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Revelation34 posted...

Smarkil posted...

unarmed black man, gets suspended with pay, tried, and ultimately cleared of any wrongdoing and set free...

I love how you ignored the point of that post.

Oh you're right, I forgot we live in a country where cops are guilty until proven innocent and everyone that is shot by a cop is innocent.

My bad.
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Smarkil posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Smarkil posted...

unarmed black man, gets suspended with pay, tried, and ultimately cleared of any wrongdoing and set free...

I love how you ignored the point of that post.

Oh you're right, I forgot we live in a country where cops are guilty until proven innocent and everyone that is shot by a cop is innocent.

My bad.

Shooting somebody unarmed and being cleared.
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Unfernal_Server posted...

Melon_Master posted...

Unfernal_Server posted...

Zeus posted...

Well, how much of a history does he have when it comes to politics? The fact that it's opportunistic is undeniable, and it's fairly safe to assume that he wants to put distance between himself and white movements which minority groups view as being hostile. However, more generally, he's playing *to* his audience rather than against it, which automatically makes any alleged sincerity seem a bit weaker.

He's an american, politics affect everyone. You're not giving any reasons for why it's opportunistic. You're not giving anything that backs up your claims, you're literally just stating your opinion and saying it's undeniable and safe to assume. This is why virtue-signal claims are stupid, it's always just "well he's stating something that a lot of people agree with, therefore he's just doing it to get their support". Hmm, maybe he's saying something because it's what he thinks, plain and simple, it isn't always deeper than that.

Zeus is just going to try and change the subject on you now.

Yeah... That would be pretty much par for the course..

Or ignore you, then come back a couple days later and respond with the hopes you forgot all about the topic and don't see it
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Yamato_san posted...

But Affirmative Action is just a different form of prejudice. As I said, it's just tipping the scales to an opposite end rather than going for a balance. And yes, police need to be better disciplined, but why does it need to be strictly a racial issue? Yes, some individual cops are racist, and they should be condemned for that, but it's not like anybody could know that when hiring them, just like nobody could tell that they're liable to fly off the handle and break the rules in general. Better discipline and stricter punishment for law enforcement does seem to be needed, but to suggest the the entire police force in this country just has it out solely for black people based on a few bad apples (or worse, to suggest that this is the case literally every time a shooting occurs, even the occasions when it is arguably justified against an armed maniac who happens to be black and couldn't be neutralized via non-violent means) is just asinine.

The solution is really simple, I can't believe it even needs to be discussed: just stop focusing on race. Stop making every little thing be about skin color. Ultimately, the only people who continue to make race an issue are the people who whine about it. People are people, that's all that needs to be taught. Not this inane notion that the world is out to get you based on your melanin count. We are all people and we all have our rights, that's it.

That solution is that simple, sure, provided racism no longer exists.

For someone seeking employment, or to be accepted to university, or just trying to avoid being harassed by the police, its not so simple.

Yes, ALL people should be treated equally, but disproportionately, minorities are at a disadvantage. Legislative protections, programs, and awareness campaigns are necessary to combat this complacency that exists because people feel the Civil Rights Act magically fixed everything. It didnt.

Honestly, it wont. Ever. Which is why we need to keep pushing for equality for EVERYONE, and distinctly why we actually should focus on race, gender, sexual preference, etc. Because, while certain things like AA are flawed solutions, doing nothing is not a solution. Not focusing on race is not a solution. Its willful ignorance to the issues faced by those affected.
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Smarkil posted...

Truth_Decay posted...

Dont think its possible to completely stamp out racism/sexism/etc, but that doesnt mean we should stop trying. Doesnt mean we should turn a blind eye when a cop guns down an unarmed black man, gets suspended with pay, tried, and ultimately cleared of any wrongdoing and set free...

They suspend them with pay because they're investigating the issue. At that point, they don't know whether or not the person has done anything wrong so they can't exactly punish him for something he hasn't been proven to have done. Think it through dude.

