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ThanksUglyGod 09/25/17 12:31:23 AM #102:	kayoticdreamz posted... ThanksUglyGod posted... kayoticdreamz posted... TC is right Not one Liberal in here can explain why trump is a fascist and bad Oh we do. Trump supporters just refuse to see it. No you didn't You could google "Is Donald Trump a fascist" and get dozens/hundreds of thinkpieces explaining the similarities. <cite>ThanksUglyGod posted [p:887239921] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>kayoticdreamz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThanksUglyGod posted...</cite> <quote><cite>kayoticdreamz posted...</cite> <quote>TC is right Not one Liberal in here can explain why trump is a fascist and bad</quote> Oh we do. Trump supporters just refuse to see it.</quote> No you didn't</quote> You could google "Is Donald Trump a fascist" and get dozens/hundreds of thinkpieces explaining the similarities.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/25/17 12:32:11 AM #103:	action52 posted... lol well I don't know what to tell you Mal because I remember the whole thing about him taking the article in the NYT about those black guys, You mean rapists. Who cares about their skin color? scar the 1 posted... Well the premise of the topic wasn't "let's argue", it was "serious question". And your answer was based on false premises and things that are definitively not examples of fascism But hey, if that's where you want to leave it that's fine by me, just don't complain when people point out the holes in your answer. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887239954] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>action52 posted...</cite> <quote>lol well I don't know what to tell you Mal because I remember the whole thing about him taking the article in the NYT about those black guys, </quote> You mean rapists. Who cares about their skin color? <cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>Well the premise of the topic wasn't "let's argue", it was "serious question".</quote> And your answer was based on false premises and things that are definitively not examples of fascism But hey, if that's where you want to leave it that's fine by me, just don't complain when people point out the holes in your answer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/25/17 12:34:55 AM #104:	Mal_Fet posted... And your answer was based on false premises and things that are definitively not examples of fascism Well, says you, meanwhile like I said I hold the opinion on actual authorities higher than I hold yours on this subject, so you know. :) --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:887240058] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>And your answer was based on false premises and things that are definitively not examples of fascism</quote> Well, says you, meanwhile like I said I hold the opinion on actual authorities higher than I hold yours on this subject, so you know. :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
action52 09/25/17 12:39:52 AM #106:	Mal_Fet posted... action52 posted... lol well I don't know what to tell you Mal because I remember the whole thing about him taking the article in the NYT about those black guys, You mean rapists. Who cares about their skin color? I mean the five young men who were convicted on confessions they later said they were coerced and intimidated into making by the police, and were later cleared by DNA evidence--even before another serial rapist confessed to the crime in prison and WAS confirmed by DNA evidence. Not "rapists," although skin color may be part of the reason you and Trump are so adamant about smearing them as such. By the way I know Mal will just make some bullshit denial but I am posting this so other people don't think the Central Park Five are rapists. --- i am truley sorry for your lots <cite>action52 posted [p:887240272] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>action52 posted...</cite> <quote>lol well I don't know what to tell you Mal because I remember the whole thing about him taking the article in the NYT about those black guys, </quote> You mean rapists. Who cares about their skin color?</quote> I mean the five young men who were convicted on confessions they later said they were coerced and intimidated into making by the police, and were later cleared by DNA evidence--even before another serial rapist confessed to the crime in prison and WAS confirmed by DNA evidence. Not "rapists," although skin color may be part of the reason you and Trump are so adamant about smearing them as such. By the way I know Mal will just make some bullshit denial but I am posting this so other people don't think the Central Park Five are rapists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/25/17 12:44:39 AM #107:	scar the 1 posted... Mal_Fet posted... And your answer was based on false premises and things that are definitively not examples of fascism Well, says you, meanwhile like I said I hold the opinion on actual authorities higher than I hold yours on this subject, so you know. :) Okay, so you're going to leave your answer at that and you're also going to rely on the appeal to authority fallacy. You're not exactly making your case better, you know that right? action52 posted... I mean the five young men who were convicted on confessions they later said they were coerced and intimidated into making by the police, and were later cleared by DNA evidence--even before another serial rapist confessed to the crime in prison and WAS confirmed by DNA evidence. At the time none of that was known. So how did you come to the conclusion that Donald Trump hated them because they were black and not because they confessed to gang raping a woman? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887240458] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>And your answer was based on false premises and things that are definitively not examples of fascism</quote> Well, says you, meanwhile like I said I hold the opinion on actual authorities higher than I hold yours on this subject, so you know. :)</quote> Okay, so you're going to leave your answer at that and you're also going to rely on the appeal to authority fallacy. You're not exactly making your case better, you know that right? <cite>action52 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean the five young men who were convicted on confessions they later said they were coerced and intimidated into making by the police, and were later cleared by DNA evidence--even before another serial rapist confessed to the crime in prison and WAS confirmed by DNA evidence.</quote> At the time none of that was known. So how did you come to the conclusion that Donald Trump hated them because they were black and not because they confessed to gang raping a woman?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
