Poll of the Day > Your stance in ABORTION

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what is your stance?

I am equal rights pro choice. fetuses don't feel pain or have consciousness so the should be able to be aborted up to the second trimester, however both the mother AND father should be able to request the abortion of the fetus....abortion is a very safe procedure so the mother aborting because the father wants should be cause controversy.....or at least allow the father to renounce child support


for the fetus to be born it must require consent from both parents

I don't know if I could handle a woman I got pregnant getting an abortion but that's my choice. I can't make that choice for someone else
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Every situation is different and nobody should be told what to do.
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I don't think a man should be able to force a woman to have an abortion, but if the woman has the right to have an abortion against the father's will, then it doesn't really seem fair. I'm not sure what the ideal situation would be though. Some people argue that a father should be able to give up his parental rights in exchange for giving up his responsibilities as well (before the birth of the child) . Not sure how I feel about that. I'm glad I don't have to worry about ever getting anyone pregnant, saves me a lot of stress of issues like this
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When in doubt flush it out.

But seriously I favor pro choice. I believe if the woman wants to get an abortion she has that right. I also believe that the man shouldn't have the right to make the woman get an abortion because as a medical procedure it can have complications. I do however believe that if the man wants to disavow the baby before the birth he should have that right instead demanding an abortion. The woman shouldn't have the ability to shackle a man by giving birth to a baby he doesn't want.
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Pro-abortion, not pro-choice: state enforced eugenics for people with severe genetic conditions.
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DrChocolate posted...

what is your stance?

Some topics and opinions are too mature for GameFAQs.
Still I'm pro choice. In general I'm for the "Girls choice, her body" mentality. Sure if a guy doesn't want a kid he should have a say in the matter but at the end of the day he got her pregnant and what happens after that is ultimately the girls choice.
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smh at these poll results
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Voted for the 3rd choice b/c I guess it's closest, but damn is it still off.

It's the woman's body. The partner can't dictate what surgical procedures she has done to it or not. So only the mother gets to decide to have an abortion or not.
But the dad should have an opt-out option where he vows to have nothing to do w/ the child and is free of any obligations to provide for or nurture it. If the mother, armed with this knowledge that she'll have to financially support the kid on her own, has a change of heart on whether to give birth or not...is her call.
It's not fair to force EITHER person into becoming a parent against their will. And it's arguably even more unfair to let one parent opt out but not the other.

The only reason society forces men to pay for children they never wanted is because the current safety net system means society would have to pay for the babies of selfish mothers who want all the joy of a child but want to pass off the financial burden to others. While we'd never simply let kids born to poor moms die, we can definitely improve the system to maximize the money actually going to the kid and eliminate any going directly to the mom. EBT cards that are monitored and can only be used to purchase children's clothing. Offering free breakfast and lunch at every school in return for eliminating food allowances to single mothers. Stuff like that. Provide enough for the kid to be ok, and let the selfish mom fend for herself.
And yes, insisting on having a kid you KNOW you can't afford and expecting strangers to pay for it is selfish, don't tell me I'm being too harsh.

I acknowledge it for what it is, convenience killing, but women definitely should be allowed to do it. Men should have the option of a "financial abortion" though, absolving them from any responsibilities at the cost of any rights they might have regarding the child.

More than anything though, it needs to be legal or it just shunts people who want abortions into unsafe methods of doing so.
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streamofthesky posted...

But the dad should have an opt-out option where he vows to have nothing to do w/ the child and is free of any obligations to provide for or nurture it.

The problem with that is if this was the case then less guys would bother with contraception as they could just say "eh so what if I got you pregnant I don't want it so not my problem". This kind of situation has a lot of variables it seems.
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Zangulus posted...

A woman has several very good options to prevent pregnancy as well.

True that.
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wwinterj25 posted...

The problem with that is if this was the case then less guys would bother with contraception as they could just say "eh so what if I got you pregnant I don't want it so not my problem".

You are right, but the current system where the mother has all the rights and decision-making abilities is no good. Especially because there are predatory women out there who specifically try to get knocked up by rich men. Considering the duration of time on which the father is on the hook, it really only makes sense to give them an opt-out beforehand.
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wwinterj25 posted...

streamofthesky posted...

But the dad should have an opt-out option where he vows to have nothing to do w/ the child and is free of any obligations to provide for or nurture it.

The problem with that is if this was the case then less guys would bother with contraception as they could just say "eh so what if I got you pregnant I don't want it so not my problem". This kind of situation has a lot of variables it seems.

Except maybe the woman would rather not go through the cost or difficulty of an abortion and thus still insists on using one? Or other methods of contraception exist, as Zangulus noted.
Really though, the fear of STD's alone should keep dudes using condoms. I'd NEVER go w/o one if sleeping with someone I hadn't already dated for a long time and knew for sure she was "clean," not even considering the pregnancy stuff.

Rasmoh posted...

You are right, but the current system where the mother has all the rights and decision-making abilities is no good.

Yeah it seems like it needs some work. If they want daddy to pay for a kid he helped create than he should be treated as a equal.
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Every child deserves a chance at life.
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wwinterj25 posted...

