Board 8 > ESPN Jemele Hill suspended for 2 weeks for...

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Telling people to boycott advertisers because she says advertisers are behind Jerry Jones saying any player that doesn't stand for the anthem on his team will not play in games.

She previously insinuated the President was a White Supremacist.
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Jerry Jones is literally a plague, so whatever she did was probably in the right.
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I felt Jerry Jones was in the right here

I don't mind if people protest, but I would prefer it being in a way that doesn't also disrespect the flag even if they don't mean it that way.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

tazzyboyishere posted...

Jerry Jones is literally a plague, so whatever she did was probably in the right.

She also told people not to watch the company she works for. ESPN pays a lot of money for the NFL.

I mean, I can't blame her for telling people to not watch ESPN. It's decent advice.
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ninkendo posted...

I don't mind if people protest, but I would prefer it being in a way that doesn't also disrespect the flag even if they don't mean it that way.

it's not that they don't mean it that way

it's that they literally aren't in any sane way at all
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It'd be hilarious if some of the best players knelt, just to see if he actually had the balls to go through with ruining his own team. I mean, they won't, but it'd be pretty fun to see his reaction.
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Corrik posted...

Telling people to boycott advertisers because she says advertisers are behind Jerry Jones saying any player that doesn't stand for the anthem on his team will not play in games.

She previously insinuated the President was a White Supremacist.

yeah, she did a political tweet (the trump thing), was warned not to do it anymore, then did it again (this tweet) so they suspended her
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UltimaterializerX posted...

She also told people not to watch the company she works for. ESPN pays a lot of money for the NFL.

Draining the swamp ftw
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how many posts does this topic get
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She's a complete joke. Tells people to boycott brands that support the NFL, continues to be willfully employed at a brand that supports the NFL.

If she had any gumption she'd quit and find another job.

Her point may be right, but she's completely hypocritical.
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At least 12
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HotDogButts posted...

She's a complete joke. Tells people to boycott brands that support the NFL, continues to be willfully employed at a brand that supports the NFL.

This is a lot like Jerry Jones taking a knee to show support for his players, then threatening to silence those same players for taking a knee.
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tazzyboyishere posted...

HotDogButts posted...

She's a complete joke. Tells people to boycott brands that support the NFL, continues to be willfully employed at a brand that supports the NFL.

This is a lot like Jerry Jones taking a knee to show support for his players, then threatening to silence those same players for taking a knee.

He took a knee before the anthem that one night, he just doesn't want his players doing it during the anthem
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May I have an explanation as to why that actually matters and isn't just Jerry Jones being a hypocritical dumbass?
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tazzyboyishere posted...

May I have an explanation as to why that actually matters and isn't just Jerry Jones being a hypocritical dumbass?

He has been pretty consistent on it.
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So he takes a knee with his team to show that they won't let political ideology divide them, then proceeds to let political ideology to divide that very team. May I have the definition of consistency? I don't think I learned it properly.

Unless you're talking about Jerry Jones being a dumbass, in which case, I agree. He has been quite consistent if the definition is as I know it.
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tazzyboyishere posted...

So he takes a knee with his team to show that they won't let political ideology divide them, then proceeds to let political ideology to divide that very team. May I have the definition of consistency? I don't think I learned it properly.

Unless you're talking about Jerry Jones being a dumbass, in which case, I agree. He has been quite consistent if the definition is as I know it.

He's actually been consistent on this. From the beginning he said he didn't want his players taking a knee DURING the anthem. He took a knee with them BEFORE the anthem to show he's not against their cause, but doesn't want the team itself becoming political by kneeling during the anthem.
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tazzyboyishere posted...

So he takes a knee with his team to show that they won't let political ideology divide them, then proceeds to let political ideology to divide that very team. May I have the definition of consistency? I don't think I learned it properly.

Unless you're talking about Jerry Jones being a dumbass, in which case, I agree. He has been quite consistent if the definition is as I know it.

Said preseason anyone who kneels during the anthem will be off the team. Specifically had his team and him kneel before the anthem and stand for the anthem during the unity shit. Said afterwards anyone who kneels during the anthem will sit.

100% consistent throughout.
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He supports his players protesting if they want to, doesn't support doing it during the anthem. Pretty straightforward.

You can disagree with his stance all you like, but he has clearly defined parameters as to where he stands. Stand for the flag, have your protest at another point in time.
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StealThisSheen posted...

to show he's not against their cause

But if he threatens to silence players, he literally is against their cause.
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why are you so bad at arguing
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Corrik posted...

