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Now, to be fair, I'm not trying to defend Jones. Who knows what he actually thinks.

It's just not as easy as going "If they don't like protesting the anthem, they don't support their players" and making it a black and white issue.
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Supporting them as people isn't a topic / debate that anybody is taking part in, the kneeling is the whole subject.
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CelesMyUserName posted...

Supporting them as people isn't a topic / debate that anybody is taking part in, the kneeling is the whole subject.

Him kneeling with the players before the anthem was brought up as a reason for why he wasn't consistent.

Him kneeling with the players before the anthem was for general support/the week Trump went full force against the NFL.

That's the whole point.
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Like, he has always been 100% against protesting the anthem. That has never changed.

tazzy argued the fact that he took a knee with them before the anthem made his stance inconsistent

But his taking a knee was just a sign of general support for them as his players/as people. It was pro them, but not pro protesting the anthem.

It's being argued that he can't support them and not support the protest, which is the point of contention.
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this is the most B8 argument I think I've ever seen on B8.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

this is the most B8 argument I think I've ever seen on B8.

For real.
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No, please read this and understand what I'm actually saying.

1. Jerry Jones says that he will silence players who kneel, thus creating a divisive political agenda.

2. Jerry Jones links arms and kneels with said players he threatened to silence, a message that was universally seen across the NFL as a team's refusal to let politics divide them.

3. Jerry Jones says, again, that he will push his political agenda in silencing players for peaceful protest, thus letting politics divide the team both figuratively and literally

This is an inconsistent message.
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tazzyboyishere posted...

No, please read this and understand what I'm actually saying.

1. Jerry Jones says that he will silence players who kneel, thus creating a divisive political agenda.

2. Jerry Jones links arms and kneels with said players he threatened to silence, a message that was universally seen across the NFL as a team's refusal to let politics divide them.

3. Jerry Jones says, again, that he will push his political agenda in silencing players for peaceful protest, thus letting politics divide the team both figuratively and literally

This is an inconsistent message.

He never once said he was silencing anyone. Like, I am totally confused if you can't read or properly follow logic. People keep saying I am looking for a "you win" when all this topic is is you beating a dead bush on something you are wrong about over and over. Multiple people have said you are wrong. It is not me. It's you...
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Corrik posted...

He never once said he was silencing anyone

If he benches/fires players for exposing political views in contention with his own, he is silencing them.
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tazzyboyishere posted...

Corrik posted...

He never once said he was silencing anyone

If he benches/fires players for exposing political views in contention with his own, he is silencing them.

No, he isn't. He is stating the consequences for the action. They can do whatever they want. They can sit the bench and kneel during the anthem. They can play for another team and kneel during the anthem. They can kneel before the anthem or after a TD or whenever besides the Anthem and play for the cowboys. Or they can further the cause they wish to protest elsewise with the backing of Jerry Jones.

That is not silencing someone. That is establishing consequences and making sure that avenues to not be silent are available and supported.

You are talking out your ass in every single post. Just stopppp already.
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What you are arguing is as dumb as someone saying to blow up abortion clinics to show you are against abortions. The law saying if you blow up an abortion clinic you are going to jail. And you saying that the law is silencing pro-life political views.
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Here

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppression_of_dissent

Hopefully this gives you a better idea of what I'm talking about
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tazzyboyishere posted...

Here

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppression_of_dissent

Hopefully this gives you a better idea of what I'm talking about

Yeah, not viable.

Like, the fact you want to beat your head against the wall arguing over and over that you are dumb is blowing my mind.

He did not say anyone who protests at literally any other time would be subject to discipline. Just during the national anthem. That is where you fall apart. If he was "silencing" them, he would be saying they won't be on the cowboys team if they show support for social injustice in any form.

Jesus, I can't respond to this anymore. If you are not trolling, then god help your soul.
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Assuming protesting at any point other than during the anthem actually has any impact

It's not even a protest at that point they're just taking a knee at some random point.

