Board 8 > Freedom, Liberty, Ron Paul - The biggest humanitarian disaster of all [dwmf]

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HotDogButts posted...

As messed up as not believing in the merits of discourse and the exchange of ideas?

Debate is a spectrum. There's debating whether to get vanilla or chocolate, and there's debating whether we must commit genocide.

To absolutely worship debate to the point that you will let it convince you of genocide is truly horrible, in every sense. It has nothing to do with debate in general, especially not productive debate. At that point you've lost all reason and are purely being fanatical about how intellectual you are perceived.

I argue ITT because we don't argue straight sociopathy/psychopathy (usually) here like in other topics and around the internet. I would never seriously debate someone who supports genocide, which is why 100% of my posts against Vlado, MWC, etc are shit posts for the sake of passing readers. I value discussion of real disagreements, and the rhetoric practice it involves, even if I know it won't really convince anyone. But I do also see people being convinced ITT so it's all good.
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To absolutely worship debate to the point that you will let it convince you of genocide is truly horrible, in every sense. It has nothing to do with debate in general, especially not productive debate. At that point you've lost all reason and are purely being fanatical about how intellectual you are perceived.

Can we not debate this?

Seriously tho we're basically at argumentation ethics at this point, with foolmo unsurprisingly taking the non-libertarian position.
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foolm0r0n posted...

HotDogButts posted...

As messed up as not believing in the merits of discourse and the exchange of ideas?

Debate is a spectrum. There's debating whether to get vanilla or chocolate, and there's debating whether we must commit genocide.

To absolutely worship debate to the point that you will let it convince you of genocide is truly horrible, in every sense. It has nothing to do with debate in general, especially not productive debate. At that point you've lost all reason and are purely being fanatical about how intellectual you are perceived.

I argue ITT because we don't argue straight sociopathy/psychopathy (usually) here like in other topics and around the internet. I would never seriously debate someone who supports genocide, which is why 100% of my posts against Vlado, MWC, etc are shit posts for the sake of passing readers. I value discussion of real disagreements, and the rhetoric practice it involves, even if I know it won't really convince anyone. But I do also see people being convinced ITT so it's all good.

And yet to get back to the original point, is it your stance that no nazi, etc. has ever had a moment of awakening leading to a fundamental change in their beliefs?
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/alexa-can-you-prevent-suicide-1508762311

If you tell Alexa you're going to kill yourself, she'll try to talk you into getting help, but won't snitch on you.

In this way, she is a much better friend than b8.

This part is kinda creepy though.

A lot of questions ask Alexas opinion. That has created some new work streams for us to kind of fill out the answers to what customers are asking from an opinion perspective. I dont have a lot to share there yet. But its definitely an area that were putting more focus on.

"Alexa, who should I vote for?

I recommend down-the-line votes for the Democratic party!"
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foolm0r0n posted...

Man these genocider murderers are so darn charming!

So they murder people who commit genocide?
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b8 snitches on people who say they're going to kill themselves? what does that even mean?
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SmartMuffin posted...

If you tell Alexa you're going to kill yourself, she'll try to talk you into getting help, but won't snitch on you.

In this way, she is a much better friend than b8.

So if you heard someone was going to murder someone else, and you opted to try to talk them out of it but not alert the authorities, that would be the proper action?
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TheRock1525 posted...

So they murder people who commit genocide?

English is an inherently ambiguous language but you definitely know what I mean
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HotDogButts posted...

And yet to get back to the original point, is it your stance that no nazi, etc. has ever had a moment of awakening leading to a fundamental change in their beliefs?

No of course they have, but it's not gonna come from a debate between ideologies, and my strong theory is that it's not gonna come from some other white dude. It has to come from exposure to the group/people that they hate.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Seriously tho we're basically at argumentation ethics at this point, with foolmo unsurprisingly taking the non-libertarian position.

How is the position that takes genocide off the table the non-libertarian position?