Fine. But if theyre found guilty, they should be made to forfeit any pay they received while on suspension. If they cant repay it, garnish their wages at their future job. Okay?

And my point is that these cops are not being trained properly. Perhaps an apprenticeship program. Every new hire is placed with a seasoned veteran, someone better equipped to de-escalate and defuse tense or hostile situations. Keep them paired for a number of years, until the veteran feels they are mature enough and prepared for the job.
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Revelation34 posted...

Shooting somebody unarmed and being cleared.

Except it's almost never that simple and groups like BLM are muddying the waters by holding up terrible cases as examples.

Alton Sterling - Threatened a homeless man, fighting with the officers even after being tased oh and he had a .38 revolver.

Walter Scott - Fought with police, allegedly reached for officers stungun. Was shot and killed while running. How can the police keep getting away with th- oh wait, the officer is now serving out a life imprisonment.

Michael Brown - A real sweet guy whom we definitely don't have video evidence of him literally strong arming a tiny convenience store clerk. Fought with the officer. Reached for officers gun.

That one case recently where the cop allegedly planted a gun - I forget the name of the people involved, but there was that case recently where some cop had allegedly planted a gun in the guys car. Except there were three different camera angles that proved nothing of the sort, but everyone still held it up as an example of police corruption.

etc. etc.

The only egregious case I can think of recently was Philando, but that was more of a case of sheer stupidity than anything. And if I recall correctly, that guy was fired. In any case, this guy should definitely be held up as an example of police brutality. It was just an idiot who should never have been a cop who got jumpy and Philando was doing nothing that should have warranted that behavior. However, it really has nothing to do with him being black.

If you want to pretend that cops are shooting good Christian boys who've never done anything wrong, then fine. But the blatant disregard for factual information is not helping the cause.
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Truth_Decay posted...

Fine. But if theyre found guilty, they should be made to forfeit any pay they received while on suspension. If they cant repay it, garnish their wages at their future job. Okay?

And my point is that these cops are not being trained properly. Perhaps an apprenticeship program. Every new hire is placed with a seasoned veteran, someone better equipped to de-escalate and defuse tense or hostile situations. Keep them paired for a number of years, until the veteran feels they are mature enough and prepared for the job.

It all comes down to money dude. We all want to have our cake and to eat it too. The majority of departments across the country can't afford to have two officers working with each other for that period of a time because they're often understaffed and overworked.

I've been saying this for a long time. The problem with police brutality is not some perceived racism or institutional corruption. It's because cops get paid jack shit to put their life in danger so it attracts a lot of uneducated assholes who can't keep their shit together.

Pay cops more money, require a college degree, require more training to begin with and additional retraining every year, and punish them more harshly when they fuck up. But that all requires money and until our government of fucks can stop fucking up the budget, that won't happen.
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Not going to disagree that cops are underpaid, and that budgeting them to be properly educated and trained would be a massive undertaking, but denying that racism isnt at least part of the problem is just plain wrong, although the racism that does exist may very well be tied to the fact that these cops arent properly trained, which I can agree ties into them being underpaid. Its a vicious circle.

As to shooting unarmed suspects... no they may not be good Christian boys, but theyre still unarmed, and cops should have tasers and pepper spray as options.

But beyond that, the real issue is that the police are seen as a threat. Theyre not there to protect and serve, theyre there to punish and arrest, and inflict bodily harm. In most instances, its just a perception. But there are enough cops, more than a handful, who abuse their authority on top of being poorly trained and/or improperly equipped. We need cops to be representative of the communities they serve, not some detached quasi-military force.

Its a complex issue, for sure. And no, racism in and of itself is not the sole problem. But it is most certainly part of it.
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Smarkil posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Shooting somebody unarmed and being cleared.

Except it's almost never that simple and groups like BLM are muddying the waters by holding up terrible cases as examples.

Alton Sterling - Threatened a homeless man, fighting with the officers even after being tased oh and he had a .38 revolver.