I'm protesting right now by sitting in my chair
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KommunistKoala posted...

Assuming protesting at any point other than during the anthem actually has any impact

It's not even a protest at that point they're just taking a knee at some random point.

I'm protesting right now by sitting in my chair

It is only protesting if disrespecting the country and your flag. Got it. Tell it next time to the people protesting in the streets.
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Kneeling is not disrespecting either of those things lol
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KommunistKoala posted...

Kneeling is not disrespecting either of those things lol

Kneeling during the anthem in which you are supposed to stand for is disrespecting your country and the flag. The fact you do not know this is a failure of your public education system.
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wew
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KommunistKoala posted...

Kneeling is not disrespecting either of those things lol

explain how intentionally doing the exact opposite of what you are politely asked to do is not disrespectful
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Corrik posted...

Kneeling during the anthem in which you are supposed to stand for is disrespecting your country and the flag.

I mean, that's the whole point. Respect is not something automatic; it has to be earned. The protesters' message is "A country that does these things is not worthy of my respect."
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explain how exercising your freedom and rights that this country was founded upon is disrespectful to that same country

get off your high horse
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SmartMuffin posted...

KommunistKoala posted...

Kneeling is not disrespecting either of those things lol

explain how intentionally doing the exact opposite of what you are politely asked to do is not disrespectful

The values of the country are specifically to grant him that action. Mr. Freedom Topic should know all about that, yeah?
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It's more like the exact opposite of only one aspect of the anthem ceremony. Just like how the thing being protested is an aspect of the nation, not the nation as a whole.
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Also, Corrik, I assume that every time you watch a game at home, you solemnly stand up from your couch when they perform the national anthem.
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SmartMuffin posted...

explain how intentionally doing the exact opposite of what you are politely asked to do is not disrespectful

Polite refusal of a request is highly respectful. Like if you're at a friend's place and their mom offers you cake but you say no thanks because you have a gluten allergy.

What you are saying is that free will is the opposite of respect. The only way to respect someone is to be their slave, beholden to all their orders (not requests anymore, orders because you have no choice). That's ridiculous nonsense and even clearer evidence that MAGA means Make America North Korea Again.
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Corrik posted...

She previously insinuated the President was a White Supremacist.

So she insinuated facts then.
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Gatarix posted...

Corrik posted...

Kneeling during the anthem in which you are supposed to stand for is disrespecting your country and the flag.

I mean, that's the whole point. Respect is not something automatic; it has to be earned. The protesters' message is "A country that does these things is not worthy of my respect."

So I am glad you think the protest is not social injustice but literally that our country does not deserve respect.
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Cybat posted...

Also, Corrik, I assume that every time you watch a game at home, you solemnly stand up from your couch when they perform the national anthem.

I am not in the presence of the flag. Again. This is another failure of the public education system.

Literally recycling Occupy Democrats garbage as a valid argument. Gotta be fucking kidding me. Next you will tell me the Army Black Knights knelt during the anthem so why are we saying it is disrespecting veterans if they are okay with it.

Gotta be kidding me.
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foolm0r0n posted...

SmartMuffin posted...

explain how intentionally doing the exact opposite of what you are politely asked to do is not disrespectful

Polite refusal of a request is highly respectful. Like if you're at a friend's place and their mom offers you cake but you say no thanks because you have a gluten allergy.

What you are saying is that free will is the opposite of respect. The only way to respect someone is to be their slave, beholden to all their orders (not requests anymore, orders because you have no choice). That's ridiculous nonsense and even clearer evidence that MAGA means Make America North Korea Again.

To expand on this, Kaep originally just sat on the bench and left it at that. Then he spoke to a vet that told him about kneeling, so he started doing that instead.

Kneeling in this case is a deliberate act of respect.
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Conservatives: STOP THE VIOLENCE! PROTEST PEACEFULLY IF YOU MUST PROTEST!

Colin Kaepernick: Got it.