Are you absolutely sure that you haven't had neocons trick you into believing that that genocide and totalitarianism is "like, totally libertarian and stuff" in order to get your support for their warmongering and statism? Because we know for a fact that has happened to you already on multiple occasions in history.

I don't give a shit what anyone says or what the "non-libertarian position" is. If it's against the NAP, I oppose it. If that's not what it means to be libertarian anymore then fuck libertarianism.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Are you absolutely sure that you haven't had neocons trick you into believing that that genocide and totalitarianism is "like, totally libertarian and stuff" in order to get your support for their warmongering and statism?

didn't muffin literally say "i support trump because it's so much fun" not too long ago? not sure why we still have to have a debate about whether or not he's "really a libertarian."
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foolm0r0n posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

So they murder people who commit genocide?

English is an inherently ambiguous language but you definitely know what I mean

I honest to goodness didn't because you're a super hard guy to read.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

didn't muffin literally say "i support trump because it's so much fun" not too long ago? not sure why we still have to have a debate about whether or not he's "really a libertarian."

He realizes that is non-libertarian at least, but stuff like this I dunno what he's thinking
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foolm0r0n posted...

HotDogButts posted...

And yet to get back to the original point, is it your stance that no nazi, etc. has ever had a moment of awakening leading to a fundamental change in their beliefs?

No of course they have, but it's not gonna come from a debate between ideologies, and my strong theory is that it's not gonna come from some other white dude. It has to come from exposure to the group/people that they hate.

Literally American History X?
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Never saw it
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great movie.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/poll-majority-of-white-americans-believe-they-face-discrimination

#woke
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^5 those 16% of white people
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http://reason.com/blog/2017/10/23/a-university-is-investigating-an-islamic

when the devil turns round on you
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It was only a matter of time before fed up conservatives, who are already outnumbered on campus, made use of the considerable administrative bureaucracy that exists for the sole purpose of making everybody comfortable

Holy shit ideologically weak people are the absolute worst

You don't like something, so it's only a matter of time until you start doing that exact thing that you don't like? What? Absolutely no shame either, the writer of this article seems PROUD to throw away everything he stands for.

This explains how "libertarians" like Muffin are now fully into totalitarianism and war. I guess it was just a "matter of time" for them to completely go against everything they believed in, cuz they're just too fed up with having some actual conviction. How fucking lucky are the establishment neocons to have such incredibly weak opposition?
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I guess it's similar to the "super non-violent" gun owner who sits around all day PRAYING, DREAMING for someone to take a single step onto his property so he can "justifiably" unleash all hell
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foolm0r0n posted...

I guess it's similar to the "super non-violent" gun owner who sits around all day PRAYING, DREAMING for someone to take a single step onto his property so he can "justifiably" unleash all hell

this is pretty much how i envisioned cantwell back when he was still an "anarchist" (lol).

probably not a coincidence that muffin loved him so much back then.
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Cantwell pulled his gun one time, to defend a woman who was being assaulted, and the police cleared him of any wrongdoing instantly.
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yeah and he said he wanted to kill jews.

what a nice non-violent guy.
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He seems like a standard guns=penis guy, not necessarily trigger eager
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foolm0r0n posted...

He seems like a standard guns=penis guy, not necessarily trigger eager

I'm sure there's a joke about erectile dysfunction in here somewhere but I just can't get myself up to make it
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http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/24/70-yosemite-entrance-fee-big-increases-proposed-for-parks/

Without government, who would charge you $70 to look at trees and rocks on "public" property?
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xfd, that girl Ive been dating is waiting till marriage

somebody shoot me
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Well unless you want to marry her I guess it's time to bail.

Which we told you like two weeks ago
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SmartMuffin posted...

xfd, that girl Ive been dating is waiting till marriage

somebody shoot me

So she gives great head and loves anal, what's the problem? Not like you're trying to have babies
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SmartMuffin posted...