DrChocolate posted...

what is your stance?

Some topics and opinions are too mature for GameFAQs.
Still I'm pro choice. In general I'm for the "Girls choice, her body" mentality. Sure if a guy doesn't want a kid he should have a say in the matter but at the end of the day he got her pregnant and what happens after that is ultimately the girls choice.

@wwinterj25 I don't see the issue. Gamers an on average much more intelligent than non gamers

Love it

DrChocolate posted...

@wwinterj25 I don't see the issue. Gamers an on average much more intelligent than non gamers

Proof?

DrChocolate posted...

@wwinterj25 I don't see the issue. Gamers an on average much more intelligent than non gamers

Oh it's not the discussion that's the problem it's the trigger happy mods.
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@green dragon

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484010/Gamers-SMARTER-perform-better-school-Study-finds-link-playing-games-intelligence-children.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3021273/Do-video-games-make-SMARTER-Gamers-learn-quickly-don-t-play.html

http://www.versiondaily.com/science-gamers-are-better-and-smarter-than-non-gamers/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/playing-video-games-could-make-10564000

Turns out studies done to see if videogames hurt your brain or your development actually showed playing videogames makes people smarter

I literally could not care less about abortion, as I see no value in human life.
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Judgmenl posted...

I literally could not care less about abortion, as I see no value in human life.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/018/681/Ow_the_edge.jpg
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"Pro choice equal rights".

We are overpopulated, so kill all future babies till things settle down a bit.

Perhaps have a lottery and allow 1 out of 200 people to have a baby. They would be far more cherished at that point, but the human race would easily continue to survive.

Do that for a few hundred years or so, and things would hopefully get on track.
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wolfy42 posted...

We are overpopulated, so kill all future babies till things settle down a bit.

I think some sort of mandatory form of easily implemented birth control or reversible sterilization is a much more reasonable thing to accomplish. Implement it prior to puberty, make it so you have to prove your ability to be a parent both financially and mentally.

Most importantly though, we need to stop pumping millions of dollars into aiding countries like Africa where populations continue to explode at a staggering rate.
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The last one

PRO ABORTION NO RIGHTS - No one has children until a computer AI determines a new generation is needed, at which time all hereditary traits are produced in equal proportions just so no one can complain that the computer is racist.
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I consider it killing, and I prefer all babies to get a chance to live. if it's not wanted, there is adoption. abortion makes me sad to think about

I really don't care at all. but the world is overpopulated so I have a hard time being against it because of that.
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Zikten posted...

I consider it killing, and I prefer all babies to get a chance to live. if it's not wanted, there is adoption. abortion makes me sad to think about

Says the incel.
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wolfy42 posted...

We are overpopulated, so kill all future babies till things settle down a bit.

Perhaps have a lottery and allow 1 out of 200 people to have a baby. They would be far more cherished at that point, but the human race would easily continue to survive.

Do that for a few hundred years or so, and things would hopefully get on track.

That sounds like it could make for a pretty interesting story. Not as dramatic as like Children of Men but could focus on the attention a kid (or parents) would receive if they were in some smaller community. The community suddenly falls under the attention of everyone 'cause they are housing them. They'd have to worry about protecting the kid and ensuring that they are represented well in how he turns out. I think you'd have to, like, bump it down to a smaller chance but it could work.
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impatientperson posted...

wolfy42 posted...

We are overpopulated, so kill all future babies till things settle down a bit.

Perhaps have a lottery and allow 1 out of 200 people to have a baby. They would be far more cherished at that point, but the human race would easily continue to survive.

Do that for a few hundred years or so, and things would hopefully get on track.

That sounds like it could make for a pretty interesting story. Not as dramatic as like Children of Men but could focus on the attention a kid (or parents) would receive if they were in some smaller community. The community suddenly falls under the attention of everyone 'cause they are housing them. They'd have to worry about protecting the kid and ensuring that they are represented well in how he turns out. I think you'd have to, like, bump it down to a smaller chance but it could work.

Could especially work on a small scale like a space station or large colony ship that is traveling to a distant planet that needs to keep the population stable (so 1 child for each person who dies pretty much). It does make sense on a large planetary scale if you move into the future a bit, restrict technology from advancing much more causing a drastic lack of resources eventually. World would need to do something to prevent humanity become like locusts and turning the planet into a desolate wasteland unable to support life, and mandatory birth control/abortion with extreme limitations on new children could be one of the first steps (probably not the last though).
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Aw man it could get pretty effed up if it was allowing a baby for each death. Either the government would allow sex which I feel would be way harder to control or they would be actively... taking out the babies until allow one to be born. That'd seem pretty screwed up to make the woman carry them to term knowing they're probably gonna lose it. But I guess it'd sorta be like playing the lottery. Maybe their child gets to be the one that lives.

Just have the hospital enter each infants time of birth and then it goes through the system and they receive either the kill order or not. You'd have sorta a Willy Wonka's golden ticket kinda thing going on when the tech receives the order to let the kid live.
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impatientperson posted...