Conservatives: STOP THE NOISE! PROTEST QUIETLY IF YOU MUST PROTEST!

Colin Kaepernick: I wasn't.. saying anything. So how exactly do you want us to protest?

Conservatives: Somewhere that you're neither seen, nor heard. Like at home.
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KommunistKoala posted...

explain how exercising your freedom and rights that this country was founded upon is disrespectful to that same country

get off your high horse

If you go to someone's funeral and protest during it, are you disrespecting the family and the person?

Or are you just politefully decling to be respectful because it is your right to?

Your argument makes no sense. Trying to play a semantic game just to argue.
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Corrik posted...

KommunistKoala posted...

explain how exercising your freedom and rights that this country was founded upon is disrespectful to that same country

get off your high horse

If you go to someone's funeral and protest during it, are you disrespecting the family and the person?

Or are you just politefully decling to be respectful because it is your right to?

Your argument makes no sense. Trying to play a semantic game just to argue.

Is the person America?
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Yeah the "durr I bet you're not standing watching the anthem at home" argument is really bad. A better argument is whether Corrik stood and recited the pledge of allegiance every day in school, which OBVIOUSLY he did. What kind of psychopathic child wouldn't?
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Corrik posted...

KommunistKoala posted...

explain how exercising your freedom and rights that this country was founded upon is disrespectful to that same country

get off your high horse

If you go to someone's funeral and protest during it, are you disrespecting the family and the person?

Or are you just politefully decling to be respectful because it is your right to?

Your argument makes no sense. Trying to play a semantic game just to argue.

These are not equivalent.

Your argument makes no sense. Trying to play a semantic game just to argue
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Corrik posted...

Gatarix posted...

Corrik posted...

Kneeling during the anthem in which you are supposed to stand for is disrespecting your country and the flag.

I mean, that's the whole point. Respect is not something automatic; it has to be earned. The protesters' message is "A country that does these things is not worthy of my respect."

So I am glad you think the protest is not social injustice but literally that our country does not deserve respect.

Well, yeah. I do not believe that our country deserves respect. There are a lot of good, caring, etc. individuals in this country that I respect, but the country as a whole is too much of a mixed bag.

It's really the same thing as an individual, just on a larger scale. If I know a guy who is sometimes courageous and caring, and at other times flies off the handle and assaults people and goes on racist/sexist tirades, I'm probably going to say "I can't respect that guy. I appreciate the good things he does, but overall I don't respect him." Same thing with the country.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Yeah the "durr I bet you're not standing watching the anthem at home" argument is really bad. A better argument is whether Corrik stood and recited the pledge of allegiance every day in school, which OBVIOUSLY he did. What kind of psychopathic child wouldn't?

Uh, of course. We all did.
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Gatarix posted...

Corrik posted...

Gatarix posted...

Corrik posted...

Kneeling during the anthem in which you are supposed to stand for is disrespecting your country and the flag.

I mean, that's the whole point. Respect is not something automatic; it has to be earned. The protesters' message is "A country that does these things is not worthy of my respect."

So I am glad you think the protest is not social injustice but literally that our country does not deserve respect.

Well, yeah. I do not believe that our country deserves respect. There are a lot of good, caring, etc. individuals in this country that I respect, but the country as a whole is too much of a mixed bag.

It's really the same thing as an individual, just on a larger scale. If I know a guy who is sometimes courageous and caring, and at other times flies off the handle and assaults people and goes on racist/sexist tirades, I'm probably going to say "I can't respect that guy. I appreciate the good things he does, but overall I don't respect him." Same thing with the country.

You are a disgrace. Done responding to some ungrateful person who takes their country for granted and disrespects it despite the way and quality of life it provides you. Later.


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Corrik posted...

Gatarix posted...

Corrik posted...

Gatarix posted...

Corrik posted...

Kneeling during the anthem in which you are supposed to stand for is disrespecting your country and the flag.

I mean, that's the whole point. Respect is not something automatic; it has to be earned. The protesters' message is "A country that does these things is not worthy of my respect."