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/24/70-yosemite-entrance-fee-big-increases-proposed-for-parks/

Without government, who would charge you $70 to look at trees and rocks on "public" property?

lol

even $10-15 to walk in a national park is pretty ridiculous - here in the netherlands walking in a national park costs like 3. obviously our parks aren't as spectacular as yosemite, but still.
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foolm0r0n posted...

SmartMuffin posted...

xfd, that girl Ive been dating is waiting till marriage

somebody shoot me

So she gives great head and loves anal, what's the problem? Not like you're trying to have babies

this is why women don't feel comfortable in tech.
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Not like you're trying to have babies

but muh white genocide
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So, how do I break up with someone?

I've literally never had a relationship end by any means other than me being dumped.
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You say "I don't want to see you anymore," preferably in person, and then stop seeing her.

Or just do what the girls who dumped you did.
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how long did this "relationship" last? one and a half weeks? >_>
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couple months
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How serious is it? Like exclusive dating, facebook official, I love you, etc

If it's less than exclusive dating you can just say you've lost interest and stop seeking out dates. You can still be friends and hook up and whatever. If it's more than that then I guess you need to do the whole sit down break up thing.

Maybe recreate a movie scene where you get a table at a very expensive restaurant and then you break up with her before even ordering appetizers and the girl splashes water in your face and rushes off and then you look up and say "check please" and the waiter is like "but you didn't even order anything!" and then you're like "oh right" and get up and leave, to the applause of the whole restaurant
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exclusive dating I guess

ill probably just do it over IM

we're both really busy and we live about an hour apart so it seems kinda dumb to schedule a date just to dump her, I dunno
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Hmm 1 hour difference for a 2 month thing... maybe do it over the phone. If you never use the phone, that's a pretty good signal for her of what's to come, so that softens the blow a bit. IM feels a bit weak.

Also, if the only reason you're breaking up is because you want a more sexual relationship, she might want to actually bargain something to make things work, which is easier on the phone than IM.
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My last gf I broke up with was 1 hour away and I was visiting town for a separate thing and said I would meet up with her after... and I broke up with her there. Not as bad as making her drive 1 hour but still a bit too shocking.
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Also, if the only reason you're breaking up is because you want a more sexual relationship, she might want to actually bargain something to make things work, which is easier on the phone than IM.

It's not quite that though. I don't even want her to bargain. If she's looking for a super romantic sort of "im only ever with one person in my life" not only do I not want that myself, but I dont really want a girl who wants that either because expectations will be super high.

I want to date a cheap slut who can easily replace me so that way I wont feel bad if I get bored of her and decide to move on.
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Ok so that makes for a simple breakup

Although I suspect she isn't so rigid about that ideal princess life as you are describing... and if she is, you really need to question her judgment about you being "the one"
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foolm0r0n posted...

Maybe recreate a movie scene where you get a table at a very expensive restaurant and then you break up with her before even ordering appetizers and the girl splashes water in your face and rushes off and then you look up and say "check please" and the waiter is like "but you didn't even order anything!" and then you're like "oh right" and get up and leave, to the applause of the whole restaurant

A+ would read + fap again.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Also, if the only reason you're breaking up is because you want a more sexual relationship, she might want to actually bargain something to make things work, which is easier on the phone than IM.

It's not quite that though. I don't even want her to bargain. If she's looking for a super romantic sort of "im only ever with one person in my life" not only do I not want that myself, but I dont really want a girl who wants that either because expectations will be super high.

I want to date a cheap slut who can easily replace me so that way I wont feel bad if I get bored of her and decide to move on.

just text her a link to this post imo

one and done
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SmartMuffin posted...

couple months

huh, really? assuming this is "no sex before marriage" girl it seems like it was only three weeks ago (at most) when you first mentioned her. guess you just didn't talk about her before that.
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I dont talk about my personal life as much anymore
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Unless you're a shit person, then you should definitely change yourself
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https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/78xkze/looks_like_donald_trump_wrote_to_new_york/

This is amazing
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