Walter Scott - Fought with police, allegedly reached for officers stungun. Was shot and killed while running. How can the police keep getting away with th- oh wait, the officer is now serving out a life imprisonment.

Michael Brown - A real sweet guy whom we definitely don't have video evidence of him literally strong arming a tiny convenience store clerk. Fought with the officer. Reached for officers gun.

That one case recently where the cop allegedly planted a gun - I forget the name of the people involved, but there was that case recently where some cop had allegedly planted a gun in the guys car. Except there were three different camera angles that proved nothing of the sort, but everyone still held it up as an example of police corruption.

etc. etc.

The only egregious case I can think of recently was Philando, but that was more of a case of sheer stupidity than anything. And if I recall correctly, that guy was fired. In any case, this guy should definitely be held up as an example of police brutality. It was just an idiot who should never have been a cop who got jumpy and Philando was doing nothing that should have warranted that behavior. However, it really has nothing to do with him being black.

If you want to pretend that cops are shooting good Christian boys who've never done anything wrong, then fine. But the blatant disregard for factual information is not helping the cause.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Oscar_Grant
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Revelation34 posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Oscar_Grant

Mehserle was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter

Oakland civil rights attorney John Burris filed a $25 million wrongful death claim against BART on behalf of Grant's family. BART settled with Grant's daughter and mother for a total of $2.8 million in 2011.

Sounds like the system was working to me.

Truth_Decay posted...

but denying that racism isnt at least part of the problem is just plain wrong

How? There's been no conclusive evidence to prove that racism is the problem here. For every situation that someone uses to 'prove' that racism exists, there's a million other reasons and studies to show that it doesn't. And people are crying racism in almost every case when it's a black man that dies.

For example, Freddie Gray. In a mostly black city, with a black mayor, a black AG (IIRC), and three black cops being involved in the incident = racism against a black man?

We can go back and forth all day, but until you can point me to a case of proven racism, I really can't help you fight it. You have to be able to eliminate every other factor from a case before it can be drilled down to racism.

Truth_Decay posted...

But beyond that, the real issue is that the police are seen as a threat. Theyre not there to protect and serve, theyre there to punish and arrest, and inflict bodily harm.

Also, they're seen as a threat because people are taught to see them as a threat. Every time a parent points at a police officer and tells their unruly child if they don't behave the cop is going to arrest them, every time a cop is on video camera and is posted on social media despite completely reasonable circumstances, every time we listen to songs like "Fuck the police" and chant "Death to pigs" in the streets.

The only 'threat' I feel from a cop is the threat of them making me pay a bullshit ticket. I wasn't raised to think of cops as bad people.
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I realized racism was a problem when one of my black friends explained to me about the talk. you see, white kids get "the talk" as teenagers, and it is about sex. black kids also get "the talk" from their parents, but it's not about sex. it's about what to do when the police show up. the experience growing up as a young black man is so much different, if I hadn't gone into the city to work in places where half the employees were black I doubt I ever would have realized it.

helIy posted...

Unfernal_Server posted...

Melon_Master posted...

Unfernal_Server posted...

Zeus posted...

Well, how much of a history does he have when it comes to politics? The fact that it's opportunistic is undeniable, and it's fairly safe to assume that he wants to put distance between himself and white movements which minority groups view as being hostile. However, more generally, he's playing *to* his audience rather than against it, which automatically makes any alleged sincerity seem a bit weaker.

He's an american, politics affect everyone. You're not giving any reasons for why it's opportunistic. You're not giving anything that backs up your claims, you're literally just stating your opinion and saying it's undeniable and safe to assume. This is why virtue-signal claims are stupid, it's always just "well he's stating something that a lot of people agree with, therefore he's just doing it to get their support". Hmm, maybe he's saying something because it's what he thinks, plain and simple, it isn't always deeper than that.

Zeus is just going to try and change the subject on you now.

Yeah... That would be pretty much par for the course..