action52 09/25/17 12:51:03 AM #108:	Mal_Fet posted... action52 posted... I mean the five young men who were convicted on confessions they later said they were coerced and intimidated into making by the police, and were later cleared by DNA evidence--even before another serial rapist confessed to the crime in prison and WAS confirmed by DNA evidence. At the time none of that was known. So how did you come to the conclusion that Donald Trump hated them because they were black and not because they confessed to gang raping a woman? Well if he had come out after the fact, apologized, and said that he just didn't know at the time then that would be evidence of him not being racist. But instead he doubles down, refusing to admit their innocence. That makes me more inclined to believe his hatred was irrational and fueled by something like racism. But anyway you can split hairs about unrelated shit till you're blue in the face but it won't make me think I never thought Trump was racist until the 2016 election because I did and so did many of us other "leftists." --- i am truley sorry for your lots <cite>action52 posted [p:887240703] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>action52 posted... I mean the five young men who were convicted on confessions they later said they were coerced and intimidated into making by the police, and were later cleared by DNA evidence--even before another serial rapist confessed to the crime in prison and WAS confirmed by DNA evidence. At the time none of that was known. So how did you come to the conclusion that Donald Trump hated them because they were black and not because they confessed to gang raping a woman?</quote> Well if he had come out after the fact, apologized, and said that he just didn't know at the time then that would be evidence of him not being racist. But instead he doubles down, refusing to admit their innocence. That makes me more inclined to believe his hatred was irrational and fueled by something like racism. But anyway you can split hairs about unrelated shit till you're blue in the face but it won't make me think I never thought Trump was racist until the 2016 election because I did and so did many of us other "leftists."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/25/17 12:56:38 AM #109:	action52 posted... Well if he had come out after the fact, apologized, and said that he just didn't know at the time then that would be evidence of him not being racist. But instead he doubles down, refusing to admit their innocence. And you know he didn't admit fault here because he's racist? It can't just be because he never admits when he's wrong regardless of the skin color of who he's dealing with; because whenever it's in regard to black people, the ONLY logical impetus is that he just hates black people. That's the logic you're gonna go with? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887240934] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>action52 posted...</cite> <quote>Well if he had come out after the fact, apologized, and said that he just didn't know at the time then that would be evidence of him not being racist. But instead he doubles down, refusing to admit their innocence. </quote> And you know he didn't admit fault here because he's racist? It can't just be because he never admits when he's wrong regardless of the skin color of who he's dealing with; because whenever it's in regard to black people, the ONLY logical impetus is that he just hates black people. That's the logic you're gonna go with?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 09/25/17 12:58:14 AM #110:	Doom_Art posted... Intellectual dishonesty? Check Weirdly reverent defense of Trump? Check "Leftists are the REAL nazis!" Check "BUT OBAMA" Check yep this is a Mal topic alright --- http://i.imgur.com/bbRWLI8.gif https://i.imgur.com/A0BErSV.jpg <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:887240998] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Intellectual dishonesty? Check Weirdly reverent defense of Trump? Check "Leftists are the REAL nazis!" Check "BUT OBAMA" Check yep this is a Mal topic alright</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/25/17 1:10:29 AM #111:	Mal_Fet posted... you're also going to rely on the appeal to authority fallacy. You're not exactly making your case better, you know that right? So... am I supposed to not listen to historians who study fascism for a living? And when several different sources, such as my aforementioned friend, the scholar interviewed in the Slate article, the Wikipedia site, all seem to be in agreement, on what grounds should I dismiss them in favor of you, who have done nothing but undermine your own argument? You, who start a topic by seriously asking leftists if they can define fascism but then go on to say you don't care what some leftist thinks? I'm going to bed. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:887241436] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>you're also going to rely on the appeal to authority fallacy. You're not exactly making your case better, you know that right?</quote> So... am I supposed to not listen to historians who study fascism for a living? And when several different sources, such as my aforementioned friend, the scholar interviewed in the Slate article, the Wikipedia site, all seem to be in agreement, on what grounds should I dismiss them in favor of you, who have done nothing but undermine your own argument? You, who start a topic by seriously asking leftists if they can define fascism but then go on to say you don't care what some leftist thinks? I'm going to bed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/25/17 1:15:12 AM #112:	scar the 1 posted... So... am I supposed to not listen to historians who study fascism for a living? Hey, feel free to cite their explanations for why I'm wrong. Also, lol Slate --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887241586] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>So... am I supposed to not listen to historians who study fascism for a living? </quote> Hey, feel free to cite their explanations for why I'm wrong. Also, lol Slate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/25/17 2:57:03 AM #113:	Mal_Fet posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Nomadic View posted... And yet Trump hasn't sent any of them to military camps, seized their assets, or even made an intimidating military presence. because he wouldn't fucking get away with it. That's why he's frustrated and mad all the time. Do you not think he would do stuff like that if he could? No. Got evidence to support this insane delusion of yours? XD right buddy go back to infowars. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:887244496] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>And yet Trump hasn't sent any of them to military camps, seized their assets, or even made an intimidating military presence.</quote> because he wouldn't fucking get away with it. That's why he's frustrated and mad all the time. Do you not think he would do stuff like that if he could?</quote> No. Got evidence to support this insane delusion of yours?</quote> XD right buddy go back to infowars.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/25/17 2:59:07 AM #114:	Mal_Fet posted... Webmaster4531 posted... Mal_Fet posted... I guess France, the UK and Sweden are all fascist then I guess you're pro-berlin wall. The Berlin wall was built to keep people IN East Germany, not to keep West Germans out. Like how you can jump up through some platforms but then when you try to stop back down, you can't? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:887244539] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>I guess France, the UK and Sweden are all fascist then</quote> I guess you're pro-berlin wall.</quote> The Berlin wall was built to keep people IN East Germany, not to keep West Germans out.</quote> Like how you can jump up through some platforms but then when you try to stop back down, you can't?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/25/17 3:05:11 AM #115:	Mal_Fet Squidkids posted... immigrant polices in general You mean the policies that were already in place long before Trump and require we deport illegal aliens? Squidkids posted... "we are not going to ban musliams" then turns around and attempts to ban muslims A temporary travel ban from 6 countries is not a muslim ban, especially when those countries were picked by the previous president as especially dangerous and don't even comprise 1/10th of the muslim countries in the world. Squidkids posted... The NFL thing Mal_Fet posted... words are not suppression unless they're backed up with a threat, which he hasn't done. Saying "This person should be fired because they said something outrageous" is not suppression. Squidkids posted... When someone from another country is calling trump fascist basically makes you really think about it. No actually, it doesn't. "But forget the rest of the post. I don't respond to things like that." --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:887244661] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet</cite> <quote> <cite>Squidkids posted...</cite> <quote>immigrant polices in general</quote> You mean the policies that were already in place long before Trump and require we deport illegal aliens? <cite>Squidkids posted...</cite> <quote>"we are not going to ban musliams" then turns around and attempts to ban muslims</quote> A temporary travel ban from 6 countries is not a muslim ban, especially when those countries were picked by the previous president as especially dangerous and don't even comprise 1/10th of the muslim countries in the world. <cite>Squidkids posted...</cite> <quote>The NFL thing</quote> <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>words are not suppression unless they're backed up with a threat, which he hasn't done. Saying "This person should be fired because they said something outrageous" is not suppression.</quote> <cite>Squidkids posted...</cite> <quote>When someone from another country is calling trump fascist basically makes you really think about it.</quote> No actually, it doesn't.</quote> "But forget the rest of the post. I don't respond to things like that."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/25/17 10:31:37 AM #116:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Mal_Fet posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Nomadic View posted... And yet Trump hasn't sent any of them to military camps, seized their assets, or even made an intimidating military presence. because he wouldn't fucking get away with it. That's why he's frustrated and mad all the time. Do you not think he would do stuff like that if he could? No. Got evidence to support this insane delusion of yours? XD right buddy go back to infowars. All you need to do is point to one of Trump's policies that is fascist. That's it. Why can't you do that? ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Like how you can jump up through some platforms but then when you try to stop back down, you can't? When all the guns on the wall are pointed at East Germany, it means they want to keep the East Germans from getting out. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887254676] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>And yet Trump hasn't sent any of them to military camps, seized their assets, or even made an intimidating military presence.</quote> because he wouldn't fucking get away with it. That's why he's frustrated and mad all the time. Do you not think he would do stuff like that if he could?</quote> No. Got evidence to support this insane delusion of yours?</quote> XD right buddy go back to infowars.</quote> All you need to do is point to one of Trump's policies that is fascist. That's it. Why can't you do that? <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Like how you can jump up through some platforms but then when you try to stop back down, you can't?</quote> When all the guns on the wall are pointed at East Germany, it means they want to keep the East Germans from getting out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/25/17 10:37:23 AM #117:	You seem to bocce under the impression that the only way to determine if someone is fascist is through the policy they manage to push through. No one serious is calling Trump a fascist based on his policies, because he has yet to achieve anything. You know this. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:887254954] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote>You seem to bocce under the impression that the only way to determine if someone is fascist is through the policy they manage to push through. No one serious is calling Trump a fascist based on his policies, because he has yet to achieve anything. You know this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Deadpool_18 09/25/17 10:38:46 AM #118:	We know your entire trolling gimmick is pretending the sun shines out of Trump's ass. It has gotten stale. --- We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune. <cite>Deadpool_18 posted [p:887255017] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote>We know your entire trolling gimmick is pretending the sun shines out of Trump's ass. It has gotten stale.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 09/25/17 10:40:12 AM #119:	Another "Everbody will defend their position, no matter what" topic. Just skimming these topics stresses me out. I don't know how so many of do this, all the time. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:887255090] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote>Another "Everbody will defend their position, no matter what" topic. Just skimming these topics stresses me out. I don't know how so many of do this, all the time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/25/17 12:25:28 PM #120:	Mal_Fet posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Mal_Fet posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Nomadic View posted... And yet Trump hasn't sent any of them to military camps, seized their assets, or even made an intimidating military presence. because he wouldn't fucking get away with it. That's why he's frustrated and mad all the time. Do you not think he would do stuff like that if he could? No. Got evidence to support this insane delusion of yours? XD right buddy go back to infowars. All you need to do is point to one of Trump's policies that is fascist. That's it. Why can't you do that? ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Like how you can jump up through some platforms but then when you try to stop back down, you can't? When all the guns on the wall are pointed at East Germany, it means they want to keep the East Germans from getting out. I'm not the accuser. I'm just a bystander. No burden of proof is on me. Do I think trump is a fascist? My answer to that question would be a link to a shrug emoticon but I'm on phone so that would be inconvenient to do. For the 2nd part, I think it's bullshit that Germany divided east and west but Korea divided north and south. What is up with that? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:887260383] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>And yet Trump hasn't sent any of them to military camps, seized their assets, or even made an intimidating military presence.</quote> because he wouldn't fucking get away with it. That's why he's frustrated and mad all the time. Do you not think he would do stuff like that if he could?</quote> No. Got evidence to support this insane delusion of yours?</quote> XD right buddy go back to infowars.</quote> All you need to do is point to one of Trump's policies that is fascist. That's it. Why can't you do that? <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Like how you can jump up through some platforms but then when you try to stop back down, you can't?</quote> When all the guns on the wall are pointed at East Germany, it means they want to keep the East Germans from getting out.</quote> I'm not the accuser. I'm just a bystander. No burden of proof is on me. Do I think trump is a fascist? My answer to that question would be a link to a shrug emoticon but I'm on phone so that would be inconvenient to do. For the 2nd part, I think it's bullshit that Germany divided east and west but Korea divided north and south. What is up with that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/25/17 1:17:51 PM #121:	scar the 1 posted... You seem to bocce under the impression that the only way to determine if someone is fascist is through the policy they manage to push through. No one serious is calling Trump a fascist based on his policies, because he has yet to achieve anything. You know this. How about his intended policies? You've been listing them up until now, but all of a sudden your excuse is that there's no examples of him being fascist because he hasn't been able to do anything fascist yet? Let's review: Walls are not fascist. Protecting your country's border is something all countries do. The Berlin wall was constructed by the socialist German democratic republic of East germany, whom you yourself claim are inherently opposed to fascism. So which is it? Lower taxes and deregulation are not fascist. Fascism quite definitively involves greater control over industry and commerce. Travel bans are not fascist, unless you're willibg to call Obama a fascist since he did the same damn thing in 2013. Seems like all you have left as far as examples of Trump being a fascist is aesthetically similar rhetoric. Which, again, applies equally well to Obama. Now this is probably the part where you claim to have all these experts on your side that prove me wrong, yet you refuse to cite any of their work, making your claim utterly meaningless. So go ahead, appeal to authority again. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887263316] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>You seem to bocce under the impression that the only way to determine if someone is fascist is through the policy they manage to push through. No one serious is calling Trump a fascist based on his policies, because he has yet to achieve anything. You know this.</quote> How about his intended policies? You've been listing them up until now, but all of a sudden your excuse is that there's no examples of him being fascist because he hasn't been able to do anything fascist yet? Let's review: Walls are not fascist. Protecting your country's border is something all countries do. The Berlin wall was constructed by the socialist German democratic republic of East germany, whom you yourself claim are inherently opposed to fascism. So which is it? Lower taxes and deregulation are not fascist. Fascism quite definitively involves greater control over industry and commerce. Travel bans are not fascist, unless you're willibg to call Obama a fascist since he did the same damn thing in 2013. Seems like all you have left as far as examples of Trump being a fascist is aesthetically similar rhetoric. Which, again, applies equally well to Obama. Now this is probably the part where you claim to have all these experts on your side that prove me wrong, yet you refuse to cite any of their work, making your claim utterly meaningless. So go ahead, appeal to authority again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/25/17 1:26:13 PM #122:	Mal_Fet posted... scar the 1 posted... You seem to bocce under the impression that the only way to determine if someone is fascist is through the policy they manage to push through. No one serious is calling Trump a fascist based on his policies, because he has yet to achieve anything. You know this. How about his intended policies? You've been listing them up until now, but all of a sudden your excuse is that there's no examples of him being fascist because he hasn't been able to do anything fascist yet? Let's review: Walls are not fascist. Protecting your coubtry's border is somethibg all coubtries do. The Berlin wall was constructed by the socialist German democratic republic of East germany, whom you yourself claim are inherently opposed to fascism. So which is it? Lower taxes and deregulation are not fascist. Fascism quite definitively involves greater control over industry and commerce. Travel bans are not fascist, unless you're willibg to call Obama a fascist since he did the same damn thing in 2013. Seems like all you have left as far as examples of Trump being a fascist is aesthetically similar rhetoric. Which, again, applies equally well to Obama. Now this is probably the part where you claim to have all these experts on your side that prove me wrong, yet you refuse to cite any of their work, making your claim utterly meaningless. So go ahead, appeal to authority again. Bice meltdowb agaib, friebd --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:887263788] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>You seem to bocce under the impression that the only way to determine if someone is fascist is through the policy they manage to push through. No one serious is calling Trump a fascist based on his policies, because he has yet to achieve anything. You know this.</quote> How about his intended policies? You've been listing them up until now, but all of a sudden your excuse is that there's no examples of him being fascist because he hasn't been able to do anything fascist yet? Let's review: Walls are not fascist. Protecting your coubtry's border is somethibg all coubtries do. The Berlin wall was constructed by the socialist German democratic republic of East germany, whom you yourself claim are inherently opposed to fascism. So which is it? Lower taxes and deregulation are not fascist. Fascism quite definitively involves greater control over industry and commerce. Travel bans are not fascist, unless you're willibg to call Obama a fascist since he did the same damn thing in 2013. Seems like all you have left as far as examples of Trump being a fascist is aesthetically similar rhetoric. Which, again, applies equally well to Obama. Now this is probably the part where you claim to have all these experts on your side that prove me wrong, yet you refuse to cite any of their work, making your claim utterly meaningless. So go ahead, appeal to authority again.