Said preseason anyone who kneels during the anthem will be off the team. Specifically had his team and him kneel before the anthem and stand for the anthem during the unity shit. Said afterwards anyone who kneels during the anthem will sit.

100% consistent throughout.

This isn't consistent at all

1. I don't want my players to have a voice
2. Okay, it's cool if they have a voice, can't have this be divisive
3. On second though, I still don't want my players to have a voice

HotDogButts posted...

He supports his players protesting if they want to, doesn't support doing it during the anthem. Pretty straightforward.

You can disagree with his stance all you like, but he has clearly defined parameters as to where he stands. Stand for the flag, have your protest at another point in time.

He actually doesn't support them protesting if he is threatening to remove them for protesting. Defining what times are applicable for peaceful protest only further shows his inconsistency.
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HotDogButts posted...

why are you so bad at arguing

Probably because the people I argue with are bad at it.
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tazzyboyishere posted...

HotDogButts posted...

why are you so bad at arguing

Probably because the people I argue with are bad at it.

No, it's definitely you in this case. This is a bad hill to die on.
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Can you please link me the definition of consistency so I never make this terrible mistake of insulting Jerry Jones again?
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tazzyboyishere posted...

Can you please link me the definition of consistency so I never make this terrible mistake of insulting Jerry Jones again?

Dude, trust me. I hate to agree with Corrik on anything, but...

You're arguing that he's being inconsistent. That's 100% wrong.

From the beginning, Jerry Jones has said "I do not want anybody kneeling during the anthem. Protest any other time you like."

When he joined them in kneeling, it was not during the anthem. It was during "any other time."

His position on it has literally not changed.

You can disagree with his position, but it's been completely consistent.
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the real test of Jones's consistency would be to see what he does if Dak, Zeke, or Dez take a knee since he's said from the start that anyone who kneels during the anthem won't be on the team, and no owner in the NFL has been that strong about it
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I think we are on different pages then. I was arguing that he's shown blatant inconsistency in how he views team unity. I guess if we're just going by what he's objectively stated, then he has been consistent, yes.
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Well, when Jones knelt with the team, it wasn't even really about the Kaepernick stuff. It was about Trump's statement slandering the entire league. It wasn't even about the same issue, which is why you saw tons of players kneel (or lock arms or stay in the locker room) that Sunday who've never knelt any other time.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Well, when Jones knelt with the team, it wasn't even really about the Kaepernick stuff. It was about Trump's statement slandering the entire league. It wasn't even about the same issue, which is why you saw tons of players kneel (or lock arms or stay in the locker room) that Sunday who've never knelt any other time.

Well yeah, the whole message was a refusal to let different ideologies divide them as a team, but Jones' statements are about as divisive as you can make the issue. Hence why I think Jones' actions have been inconsistent.
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Lol tazzy.
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Sorry for expecting you to know what I was talking about.
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tazzyboyishere posted...

Sorry for expecting you to know what I was talking about.

You are just totally wrong.
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ninkendo posted...

I felt Jerry Jones was in the right here

I don't mind if people protest, but I would prefer it being in a way that doesn't also disrespect the flag even if they don't mean it that way.

Leave it to Texas to try to have it both ways

https://twitter.com/astros/status/917504561912442880
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StealThisSheen posted...

tazzyboyishere posted...

So he takes a knee with his team to show that they won't let political ideology divide them, then proceeds to let political ideology to divide that very team. May I have the definition of consistency? I don't think I learned it properly.

Unless you're talking about Jerry Jones being a dumbass, in which case, I agree. He has been quite consistent if the definition is as I know it.

He's actually been consistent on this. From the beginning he said he didn't want his players taking a knee DURING the anthem. He took a knee with them BEFORE the anthem to show he's not against their cause, but doesn't want the team itself becoming political by kneeling during the anthem.

and yet, by making this policy, what has he done
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Corrik arbitrarily changed the topic of discussion and everyone else noticed except me. Not sure what he said that alluded to the change in subject, but I'll take my loss, because I'm clearly not smart enough to keep up with him.
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tazzyboyishere posted...

Corrik arbitrarily changed the topic of discussion and everyone else noticed except me. Not sure what he said that alluded to the change in subject, but I'll take my loss, because I'm clearly not smart enough to keep up with him.