Or ignore you, then come back a couple days later and respond with the hopes you forgot all about the topic and don't see it

One of the saddest tactics..
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Smarkil posted...

The only 'threat' I feel from a cop is the threat of them making me pay a bullshit ticket. I wasn't raised to think of cops as bad people.

pretty much this.

and most of the time I have to deal with cops, they're pretty easy going
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Smarkil posted...

Truth_Decay posted...

but denying that racism isnt at least part of the problem is just plain wrong

How? There's been no conclusive evidence to prove that racism is the problem here. For every situation that someone uses to 'prove' that racism exists, there's a million other reasons and studies to show that it doesn't. And people are crying racism in almost every case when it's a black man that dies.

For example, Freddie Gray. In a mostly black city, with a black mayor, a black AG (IIRC), and three black cops being involved in the incident = racism against a black man?

We can go back and forth all day, but until you can point me to a case of proven racism, I really can't help you fight it. You have to be able to eliminate every other factor from a case before it can be drilled down to racism.

Truth_Decay posted...

But beyond that, the real issue is that the police are seen as a threat. Theyre not there to protect and serve, theyre there to punish and arrest, and inflict bodily harm.

Also, they're seen as a threat because people are taught to see them as a threat. Every time a parent points at a police officer and tells their unruly child if they don't behave the cop is going to arrest them, every time a cop is on video camera and is posted on social media despite completely reasonable circumstances, every time we listen to songs like "Fuck the police" and chant "Death to pigs" in the streets.

The only 'threat' I feel from a cop is the threat of them making me pay a bullshit ticket. I wasn't raised to think of cops as bad people.

Couple things Id like to point out, Im not claiming that every police shooting is motivated by racism. Far from it.

But racism isnt just screaming the n-word at black people and burning crosses on black peoples lawns. People can be subconsciously racist without being overtly racist. Some people arent even aware of their own racism, and how it affects their decisions and behavior.

So some of these shootings may not have necessarily occurred because the cop was thinking This perp is black, and therefore a threat. Better be prepared to shoot him

It could be that his upbringing has ingrained a deep-seated irrational fear of black people, to the point where he may be that much quicker on the trigger with a black person than he would with a white person in the same situation. These cops arent necessarily racist, but theyre still affected by racist thinking, even on a subconscious level.

helIy posted...

Smarkil posted...

The only 'threat' I feel from a cop is the threat of them making me pay a bullshit ticket. I wasn't raised to think of cops as bad people.

pretty much this.

and most of the time I have to deal with cops, they're pretty easy going

White people tend to have an easier time with cops, and therefore dont feel as threatened by them.

Again, of course police brutality occurs against white and those from different backgrounds, but that subconscious racism is more pervasive than youd think.
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Truth_Decay posted...

It could be that his upbringing has ingrained a deep-seated irrational fear of black people, to the point where he may be that much quicker on the trigger with a black person than he would with a white person in the same situation. These cops arent necessarily racist, but theyre still affected by racist thinking, even on a subconscious level.

But for that to be the case, you would have to find that black officers are more lenient on black perpetrators and I don't believe that's the case. As I mentioned in Baltimore, something like half the police force is black and the arrest statistics are as bad if not worse for the black population in Baltimore than anywhere else.

Or Atlanta, where the majority of the police force is black and still has crime statistics that APPEAR to disproportionately affect black people.

Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be a comprehensive study as to what the race of an officer is vs the race that he arrests, but the point still stands. Are these black officers racist?

And you bring up this deep-seated fear of white vs. black but I would contend that there's a far higher prevalence of fear of the police as a result of someones upbringing which would cause them to be far more likely to act inappropriately in interactions with the police.
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Truth_Decay posted...

White people tend to have an easier time with cops, and therefore dont feel as threatened by them.

id say the majority of cops around here are black
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Smarkil posted...

Mehserle was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter

Oakland civil rights attorney John Burris filed a $25 million wrongful death claim against BART on behalf of Grant's family. BART settled with Grant's daughter and mother for a total of $2.8 million in 2011.