</quote> Bice meltdowb agaib, friebd</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 09/25/17 1:27:40 PM #123:	ravel bans are not fascist, unless you're willibg to call Obama a fascist since he did the same damn thing in 2013. No he didn't. --- [ s p e e d b o o s t ] <cite>Guide posted [p:887263869] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><quote>ravel bans are not fascist, unless you're willibg to call Obama a fascist since he did the same damn thing in 2013. </quote> No he didn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/25/17 1:32:59 PM #124:	Guide posted... ravel bans are not fascist, unless you're willibg to call Obama a fascist since he did the same damn thing in 2013. No he didn't. Actually he did. He banned all Americans from travelling to Kenya because he was afraid people would find his real (kenyan) birth certificate. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:887264182] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote><quote>ravel bans are not fascist, unless you're willibg to call Obama a fascist since he did the same damn thing in 2013. </quote> No he didn't.</quote> Actually he did. He banned all Americans from travelling to Kenya because he was afraid people would find his real (kenyan) birth certificate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 09/25/17 1:34:13 PM #125:	This board can be so stupid that I can't be entirely sure that you're kidding. But funny either way. --- [ s p e e d b o o s t ] <cite>Guide posted [p:887264263] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote>This board can be so stupid that I can't be entirely sure that you're kidding. But funny either way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/25/17 1:35:20 PM #126:	Guide posted... This board can be so stupid that I can't be entirely sure that you're kidding. But funny either way. :) --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:887264322] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote>This board can be so stupid that I can't be entirely sure that you're kidding. But funny either way.</quote> :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/25/17 1:37:05 PM #127:	Guide posted... ravel bans are not fascist, unless you're willibg to call Obama a fascist since he did the same damn thing in 2013. No he didn't. http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/18/the-obama-administration-stopped-processing-iraq-refugee-requests-for-6-months-in-2011/ 2011. My mistake. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887264404] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote><quote>ravel bans are not fascist, unless you're willibg to call Obama a fascist since he did the same damn thing in 2013. </quote> No he didn't.</quote> http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/18/the-obama-administration-stopped-processing-iraq-refugee-requests-for-6-months-in-2011/ 2011. My mistake.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 09/25/17 1:39:48 PM #128:	Mal_Fet posted... Guide posted... ravel bans are not fascist, unless you're willibg to call Obama a fascist since he did the same damn thing in 2013. No he didn't. http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/18/the-obama-administration-stopped-processing-iraq-refugee-requests-for-6-months-in-2011/ 2011. My mistake. You do know that not processing requests for refugees to enter is not the same as barring any travel. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:887264563] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote><quote>ravel bans are not fascist, unless you're willibg to call Obama a fascist since he did the same damn thing in 2013. </quote> No he didn't.</quote> http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/18/the-obama-administration-stopped-processing-iraq-refugee-requests-for-6-months-in-2011/ 2011. My mistake.</quote> You do know that not processing requests for refugees to enter is not the same as barring any travel.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 09/25/17 1:40:40 PM #129:	Much better. So sick of that 2013 meme. --- [ s p e e d b o o s t ] <cite>Guide posted [p:887264613] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote>Much better. So sick of that 2013 meme.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/25/17 1:40:47 PM #130:	Tmaster148 posted... You do know that not processing requests for refugees to enter is not the same as barring any travel. I'm honestly not sure he cares enough beyond "but Obama!" to even know what policies he's talking about --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:887264617] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>You do know that not processing requests for refugees to enter is not the same as barring any travel.</quote> I'm honestly not sure he cares enough beyond "but Obama!" to even know what policies he's talking about</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/25/17 1:40:50 PM #131:	Tmaster148 posted... Mal_Fet posted... Guide posted... ravel bans are not fascist, unless you're willibg to call Obama a fascist since he did the same damn thing in 2013. No he didn't. http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/18/the-obama-administration-stopped-processing-iraq-refugee-requests-for-6-months-in-2011/ 2011. My mistake. You do know that not processing requests for refugees to enter is not the same as barring any travel. Trump didn't bar all travel though. See, this is the problem when your only knowledge of an issue is what it's colloquially known as but you still try to argue over the details. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887264623] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote><quote>ravel bans are not fascist, unless you're willibg to call Obama a fascist since he did the same damn thing in 2013. </quote> No he didn't.</quote> http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/18/the-obama-administration-stopped-processing-iraq-refugee-requests-for-6-months-in-2011/ 2011. My mistake.</quote> You do know that not processing requests for refugees to enter is not the same as barring any travel.</quote> Trump didn't bar all travel though. See, this is the problem when your only knowledge of an issue is what it's colloquially known as but you still try to argue over the details.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 09/25/17 1:54:14 PM #132:	Mal_Fet posted... Tmaster148 posted... Mal_Fet posted... Guide posted... ravel bans are not fascist, unless you're willibg to call Obama a fascist since he did the same damn thing in 2013. No he didn't. http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/18/the-obama-administration-stopped-processing-iraq-refugee-requests-for-6-months-in-2011/ 2011. My mistake. You do know that not processing requests for refugees to enter is not the same as barring any travel. Trump didn't bar all travel though. See, this is the problem when your only knowledge of an issue is what it's colloquially known as but you still try to argue over the details. You are the only trying to claim that Obama did a travel ban back in 2011. No where did I mention Trump. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:887265381] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Guide posted...</cite> <quote><quote>ravel bans are not fascist, unless you're willibg to call Obama a fascist since he did the same damn thing in 2013. </quote> No he didn't.</quote> http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/18/the-obama-administration-stopped-processing-iraq-refugee-requests-for-6-months-in-2011/ 2011. My mistake.</quote> You do know that not processing requests for refugees to enter is not the same as barring any travel.</quote> Trump didn't bar all travel though. See, this is the problem when your only knowledge of an issue is what it's colloquially known as but you still try to argue over the details.</quote> You are the only trying to claim that Obama did a travel ban back in 2011. No where did I mention Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/25/17 1:56:21 PM #133:	Tmaster148 posted... You are the only trying to claim that Obama did a travel ban back in 2011. No where did I mention Trump. Obama's ban on refugees in 2011 was functionally similar to Trump's travel ban. Hows that --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887265499] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>You are the only trying to claim that Obama did a travel ban back in 2011. No where did I mention Trump.</quote> Obama's ban on refugees in 2011 was functionally similar to Trump's travel ban. Hows that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 09/25/17 1:59:01 PM #134:	Mal_Fet posted... Tmaster148 posted... You are the only trying to claim that Obama did a travel ban back in 2011. No where did I mention Trump. Obama's ban on refugees in 2011 was functionally similar to Trump's travel ban. Hows that Trump travel's ban prevented people with green cards and visas from traveling back into the US. While Obama's only blocked refugee requests. It's one thing to stop taking in requests for refugees due to a security flaw. It's another to block people already allowed to be here from coming back. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:887265652] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>You are the only trying to claim that Obama did a travel ban back in 2011. No where did I mention Trump.</quote> Obama's ban on refugees in 2011 was functionally similar to Trump's travel ban. Hows that</quote> Trump travel's ban prevented people with green cards and visas from traveling back into the US. While Obama's only blocked refugee requests. It's one thing to stop taking in requests for refugees due to a security flaw. It's another to block people already allowed to be here from coming back.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/25/17 2:14:07 PM #135:	Tmaster148 posted... Trump travel's ban prevented people with green cards and visas from traveling back into the US. For two days, then the problem got fixed. Anything else? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887266430] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>Trump travel's ban prevented people with green cards and visas from traveling back into the US. </quote> For two days, then the problem got fixed. Anything else?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/25/17 2:15:20 PM #136:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... For the 2nd part, I think it's bulls* that Germany divided east and west but Korea divided north and south. What is up with that? Yeah given the capabilities we have to divide stuff in very high-dimensional hyperplanes (e.g., ANNs, SVMs), east/west or north/south seem frankly barbaric in comparison. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:887266486] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>For the 2nd part, I think it's bulls* that Germany divided east and west but Korea divided north and south. What is up with that?</quote> Yeah given the capabilities we have to divide stuff in very high-dimensional hyperplanes (e.g., ANNs, SVMs), east/west or north/south seem frankly barbaric in comparison.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 09/25/17 2:20:13 PM #137:	Mal_Fet posted... Tmaster148 posted... Trump travel's ban prevented people with green cards and visas from traveling back into the US. For two days, then the problem got fixed. Anything else? The problem got fixed, because the courts shot it down. And why does it matter that Trump's travel ban got taken down? It still nothing like what Obama did. You really just need to learn to admit when you are wrong, because constantly trying to move the goalposts isn't getting you anywhere. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:887266755] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>Trump travel's ban prevented people with green cards and visas from traveling back into the US. </quote> For two days, then the problem got fixed. Anything else?</quote> The problem got fixed, because the courts shot it down. And why does it matter that Trump's travel ban got taken down? It still nothing like what Obama did. You really just need to learn to admit when you are wrong, because constantly trying to move the goalposts isn't getting you anywhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/25/17 2:22:34 PM #138:	Mal_Fet posted... So go ahead, appeal to authority again. So what I'm hearing is that you don't consider rhetoric to be any sort of indicator at all? Despite known historical examples of fascist leaders often changed their intended policies as they went along? That's a defining characteristic that I've brought up: disregard for the written platform. Heck, Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that Germany should cooperate with the UK. You're asking us to judge him by a metric that is demonstrably bad at identifying fascism. That's not 100% honest, buddy. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:887266893] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>So go ahead, appeal to authority again.</quote> So what I'm hearing is that you don't consider rhetoric to be any sort of indicator at all? Despite known historical examples of fascist leaders often changed their intended policies as they went along? That's a defining characteristic that I've brought up: disregard for the written platform. Heck, Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that Germany should cooperate with the UK. You're asking us to judge him by a metric that is demonstrably bad at identifying fascism. That's not 100% honest, buddy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/25/17 2:23:22 PM #139:	Tmaster148 posted... The problem got fixed, because the courts shot it down. Wrong. Blocking people with green cards/visas from traveling was not the stated intention of the ban, and the proponents of the ban said as much, which is why they fixed it. The state courts shot down the ban entirely, on the basis it would hurt their tourism or whatever nonsense excuse they came up with. Nothing do do with visas. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887266938] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>The problem got fixed, because the courts shot it down. </quote> Wrong. Blocking people with green cards/visas from traveling was not the stated intention of the ban, and the proponents of the ban said as much, which is why they fixed it. The state courts shot down the ban entirely, on the basis it would hurt their tourism or whatever nonsense excuse they came up with. Nothing do do with visas.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/25/17 2:26:47 PM #140:	scar the 1 posted... So what I'm hearing is that you don't consider rhetoric to be any sort of indicator at all? No. Especially not when you refuse to acknowledge similar rhetoric used by former presidents as being fascist as well. scar the 1 posted... Despite known historical examples of fascist leaders often changed their intended policies as they went along? When Trump shifts to committing fascist policies, I'll agree with you. Wake me up when that happens. scar the 1 posted... You're asking us to judge him by a metric that is demonstrably bad at identifying fascism. Asking someone to use the definition of fascism to decide if someone is a fascist is a bad way to identify fascism? This is some grade-A doublethink going on right here --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887267112] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>So what I'm hearing is that you don't consider rhetoric to be any sort of indicator at all? </quote> No. Especially not when you refuse to acknowledge similar rhetoric used by former presidents as being fascist as well. <cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>Despite known historical examples of fascist leaders often changed their intended policies as they went along?</quote> When Trump shifts to committing fascist policies, I'll agree with you. Wake me up when that happens. <cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>You're asking us to judge him by a metric that is demonstrably bad at identifying fascism.</quote> Asking someone to use the definition of fascism to decide if someone is a fascist is a bad way to identify fascism? This is some grade-A doublethink going on right here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 09/25/17 2:29:41 PM #141:	Mal_Fet posted... Tmaster148 posted... The problem got fixed, because the courts shot it down. Wrong. Blocking people with green cards/visas from traveling was not the stated intention of the ban, and the proponents of the ban said as much, which is why they fixed it. The state courts shot down the ban entirely, on the basis it would hurt their tourism or whatever nonsense excuse they came up with. Nothing do do with visas. Whether or not it was a stated intent, Trump's travel ban did cause that issue. The Supreme Court reinstated the travel ban and limited what immigrants it could affect to prevent the green card/visa issue. So they made a fuck up and the court system fixed it. I don't get what your issue is. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:887267284] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>The problem got fixed, because the courts shot it down. </quote> Wrong. Blocking people with green cards/visas from traveling was not the stated intention of the ban, and the proponents of the ban said as much, which is why they fixed it. The state courts shot down the ban entirely, on the basis it would hurt their tourism or whatever nonsense excuse they came up with. Nothing do do with visas.</quote> Whether or not it was a stated intent, Trump's travel ban did cause that issue. The Supreme Court reinstated the travel ban and limited what immigrants it could affect to prevent the green card/visa issue. So they made a fuck up and the court system fixed it. I don't get what your issue is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/25/17 2:30:19 PM #142:	Tmaster148 posted... So they made a fuck up and the court system fixed it. I don't get what your issue is. the president has shown him how effective bald-faced lying is in political discourse --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:887267326] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>So they made a fuck up and the court system fixed it. I don't get what your issue is.</quote> the president has shown him how effective bald-faced lying is in political discourse</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LethalAffinity 09/25/17 2:33:29 PM #143:	Did you guys know Singapore is fascist --- http://i.imgur.com/Sv19SP4.jpg http://i.imgur.com/esZpDkI.jpg http://i.imgur.com/tdtzIvW.gif http://i.imgur.com/E0O1koZ.gif <cite>LethalAffinity posted [p:887267487] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote>Did you guys know Singapore is fascist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/25/17 2:34:01 PM #144:	Haha, slammed with the doublethink. Let me clarify: You say we should show how his intended policies are fascist. Intended policies are a bad metric, because fascists are known to change these as it suits them. See the issue? --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:887267520] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote>Haha, slammed with the doublethink. Let me clarify: You say we should show how his intended policies are fascist. Intended policies are a bad metric, because fascists are known to change these as it suits them. See the issue?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/25/17 2:34:47 PM #145:	Tmaster148 posted... Whether or not it was a stated intent, Trump's travel ban did cause that issue. Again, for two days. You're really gasping at straws here if that is what you consider a fascist action. Especially when you admit it wasn't even the administration's intent to do that. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887267558] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>Whether or not it was a stated intent, Trump's travel ban did cause that issue. </quote> Again, for two days. You're really gasping at straws here if that is what you consider a fascist action. Especially when you admit it wasn't even the administration's intent to do that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 09/25/17 2:36:41 PM #146:	Mal_Fet posted... Tmaster148 posted... Whether or not it was a stated intent, Trump's travel ban did cause that issue. Again, for two days. You're really gasping at straws here if that is what you consider a fascist action. Especially when you admit it wasn't even the administration's intent to do that. I never said it was a fascist action. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:887267674] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>Whether or not it was a stated intent, Trump's travel ban did cause that issue. </quote> Again, for two days. You're really gasping at straws here if that is what you consider a fascist action. Especially when you admit it wasn't even the administration's intent to do that.