So I am glad you think the protest is not social injustice but literally that our country does not deserve respect.

Well, yeah. I do not believe that our country deserves respect. There are a lot of good, caring, etc. individuals in this country that I respect, but the country as a whole is too much of a mixed bag.

It's really the same thing as an individual, just on a larger scale. If I know a guy who is sometimes courageous and caring, and at other times flies off the handle and assaults people and goes on racist/sexist tirades, I'm probably going to say "I can't respect that guy. I appreciate the good things he does, but overall I don't respect him." Same thing with the country.

You are a disgrace. Done responding to some ungrateful person who takes their country for granted and disrespects it despite the way and quality of life it provides you. Later.

Literally disgracing your country right now.
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Corrik posted...

Uh, of course. We all did.

I know. We would've been suspended if we didn't so hell yeah respect the flag!!!
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I always find it funny how conservatives go all in on nationalism... until it comes time to paying taxes. Isn't paying taxes the biggest act of gratitude toward your country there is?
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Ashethan posted...

I always find it funny how conservatives go all in on nationalism... until it comes time to paying taxes. Isn't paying taxes the biggest act of gratitude toward your country there is?

They used to make old timey propaganda about it


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Corrik is there anything the US could do to make you not respect it anymore? If the cops shot your whole family dead would you still respect them?
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foolm0r0n posted...

Corrik is there anything the US could do to make you not respect it anymore? If the cops shot your whole family dead would you still respect them?

they must've had a good reason man you've never met Corrik's family they were no angels
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they were probably asking for it by dressing provocatively
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Ashethan posted...

I always find it funny how conservatives go all in on nationalism... until it comes time to paying taxes. Isn't paying taxes the biggest act of gratitude toward your country there is?

Until taxes are donations and not payments for services, we have the right to wish we did not spend such money on frivolous entitlement programs to provide more of a tax burden on those of us who actually do work.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Corrik is there anything the US could do to make you not respect it anymore? If the cops shot your whole family dead would you still respect them?

What would cops have to do with my respect for my country? That would make me respect cops less if there was not a valid reason for it. Not my country.
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Corrik posted...

Ashethan posted...

I always find it funny how conservatives go all in on nationalism... until it comes time to paying taxes. Isn't paying taxes the biggest act of gratitude toward your country there is?

Until taxes are donations and not payments for services, we have the right to wish we did not spend such money on frivolous entitlement programs to provide more of a tax burden on those of us who actually do work.

Black people have the right to wish cops wouldn't kill them.
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Corrik posted...

Until taxes are donations and not payments for services, we have the right to wish we did not spend such money on frivolous entitlement programs to provide more of a tax burden on those of us who actually do work.

So basically you're only willing to do the bare minimum to show how grateful you are to your country? Something absolutely worthless and virtue signaling as standing for the fucking flag.

Apparently you don't respect this country as much as you tout. So stop bitching and wetting the bed over people kneeling for the anthem.
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CelesMyUserName posted...

Corrik posted...

Ashethan posted...

I always find it funny how conservatives go all in on nationalism... until it comes time to paying taxes. Isn't paying taxes the biggest act of gratitude toward your country there is?

Until taxes are donations and not payments for services, we have the right to wish we did not spend such money on frivolous entitlement programs to provide more of a tax burden on those of us who actually do work.

Black people have the right to wish cops wouldn't kill them.

Cops kill every race of people.
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Corrik posted...

CelesMyUserName posted...

Corrik posted...

Ashethan posted...

I always find it funny how conservatives go all in on nationalism... until it comes time to paying taxes. Isn't paying taxes the biggest act of gratitude toward your country there is?

Until taxes are donations and not payments for services, we have the right to wish we did not spend such money on frivolous entitlement programs to provide more of a tax burden on those of us who actually do work.

Black people have the right to wish cops wouldn't kill them.

Cops kill every race of people.

so maybe white people should join them instead of shutting them down? yeah you're right
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