Sounds like the system was working to me.

It was straight murder. There's also non cop ones like Zimmerman.
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Revelation34 posted...

It was straight murder. There's also non cop ones like Zimmerman.

Thank you for your opinion but it appears the jury does not agree with you.

And Zimmerman has absolutely nothing to do with the police. I don't even know why you're bringing him up.
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Smarkil posted...

Revelation34 posted...

It was straight murder. There's also non cop ones like Zimmerman.

Thank you for your opinion but it appears the jury does not agree with you.

And Zimmerman has absolutely nothing to do with the police. I don't even know why you're bringing him up.

He was pretending to be a cop and wanted to be one anyway.
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Revelation34 posted...

He was pretending to be a cop and wanted to be one anyway.

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Revelation34 posted...

Smarkil posted...

Revelation34 posted...

It was straight murder. There's also non cop ones like Zimmerman.

Thank you for your opinion but it appears the jury does not agree with you.

And Zimmerman has absolutely nothing to do with the police. I don't even know why you're bringing him up.

He was pretending to be a cop and wanted to be one anyway.

that doesnt make him a cop, though.

like the fuck dude
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Far-Queue posted...

For someone seeking employment, or to be accepted to university, or just trying to avoid being harassed by the police, its not so simple.

Yes, ALL people should be treated equally, but disproportionately, minorities are at a disadvantage

Fuck right off with that shit.

Minorities get priority in both university AND employment in the form of forced quotas and minorities aren't bothered disproportionately relative to crimes they statistically commit. If anything there's racism toward the majority as demonstrated in Hilary's "Everybody who's male and/or white (but not me) is America's enemy!" campaign policy.
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I like how the topic isn't about Eminem anymore.
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KStateKing17 posted...

I like how the topic isn't about Eminem anymore.

I like how you disappeared when I rekt you.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

KStateKing17 posted...

I like how the topic isn't about Eminem anymore.

I like how you disappeared when I rekt you.

Lol. I'm on mobile, I'm not about to try to pick apart and quote that mess. You also didn't really make any points either. Lifetime is something very heavily promoted to women, Logo is a channel that produces gay friendly programing that's been around for awhile because a lot of people can't seem to stomach homosexual relationships. BET also has other channels (at least one other) that doesn't revolve around music. There's a variety of programming that includes movies, rap, hip-hop, RnB, sitcoms, etc. You obviously don't even watch it, so to claim it's programming is damaging when you don't even know what's feature shows how clueless you are.
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helIy posted...

Unfernal_Server posted...

Melon_Master posted...

Unfernal_Server posted...

Zeus posted...

Well, how much of a history does he have when it comes to politics? The fact that it's opportunistic is undeniable, and it's fairly safe to assume that he wants to put distance between himself and white movements which minority groups view as being hostile. However, more generally, he's playing *to* his audience rather than against it, which automatically makes any alleged sincerity seem a bit weaker.

He's an american, politics affect everyone. You're not giving any reasons for why it's opportunistic. You're not giving anything that backs up your claims, you're literally just stating your opinion and saying it's undeniable and safe to assume. This is why virtue-signal claims are stupid, it's always just "well he's stating something that a lot of people agree with, therefore he's just doing it to get their support". Hmm, maybe he's saying something because it's what he thinks, plain and simple, it isn't always deeper than that.

Zeus is just going to try and change the subject on you now.

Yeah... That would be pretty much par for the course..

Or ignore you, then come back a couple days later and respond with the hopes you forgot all about the topic and don't see it

lol, my man goes by @Zeus but he's more like Sisyphus
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KStateKing17 posted...

Logo is a channel that produces gay friendly programing that's been around for awhile because a lot of people can't seem to stomach homosexual relationships.

lol
KStateKing17 posted...

BET also has other channels (at least one other) that doesn't revolve around music. There's a variety of programming that includes movies, rap, hip-hop, RnB, sitcoms, etc. You obviously don't even watch it, so to claim it's programming is damaging when you don't even know what's feature shows how clueless you are.