</quote> I never said it was a fascist action.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/25/17 2:37:06 PM #147:	scar the 1 posted... Haha, slammed with the doublethink. Let me clarify: You say we should show how his intended policies are fascist. Intended policies are a bad metric, because fascists are known to change these as it suits them. See the issue? Ok, give an example of Trump changing one of his non-fascist policies to a fascist one. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887267696] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>Haha, slammed with the doublethink. Let me clarify: You say we should show how his intended policies are fascist. Intended policies are a bad metric, because fascists are known to change these as it suits them. See the issue?</quote> Ok, give an example of Trump changing one of his non-fascist policies to a fascist one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squidkids 09/25/17 3:50:14 PM #148:	Tmaster148 posted... Mal_Fet posted... @Tmaster148 posted... Trump travel's ban prevented people with green cards and visas from traveling back into the US. For two days, then the problem got fixed. Anything else? The problem got fixed, because the courts shot it down. And why does it matter that Trump's travel ban got taken down? It still nothing like what Obama did. You really just need to learn to admit when you are wrong, because constantly trying to move the goalposts isn't getting you anywhere. he is a blind trump supporter that does no wrong, this is why I said hes not worth talking to long ago. --- Be a team player, guard those super jump rings. See a team member inking a wall to swim up on? ink with them. Ink your foes into ash. http://tinyurl.com/z7hbzrr <cite>Squidkids posted [p:887272208] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>Trump travel's ban prevented people with green cards and visas from traveling back into the US. </quote> For two days, then the problem got fixed. Anything else?</quote> The problem got fixed, because the courts shot it down. And why does it matter that Trump's travel ban got taken down? It still nothing like what Obama did. You really just need to learn to admit when you are wrong, because constantly trying to move the goalposts isn't getting you anywhere.</quote> he is a blind trump supporter that does no wrong, this is why I said hes not worth talking to long ago.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/25/17 4:01:55 PM #149:	Squidkids posted... Tmaster148 posted... Mal_Fet posted... @Tmaster148 posted... Trump travel's ban prevented people with green cards and visas from traveling back into the US. For two days, then the problem got fixed. Anything else? The problem got fixed, because the courts shot it down. And why does it matter that Trump's travel ban got taken down? It still nothing like what Obama did. You really just need to learn to admit when you are wrong, because constantly trying to move the goalposts isn't getting you anywhere. he is a blind trump supporter that does no wrong, this is why I said hes not worth talking to long ago. It was Trump's administration that exempted green cards. Not the courts. http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-trump-administration-further-clarifies-1485979330-htmlstory.html You really just need to learn to admit when you are wrong, because constantly trying to move the goalposts isn't getting you anywhere. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887272983] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Squidkids posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>Trump travel's ban prevented people with green cards and visas from traveling back into the US. </quote> For two days, then the problem got fixed. Anything else?</quote> The problem got fixed, because the courts shot it down. And why does it matter that Trump's travel ban got taken down? It still nothing like what Obama did. You really just need to learn to admit when you are wrong, because constantly trying to move the goalposts isn't getting you anywhere.</quote> he is a blind trump supporter that does no wrong, this is why I said hes not worth talking to long ago.</quote> It was Trump's administration that exempted green cards. Not the courts. http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-trump-administration-further-clarifies-1485979330-htmlstory.html You really just need to learn to admit when you are wrong, because constantly trying to move the goalposts isn't getting you anywhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mortimerjames 09/25/17 4:04:43 PM #150:	trump is a fascist using dumb people to strengthen his base for a takeover --- Tell me the story about how people used to believe in the Bible - Future kid to their grandparents <cite>mortimerjames posted [p:887273178] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote>trump is a fascist using dumb people to strengthen his base for a takeover</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/25/17 4:05:57 PM #151:	Mal_Fet posted... It was Trump's administration that exempted green cards. Not the courts. http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-trump-administration-further-clarifies-1485979330-htmlstory.html You really just need to learn to admit when you are wrong, because constantly trying to move the goalposts isn't getting you anywhere. this specifically says the language change was in response to lawsuits, and even this was not the end of the confusion over the wording until a new order was issued in mid-February --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:887273254] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>It was Trump's administration that exempted green cards. Not the courts. http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-trump-administration-further-clarifies-1485979330-htmlstory.html You really just need to learn to admit when you are wrong, because constantly trying to move the goalposts isn't getting you anywhere. </quote> this specifically says the language change was in response to lawsuits, and even this was not the end of the confusion over the wording until a new order was issued in mid-February</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
badasstion 09/25/17 4:06:19 PM #152:	Smashingpmkns posted... Suppressing media outlets is pretty damn fascist tbh. Calling real news "Fake news" as the leader of America is pretty fascist. Calling fake news "real news" is the real problem with this country tho. They equate him to a racist Nazi all the time, yet has done far more for the black community than Obama. <cite>badasstion posted [p:887273286] in Serious qu... [t:75810365]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>Suppressing media outlets is pretty damn fascist tbh. Calling real news "Fake news" as the leader of America is pretty fascist.</quote> Calling fake news "real news" is the real problem with this country tho. They equate him to a racist Nazi all the time, yet has done far more for the black community than Obama.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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