Dude seriously wtf are you even talking about
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I'll go as slow as possible here:

- HDB says the reporter is a hypocrite
- I say Jerry Jones is a hypocrite as well, for his words directly going against his actions
- Arti says that Jones already said he doesn't care if players protest, just not during the anthem
- I say that it doesn't matter because it's still hypocritical
- You quote this comment and say, "He has been pretty consistent on it." which any rational human being would assume is in regards to what the person being quoted is talking about, not a topic that they said didn't matter. I feel I am a rational person, and thus assumed this "consistency" was referring to his actions and how he promoted team unity, rather than statements that don't effect whether or not he's a hypocrite.
- Obviously this is objectively false, which I'd already said, and therefore continue to argue that point.
- Everyone else seems to understand that the conversation is about something entirely different based on the phrase, "He has been pretty consistent on it." and starts ganging on me.
- SEP makes it pretty clear that you all completely misinterpreted what I was saying, and I back down because it was obvious multiple people either misread or skipped over my posts.
- Because you all didn't read or read incorrectly, I can safely point you to post #24 and be done with it.
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tazzyboyishere posted...

I'll go as slow as possible here:

- HDB says the reporter is a hypocrite
- I say Jerry Jones is a hypocrite as well, for his words directly going against his actions
- Arti says that Jones already said he doesn't care if players protest, just not during the anthem
- I say that it doesn't matter because it's still hypocritical
- You quote this comment and say, "He has been pretty consistent on it." which any rational human being would assume is in regards to what the person being quoted is talking about, not a topic that they said didn't matter. I feel I am a rational person, and thus assumed this "consistency" was referring to his actions and how he promoted team unity, rather than statements that don't effect whether or not he's a hypocrite.
- Obviously this is objectively false, which I'd already said, and therefore continue to argue that point.
- Everyone else seems to understand that the conversation is about something entirely different based on the phrase, "He has been pretty consistent on it." and starts ganging on me.
- SEP makes it pretty clear that you all completely misinterpreted what I was saying, and I back down because it was obvious multiple people either misread or skipped over my posts.
- Because you all didn't read or read incorrectly, I can safely point you to post #24 and be done with it.

Glad you went slow, so I can tell you exactly where you were 100% wrong and nothing else mattered.

Bold is where your wrong. Nothing else matters. Okay. No big deal. Everyone makes mistakes.
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do you just want someone to say "you win" or what
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Corrik destroyed tazzie
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Damn I got got
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LeonhartFour posted...

do you just want someone to say "you win" or what

Yes, will you?
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eh, I get what tazzy is trying to say

you can have a policy that is 100% consistent from day 1 and yet is internally/logically inconsistent. like, uh, "no running in the school halls unless you're on your way to or from music class." not a great example but you get the idea. it could be the policy from the first day of school, but it's still internally inconsistent, because if running down the hall is bad then you should just ban it altogether, and singling out music class is entirely arbitrary.

we can argue whether singling out the anthem is similarly arbitrary, but it's not such a wild stance to take
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Drakeryn posted...

eh, I get what tazzy is trying to say

you can have a policy that is 100% consistent from day 1 and yet is internally/logically inconsistent. like, uh, "no running in the school halls unless you're on your way to or from music class." not a great example but you get the idea. it could be the policy from the first day of school, but it's still internally inconsistent, because if running down the hall is bad then you should just ban it altogether, and singling out music class is entirely arbitrary.

we can argue whether singling out the anthem is similarly arbitrary, but it's not such a wild stance to take

In that way, it may be a bit internally inconsistent, sure. But he was trying to say Jones kneeling with the players before the anthem was what made it inconsistent, which is what I think most of us are disagreeing with.

Jones can have the rule yet still show unity without being hypocritical. He took a knee with them to basically go "Look, I support you guys," but it's not really supporting the protest itself. That specific protest, which is taking a knee during the anthem, is something he was always against. But it's entirely possibly to be against that specific protest, yet still support the players overall.
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but he doesn't support the players if he's threatening to bench them if they protest

what did the kneeling even stand for?
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KommunistKoala posted...

but he doesn't support the players if he's threatening to bench them if they protest

I mean, does a parent not support their child if they ground them for acting out in school

It doesn't have to be that black and white.
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StealThisSheen posted...

KommunistKoala posted...

but he doesn't support the players if he's threatening to bench them if they protest

I mean, does a parent not support their child if they ground them for acting out in school

It doesn't have to be that black and white.

They don't support their "acting", no.
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CelesMyUserName posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

KommunistKoala posted...

but he doesn't support the players if he's threatening to bench them if they protest

I mean, does a parent not support their child if they ground them for acting out in school

It doesn't have to be that black and white.

They don't support their "acting", no.

Right, and he doesn't support the act of protesting the flag/anthem specifically.

That doesn't mean he doesn't support them.
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