Do tell me, what is it you think is "black" programming, hm? Unless you can actually tell me what is supposed to appeal to black people who, by your own admission, have no culture outside American (which the rest of America shares), inherently whatever's shown is appealing to stereotypes which are damaging.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

KStateKing17 posted...

Logo is a channel that produces gay friendly programing that's been around for awhile because a lot of people can't seem to stomach homosexual relationships.

lol
KStateKing17 posted...

BET also has other channels (at least one other) that doesn't revolve around music. There's a variety of programming that includes movies, rap, hip-hop, RnB, sitcoms, etc. You obviously don't even watch it, so to claim it's programming is damaging when you don't even know what's feature shows how clueless you are.

Do tell me, what is it you think is "black" programming, hm? Unless you can actually tell me what is supposed to appeal to black people who, by your own admission, have no culture outside American (which the rest of America shares), inherently whatever's shown is appealing to stereotypes which are damaging.

Oh of course ^_^ It started of as a brand to showcase black talent, as they had very limited exposure, example being MTV. From sitcoms, to Jazz music, and just news in the black community, BET provided that outlet and that voice for a group of citizens who despite being in the country since its birth, had developed it's own subculture due to years of segregation and limited opportunity.

The name could also be related to the black/afro American music genre that had existed for the sake of keeping black artists from any genre on their own section of the radio. Jazz and Blues had been something that had become related to black musicians, so you still see a lot of it incorporated into hip hop and RnB today. With disco going out by the late 70's early 80's, rock had changed and reached a new level of popularity, and that sound that appealed to black audiences and fans of the style of music did not have a mainstream outlet to enjoy it. BET was created to fill that void, and provided the entertainment they were looking for.

While programming and content has definitely over the past 30+ years, BET was one of the few, if not only channel for a while that promoted these artists and actors. Despite the name there has definitely been many diverse talents featured on it'schannel and award shows, Eminem, Timberlake, Bieber, DJ Khaled (the host of the awards show this topic is about), and many others.

Is there anything else you'd like to know?

Anything specifically pertaining to the channel, Eminem, or anything related to the actual topic?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Far-Queue posted...

For someone seeking employment, or to be accepted to university, or just trying to avoid being harassed by the police, its not so simple.

Yes, ALL people should be treated equally, but disproportionately, minorities are at a disadvantage

Fuck right off with that shit.

Minorities get priority in both university AND employment in the form of forced quotas and minorities aren't bothered disproportionately relative to crimes they statistically commit. If anything there's racism toward the majority as demonstrated in Hilary's "Everybody who's male and/or white (but not me) is America's enemy!" campaign policy.

Right, as was pointed out in other posts, the solution isnt perfect, but doing nothing is unacceptable. Until something better comes along, it is what it is.
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So we're either for Trump or a guy who had taken a shot at homosexuals?
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Far-Queue posted...

the solution isnt perfect, but doing nothing is unacceptable.

The solution isn't actually a solution, it's causing insufficiently trained people to take jobs not suited to them and fucking it up and trained potential employees being stuck on the dole. All of this is to appease people crying discrimination when now we actually have evidence that when "fair" employment is forced, there is insufficient skilled employees.

Doing nothing to fix this issue is destroying the economy to please SJWs who're never pleased. It's unacceptable, even outright negligent.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Far-Queue posted...

the solution isnt perfect, but doing nothing is unacceptable.

The solution isn't actually a solution, it's causing insufficiently trained people to take jobs not suited to them and fucking it up and trained potential employees being stuck on the dole. All of this is to appease people crying discrimination when now we actually have evidence that when "fair" employment is forced, there is insufficient skilled employees.

Doing nothing to fix this issue is destroying the economy to please SJWs who're never pleased. It's unacceptable, even outright negligent.

Spoken like someone who is privileged enough not to have experienced any adversity due to racial discrimination.