Aw man it could get pretty effed up if it was allowing a baby for each death. Either the government would allow sex which I feel would be way harder to control or they would be actively... taking out the babies until allow one to be born. That'd seem pretty screwed up to make the woman carry them to term knowing they're probably gonna lose it. But I guess it'd sorta be like playing the lottery. Maybe their child gets to be the one that lives.

Just have the hospital enter each infants time of birth and then it goes through the system and they receive either the kill order or not. You'd have sorta a Willy Wonka's golden ticket kinda thing going on when the tech receives the order to let the kid live.

If this was a movie it would be about a mom who gets the kill order and then goes on the run as a fugitive

Zikten posted...

If this was a movie it would be about a mom who gets the kill order and then goes on the run as a fugitive

Ehh i'd rather it be like a black mirror situation where it's just about the one of the kids being pampered but being unhappy about the system. Maybe meeting a kid that was smuggled out but the kid is then executed because them being friends accidentally draws attention to them.
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The more abortions the better.

Even better, more effective birth control use. The best approach to abortion is not to need them in the first place, but not everything works perfectly so sometimes a backup plan is needed.
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Zikten posted...

I consider it killing, and I prefer all babies to get a chance to live. if it's not wanted, there is adoption. abortion makes me sad to think about

Well it is killing as you're killing a fetus. Also you expect a girl to go through up to 9 months of pregnancy, deal with any health issues that may happen, risk said baby having health issues also many other things just to have a baby that she would then make a orphan? Being put into the system isn't always roses and butterflies you know. The amount of kids in the system with no home makes me feel more sad then some unborn "child" not being born.
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...Totally matters.

Finished that for you.

I picked the fourth option, solely because it takes two people to have sex. There are consequences and nature dumps this one on the woman. As long as there are no real health concerns, if the guy wants to take on the burden of raising it, that's fair.

I think abortion as a form of birth control is indicative of people being irresponsible, under normal circumstances, and I don't like it, but I don't agree with outlawing it either.
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I'm for abortion.

If a woman is raped by a stranger or by a sibling that's when an abortion comes in handy anyway

First option because otherwise you would be legalizing eugenics.

TheCyborgNinja posted...

I picked the fourth option, solely because it takes two people to have sex. There are consequences and nature dumps this one on the woman. As long as there are no real health concerns, if the guy wants to take on the burden of raising it, that's fair.

Alright I'll jump down this rabbit hole. What is a unconvicted rapist gets a girl pregnant? Should he have a say in if she keeps the baby or not?

TheCyborgNinja posted...

I think abortion as a form of birth control is indicative of people being irresponsible, under normal circumstances, and I don't like it, but I don't agree with outlawing it either.

Yeah I don't agree with using abortion as a form of contraception. I'm in the mentality of if you create a life you should deal with it. However it's still the womans choice at the end of the day.
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Sensual_T_Rex posted...

But seriously I favor pro choice. I believe if the woman wants to get an abortion she has that right. I also believe that the man shouldn't have the right to make the woman get an abortion because as a medical procedure it can have complications. I do however believe that if the man wants to disavow the baby before the birth he should have that right instead demanding an abortion. The woman shouldn't have the ability to shackle a man by giving birth to a baby he doesn't want.

This, pretty much.
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impatientperson posted...

That sounds like it could make for a pretty interesting story. Not as dramatic as like Children of Men but could focus on the attention a kid (or parents) would receive if they were in some smaller community. The community suddenly falls under the attention of everyone 'cause they are housing them. They'd have to worry about protecting the kid and ensuring that they are represented well in how he turns out. I think you'd have to, like, bump it down to a smaller chance but it could work.

How about instead of killing force adoption on people who want kids? Especially in situations where there's twins.

Master_Magnus posted...

First option because otherwise you would be legalizing eugenics.

That's not how eugenics works.
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I would never stand in an abortion, ok?

Pro choice, woman decides. Forcing someone to go through a pregnancy they don't want is both physical and psychological torture.

However, if the guy doesn't want to keep it, he should not have to pay for it for the rest of his life either, since they don't have control on it (or at least, they don't have more or less control on it than the woman did during conception).

It's hard to make a law that is fair for both sides on that one. However, with the way the law currently works, in many states and countries that have child support law, even if a boy gets abused as a kid and the abuser gets pregnant, when the kid hits 18 he'll have to pay child support. That's extreme.

wwinterj25 posted...

Well it is killing as you're killing a fetus. Also you expect a girl to go through up to 9 months of pregnancy, deal with any health issues that may happen, risk said baby having health issues also many other things just to have a baby that she would then make a orphan? Being put into the system isn't always roses and butterflies you know. The amount of kids in the system with no home makes me feel more sad then some unborn "child" not being born.

well I know from personal experience that those unwanted kids can grow up to be humans with their own feelings and thoughts. I have a very close relationship with someone who was put into an orphanage and then got adopted and grew up. they are now more successful in life than I am. so being unwanted does not mean they don't deserve life

Zikten posted...

well I know from personal experience that those unwanted kids can grow up to be humans with their own feelings and thoughts. I have a very close relationship with someone who was put into an orphanage and then got adopted and grew up. they are now more successful in life than I am. so being unwanted does not mean they don't deserve life

That's anecdotal and has no bearing on choices other people make.
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