I think upgrades aren't considered into upkeep unless they're super gamechanging (Trying to think of some and failing...)? If it's part of what sets his upkeep at 5 I would give it to him at base. If not I'd make him a pricy 4 and make the upgrade relatively accessible because that makes him more attractive - because even if the power levels between normal mercs and moviemercs are different, I feel like the fact a normal solid 4/week in Doomguy is probably a good match for Robocop says something about where he should be.
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I personally think Doomguy would get rocked, just because based on stuff like the above scene, small arms aren't doing a thing to Robocop. Doomguy could hurt him if he went to his bigger stuff like the rockets, but I see that fight going more like "Doomguy tries his regular guns, regular guns bounce off. Doomguy gets shot repeatedly in the face because aimbot"
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while we're talking about classification: I had the idea to give some extra classifications to characters based on genre. Not things that would be listed in their actual write-up, but potential Tags that could allow for more abilities targeting specific groups of mercs. The major ones I was thinking:

Characters originating from comics
Beast Boy
Colossus
Daredevil
Deadpool
Eric Draven
General Zod
Harley Quinn
Iceman
Judge Dredd
Juggernaut
King Leonidas
Loki
Luke Cage
Olivia Moore
Quicksilver
Raven
Rick Grimes
Sandman
Scott Pilgrim
Static
The Cape
The Joker
The Maxx
The Punisher
Thor
Todd Ingram
Wilson Fisk
Wolverine

Anime
Arataka Reigen
Blue Eyes White Dragon
Dark Magician
DIO
Eren Yeager
Genos
Guts
Joey Wheeler
Joseph Joestar
Lil' Slugger
Lucy (Elfen Lied)
Mikasa Ackerman
Mr. Satan
Mumen Rider
Natsuki Subaru
Puri-Puri Prisoner
Revy and Rock
Rika Furude
Sasuke Uchiha
Seto Kaiba
Usopp
Walter von Schenkopp
Yoshikage Kira
Yugi Mutou

Horror
Ash Williams
Bruce
Carrie White
Chucky
Cujo
Darkman?
Demogorgon
El Blanco
Eric Draven?
Erin
Ghostface
Guts?
Hannibal Lecter
Happy Toyz Truck
Jacob Goodnight
Jason Voorhees
Jobe
Lil' Slugger?
Mr. Babadook
Nix?
Patrick Bateman
Paul Serone
Pinhead
Predator
Randall Flagg
Samara Morgan
The Birds
The Blair Witch
The Cloverfield Monster
The Creeper
The Facility Monsters
The Thing
Xenomorph
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Amusingly we also already have an example of Robocop vs T-800, at least in comic form

http://www.therobotspajamas.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/terminator-vs-robocop-e1436484894240.jpg

http://images.tcj.com/2011/07/robocopterminator650.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/37068/1152523-robocop_v_terminator_final.jpg
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Looking at that list of gunners, maybe Dom should be a 2? Comparing him to say, Rick, obviously Dom is stronger and a more capable fighter than him but Rick gets bring in an assist while Dom's assists only come during high tier ( and mid tier on upgrade) matches. Dom is somewhat superhuman of course, but I'm not sure how that shakes out as far as him being a 3.
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Kind of sad we got no real read on Rick or Daryl's worth because Hulk Hogan vs Blair Witch was gobbling all the attention in that match
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DeathChicken posted...

Amusingly we also already have an example of Robocop vs T-800, at least in comic form

http://www.therobotspajamas.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/terminator-vs-robocop-e1436484894240.jpg

http://images.tcj.com/2011/07/robocopterminator650.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/37068/1152523-robocop_v_terminator_final.jpg

I'd take that with a grain of salt because whether Robocop beats the Terminator or viceversa depends entirely on whether Arnie is good or bad at that point. When the Terminator is good (and thus has plot armor), he wins, which is why I'm inclined to think it smashes Robocop - if both have a level playing field as far as authorial importance goes, victory goes to the full robit.
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Dom is a 3 because he comes in his car
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Then Sam and Dean should be a 3 because they come with a car.

I mean, looking at this list they should probably be a 3 anyway
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DeathChicken posted...