It is a solution, and the notion that unqualified people are given jobs over more qualified people based on skin color alone, while it may happen, is not as pervasive as youd believe.

Its not like theyre hiring fast food workers with no credentials to be employed as EMTs just to fill a quota. Those people still have to be certified EMTs to get hired. So you can stuff it with that paranoid The coloreds are taking our jobs and ruining our country! bullshit.
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There it is again with the "privilege" nonsense. The whole thing's nothing but shorthand for "your point doesn't count, I win", like a god damn toddler refusing to play fair. Have you ever experienced prejudice? 'Cause it seems like the people who whine about "privilege" are just as ignorant about prejudice, if not more so, than the people they're trying to argue with. Hell, from what I've witnessed, quite a few of these people are "privileged" whites themselves, and people of color, even the lower-classed ones, don't appreciate those people speaking for them.

And it doesn't matter if the issue of underqualified people getting jobs over more skilled people because of their ethnicity isn't overly pervasive. If it happens at all, that's an issue. Not just because the skilled people are being discriminated against, but because we don't want unskilled hires to fail at their jobs. Nobody's arguing "they took our jerbs!", this is a serious issue that could lead to societal collapse if not handled properly. Would you like a surgeon who got in because of Affirmative Action to operate on you? She knows a lot less about the human body than about 10 other potential hires, but it's okay, she's a black lesbian. That makes all the difference.

Yamato_san posted...

There it is again with the "privilege" nonsense. The whole thing's nothing but shorthand for "your point doesn't count, I win", like a god damn toddler refusing to play fair. Have you ever experienced prejudice? 'Cause it seems like the people who whine about "privilege" are just as ignorant about prejudice, if not more so, than the people they're trying to argue with. Hell, from what I've witnessed, quite a few of these people are "privileged" whites themselves, and people of color, even the lower-classed ones, don't appreciate those people speaking for them.

And it doesn't matter if the issue of underqualified people getting jobs over more skilled people because of their ethnicity isn't overly pervasive. If it happens at all, that's an issue. Not just because the skilled people are being discriminated against, but because we don't want unskilled hires to fail at their jobs. Nobody's arguing "they took our jerbs!", this is a serious issue that could lead to societal collapse if not handled properly. Would you like a surgeon who got in because of Affirmative Action to operate on you? She knows a lot less about the human body than about 10 other potential hires, but it's okay, she's a black lesbian. That makes all the difference.

Uh, you seem to be the one whining about privilege there, buddy. The other dude just pointed out that Kyuubi is exhibiting viewpoints indicative of someone who embodies white privilege. You then pitched a fit over it. I'd say the "whining" is all you.
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No, it was clearly an attempt at discrediting Kyuubi, as if Far-Queue's any more experienced on the matter.

helIy posted...

Zeus posted...

Everything in the song is true

helIy posted...

My mother started screamin', "What are you on, drugs??
Look at you, you're gettin' blood all over my rug!" (Stop!)
She beat me over the head with the remote control,
Opened a hole and my whole brain fell out of my skull.
I picked it up and screamed, "Look b****, what have you done?"

sure it was.

i suppose you aren't going to mention the fact that the guy he said did it, sued him for defamation and it was thrown out because, and this is from the judge herself btw,

Mr. Bailey complains that his rap is trash
so he's seeking compensation in the form of cash.
Bailey thinks he's entitled to some monetary gain
because Eminem used his name in vain.
The lyrics are stories no one would take as fact
they're an exaggeration of a childish act.

so you apparently know better than a judge who actually presided over the court case about that.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/judge-drops-eminem-rap-20031020

can't wait for you to ignore this, because it directly translates to: the song is made up of made up events and you would have to be incredibly not smart to think otherwise

so there you are.

#rekt
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Far-Queue posted...

Spoken like someone who is privileged enough not to have experienced any adversity due to racial discrimination.

I experience a lot of racial discrimination as a white male which is making me somewhat bitter.

Far-Queue posted...

It is a solution, and the notion that unqualified people are given jobs over more qualified people based on skin color alone, while it may happen, is not as pervasive as youd believe.

Its not like theyre hiring fast food workers with no credentials to be employed as EMTs just to fill a quota. Those people still have to be certified EMTs to get hired. So you can stuff it with that paranoid The coloreds are taking our jobs and ruining our country! bullshit.

A music major got hired as chief security officer and compromised the entire company.
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lol @ you experiencing racial discrimination... suuuuure

And a white reality TV show host got hired as president of the US. Whats your point? Bad hires happen, doesnt necessarily mean it was based on skin color. Couldve just been a bad hire.
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Far-Queue posted...

lol @ you experiencing racial discrimination... suuuuure

And a white reality TV show host got hired as president of the US. Whats your point? Bad hires happen, doesnt necessarily mean it was based on skin color. Couldve just been a bad hire.

The President doesn't require qualification and a lot of people actually chose him, a skill-based job doesn't get unskilled labour unless it's forced.
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The President requires a shit ton of qualifications. Trump wouldnt have been elected had he not been a supposed businessman, or had a lot of money. Anyone can get up and make promises and grandstand. To run for President you have to go through a battery of pre-qualifiers.

What do you think happens when someone gets hired at a Walmart or whatever? Someone chooses that person to be hired.

Not sure where youre going with these weak points of yours.
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Far-Queue posted...

The President requires a shit ton of qualifications. Trump wouldnt have been elected had he not been a supposed businessman, or had a lot of money. Anyone can get up and make promises and grandstand. To run for President you have to go through a battery of pre-qualifiers.

It was a corrupt politician vs a tv personality, literally anybody could run for president and have a decent shot.

Far-Queue posted...

What do you think happens when someone gets hired at a Walmart or whatever? Someone chooses that person to be hired.

What do you think happens when someone gets hired at a hospital as a Doctor? You can't get the job without a doctorate, it's a necessary prerequisite that can't be substituted.

You also can't get a job as a chief security officer without being qualified to manage security, yet a woman without said qualification was put in that slot.
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Man, I miss the parts where Zeus talked about Eminem, when he clearly has no idea what the f*** he's talking about and just repeating what other people said about him.

Eminem is a turd. Not because of this, either. He just fucking sucks.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

literally anybody could run for president and have a decent shot

False.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Far-Queue posted...

What do you think happens when someone gets hired at a Walmart or whatever? Someone chooses that person to be hired.

What do you think happens when someone gets hired at a hospital as a Doctor? You can't get the job without a doctorate, it's a necessary prerequisite that can't be substituted.

You were saying that the President being chosen by the people (which isnt even the case with our current president) is somehow different than someone getting hired for a regular job. A person getting hired at a regular job is being chosen by a person for that job. Your point about the doctorate only reinforces what I said about the President requiring qualifications, so thanks for agreeing with me.

You also can't get a job as a chief security officer without being qualified to manage security, yet a woman without said qualification was put in that slot.

Need a source on this, because I dont know what youre referring to. Regardless, as I said, bad hires happen. Doesnt mean she was hired based on skin color or gender.
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shadowsword87 posted...

Man, I miss the parts where Zeus talked about Eminem, when he clearly has no idea what the f*** he's talking about and just repeating what other people said about him.

It's Zeus. Half the reason he posts here it to talk about shit he doesn't know anything about.

Cacciato posted...

shadowsword87 posted...

Man, I miss the parts where Zeus talked about Eminem, when he clearly has no idea what the f*** he's talking about and just repeating what other people said about him.

It's Zeus. Half the reason he posts here it to talk about shit he doesn't know anything about.

I'm still waiting for the topic to die down, so he'll respond just before it purges lol.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

Eminem is a turd. Not because of this, either. He just fucking sucks.

He isn't the greatest now but you're just being ignorant if you say he wasn't one of the greatest ever in the early to mid 2000s.