Kind of sad we got no real read on Rick or Daryl's worth because Hulk Hogan vs Blair Witch was gobbling all the attention in that match

Feel the same way about Po, but we can always eventually run more exhibition matches
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I feel like most terrains won't be good place to drive a car around in, anyway.
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true

it's why I dropped Max from 4 to 3. A terrain that's not big enough for the war rig to really navigate makes him pretty much useless
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Yet somehow Hogan got enough credit to navigate his monster truck in a thickass forest
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not so much navigation credit but "spawn anywhere he chooses in a monster truck"

like I like Rick Grimes but I don't give him credit to survive a monster truck falling onto him
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Johnbobb posted...

whoops accidentally listed Juggernaut as a gunner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMFonmGa9VQ
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up
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Having watched the new Blade Runner, K is probably a solid 3 bordering on a 4 (the sort of gunner who just keeps getting beaten and shot and blown up and somehow keeps being relatively okay)

Deckard meanwhile is probably like a 2 but should be a 5 on awesome
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So I've polled all my friends and every single one says Archer beats Harry Hart.

Do with that what you will.
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bump
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Just watched Spider-Man: Homecoming

Are you talking super-suit Peter or homemade-suit Peter? Homemade suit I think potentially loses to someone like Archer, though not completely sure. Super-suit is probably a good win for Peter, but I'm not entirely sure he'd be a 4. The equipment in the suit I think qualifies him as a 5, though his skill is what drops him down. Although by the end his skill seems to have improved but he doesn't have the super-suit so it's hard to say what he'd be in the end. I think a Spider-Man with the experience of, say, the Raimi trilogy is potentially a low 5 without any tech

I think that by the SM:H sequel Peter will definitely be 5-worthy

So where do you put Vulture?
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Well I mean as is, he gets beaten up by Shocker. Who in a nice touch was also not at all familiar with his powers
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I meant supersuit Peter, yeah. And yes, his lack of skill and practice makes him too nooby to be a 5. By contrast, Amazing Spiderman Peter would be a 5 easily.

(Vulture I'd say would probably be a low 4. Worse than Peter overall, but 'infinite flight' is a strong counter to a lot of lowbies.)
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Flight is the point where I start edging 4s into 5s as far as Moviemercs goes. Just not a lot that list of 4s can do to someone who's going to hang out in the air all day
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Low 4 for Vulture?

I'd say at least a high 4, dude was basically bulletproof
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how many players/admins we got for this?
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none yet, still in the creation phase. Got a decent handful of mercs so far (a little under 200) but quite a few need refined

I'm thinking if it ever did happen, I might be an admin (I've been mostly running the wiki, so I feel like I should?), maybe Ganon since it was his idea initially, but nothing is set so far
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#bump#

because I think this does something
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Because Suika was a fun merc

Captain Jack Sparrow
Neutral Male Human
1/week

Captain Jack Sparrow is as seen in the Pirates of the Caribbean films carrying a sword, flintlock pistol, a spyglass and his compass (currently pointing him towards nothing in particular). He is as drunk as he typically is in the movies.

Customization - Each week, Jack may choose to be accompanied by Jack the Monkey in battle. Whenever he does so, the monkey will steal an item from the customization of one random merc in the match post-rosters (rolled from both teams. If the merc has no customization, choose a random weapon from their writeup). Jack the Monkey will carry that item into battle that week, and anyone is free to take it from him if they can.

But why is the rum gone? (Start of Battle) - Every two weeks, Jack's rum may mysteriously go missing! Through nefarious means it turns out the other team has it, and as this is all Jack wants out of the current week's fight, his compass will unerringly guide him towards the enemy team. In addition, one randomly selected post-roster merc on the enemy side will battle that week completely drunk.

Ability Upgrade

Optionally the entire enemy team will share in the rum and begin the fight while drunk, although Jack will mysteriously join them in drinking at the start of the battle and make no particular effort to fight.

New Ability

"You cheated!" "Pirate." (Trigger) - Jack Sparrow did not get this far in life by playing fair. For any given ability with a random outcome that strikes his team, Jack may reroll it for a week's recharge on this ability. If he does not like that outcome, he may continue rerolling it for an additional week's recharge until he hits the result he likes. Pirate.

Terrain

The Black Pearl - A pirate vessel floating in the Caribbean. Access to the ocean is allowed.
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FFDragon posted...

#bump#

TCs only, so get Kanz to do it

... or GTM because he has special privileges
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Whoooooa

Also, food for thought: what would Jack's upkeep be at, assuming he was given a limited version of the Black Pearl Curse to keep him immortal?

EDIT: Jack probably shouldn't have that upgrade on drunkenness. 'Enemy team is permanently drunk af' is an autowin. Probably better to make it so he can preselect the drunkard or something and add a week of recharge at baseline (since Suika is full random and this hits postrosters).
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i support more JAWS-friendly terrains

Testicles JAWS on Black Pearl sounds like fun times.
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